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MSNBCW Jose July 3, 2024

Well talk about the Significant Developments with california senator alex padilla. In new york city, former President Trump is back in court for day three of the Civil Fraud Trial against him. Why the judge has ordered a gag order on trump. And the largest Healthcare Workers strike in history is now under way. At least 75,000 Caser Workers hit the picket line. And we begin with what comes next for the house after the historic ouster of speaker Kevin Mccarthy. Moments ago, House Judiciary Committee chair jim jordan confirmed he is now running to succeed Kevin Mccarthy as speaker. Hes the first person to announce his candidacy. This comes one day after eight House Republicans joined with democrats to remove mccarthy from his post. It is first time in American History a speaker has been removed in such a manner. Nbc news caught up with mccarthy this morning as he arrived at the capitol just moments ago. Mr. Mccarthy, how are you feeling this morning . Great well, one of mccarthys top allies, North Carolina congressman Patrick Mchenry is stepping in as temporary speaker while republicans search for a successor. Republicans say there will be a speaker Candidate Forum next tuesday followed by an election on wednesday to choose who the party will put forward as speaker On The House Floor. After that happens, the full house will vote for a new speaker. With us now to take a closer look at all of this, nbc news chief political analyst chuck todd, and nbc news capitol hill Correspondent Ali Vitali and geoff bennett, msnbc political contributor. Ali who are some of the other people who could potentially be in the running for Kevin Mccarthys old job . Youre right, jose, to say that congressman jim jordan, the chairman of the judiciary committee, is the first person to officially publicly put his name in the ring, but my colleague scott wong and i heard as early as last night that the number two House Republican, steve scalise, the person who many believe to be next in line for this job, has also been making calls to lawmakers, trying to shore up support and making some initial inquiries to see what his whip count or count of republicans that would support him might look like. But those are not the only names that were looking at. Of course, you see on the other side of the screen some of the other people who will be paying close attention to. People like congressman tom emmer who is also within former speaker mccarthys current leadership apparatus, congressman garrett graves, a close ally of the former speakers, jim jordan, tom cole, veteran lawmaker on the hill and who during the multiple overtures that people were making of the potential to motion to vacate, many times coles name was mentioned and he said he didnt have interest in that job. Of course, jim jordan said the same thing until mccarthy himself was vacated. Well see if coles opinion on that has changed at all. And then, of course, kevin hearn is also a name we have been hearing a lot from our sources and important to point out the other name on the screen there is the current speaker, Patrick Mchenry, who, of course, was put there by a list that mccarthy had to submit to the parliamentarian. Hes a close ally of the former speakers, that list is meant to show who mccarthy trusted and, of course, mchenry is top of that list, having been with him for multiple rounds of critical negotiations throughout mccarthys short speakership. That list is coming together, calls are starting to be made. In theory well see The Field Take Shape next week. I dont expect this to be a seamless process. And so, chuck, is there a path Going Forward for republicans in the house . Well, i dont know what the path what that even means, which is when you say republicans, are they going to act as one here at all . Look, i have one a couple theories on this of what how to watch the next week. You know, i think the weekend well find out over the weekend how exhausted republicans are from this infighting. Maybe whether there is any movement of the conservatives. My this is one of those situations where if they cant get to consensus quickly, we may be operating in this sort of speakerless world, right, where maybe mchenry keeps this open, they have this temporary world while they try to figure this out, maybe they decide to postpone the speaker fight until after the budget issues are resolved, maybe letting mchenry be the sacrificial lamb to negotiate these things because, look, i think the decision by mccarthy and the mainstream wing of the party to surrender as quickly as they did yesterday after this vote, i think it sends a message to the rest of the conference, youre on your own. So i just dont foresee a situation where anybody who is elected speaker will be somehow stronger than mccarthy. Theyll be weaker. The question is how much weaker. But no matter what theyll be weaker and i think were a month away from watching the house be governed by just charge petition. Apology for using that Crazy Washington phrase. Ill let the hill crew explain that. I wondered, you were talking about what happened yesterday, and how you described that. Is there any other path that the then speaker could have had or reaction . Look, i think that they fave gave up too quickly on the democratic idea. Democrats were going to be a cheap date for mccarthy, but you had to do something, you had to buy popcorn, had to buy something, had to buy a drink, right . And he didnt even offer to do that. I think this is one of