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MSNBCW Alex July 3, 2024

President of the United States that was just smacked down by a judge in new york, to the historic chaos unfolding in the House Of Representatives, where Kevin Mccarthy was just ousted as Speaker Of The House. And we are going to get to all of that this evening but to understand how we got here, we need to go back exactly 1000 days ago. To january 6th, 2021, when a violent mob stormed the u. S. Capitol. In the wake of that deadly attack, minority leader Kevin Mccarthy took to the house floor and said this. The president bears responsibility for wednesdays attack on congress by mob rioters. He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. That moment was the closest Kevin Mccarthy ever came to pulling himself out from under the heel of his partys hard right base. It did not last long. After that rebuke of donald trump, mr. Mccarthy spent each and every day paying penance, trying to work his way back into the good graces of the farright. Less than three weeks later, mccarthy flew down to maralago to Pledge Fealty to donald trump. Later that year, mccarthy refused to work with democrats to establish a nonpartisan commission to investigate the events of january 6th. When democrats went ahead with what became the january 6th committee, mccarthy did everything in his power to discredit that investigation. When republicansnarrow midterm victory headed them an equally narrow majority in the house, mccarthy was still working off his debt to the maga base. After 14 bruising failed votes for speaker, he effectively sold his speakership to the maga caucus. He gave conservative House Freedom caucus members coveted committee assignments. He opened a wide raging investigation into the socalled weaponization of the federal government. And he gave farright republicans the ability to oust him from the speakership, with just a Single Member needed to call that vote. Even after all of that, farright republicans still wanted more. And Speaker Mccarthy obliged. He started a standoff with the white house over the debt ceiling. He opened an Impeachment Inquiry into president biden. He passed an Ultraconservative Bill to fund the government, which included massive cuts to social safety net programs. But none of it was enough. And it all came to a head today when speaker Kevin Mccarthy learned a lesson he probably could have learned 1000 days ago. You cannot appease the mob. This was the moment today when Kevin Mccarthy officially lost his speakership. The yays are 216. The nays are 210. The resolution is adopted, without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. The office of Speaker Of The House of the United States House Of Representatives is hereby declared vacant. Today, these eight republicans voted with all of the democrats in the house to remove mccarthy from power, to end his speakership. In a lastditch effort to save mccarthy, his allies made overt appeals to democrats to bail him out. They asked democrats to vote with republicans to keep mccarthy in power. But democrats in the house had already learned, over the last thousand days, they could not trust Kevin Mccarthy. Kevin mccarthy had either ignore them entirely, or sold them out again and again, just this week, after democrats helped mccarthy avert a disastrous Government Shutdown, mccarthy went on television and try to blame democrats for the dysfunction. I wasnt sure it was gonna, pasadena want to know why . Because the democrats tried to do everything they can not to let it pass. Democrats were the one who voted for this. And republicans to keep the continuing resolution a life . That moment was reportedly foremost in democrats minds when they voted in lockstep against Kevin Mccarthy today. He had his chance to earn their trust, and he blew it. Tonight, Congressman Mccarthy announced that he is officially giving up. He will not run for speaker again. I believe i can continue to fight, maybe in a different manner. I will not run for speaker again. I will have the Conference Pick somebody else. House republicans are now in the wilderness. Uncharted territory. For now, congressman Patrick Mchenry will serve as interim speaker. He says he aims to hold an election for the new speaker next wednesday. On that note, republican congressman, troy nehls, has already nominated donald trump to be the speaker. And you can do that, because the speaker does not have to be a member of the house. Does he have to be in Good Standing with the law . Just asking, because today, a new york judge had to place a Gag Order On Donald Trump for lies he has been spreading about Court Officials working his trial. But when trump was asked about the man he used to refer to as my kevin, trump imposed a gag order on himself. He had nothing to say. So, just who gets to be the next Speaker Of The House . Very much an open question. Maybe gonna take a few rounds of voting. Or maybe more than a few rounds. As he was leaving