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Further, and then, the power of young voices and speaking out. Two activists arrive to discuss the importance of participating in our democracy at any age. The 11th hour, just getting underway on this thursday night. Good evening. Once again im stephanie ruhle, live at msnbc headquarters, here in new york city. We begin this evening with new reporting about former President Trump and the way he dealt with Sensitive Information shortly after he left office. The New York Times has new reporting that trump shared apparently classified information about American Nuclear submarines with an australian businessman who ppened to be at my maralago. Thats according to people familiar with the matter. It comes after the former president s legal team asked the judge in a classified documents case to postpone that trial until after the election. Trumps lawyers are scrambling to delay or throw out completely at least three other cases against him. If legal team is filed motions to dismiss the new york hush money case and the washington d. C. Election interference case. The cover page for the d. C. Motion says the former president is arguing for president ial immunity. But for facts sake, and at this Point A Night to get 1 every time i see that, i would be really rich. President s of the United States do not get immunity for trying to overturn an election. Trumps lawyers know. That you know who else does . Mitch mcconnell. He basically said so after trumps second impeachment. Watch this. President trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office. As an ordinary citizen. Unless the statute of limitations is run, still liable for everything he did while he was in office. Didnt get away with anything, yet. Yet. We have a criminal Justice System in this country. We have civil litigation. And former president s are not immune from being accountable by either one. Meanwhile, it was day four of Donald Trumps new york civil fraud trial, the Trump Organization executive testified under oath that the donald trump himself had the final sign off on financial documents, one statement in evidence included a handwritten note that said, quote, the j t to get final review. That is donald john trump. Trumps legal team is expected to file for a stay pending appeal in that case tomorrow morning. And finally, the judge in georgias rico case has declined to dismiss the charges against sydney powell. This as d. A. Fani willis is seeking the testimony for six out of State Witnesses in the upcoming trial of powell and chesebro. You know, every time we think about this, case i always think about how big and sprawling it is and what it means here. I think there are good aspects and bad cases aspects, as everything including out of State Conduct is ascribed to everyone. Two months especially even these witnesses who will talk about arizona and pennsylvania as well as georgia, she wants that. Did you follow all that . In short, he is trying to throw a delay or cancel everything against him and the d. A. s are basically just saying, id like more witnesses, and more witnesses, and more witnesses. And their judges havent given him anything that he wants, yet, and without lets get smarter with our lead off panel, can baker here, chief White House Correspondent for the New York Times, luke broadwater, pulitzer prizewinning congressional reporter, also the times, and former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman, joins me here at 30 rock. Peter, i turn to you first, because its a rare paper at the New York Times, with this new reporting on Trump Sharing apparently classified information about nuclear submarines. Tell us what we need to know. Right, thats exactly. Right so anthony plaza, australian businessman who joined maralago, i think in 2017, cultivated President Trump like a lot of people did in that area that join maralago in the reporting we have, my colleagues, have is that at some point soon after he left, soon after President Trump left office, then former President Trump of course, shared some information, we dont exactly what, about with this australian businessman and he is listed among 80 different possible witnesses, we are told, the jack smith, Special Counsel could call as part of his classified documents case. These are not necessarily really directly to the documents that he took but it would show an inclination on the part of the former president to feel cavalierly with the nations secrets and i dont know if he will be called in trial but i think its though it goes to a pattern of conduct by donald trump even after he left office. Charles, the times is also reporting that jack smiths team learned about Trump Sharing the secrets. As a gun impact when hes . Doing right now i dont think its gonna have a major impact. The reason for that is, speaking as a former prosecutor, what youre talking about here is one, person if the reporting is what we know it to be right now, who overheard or had a conversation with donald trump where he allegedly said something to him about nuclear secrets, and the problem with that is that its not necessarily a tremendously strong case without any other physical evidence. Remember, donald trump also was allegedly waving around confidential information in front of pentagon officials as well as other reporters, and jack smith doesnt do anything about that. From a legal perspective, unless hes going to charge him with relaying confidential secrets thats the only charge that i could even see this being admissible, most of everything that we are hearing wouldnt even be admissible because of hearsay and the hearsay rule and how Trial Evidence works and so you have a narrow lane with respect to the charge that can be brought, which is relaying, and even to establish that you only have one witness and i dont necessarily mean absent any other tangible or physical evidence jack smith is gonna go forward. Take us to the hill, look. With all the chaos unfolding in congress right now, is donald trump going to get the big Public Defense he normally gets from congressional republicans, or do they have other business to attend to . Yeah, they are mired in their own eternal chaos and fighting right now. That said, i am sure that they will rush to defend donald trump at any turning if asked, and if pressed to do so. In other cases, where prosecutors have taken actions against donald trump, jim jordan, judiciary chair sent letters to those prosecutors has, demanded documents. And he has done the same with merrick garland, with jack smith, you can see him potentially taking some more actions against in the future, trying to intervene on behalf of donald trump, when hes got his own matter at hand, with the speaker himself. It also gets harder and harder to make that argument, well, donald trump is really just sentimental, he likes to keep these things for mementos, hes not. If you