This unusual day in the House Of Representatives. We will figure out a way to talk about this too, with congressman james clyburn, who had every right in the world to think he had seen it all until today. Nobody has seen it all, apparently, with this House Republican conference. Unusual is one word for it, my friend. One word for it. Thank you, alex. Have a great show. Matt gaetz, the 42yearold republican congressman who overthrew the speaker of the house today, had not been born yet when republican Ronald Reagan began running against government. Ronald reagan was the first republican president to be rhetorically and only rhetorically Anti Government. The last republican president , elected before reagan, richard knutson, was a very conservative republican. But he believed in the governments capacity to solve problems. Nixon willingly signed the legislation creating the Environmental Protection agency. Richard nixon pushed a Health Care Bill in congress that was structurally similar to the bill president nixon would try to an act, and president obama the republican president before Richard Nixon knew that government was a force for good, in this world, when he served as the european commander of the United States forces in world war ii. When general Dwight Eisenhower became president eisenhower, he supported all of the relatively new social service programs, including social security, that were advanced by a democratic president Franklin Delano roosevelt, and legislated by democratic congresses. President eisenhower created the interstate highway system, the single biggest federal Infrastructure Program the country had ever seen. So Ronald Reagans Anti Government rhetoric was actually out of sync with his republican predecessors in the presidency. But president reagan never followed through on his rhetoric, because he never meant it. He campaigned on cuts to Government Spending that he then never enacted. He campaigned against taxes, even though in his service as the governor of california and president of the United States, he raised taxes as well as cut taxes. Ronald reagan told his lies about a Government Back in the day when no one in washington thought they were lies. They called that stuff spin, but the young republicans listening to Ronald Reagan in those days were too young to know that reagan didnt mean what he was saying. And now, many of those republicans or in the House Of Representatives and even younger republicans, who never heard Ronald Reagan speak, are among the most energetic traffickers in rhetoric. It expresses uncontrollable hatred of government. The american government. Including parts of the government that were one of reagans favorites, like the fbi. Republicans and only republicans in Congress Want to abolish the fbi. They say they want to destroy everything in government. They say the only reason to preserve the Justice Department in any form is to use it to prosecute republicans political opponents, and no one else. And when they say that, they are echoing the leading republican president ial candidate who is openly campaigning for the presidency, simply so he can use the presidency for his own personal purposes. That is the kind of madness Kevin Mccarthy was trying to preside over in the House Of Representatives. Until today. When just one member of the Republican Party filed a motion for a vote on removing Kevin Mccarthy from the speakership. The motion is called a motion to vacate the chair. 210 republicans voted to keep Kevin Mccarthy in his job. Eight republicans voted to remove him. And in republican world, eight republicans beats 210. Which is, in its way, Poetic Justice for a party that believes in minority control of government. And so for the first time in history, a speaker was removed by a motion to vacate. And then, Kevin Mccarthy said this. Unfortunately, 4 of our conference can join all the democrats and dictate who can be the republican speaker in this house. I dont think that rule is good for the institution, but apparently im the only one. I believe i can continue to fight, maybe in a different way. I will not run for speaker again, ill have the Conference Pick somebody else. The house is now closed for business, for a week. Republicans are expected to try to elect a speaker on wednesday of next week. Here is a sample of the last words america heard from republicans in congress, before they shut down the House Of Representatives for at least a week. Theres a second group. A small group, honestly theyre willing to plunge this body into chaos and this country into uncertainty for reasons that only they really understand. This republican majority has exceeded all expectations. It is astonishing to hear any colleague give Speaker Mccarthy credit. Voting is at the least a disruptive overreaction. In reality, its selfish. Bad for a conservative policies. The Incentive Structure in this town is completely broken. We no longer value loyalty, integrity, competence or collaboration. Oh, look at that. Oh, look. Give me money, i filed a motion to vacate. Using official actions, official actions, to raise money. Its disgusting. Disgusting. Leading off our discussion tonight is democratic representative james clyburn, of south carolina, he served as the Majority Whip under House Speaker nancy pelosi. Hes now the assistant democratic leader in the house. Thank you very much for joining us on this historic night, congressman clyburn. As i said to alex wagner, you had a right to believe that you had seen everything in the House Of Representatives, until today. Well, thank you very much for having me, lawrence. Youre right. I thought i had seen it all. And i thought that id read about stuff way back yonder that we never see again. I was wrong. History does have a way of repeating itself, and ever since i think it was Joseph Cannon was subjected to this kind of a vote. But even then, the vote did not prevail. Today it did. It looks as if we are now confronted with a conference that is trying to run the entire House Of Representatives, that is divided against itself. And that, as we know from history, it will not prevail. So, we will come back in another week and hopefully they will get their act together. Because they country is looking to us for leadership. The country needs stability around the world. And within our borders. And we ought to be providing it in a bipartisan way. The democrats demonstrated last saturday, when we had the vote, that was mccarthys bill that he put on the floor. It