Team trump to delay and dismiss multiple cases. And the race for the gavel in washington. The house still without a leader, and a potential visitor that could push the chaos even. Further than, the power of young voices and speaking out. Two activists when you live to discuss the importance of participating in our democracy at any age. The 11th hour, just getting underway on this thursday night. Good evening. Once again im stephanie ruhle, live at msnbc headquarters, here in new york city. We begin this evening with new reporting about former President Trump and the way he dealt with Sensitive Information shortly after he left office. The New York Times has new reporting that trump share apparently classified information about American Nuclear submarines with an australian businessman who happened to be at my maralago. Thats according to people familiar with the matter. It comes after the former president s legal team asked the judge in a classified documents case to postpone that trial until after the election. Trumps lawyers are scrambling to delay or throw out completely at least three other cases against him. If legal team is filed motions to dismiss the new york hush money case and the washington d. C. Election interference case. The cover page for the d. C. Motion says the former president is arguing for president ial immunity. But for facts sake, and at this Point A Night to get 1 every time i see that, i would be really rich. President s of the United States do not get immunity for trying to overturn an election. Trumps lawyers know. That you know who else does . Mitch mcconnell. He basically said so after trumps second impeachment. Watch this. President trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office. As an ordinary citizen. Unless the statute of limitations is run, still liable for everything he did while he was in office. Didnt get away with anything, yet. Yet. We have a criminal Justice System in this country. We have civil litigation. And former president s are not immune from being accountable by either one. Meanwhile, it was day four of Donald Trumps new york civil fraud trial, the Trump Organization executive testified under oath in the donald trump himself had the final sign off on financial documents, one statement in evidence included a handwritten note that said, quote, the j t to get final review. That is donald john trump. Trumps legal team is expected to file for a stay pending appeal in that case tomorrow morning. And finally, the judge in georgias rico case has declined to dismiss the charges against sydney powell. This is d. A. Fani willis is seeking the testimony for six out of State Witnesses in the upcoming Trial Of Powell and ganges bro. You know, every time we think about this, case i always think about how big and sprawling it is and what it means here. I think there are good aspects and bad cases aspects, as everything including out of State Conduct is described everyone. Two months especially even these witnesses who will talk about arizona and pennsylvania as well as georgia, she wants that. Did you follow all that . In short, he is trying to throw a delay or cancel everything against him and the d. A. s are basically just saying, id like more witnesses, and more witnesses, and more witnesses. And their judges havent given him anything that he wants, yet, and without lets get smarter with our lead off panel, can baker here, chief White House Correspondent for the New York Times, luke broadwater, pulitzer prizewinning congressional reporter, also the time, and former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman, joins me here at 30 rock. Peter, i turn to you first, because its a rare paper at the New York Times, with this new reporting on Trump Sharing apparently classified information about nuclear submarines. Tell us what we need to know. Right, thats exactly. Right so anthony plaza, australian businessman who joined maralago, i think in 2017, cultivated President Trump like a lot of people did in that area that join maralago in the reporting we have, my colleagues, have is that at some point soon after he left, soon after President Trump left office, then former President Trump of course, shared some information, we dont exactly what, about with this australian businessman and he is listed among 80 different possible witnesses, we are told, the jack smith, Special Counsel could call as part of his classified documents case. These are not necessarily really directly to the documents that he took but it would show an inclination on the part of the former president to feel cavalierly with the nations secrets and i dont know if he will be called in trial but i think its though it goes to a pattern of conduct by donald trump even after he left office. Charles, the times is also reporting that jack smiths team learned about Trump Sharing the secrets. As a gun impact when hes . Doing right now i dont think its gonna have a major impact. The reason for that is, speaking as a former prosecutor, what youre talking about here is one, person if the reporting is what we know it to be right now, who overheard or had a conversation with donald trump where he allegedly said something to him about nuclear secrets, and the problem with that is that its not necessarily a tremendously strong case without any other physical evidence. Remember, donald trump also was allegedly waving around confidential information in front of pentagon officials as well as other reporters, and jack smith doesnt do anything about that. From a legal perspective, unless hes going to charge him with relaying