follow the last 77 years of his, life he is a transactional guy. And when you find something of value he holds on to it and tries to extract that value and a later date. That is his jam. His other jam, charles, is running the clock. That is his go to. And he is successfully doing so. He is. But now he is moving to delay or dismiss for cases against him, i mean four cases, are you kidding me . No. And i said early on, we are going to get, and we are getting when i predicted, which was an up close front row of view of how the legal system can work, and regional exhaust every legal move or removed or they can to slow things down. With respect to the civil trial in new york, the timing of this new motion is an interesting one, primarily because youre in the middle of a trial in its not unusual for someone who loses Summary Judgment to appeal that judgment. I understand that the defense team was looking to do, some of the argument that theyre likely going to make is the bike carrying this out, by canceling Business Licenses by granting the relief that the Court Ordered is part of the Summary Judgment decision, these things are irreversible or doing irreparable harm with extreme prejudice to donald trump. But secretly what they would like to do is delay the trial. Thats also going to be the subtext to what the motion says, and to anticipate they will file tomorrow. I dont believe this is going to be successful, but, again, its an interesting maneuver, and were going to continue to see different maneuvers and motions to dismiss as we go along, for any reason or for any little thing, unless or until the attorneys who are following these motions begin to get sanctioned more and more by the judges who theyre filing in front. Of lets talk about a different maneuver, peter, because donald trump has been trying to rely on president ial immunity. Hes been saying it for years. It is not going to fly in court and he knows that. Is he doing it for the court of Public Opinion . Because the average person might think, yeah, maybe a president allowed to do that because in many instances president s have different rules than you and me. Yeah. Look, charles would know this, pedal better i think the legal term is throw these beget against the wall, or throw everything a every possible, sand in the gears we possibly can, every possible motion you can think, Of Disqualify the judge, delay the trial, find some way to move from one core to another, find a different venue, this missed it on the basis of anything they can argue theyre gonna try to argue, in part because it does delay the ultimate reckoning. But there is a question here that hasnt really been fully answered by the courts, which is, what is the extent of president ial immunity . The Justice Department has said a couple of different men memos, one during the clinton administration, when theyre in Office President s cannot be charged with a crime. They do not proposed to say that they can be charged with a crime after they leave office. But theres obviously an understanding, at least on a civil society, you cant sue a president for their official actions. What hes trying to say here is the trying to overturn an election he lost, and that he had been told that he had lost, and hold on to power, even though he had lost, constitutes an official action, and thats a really different way of looking at things so well see what the courts say about it. Im not a legal expert, but it does begin to draw lines that will be important, even beyond donald trump, to say what are the rules when it comes to a president and former trans president , where can they be held accountable, and where do they have, in fact, some sort of immunity from prosecution or civil liability . All right, charles, lets go back town to day four of Donald Trumps civil fraud trial. How bad was it for him that theres a handwritten note on a financial document that says lets get final sign off from donald john trump, jt. How can you possibly claim ignorance when theyre all going, we have to talk to the boss . A company with, what, 20 people . This wasnt a giant corporation. The says he has to get final say. On a scale of manageable to not that bad, its terrible. I say that because it undercuts the entire legal theory that his defense team has been trying to advance. He didnt know, the accountants did it the notion of ignorance, particularly because youre in front of a of judge, this is a bench trial. Were not talking about jurors who can in some cases been manipulated by a lawyer who they like, the flash shouldve known better. Theyre not familiar with these. Things youre talking to a judge and the judge is going to not employee the law but also common sense. When youre talking about what this note says in the fact that it required on trumps approval, he no longer has the ground to say i didnt know what was going on in plead ignorance, even though that is not a real viable defense under the law. Luke, the republican front runner is a defendant in multiple cases. Republicans in congress are tearing themselves apart and have no speaker. The staffers you talked to every day on the hill, whats the vibe right now . Really, depressed. People are beside themselves. A band of a few farright republicans cause compete chaos in the house. They think their Party Looks Like it cant govern. Moderate voters are going to leave them in droves, and meanwhile the party is talking about putting donald trump in a speaker and changing the rules so they can allow people charged with felonies to become speaker and all kinds of crazy things. So yeah, theres a lot of the staffers really depressed right now. They feel like the party has gone off the tracks. Theyre trying to get it back on track. Its very tough time for a lot of the staffers on the hill, thats for sure. All right, peter, new topic. Recent polling finds the democrats handling of immigration is at an alltime low. But heres the thing. Immigration and what is happening at the border as been a problem for a long long time. Is this just a situation where congress does nothing, so whatever president is in the oval office is going to get blamed for whats happening at the border . Well, look, youre right, it has been a problem for a long time and it has been leveled multiple president s going back years and years. It does seem that there are numbers coming out of the border right now that are scalise has problems with his the coup, and someone else who particularly bad and the look doesnt seem competent for the particularly bad for president job. I cant stop laughing, biden. Jason. He saw him today doing he has problems with his own something that none of us might personality. Thats stephanie ruhle, she has have expected just a little problems with own personality. While ago, which is to say and all seriousness, though, were gonna continue to build mark, do you see any solution some of the wall that president here . Trump