those situations where had he been willing to fight for a while, democrats eventually would have bailed him out, and would have he would have been able to forge this partnership, but the fact he surrendered that quickly it is fascinating he threw in the towel as fast as he did. I do think there was an opportunity there, there was no incentive for democrats to come to his aid immediately because gaetz said hell do this every day. So the democrats were going to cast multiple votes to bail mccarthy out. I do Think Mccarthy and his aides misplayed the democrats here. I think they would have been there for him in about three weeks. But he didnt closureclearly ha patience to try that. How did we get to this point . It is a great question. Look, you can track what happened yesterday evening, Kevin Mccarthy being the first House Speaker ever ousted in history by members of his own party, no less, to what transpired more than a decade ago. They demanded government shutdowns, they demanded unworkable spending cuts. Boehner fended them off for a while, but ultimately left. He was succeeded by paul ryan, who took that job reluctantly. Paul ryan found himself fighting many of the same battles and the election of donald trump. And then you have someone like paul ryan who, dont forget, was the partys Vice President ial nominee and he also left congress, left politics altogether. So what you see, jose, over the last two, potentially three decades, is the evolution of the gop. A Conservative Party that once defined conservatism as preserving a traditional sense of steadiness and strength, it has evolved over time to a party, this is made most evident by what is happening in the house gop, a party that elevates the loudest voices in the room. Voices who arent invested necessarily in governing, but in the case of matt gaetz, who are invested in score settling. You have matt gaetz, who has no real legislative accomplishments, he was able to topple his partys leader with no plan for what comes next, no plan for ukraine funding, no plan for getting beyond the next government shutdown, which happens in november. And now youre left with a House Republican conference which appears to be ungovernable. And apart from that, it also, i think, robs the Republican Party and this Election Year of a chance to shine a light on what they perceive to be joe bidens vulnerabilities because right now all were talking about is the extremism within the gop. And it makes it really hard for republicans to hold on to swing seats if theyre going to need to retain their majority in the next election. So, ali, what could potentially happen to matt gaetz as a result of all of this . Well, the word expulsion has been used, perhaps unsurprisingly, jose. We know this from going through the scandals with congressman george santos. You cant vote to expel someone from congress. Thats something they have to do on their own, in most cases. They can expel him from the republican conference. Thats an active conversation. Yesterday, the general tone and tenor of the Text Messages i was getting from republican lawmakers as they sat On The House Floor and watched this unfold, many of them sort of watching through their hands, peeking through the cracks in their hands because they were so aghast at what they were witnessing, they were embarrassed and they were livid and frustrated with people like gaetz who didnt just make this happen by pushing the actual motion to vacate the chair, but also hung this over the former speakers head for the entirety of his short tenure up here on capitol hill. I will say chuck makes a fascinating and correct point, when he says that mccarthy could have done something on the democratic front. Democrats were unified coming out of their caucus meeting yesterday, very strong and pleased with that unity. But i spoke to multiple moderates who said they could have seen political upside back in their Home Districts where they have tough reelection battles with being seen as the people who come together and just help this place work a little bit, fine it means crossing party lines to get a speaker, even from another party, but someone who will not shut the government down and, remember, thats what this is about. Mccarthy being ousted because he chose to keep the government functioning and happened to do that with democratic votes when his own members didnt want to do that. But mccarthy made none of those overtures. Yesterday afternoon we reported that there were some phone calls in the words of one of my sources from republicans begging some democrats to come to their aid. Those calls were too little, too late and none of them were from mccarthy himself. I think chucks right. Maybe if he had done something more, maybe if he had run out the clock, things could have changed because i know from talking to some democrats that they allowed that that was a possibility for them. Chuck, im wondering, a lot of this has the ingredients included in november of 2024. Im wondering, chuck, what role did that play and what role does that play Going Forward . Well, you know, the irony is ill never forget a briefing that we got here at nbc news from Kevin Mccarthys unofficial super pac, that was orchestrating the campaign to try to get the house. And they kept saying, well, we at the time, im speaking as them, we need to have at least 15 to 20 pickups in order to have a governing majority. So ill give Kevin Mccarthy and his team credit. They knew then, right . That if they only had a 4 to 10 seat majority, they were in deep trouble, it was