confidential secrets thats the only charge that i could even see this being admissible, most of everything that we are hearing wouldnt even be admissible because of hearsay and the hearsay rule and how Trial Evidence works and so you have a narrow lane with respect to the charge that can be brought, which is relaying, and even to establish that you only have one witness and i dont necessarily mean absent any other tangible or physical evidence jack smith is gonna go forward. Take us to the hill, look. With all the chaos unfolding in congress right now, is donald trump going to get the big Public Defense he normally gets from congressional republicans, or do they have other business to attend to . Yeah, they are mired in their own eternal chaos and fighting right now. That said, i am sure that they will rush to defend donald trump at any turning if asked, and if pressed to do so. In other cases, where prosecutors have taken actions against donald trump, jim jordan, judiciary chair sent letters to those prosecutors has, demanded documents. And he has done the same with merrick garland, with jack smith, you can see him potentially taking some more actions against in the future, trying to intervene on behalf of donald trump, when hes got his own matter at hand, with the speaker himself. It also gets harder and harder to make that argument, well, donald trump is really just sentimental, he likes to keep these things for mementos, hes not. If you follow the last 77 years of his, life he is a transactional guy. And when you find something of value he holds on to it and tries to extract that value and a later date. That is his jam. His other jam, charles, is running the clock. That is his go to. And he is successfully doing so. He is. But now he is moving to delay or dismiss for cases against him, i mean four cases, are you kidding me . No. And i said early on, we are going to get, and we are getting when i predicted, which was an up close front row of view of how the legal system can work, and regional exhaust every legal move or removed or they can to slow things down. With respect to the civil trial in new york, the timing of this new motion is an interesting one, primarily because youre in the middle of a trial in its not unusual for someone who loses Summary Judgment to appeal that judgment. I understand that the defense team was looking to do, some of the argument that theyre likely going to make is the bike carrying this out, by canceling Business Licenses by granting the relief that the Court Ordered is part of the Summary Judgment decision, these things are irreversible or doing irreparable harm with extreme prejudice to donald trump. But secretly what they would like to do is delay the trial. Thats also going to be the subtext to what the motion says, and to anticipate they will file tomorrow. I dont believe this is going to be successful, but, again, its an interesting maneuver, and were going to continue to see different maneuvers and motions to dismiss as we go along, for any reason or for any little thing, unless or until the attorneys who are following these motions begin to get sanctioned more and more by the judges who theyre filing in front. Of lets talk about a different maneuver, peter, because donald trump has been trying to rely on president ial immunity. Hes been saying it for years. It is not going to fly in court and he knows that. Is he doing it for the court of Public Opinion . Because the average person might think, yeah, maybe a president allowed to do that because in many instances president s have different rules than you and me. Yeah. Look, charles would know this, pedal better i think the legal term is throw these beget against the wall, or throw everything a every possible, sand in the gears we possibly can, every possible motion you can think, Of Disqualify the judge, delay the trial, find some way to move from one core to another, find a different venue, this missed it on the basis of anything they can argue theyre gonna try to argue, in part because it does delay the ultimate reckoning. But there is a question here that hasnt really been fully answered by the courts, which is, what is the extent of president ial immunity . The Justice Department has said a couple of different men memos, one during the clinton administration, when theyre in Office President s cannot be charged with a crime. They do not proposed to say that they can be charged with a crime after they leave office. But theres obviously an understanding, at least on a civil society, you cant sue a president for their official actions. What hes trying to say here is the trying to overturn an election he lost, and that he had been told that he had lost, and hold on to power, even though he had lost, constitutes an official action, and thats a really different way of looking at things so well see what the courts say about it. Im not a legal expert, but it does begin to draw lines that will be important, even beyond donald trump, to say what are the rules when it comes to a president and former trans president , where can they be held accountable, and where do they have, in fact, some sort of immunity from prosecution or civil liability . All right, charles, lets go back town to day four of Donald Trumps civil fraud trial. How bad was it for him that theres a handwritten note on a financial document that says lets get final sign off from donald john trump, jt. How can you possibly claim ignorance when theyre all going, we have to talk to the boss . A company with, what, 20 people . This wasnt a giant corporation. The says he has to