wants to build. Do you see there he keem he says he doesnt want to do, jeffries 80, utterly dant raised at the other night, that he doesnt think its power sharing, not jeffrey effective, because congress specifically, but do you see any solution . Appropriated the money and i think it would be a long because it wouldnt redirect way to get to something the money that he has no remotely like that. Choices president but to but the problem that is pretty continue to build a wall, but clear here is that you have 18 thats gonna raise all sorts of questions and all sorts of republicans who were elected in conversations. Biden districts. We already hear republicans so youve got to have their saying biden is admitting he votes. If you have trump dancing in should build a wall, which is their, theyre not going to not what he is saying, but in want to endorse anyone that the end hes gonna end up accomplishing some of what President Trump tried to do in office but couldnt, which is trump is endorsing. To actually extend the barriers and theyre not likely to be on the border that had been basically halted or suspended supporting jim jordan. Scalise has the problems that or stalled under the former we indicated. President. Thats kind of an irony or you could see how this could unfold, with many chapters. Paradox that nobody might have interesting fever dreams. Expected a few weeks ago. I like the lease cheney fever but look, On What Grounds can republicans in Congress Dream where she got enough attack President Biden for what is happening at the border . Republicans or democrats about they are doing nothing. Her, but how about cheney for congress has done nothing on speaker. Im down with that. Comprehensive immigration i want to highlight part of a reform for years and years. And they are the actual lawmakers. So how can they honestly put all of the blame on the president when theyve got to politico report and the look in the mirror and say, yo, relationship between Kevin Mccarthy and the biden white what have i done . Congress has been at a complete standstill on trying house, where politico says, to get real immigration bill. Quote, mccarthy marked bidens we have seen partisan bills age and mental acuity in public or privately telling allies come out of the house, which that he found the president have no chance of passing the senate, and the senate has nothing moving at all. And there has really been no sharp and substantive in their serious discussions at all conversations. That is a stark contradiction between republican and that left a deep impression on the white house. What does this tell you about democrats and how to fix the Kevin Mccarthy and the current state of things in washington, jason . Problems of immigration, no this is why he was terrible real negotiations or at his job. Compromise. I wasnt a fan of john boehner, really a lot of compromising but one thing that john boehner and messaging bills. Talked about a lot after he so you raise a good point, which is, if you havent had a series attempt between the two parties in congress to fix the problems of immigration, then how can you criticize the left office as speaker, he will go back to his own caucus and say hey guys, i dont agree administration . Just saying. With them at all, but obamas peter baker, luke broadwater, charles coleman, thank you all for starting us off this. Evening i want to give you a quick update from the state of not a bad guy. I can argue and debate with florida where democratic him. Congressman Jared Moskowitz has and boehner was really Strong Enough to argue with people a very simple answer to donald that like hey were not dealing trumps claims about the value with an idiot here. Mccarthy couldnt be trusted by anybody. He was a weasel. Of his President Trump<\/a> and the way he dealt with Sensitive Information<\/a> shortly after he left office. The New York Times<\/a> has new reporting that trump shared apparently classified information about American Nuclear<\/a> submarines with an australian businessman who ppened to be at my maralago. Thats according to people familiar with the matter. It comes after the former president s legal team asked the judge in a classified documents case to postpone that trial until after the election. Trumps lawyers are scrambling to delay or throw out completely at least three other cases against him. If legal team is filed motions to dismiss the new york hush money case and the washington d. C. Election interference case. The cover page for the d. C. Motion says the former president is arguing for president ial immunity. But for facts sake, and at this Point A Night<\/a> to get 1 every time i see that, i would be really rich. President s of the United States<\/a> do not get immunity for trying to overturn an election. Trumps lawyers know. That you know who else does . Mitch mcconnell. He basically said so after trumps second impeachment. Watch this. President trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office. As an ordinary citizen. Unless the statute of limitations is run, still liable for everything he did while he was in office. Didnt get away with anything, yet. Yet. We have a criminal Justice System<\/a> in this country. We have civil litigation. And former president s are not immune from being accountable by either one. Meanwhile, it was day four of Donald Trumps<\/a> new york civil fraud trial, the Trump Organization<\/a> executive testified under oath that the donald trump himself had the final sign off on financial documents, one statement in evidence included a handwritten note that said, quote, the j t to get final review. That is donald john trump. Trumps legal team is expected to file for a stay pending appeal in that case tomorrow morning. And finally, the judge in georgias rico case has declined to dismiss the charges against sydney powell. This as d. A. Fani willis is seeking the testimony for six out of State Witnesses<\/a> in the upcoming trial of powell and chesebro. You know, every time we think about this, case i always think about how big and sprawling it is and what it means here. I think there are good aspects and bad cases aspects, as everything including out of State Conduct<\/a> is ascribed to everyone. Two months especially even these witnesses who will talk about arizona and pennsylvania as well as georgia, she wants that. Did you follow all that . In short, he is trying to throw a delay or cancel everything against him and the d. A. s are basically just saying, id like more witnesses, and more witnesses, and more witnesses. And their judges havent given him anything that he wants, yet, and without lets get smarter with our lead off panel, can baker here, chief White House Correspondent<\/a> for the New York Times<\/a>, luke broadwater, pulitzer prizewinning congressional reporter, also the times, and former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman, joins me here at 30 