the capitol tonight, republican congressman, dusty johnson, summed up his partys predicament, saying, you really have to wonder whether or not the house is governable at all. Im not sure i wish this job on anyone. Joining me now, jennifer palmieri, cohost and Executive Producer of the circus. And former Communications Director under president. David plouffe, also the involvement station. And brayden buck, former aide to Republican House speaker, paul ryan and john boehner. It is great to have all of you guys to talk about this historic moment. And historic not really in a good way. David, how are you thinking about what happened here today . Well, i thought the last comment was probably the most important, going forward. Im not sure its a job worth having. Someone will take it, someone will be elected. They will make a bunch of commitments and promises to try to appease the right. Like mccarthy, they will not be successful. So, i think it sets up chaos and turbulence and potentially damage the economy. In the not too distant future. So, you know, i think if youre an american, this is a pretty unsettling, if predictable, turn of events. At the end of the daynancy pelosi was able to manage quite fine with a majority this narrow. But im not sure that anybody who comes in the aftermath of mccarthy has any chance of landing the airplane. In a way thats going to, i, think benefit both Republican Party but certainly america more broadly. Jen, it really bears mentioning, pelosi was speaker with very similar margins, and it looked nothing like this chaos. What did you make of democratsposition here, absolutely not trying to help Kevin Mccarthy in any way . I talked to a lot of democrats today on the hill. I spent all day on the hill, alex, remember how that was. Oh, i sure do. Your circus days. A lot of people sending that regards to you. But i talked to a lot of house democrats, a lot of moderate democrats, and i think, particularly the moderate democrats, they thought really long and hard about whether they should throw Kevin Mccarthy a lifeline. I think had they thought that they were dealing with somebody, a man of integrity, that this was something that would actually, that a Continued Speakership Under Mccarthy might help avert chaos. People might have considered doing that. But they were really convinced that he was not a man of their word. He was someone that had misled both republicans and democrats. And i talked to congressman elissa slotkin, the hair having a mini civil war in their caucus, and they need to sort that out. I also talked to two of the members of congress, nancy mace and congressman tim burchett from tennessee. Both of whom voted to oust mccarthy. Both, sort of a surprise, that not both of those two voted 15 times to make Kevin Mccarthy speaker in january, right . I think, in both cases, they felt that mccarthy, in addition to not governing Congressman Burchett worried about government spending. He had personally slighted both of them. He mocked Congressman Burchett, he thought is gonna pray about whether he should vote for mccarthy as speaker. Nancy mace felt misled, vertically on some of the abortion policies that she expected to be dealt with in the house that werent. It was a lot of bad faith across the board. That, in addition to the maga wing trying to control him, that brought him to this point. Jen, just a followup on that. The way in which this was very deeply personal for those who voted to oust him, there was reporting that interview that Kevin Mccarthy did on sunday with Margaret Brennan on cbs, was played to the Democratic Caucus before they made their votes. Really, just to drive a knife in his speakership, to show democrats just what a turncoat Kevin Mccarthy was. Did you hear that from democrats . Moderates who might otherwise been inclined to support Kevin Mccarthy, as he continued to hold on to the gavel . Yeah. Full stop. Yes i did. Full stop. It seemed this ran at the beginning of the house Democratic Caucus. It had the intended effect. But i think that, democrats have been wrestling this with us for a while this question how theyre gonna deal with. It i think they really thought, it this is not a partisan decision. It wasnt like, oh, great we want to see chaos at the side. I think they really thought, we cant trust this man. We cant give him our vote. Certainly, with no kinds of assurances. Theyre just gonna have to work it out on their own. Yes, it puts you in a dangerous situation that plouffe described. But, you know, republicans have to be the ones to figured out. But, dot, dot, but what . What is the issue here . Lets talk for second about nancy mace. Who is upset, for personal reasons, for policy reasons. But is not someone who necessarily wanted the speaker to be more extreme on certain social programs like, for example, abortion. Yet, the person shes going to end up with is likely to be more hard right than Kevin Mccarthy. Is that not correct . Certainly. I dont if theyre