get final say. On a scale of manageable to not that bad, its terrible. I say that because it undercuts the entire legal theory that his defense team has been trying to advance. He didnt know, the accountants did it the notion of ignorance, particularly because youre in front of a of judge, this is a bench trial. Were not talking about jurors who can in some cases been manipulated by a lawyer who they like, the flash shouldve known better. Theyre not familiar with these. Things youre talking to a judge and the judge is going to not employee the law but also common sense. When youre talking about what this note says in the fact that it required on trumps approval, he no longer has the ground to say i didnt know what was going on in plead ignorance, even though that is not a real viable defense under the law. Luke, the republican front runner is a defendant in multiple cases. Republicans in congress are tearing themselves apart and have no speaker. The staffers you talked to every day on the hill, whats the vibe right now . Really, depressed. People are beside themselves. A band of a few farright republicans cause compete chaos in the house. They think their Party Looks Like it cant govern. Moderate voters are going to leave them in droves, and meanwhile the party is talking about putting donald trump in a speaker and changing the rules so they can allow people charged with felonies to become speaker and all kinds of crazy things. So yeah, theres a lot of the staffers really depressed right now. They feel like the party has gone off the tracks. Theyre trying to get it back on track. Its very tough time for a lot of the staffers on the hill, thats for sure. All right, peter, new topic. Recentlling finds the democrats handling of immigrationis at an alltime low. But heres the thing. Immigration and what is happening border as been a problem for a long long time. Is this just a situation where congress does nothing, so whatever president is in the oval office is going to get blamed for whats happening at the border . Well, look, youre right, it has been a problem for a long time and it has been leveled multiple president s going back years and years. It does seem that there are numbers coming out of the border right now that are particularly bad and the look particularly bad for President Biden. He saw him today doing something that none of us might have expected just a little while ago, which is to say were gonna continue to build some of the wall that president trp nts to build. He says he doesnt want to do, that he doesnt think its effective, because congress appropriated the money and because it wouldnt redirect the money that he has no choices president but to continue to build a wall, but thats gonna raise all sorts of questions and all sorts of conversations. We already hear republicans saying biden is admitting he should build a wall, which is not what he is saying, but in the end hes gonna end up accomplishing some of what President Trump tried to do in office but couldnt, which is to actually extend the barriers on the border that had been basically halted or suspended or stalled under the former president. Thats kind of an irony or paradox that nobody might have expected a few weeks ago. But look, On What Grounds can republicans in Congress AttackPresident Biden for what is happening at the border . They are doing nothing. Congress has done nothing on comprehensive Immigration Reform for years and years. And they are the actual lawmakers. So how can they honestly put all of the blame on the president when theyve got to look in the mirror and say, yo, what have i done . Congress has been at a complete standstill on trying to get real immigration bill. We have seen partisan bills come out of the house, which have no chance of passing the senate, and the senate has nothing moving at all. And there has really been no serious discussions at all between republican and democrats and how to fix the problems of immigration, no real negotiations or compromise. Really a lot of compromising and messaging bills. So you raise a good point, which is, if you havent had a series attempt between the two parties in congress to fix the problems of immigration, then how can you criticize the administration . Just saying. Peter baker, luke broadwater, charles coleman, thank you all for starting us off this. Evening i want to give you a quick update from the state of florida where democratic congressman Jared Moskowitz has a very simple answer to Donald Trumps claims about the value of his Maralago Club in palm beach. Moskowitz sent a Letteto The County property appraiser, pointing out of the county value the property between 18 and 28 million bucks, which is a whole lot different than Donald Trumps claim that it is worth well over a billion dollars. So the congressmans official reques to the county, shouldnt we hikers taxes to reflect what donald trump swears maralago is worth . Its a very good question by the congressman. We cant wait to hear the response. When we come back, donald trump is looming large. The speaker battle on the hill, Jason Johnson and Mark Mckinnon are here to break down who could replace mccarthy and how long the chaos can last. And later, you must be out for this. Talk about inspiration, the power of youth. We want our two Young Leaders about the power of stepping up and speaking out in the massive difference that they are making. The 11th hour, just getting underway on a thursday night. If you are your teenagers playing video game, make sure they watch this instead. 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