rock. Peter, i turn to you first, because its a rare paper at the New York Times<\/a>, with this new reporting on Trump Sharing<\/a> apparently classified information about nuclear submarines. Tell us what we need to know. Right, thats exactly. Right so anthony plaza, australian businessman who joined maralago, i think in 2017, cultivated President Trump<\/a> like a lot of people did in that area that join maralago in the reporting we have, my colleagues, have is that at some point soon after he left, soon after President Trump<\/a> left office, then former President Trump<\/a> of course, shared some information, we dont exactly what, about with this australian businessman and he is listed among 80 different possible witnesses, we are told, the jack smith, Special Counsel<\/a> could call as part of his classified documents case. These are not necessarily really directly to the documents that he took but it would show an inclination on the part of the former president to feel cavalierly with the nations secrets and i dont know if he will be called in trial but i think its though it goes to a pattern of conduct by donald trump even after he left office. Charles, the times is also reporting that jack smiths team learned about Trump Sharing<\/a> the secrets. As a gun impact when hes . Doing right now i dont think its gonna have a major impact. The reason for that is, speaking as a former prosecutor, what youre talking about here is one, person if the reporting is what we know it to be right now, who overheard or had a conversation with donald trump where he allegedly said something to him about nuclear secrets, and the problem with that is that its not necessarily a tremendously strong case without any other physical evidence. Remember, donald trump also was allegedly waving around confidential information in front of pentagon officials as well as other reporters, and jack smith doesnt do anything about that. From a legal perspective, unless hes going to charge him with relaying confidential secrets thats the only charge that i could even see this being admissible, most of everything that we are hearing wouldnt even be admissible because of hearsay and the hearsay rule and how Trial Evidence<\/a> works and so you have a narrow lane with respect to the charge that can be brought, which is relaying, and even to establish that you only have one witness and i dont necessarily mean absent any other tangible or physical evidence jack smith is gonna go forward. Take us to the hill, look. With all the chaos unfolding in congress right now, is donald trump going to get the big Public Defense<\/a> he normally gets from congressional republicans, or do they have other business to attend to . Yeah, they are mired in their own eternal chaos and fighting right now. That said, i am sure that they will rush to defend donald trump at any turning if asked, and if pressed to do so. In other cases, where prosecutors have taken actions against donald trump, jim jordan, judiciary chair sent letters to those prosecutors has, demanded documents. And he has done the same with merrick garland, with jack smith, you can see him potentially taking some more actions against in the future, trying to intervene on behalf of donald trump, when hes got his own matter at hand, with the speaker himself. It also gets harder and harder to make that argument, well, donald trump is really just sentimental, he likes to keep these things for mementos, hes not. If you follow the last 77 years of his, life he is a transactional guy. And when you find something of value he holds on to it and tries to extract that value and a later date. That is his jam. His other jam, charles, is running the clock. That is his go to. And he is successfully doing so. He is. But now he is moving to delay or dismiss for cases against him, i mean four cases, are you kidding me . No. And i said early on, we are going to get, and we are getting when i predicted, which was an up close front row of view of how the legal system can work, and regional exhaust every legal move or removed or they can to slow things down. With respect to the civil trial in new york, the timing of this new motion is an interesting one, primarily because youre in the middle of a trial in its not unusual for someone who loses Summary Judgment<\/a> to appeal that judgment. I understand that the defense team was looking to do, some of the argument that theyre likely going to make is the bike carrying this out, by canceling Business Licenses<\/a> by granting the relief that the Court Ordered<\/a> is part of the Summary Judgment<\/a> decision, these things are irreversible or doing irreparable harm with extreme prejudice to donald trump. But secretly what they would like to do is delay the trial. Thats also going to be the subtext to what the motion says, and to anticipate they will file tomorrow. I dont believe this is going to be successful, but, again, its an interesting maneuver, and were going to continue to see different maneuvers and motions to dismiss as we go along, for any reason or for any little thing, unless or until the attorneys who are following these motions begin to get sanctioned more and more by the judges who theyre filing in front. Of lets talk about a different maneuver, peter, because donald trump has been trying to rely on president ial immunity. Hes been saying it for years. It is not going to fly in court and he knows that. Is he doing it for the court of Public Opinion<\/a> . Because the average person might think, yeah, maybe a president allowed to do that because in many instances president s have different rules than you and me. Yeah. Look, charles would know this, pedal better i think the legal term is throw these beget against the wall, or throw everything a every possible, sand in the gears we possibly can, every possible motion you can think, Of Disqualify<\/a> the judge, delay the trial, find some way to move from one core to another, find a different venue, this missed it on the basis of anything they can argue theyre gonna try to argue, in part because it does delay the ultimate reckoning. But there is a question here that hasnt really been fully answered by the courts, which is, what is the extent of president ial immunity . The Justice Department<\/a> has said a couple of different men memos, one during the clinton administration, when theyre in Office President<\/a> s cannot be charged with a crime. They do not proposed to say that they can be charged with a crime after they leave office. But theres obviously an understanding, at least on a civil society, you cant sue a president for their official actions. What hes trying to say here is the trying to overturn an election he lost, and that he had been told that he had lost, and hold on to power, even though he had lost, constitutes an official action, and thats a really different way of looking at things so well see what the courts say about it. Im not a legal