was not our bill. Because ukraine in it in the we voted for, in a bipartisan way, more democrats than republicans, yet rather than accept that as a good gesture on the part of democrats, as having done something in a bipartisan way, he went on the sunday shows the next morning and started calling democrats out for trying to force a shutdown of the government. You go figure. How could you do that . And then stop this morning. He doubled down and says, i will not deal with the democrats. Im going to go to the floor, take my chances, with only republicans. And he saw for one hour A House Divided against itself, the republican conference, the entire debate was between their factions. And we democrats, like the rest of the country, looked in on it, disappointed by it. Now forced to live with it. Congressman, a week ago, the question was, would republicans shut down the government . It turns out, what they were going to shut down was the House Of Representatives, which is now shut down for at least a week and, in effect, for as long as it takes to get to the next speaker, however many votes that might be. Thats correct. I would hope that they would come forward with someone who can work in a bipartisan way to get things done for the American People. Next in line, of course, is steve scalise. He has a very good reputation in the house. He is someone that i worked with at the coronavirus select subcommittee. And i have known him for a long time. He seems to have the demeanor that is necessary to bring people together. The chair of the Rules Committee from oklahoma did a great job today. So, there are people on the side of the aisle that, i think, the public will be comfortable with. And i think democrats could be comfortable with. But we will see what they will do. They seem to be more interested in making headlines than making headway. In the past, i used to think someone like tom cole, he just mentioned, chairman of the Rules Committee, could be a fairly effective republican speaker. But that was before donald trump, where Congressman Cole has been a complete supporter of donald trump. Isnt it the case now that if a republican speaker works with the democrats in any way, there are eight republicans on the house floor who will immediately vote to remove that republican speaker . That may be the case. I have a Good Alternative for that. The name happens to be Hakeem Jeffries. He is someone who has demonstrated in the last several weeks, in fact, ever since january, when we put his name up. The American People have been looking at him and the way he has run the democratic caucus, and a bipartisan speaker, let those eight join with us on the democratic side. And lets give Hakeem Jeffries the 218 votes he will need to be speaker of the house. I am saying that. I know full well that is just as far fetched as almost anything i could think of. But if those eight people cannot work with their own, maybe they will work with us. Or there could be eight others somewhere over there on the republican side who no longer want to try to do this in this never before seen version of governing. You cant even call a governing, what these republicans are trying to do. You have worked with speakers before and you have seen them, congressional leaders, up close for many decades now. How would you describe how Hakeem Jeffries handled guiding the democrats in the house through this crisis, this, today. Masterfully. He did it in a very masterful way. Hakeem jeffries listens. And when you listen, you can develop a good response. And i watched him in our leadership meetings. He goes around the table and listens to everybody and tries to find a common narrative coming out of their comments and the questions they raise, and then set forth a process that everyone has been buying into. And that is why you have seen our caucus functioning the way it has. Because Hakeem Jeffries has demonstrated that he will put the people of this country above the politics of the party. Nobody is more diverse in political thought than the democratic caucus. My goodness. We have various thoughts that must be reconciled. And Hakeem Jeffries has demonstrated that he knows how to reconcile differences and how to find common ground, how to keep the country moving forward. Because we all know we are not a perfect country. We are in search of perfection. And that is what he is masterful at. And i think he is going to make an outstanding speaker, if not within the next several weeks and certainly within the next several months. The bipartisan action net was taken this weekend in the house. It extends Government Funding for 45 days starting saturday. Those 45 days are going to pass very quickly with this Leadership Crisis in front of us. That challenge will be the next speakers very first challenge, with that deadline for another possible Government Shutdown deadline looming. Yes, it will be. And i would hope that we would take this week and then go back into our districts and everybody will talk to their constituents. Because i can tell them what they are going to find. They are going to find people who want to see the democrats and republicans working together. I would say that if we can put together not just the appropriations bills, but take a hard look at the issue that is really a problem for us. And that is immigration. Look at the other issue. Voting. Voting rights, i think, are at the basic of what it takes to build a strong democracy. And we know that that has been imperiled here of late. So, if we can do voting, immigration, and the appropriation bills, i do believe a speaker that can get us to that point will capture the imagination of the American People and well make a country that will move together move forward together. Congressman james clyburn, thank you very much for joining us tonight on this historic night in the House Of Representatives. Thank you very much for having me. Thank you. Coming up, a new york judge issued a gag order on donald trump today. Finally. That is next. Y. That is next brain. So i choose new neuriva ultra. Unlike some others, it supports 7 brain health indicators, including Mental Alertness from one serving. To help keep me sharp. Try new neuriva ultra. Think bigger. Mr. Clean magic eraser powers through tough messes. So it makes it look like i spent hours cleaning and you know i didnt. It makes my running shoe look like new. Its amazing wow, it makes it look like. I dont have kids at all. 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