ungovernable. Here we are. Were ungovernable Going Forward. I dont know how it makes it easier for moderate republicans who won Swing Districts in New York State to win. I dont know how this chaos is easier for the moderate republicans in california who narrowly won. Thanks to Kevin Mccarthys financial help in california, how they win here. Look, and then you take away mccarthy, mainstream donters were donors are going to flee. The mainstream republican donors gave Kevin Mccarthy a bunch of money. I dont know if theyll give jim jordan money if he were speaker. I would be shocked. I dont think jim jordan can get to 218 votes. I dont know if theyll be there for steve cleese and wont be there if theyre goal is to shut down the this feels like it is selfreinforcing doom loop that is likely to cost republicans control of the house here. I cannot sit here and paint a scenario barring something on the outside that has nothing do with congressional action, but this is a path to losing total control of the house at some point. Chuck todd, ali vitali and geoff bennett, thank you very much for being with us this morning. Coming up, well hear what voters in mccarthys district have to say about him being forced out as speaker. Plus, reaction to the chaos when we talk live to california senator alex padilla. Well see good to see you. Well chat in a minute. Later, a Mass Shooting overnight injures at least five people at a historically black college in maryland. Were back in 60 seconds. Youre watching jose diazbalart reports on msnbc. S youre watching jose diazbalart reports on msnbc. This is american infrastructure, a prime target for cyberattacks. But the same aipowered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. The chewy app has everything for pets. Hungry pets, itchy pets, scratchy pets, and most importantly, your pet. Every day great prices and 35 off your first authorship order. Right to your door. Download the chewy app. 15 past the hour. The historic downfall of House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy unfolded, there was another historymaking moment on the other side of the capitol. Laphonza butler of california was officially sworn in by Vice President harris to replace the late senator Dianne Feinstein. Senator butler is now the first black openly lgbtq senator. Meanwhile, today, long time senator Dianne Feinstein will lie in state at san franciscos city hall where she once served as mayor. Her funeral is tomorrow, when President Biden is set to speak at a Memorial Event for her. Joining us now is california senator alex padilla. Senator, thank you, always appreciate your time. I want to first get your thoughts on your new colleague, senator butler. Thank you. Good to be with you. What a contrast. What is happening in the house yesterday and the upside of what was happening in the senate literally history in the making. Ive been blessed to know laphonza butler, senator butler now, she first moved to los angeles in 2009, worked with her in a number of capacities. I know shell be phenomenal during her time in the senate. She leads with heart, she is also a strategic thinker and just great to have a partner like her given the challenges and the near term battles that we have, not just in the senate, not just in congress, but facing the country. Lets talk about the house. What do you make of what happened yesterday . Look, this is what happens when republicans are in charge. I think at the last segment you covered the evolution of the socalled conservative Republican Party from the Newt Gingrich era to the boehner experience, to trump obviously, and now. They are anarchists, republicans eating their own. What they want to play political games on who the next speaker ought to be. The real consequence here is what is happening to the people of the United States. Americans deserve better, americans expect better. We are narrowly averted this government shutdown. And maybe thats what their motive is, if they werent able to shut down the government in their entirety, theyre shutting down the House Of Representatives, we still have to face the realities of ukraine. They need of our assistance. The 45day continuing resolution on the spending plan, were almost a week into it and were going backwards, no negotiations are happening because there is no leader among House Republicans. So, we have a lot of work cut out for us. I want to get your thoughts on what is going on in our country, the humanitarian crisis, it is focused on men, women and children, who have made the most incredible sacrifices to leave their country, and come to the United States with a dream of requesting asylum. There were hundreds of thousands of encounters along the u. S. Southern border in august. Tens of thousands more on the way. How do, senator, you deal with this reality of people doing anything and everything they can to have a new life in the United States . Yeah, The First Step Is ive been doing this, my colleagues appreciate the various elements of an immigration conversation. There are people who do not flee their homes and their home countries by choice. They flee because they have to. Maybe it is because of natural disaster, maybe it is because of violence and fear for their lives, maybe it is because of Public Corruption or oppression, you see so many venezuelans coming and seeking asylum in the United States, it is for a reason. We need to revisit the policy and process. We need to ensure that were investing in border security. It is not just about

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