expert, but it does begin to draw lines that will be important, even beyond donald trump, to say what are the rules when it comes to a president and former trans president , where can they be held accountable, and where do they have, in fact, some sort of immunity from prosecution or civil liability . All right, charles, lets go back town to day four of Donald Trumps<\/a> civil fraud trial. How bad was it for him that theres a handwritten note on a financial document that says lets get final sign off from donald john trump, jt. How can you possibly claim ignorance when theyre all going, we have to talk to the boss . A company with, what, 20 people . This wasnt a giant corporation. The says he has to get final say. On a scale of manageable to not that bad, its terrible. I say that because it undercuts the entire legal theory that his defense team has been trying to advance. He didnt know, the accountants did it the notion of ignorance, particularly because youre in front of a of judge, this is a bench trial. Were not talking about jurors who can in some cases been manipulated by a lawyer who they like, the flash shouldve known better. Theyre not familiar with these. Things youre talking to a judge and the judge is going to not employee the law but also common sense. When youre talking about what this note says in the fact that it required on trumps approval, he no longer has the ground to say i didnt know what was going on in plead ignorance, even though that is not a real viable defense under the law. Luke, the republican front runner is a defendant in multiple cases. Republicans in congress are tearing themselves apart and have no speaker. The staffers you talked to every day on the hill, whats the vibe right now . Really, depressed. People are beside themselves. A band of a few farright republicans cause compete chaos in the house. They think their Party Looks Like<\/a> it cant govern. Moderate voters are going to leave them in droves, and meanwhile the party is talking about putting donald trump in a speaker and changing the rules so they can allow people charged with felonies to become speaker and all kinds of crazy things. So yeah, theres a lot of the staffers really depressed right now. They feel like the party has gone off the tracks. Theyre trying to get it back on track. Its very tough time for a lot of the staffers on the hill, thats for sure. All right, peter, new topic. Recent polling finds the democrats handling of immigration is at an alltime low. But heres the thing. Immigration and what is happening at the border as been a problem for a long long time. Is this just a situation where congress does nothing, so whatever president is in the oval office is going to get blamed for whats happening at the border . Well, look, youre right, it has been a problem for a long time and it has been leveled multiple president s going back years and years. It does seem that there are numbers coming out of the border right now that are scalise has problems with his the coup, and someone else who particularly bad and the look doesnt seem competent for the particularly bad for president job. I cant stop laughing, biden. Jason. He saw him today doing he has problems with his own something that none of us might personality. Thats stephanie ruhle, she has have expected just a little problems with own personality. While ago, which is to say and all seriousness, though, were gonna continue to build mark, do you see any solution some of the wall that president here . Trump wants to build. Do you see there he keem he says he doesnt want to do, jeffries 80, utterly dant raised at the other night, that he doesnt think its power sharing, not jeffrey effective, because congress specifically, but do you see any solution . Appropriated the money and i think it would be a long because it wouldnt redirect way to get to something the money that he has no remotely like that. Choices president but to but the problem that is pretty continue to build a wall, but clear here is that you have 18 thats gonna raise all sorts of questions and all sorts of republicans who were elected in conversations. Biden districts. We already hear republicans so youve got to have their saying biden is admitting he votes. If you have trump dancing in should build a wall, which is their, theyre not going to not what he is saying, but in want to endorse anyone that the end hes gonna end up accomplishing some of what President Trump<\/a> tried to do in office but couldnt, which is trump is endorsing. To actually extend the barriers and theyre not likely to be on the border that had been basically halted or suspended supporting jim jordan. Scalise has the problems that or stalled under the former we indicated. President. Thats kind of an irony or you could see how this could unfold, with many chapters. Paradox that nobody might have interesting fever dreams. Expected a few weeks ago. I like the lease cheney fever but look, On What Grounds<\/a> can republicans in Congress Dream<\/a> where she got enough attack President Biden<\/a> for what is happening at the border . Republicans or democrats about they are doing nothing. Her, but how about cheney for congress has done nothing on speaker. Im down with that. Comprehensive immigration i want to highlight part of a reform for years and years. And they are the actual lawmakers. So how can they honestly put all of the blame on the president when theyve got to politico report and the look in the mirror and say, yo, relationship between Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> and the biden white what have i done . Congress has been at a complete standstill on trying house, where politico says, to get real immigration bill. Quote, mccarthy marked bidens we have seen partisan bills age and mental acuity in public or privately telling allies come out of the house, which that he found the president have no chance of passing the senate, and the senate has nothing moving at all. And there has really been no sharp and substantive in their serious discussions at all conversations. That is a stark contradiction between republican and that left a deep impression on the white house. What does this tell you about democrats and how to fix the Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> and the current state of things in washington, jason . Problems of immigration, no this is why he was terrible real negotiations or at his job. Compromise. I wasnt a fan of john boehner, really a lot of compromising but one thing that john boehner and messaging bills. Talked about a lot after he so you raise a good point, which is, if you havent had a series attempt between the two parties in congress to fix the problems of immigration, then how can you criticize the left office as speaker, he will go back to his own caucus and say hey guys, i dont agree administration . Just saying. With them at all, but obamas peter baker, luke broadwater, charles