further to the right, but theyre at least gonna have the backing of matt gaetz. Every one of those folks who kicked out Kevin Mccarthy today know that they can now do that to the next person. Whoever is speaker is gonna have to look over the shoulder even more than folks in the past. This does not get any better. What dusty johnson said is absolutely right. We are not, right now, fit for governing. We are party much more made for being in the minority. We like to vote against things. My whole issue in all of these folks, their problem is not really with the Speaker Of The House. It wasnt with me with Kevin Mccarthy. It wasnt with paul ryan or john boehner. These are the guys that dont like the realities of governing. There are some things you have to do when youre in the majority, like keep the government open. Like raise the debt limit. Like fund the government for the long term. Deal with democrats. Basic things like that. Those are fireable offenses. It doesnt make any sense. They set a bar that he can never meet. The next person is going to have to meet that same bar as well. Its the problem being speaker these days, you are basically running around, trying to make the fantasies of some of these members become realities. When thats the game, you can never win. I understand, maybe the idea that he should stand up to them more. Fight back. All that stuff that you talked about in the open, was enough to save mccarthy. But it was required to get to this point. Thats the reality of being a republican speaker right now. You have to do so many things or they will throw you out. It works really well for them, in their own political world. David, in this bizarre world in which we all, unfortunately live, some days i would say unfortunately. Matt gaetz is incredibly powerful. And is a person is gonna play a role, as brendan says, in picking the next speaker. If youre joe biden, looking at all of this unfold, what is your assessment of the situation . As it concerns your own priorities . Yeah, what a frightening fact that it is that matt gaetz is one of the most powerful people in one of the most powerful, the most powerful city in the world. Well, listen, joe biden, almost every Senate Democrat had a lot of republicans, wants to keep the government open. So, thats a complicating factor, thats gotten harder. Obviously, the list of legislation is gonna get dealt between now and next november is infinitesimal. Beyond, that i dont think you can expect much. Im not im sure biden will find ways to lift this up on the campaign trail. Which is, if you give donald trump and matt gaetz for control from the policy standpoint, from a Leadership Standpoint or a moral standpoint. You know, its devastating. So, i think this dysfunction, i dont want to overstate it, because swing voters in arizona, wisconsin, pennsylvania, president ial race, dont pay that much attention to congress. But to the extent that trump circus looks like its on steroids now. And the entire party is gonna follow him where its not about, to brendans point, about governing. Its about theater in performance, but listen, i dont see how the government is going to stay open in 40, 3 42 days, whatever it is. Because i think the leash just got a lot shorter. The least was already three inches. Now, its almost completely nonexistent. So, at the end of the day, its gonna make the next 45 days harder. But i do think, having all of that dysfunction as a backdrop for the president ial race, clearly, if donald trump is the nominee, one of joe bidens Core Arguments is going to be, you dont want to return to the circus. Its a supporting fact. A supporting fact. Okay, jen palmieri, david plouffe, brendab buck. We have a lot more ahead. Please stay with me. Including the eight republicans who voted yes on making David Mccarthy the first speaker ousted from the House Of Representatives. It turns, out those eight republicans all have one big thing in common. After that, what happens when donald trump gets a gag order . Harp, stabbing pains. This painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks. A pain so intense, you could miss out on family time. The virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. If youre 50 years or older, ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles. To finally lose 80 pounds and keep it off with golo if youris amazing. 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Not just out of fear about what the party might do as retribution, but also, at a fear of how their constituents might respond. And, okay, most republicans did not actually vote to oust Kevin Mccarthy today. But eight of them very much did. And if you look at how all eight of those republicans did in the 2022 midterms, youre gonna notice a pattern. They were all elected with incredibly safe margins of victory. In other words, they are not too worried about getting reelected. Compare that to say, Lauren Boebert. He

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