coleman, thank you all for starting us off this. Evening i want to give you a quick update from the state of not a bad guy. I can argue and debate with florida where democratic him. Congressman Jared Moskowitz<\/a> has and boehner was really Strong Enough<\/a> to argue with people a very simple answer to donald that like hey were not dealing trumps claims about the value with an idiot here. Mccarthy couldnt be trusted by anybody. He was a weasel. Of his Maralago Club<\/a> in palm he was the worst person to have beach. A new telephone game, because moskowitz sent a letter to the you ask for a sandwich and he county property appraiser, says you asked for crack pointing out of the county value the property between 18 and 28 million bucks, which is a whole lot different than cocaine. You couldnt trust the man, Donald Trumps<\/a> claim that it is within his party, within worth well over a billion negotiations, and thats why he doesnt have his job. Thats why the republicans in general are in trouble, because dollars. They dont have anybody. So the congressmans official they have people who are qanon people like jim jordan, or you request to the county, have spines people like mccarthy, who dont know how to make real commitments and negotiate. Shouldnt we hikers taxes to and if you cant come up with a functional leader, you cant operate as a Political Organization<\/a> or even a Diamond Store<\/a> front for a terrorist organization, which i said the reflect what donald trump gop has done for years. Swears maralago is worth . Crazy makes noise, it makes headlines, and functional its a very good question by the congressman. Democracy is what we need. We cant wait to hear the do people realize and appreciate that. Mark mckinnon, Jason Johnson<\/a>, response. Dont forget to watch mark when we come back, donald trump zona. Unite our countrys youth is watching. They may not be old enough to is looming large. The speaker battle on the hill, vote now, but guess what . 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Join the millions of people taking back their privacy by Downloading Duckduckgo On Mobile<\/a> and desktop today. The republicans on this committee and the others in the house and senate dont care about democracy. They dont care about fair maps. They only care about three simple things, reelection, power, and dollar signs. This Redistricting Stunt<\/a> is a clear power grab by republicans in the General Assembly<\/a>, so to now, watch your step. Be very careful of what you choose to do, because young people like me are watching, serious battle lines drawn in and young people like me are the race to become the next fed up. Watch your step. House speaker. So far to republicans have right now, i hope that parents thrown their hats in the ring. Of teenagers or teenagers are jim jordan and ski steve watching, because that right there was 17 year old eric scalise. Today jordan said he has talked willoughby. Hes not old enough to cast a to donald trump about his bid for speaker and he would not ballot, but he had that warning try to expel matt gaetz. For elected officials in his state, young people are and just about an hour ago, watching and not just in north Congressman Troy Nehls<\/a> said he carolina where the republican plans to endorse jordan for controlled legislature is still speaker. The process of drawing a new speaking of trump, he sources congressional maps. Young activists often go up to be Young Leaders<\/a>. Also say that trump himself is you might remember this viral moment from 2011, when the 19 considering visiting the capitol next week as a process to pick a new speaker begins, yearold zach wahls stood up with the goal to unify to defend families like his own republicans. Back with me tonight, Jason Johnson<\/a> politics and Journalism Professor<\/a> Morgan State University<\/a> and Mark Mckinnon<\/a>, former adviser to george w. Legislation that was targeting bush and john mccain, one of them. Were not so different from any of your children. The cohosts of the circus on my family really isnt so showtime, which as its season different from yours. After all, your family doesnt premiere sunday night. You better be harm. Derive its sense of worth from mark, is jordan trying to being told by the state, youre married, congratulations. Or the next two hours im sure position himself as the most were gonna hear plenty of testimony about how damaging maga candidate for speaker, and having gay parents is on kids. If so, is that the right move, but my 19 years not once have i ever been confronted by an given how thin the margins are individual who realized independently that i was raised for republicans . By a gay couple. Well, he is the most maga and you know why . Because the Sexual Orientation<\/a> candidate by far. Even before the Freedom Caucus<\/a> of my parents has had zero described him as a bomb effect on the content of my character. Thrower. Is that really where the thank you very much. Republican caucus needs at this that legislation did pass in the iowa house, but was blocked point to interact sort of votes they need and to have any sort in the senate and, same sex marriage stayed legal in the of republican success . State. And in the question is not just as for zach wahls, he went on two but what. To serve in the iowa state senate. What are gonna be the terms of both of these remarkable young men join us now. Any speaker, and the problem we know from Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>s tenure is that they introduced eric, you amaze me. A motion to vacate. You are a senior in high its like chekhovs gun. If you show a gun in the first school. Act, theyre gonna use it what made you decide to address before the play is over. The General Assembly<\/a> . And they used. They shot mccarthy. I mean, its fog, time for so i talked to ken, back is one of the republicans who deposed Friday Night Lights<\/a> and pepper rallies. Thats right. And you know, thats exactly mccarthy is a member of the Freedom Caucus<\/a>. What i told the general i doubt him last night. Assembly. I should be with my friends. He said really right now it i shouldnt have to be here and comes down to scalise and jordan. Defend my generations writes but he says that scalise had with for a ballot affair problems because Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> doesnt like scalise. So mccarthys going to whip his representation. But why was i there . People against police, and i was there to prove the young jordans got his own problems. People like me, we are so if those guys have two listening i mean we dont always hear it all the time but problems going in, is it we are listening and we are angry and we are fed up. Zach, talk to us about how appears that they do, they had more problems than Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> had going, in and we know mccarthy took 15 votes to you went from being just a get there. Young man but who chose to so i think were looking at a stand up publicly to defend long train wreck ahead. Your family who is basically but jason, mark is under attack and then moving to forgetting that the great full activism and full office unifier may be making his way to capitol hill during this where you are right now. Process next week. Well, stephanie, i really donald trump. Appreciate the opportunity to who is that going to benefit . Be with you and eric, theyre the president s gonna congratulations, thank you for benefit is the democrats. I am sorry, but in a functional standing up and delivering such democracy the guy who was responsible for an attempted an impassioned speech. The thing i would say to you is violent coup should never be that you have this Incredible Opportunity<\/a> to take this moment confident enough to return to and turn it into something much the scene of the crime. Bigger. Thats what those of us who had that opportunity, stephanie, i would say, have the responsibility to do. My generation, the generation its kind of ridiculous the of people like eric, we are incredibly frustrated, and its donald trump is walking free at all. Exciting lead to see young but the fact that he would feel comfortable to come back to activists take the lead on issues like partisan washington d. C. With just two gerrymandering, climate change, years ago he led a mob of for lgbtq people who are always people to try to murder almost been targeted. Everybody in that room, its What Eric Speech Shows<\/a> is galling to me. But jason, but by that defending democracy is not an measure, it would be absurd for insider in the weeds issue. Someone who did that to be its easy to see the voters running for president of the dont really care about democracy issues, but i think erics speech shows that it United States<\/a>, and thats connects with a lot of people, especially young people. Exactly what hes doing. Yes. But a lot of people dont thats the larger problem. If we had a more swift and more think about partisan gerrymandering until its too aggressive Justice System<\/a>, he late. Wouldnt be in a position to do eric, i said, it youre only 17 that. Thats the larger problem that years old. Are you an outlier among your we have here. Its flaunting the law and friends and classmates, or are they engaged as well . Flaunting how he really attacked the sovereignty of this nation. So that being said, it would be when it comes to issues like great for democrats to point redistricting, im very aware, that out, its not gonna do because its a very non sexy anything for the republican issue. Party. Its a very nerdy thing that i they have a choice between two happen to be interested in. Terrible candidates. Jim jordan, quite frankly but young people are really considered a cook even among interested in areas like conservatives. Also not very good at raising reproductive rights, voting money. Rights, things like that, that and whoever becomes the speaker, they care about because they at this point, is gonna be know it affects their duty responsible for Raising Money<\/a> today. When youre able to relate and protecting republicans who those issues to Something Like<\/a> are trying to protect their seats in 2024. So i would say steve scalise, but he has health issues. Redistricting, it affects all those issues, it has an impact. Zach, people constantly saying have broke and divided the country. Is congresss chaos, not functioning. But when you think about your own path over the last ten years, when you look at eric, a 17yearold, speaking up for what he believes in, how energized and inspired do you feel about the power of our country, about the power of democracy . I think it makes me really excited and i think if i had to think of a through line from erics speech in mine, its about the importance of speaking truth to power and how that resonates with people who are watching in this meeting. I think that all across the country there is this understanding that we are going through something that is really challenging for our country right now, whether its the rise of authoritarianism within the republican party, attempts by that party, like they are in North Carolina<\/a>, which by rigging elections, we know that there are incredible challenges in front of us. It brings me a lot of excitement and inspiration to see people like eric in North Carolina<\/a> stepping up, here in iowa we saw teenaged in High School Students<\/a> organize walkouts against bans an lgbt books here in our state. And so it has been inspiring for me to see young people stepping up. I would still consider myself a young person by political standards. Its really important for our generation to get involved, whether its joining a local organization, running for office with the good folks that run for something, or just finding a candidate who you really believe in and going to work for them. We cannot make a difference if we do our part. Eric, your remarks, obviously, went viral. Thats how we found you. Their inspirational. But what happened after he spoke . Whats going on down there . A lot of great people reached out. A lot of great people were able to elevate the platform to spread this issue even more. Im very grateful for those opportunities because this cant just be a 15 seconds of fame. This has to be something that keeps on going. So what are you doing next . Well, i think my family and people and i are going to deliver republicans a message in 2024. That message is that my generation, generation see, its gonna be the generation that writes the history books. And if you just right now today to push us to the margins of our political systems, to the sidelines of our government, were gonna be the ones to read you into the margins of history. If you decide now that we are not mature enough, to lead, we will be the ones to decide that you will not be the ones to represent our great country. Damn, eric, youre not even gonna have to write a college application. Theyre just going to be sending a car for you. Zach, what message do you have for young people today . I think the most important thing is not to lose hope. They want you to feel more worn down, they want you to feel dispirited, like theres nothing you can do, but just look at eric. Look at the speech that he gave. Look at the difference that hes making in North Carolina<\/a>. Look at the inspiration that hes given to so many people. One voice and thats what eric is doing in North Carolina<\/a>, and thats what any person can do who wants to stand up and be heard. Eric willoughby, zach wahls, thanks so much. After this, something that drives me bananas, influencers, you see them everywhere. But are they starting to lose their influence now that they are cashing in . Well get into it when the 11th hour continues. You deserve better than that. Im hungry, im in a hurry, i dont have time to make anything healthy. You could if you had a blendjet. Blendjet . Its the portable blender that makes the healthy choice the most convenient choice. I dont know. It seems like a hassle. Hahaha wrong. Just pour in some milk, add some frozen fruit, and bam youve got a nutritious and delicious smoothie. Mmm that is good. Youre welcome, sad office guy. Get yours today at blendjet. Com are we in in an ad . We sure are. If you were on social media at all today, and i know you were, chances are you probably scrolled by an influencer. Now what started out as a way to grow personal brands from hogue has now because of a multi billion dollar global industry. But now that those influencers are cashing in on the billions, the question is, have they sold away their authenticity, maybe even lost their influence . With me now to discuss, hey lauren,s Washington Post<\/a> technology con columnist and author of extremely online, the untold story of the influence and power on the internet. It is out this week. Can we just talk through this because social Media Influencers<\/a> killed traditional advertising. We no longer were flipping through a magazine looking at a model claiming that she loved this blender. Now actually chefs are in their kitchens saying man, we love this great stuff, this is what i use. Fast forward, now they get paid so much money they are just pushing product all day long. Are people go to eventually catch on to this and tune them out . Not even remotely, unfortunately. Actually Goldman Sachs<\/a> just came out with a Report Saying<\/a> that the Influencer Industry<\/a> is skyrocketing. Over half a trillion Dollar Industry<\/a> by 2027. Okay, but lot of these influencers are pushing products that they might not even use. Your own paper has a report out that the Food Industry<\/a> is paying Influencer Dietitians<\/a> and they are not even saying that they are paid posts. Arent the rules about that . Unfortunately, i actually wrote about this in my book, ftc has failed about this to crack down. They dont have a handle on the problem. When they try to crack down in 2017 they ended up making sponsor content aspirational. Now you see spate fake sponsor content, which people pretending they have brand deals with Luxury Brands<\/a> are aspirational brands because its seen as a Status Symbol<\/a> to have a brandnew deal. And if they do that maybe another brand will want to catch on . Exactly. This is gross. Its all of this going to be a race for all humans to get sponsored . The big trend is watching your own products. More Interest Influencers<\/a> are not interested in doing and deals because why would you have ad deals when youve developed a product you can sell to your audience yourself . Chamberlain coffee, really developing their own product lines, and theyre becoming huge businesses. The real housewives. Its what all of them have done. If it looks good, and i have my own product. But a lot of these influencers are kids. Are there no regulations around them . Absolutely not. Illinois passed the first legislation to protect child employers, but its an enforceable because the state legislation. The u. S. Government has not been tracking this. Its a huge new type of work thats been emerging in the past 15, years and statistics its not even tracking them. We dont even have a handle on it. So none of this is slowing down. This is the tip of the iceberg. We are at the beginning of this radical shift in media and it has been happening for the last 25 years, which my book reports on, but its definitely not slowing down. At some point, though, how does everyone become an influencer . How does everyone become a brand . Theres not very many brands to care about . Definitely not everyones gonna have to become an influencer, but were all connected more and more these days. We all have a public profile. Were living on the internet, whether or not we put ourselves there. I can google anyone, especially kids. You have an online reputation. Youre known for things. Its increasingly, i mean, kids are increasingly able to cash. And look at whats happening with college sports. I want to know why you wrote this book, and in your opinion, whats the most important takeaway . I want to write a book that told the rise of social media through the user side. Weve seen a social Network Version<\/a> of social media. Lot of focus on big tech founders, great for that side, but weve got the user side, and again, its half a trillion Dollar Industry<\/a> that is completely unregulated, with no oversight. Its wild. Its mostly a child labor industry. And no one had really talked about the rise of that industry and how it emerged, and kind of lead that charge. Whats your biggest fear . Or you have none . You think this is a beautiful wild west . Pretty dystopian. As we talk about my book, we are all pressured to come out of ourselves, our lives in our relationships in increasingly invasive ways. I think its dark. Theres a lot of laboratory aspect. I have my whole career, because i get popular online, like a popular on the internet and im in media. And i wrote a book. It could be amazing for people and it can also be dark. There is huge Mental Health<\/a> tolls on content makers because theyre always online. All these influencers, trusting what they have, what they use. Now theyre just pushing product. Come on now. Taylor lorenz, congratulations on your book, glad to talk with you. When we come back, you have to see this story. If youre feeling tired, i need you to stay up for another five minutes, because this woman ditched her walker, literally, to jump out of a plane, and she just broke the record books. If this woman ist gonna make you get a better tomorrow, nothing else well. Stick around. The 11th hour isnt over yet. From chrome to duckduckgo. Duckduckgo is a browser you download to your mobile and desktop devices. Unlike chrome, the Duckduckgo Browser<\/a> has privacy builtin. 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When you feel good, you can do these things. Sometimes you have a little fear or scare of doing it, but if you feel good, do it. My god, i love this woman. Dorothy told the maritime she was not nervous at all ahead no idea about the Guinness World<\/a> record. She of course, no surprise, was met with a massive round of applause when she landed, which, she did not actually understand. It was wonderful. I enjoyed it. I couldnt understand why those people were there. But, as i say, all i did was get old. Older. Im not old, im older. Older, wiser, and more fabulous every day. We want to send our congratulations to dear dorothy. Shes back in her chicago Retirement Home<\/a> and says she hopes to take it easy next summer, with maybe a hot air balloon ride. And on that note, i hope you all feel a little inspired tomorrow, and have a good night tonight. From all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. Ill see you at the end of tomorrow. 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