Fined for violating a gag order as maga completes their house takeover. He was one of the intellectual architects of pushing back on the stolen election. Tonight, the radical shift right in the house with come baseman jimmy raskin, and the remarkable scene inside a manhattan courtroom. The ex president was forced to take the stand. You may have seen mr. Trump storm out. I saw a defeated man. New details on the horrific attack inside israel by hamas as the United Nations warns of the increasingly dire situation inside gaza. When all in starts, right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Today, the ex president stormed out of a manhattan courtroom during of Civil Fraud Trial after being punished by the judge for violating a gag order. Judge Arthur Engoron imposed that order earlier this month after donald trump publicly attract a law clerk working on his 250 Million Dollar lawsuit. This afternoon, the judge ordered trump to the Witness Stand to answer for a new disparaging comment he made to reporters outside the courtroom about the judge and a person, quote, sitting alongside him. Judge engoron said he found trumps testimony not credible, and find the president 10,000. The absolutely wild scene. Well have more about what transpired at that trial later in the show, but believe it or not, those were not even the most consequential comments trump made at his trial this week. Yesterday, during breaks from the court proceedings, the ex president singlehandedly took down his partys third speaker siate in three weeks, and thising, shortly before heading back to court, trump essentially chose the new Speaker Of The House, strongly suggesting republicans vote for mike johnson of louisiana. And, well, it worked. After 21 days in crisis, the house elected mike johnson with unanimous support from his party, which means the house is finally back to business with the trump approved leader holding the gavel. Now, the whole process has played out over the last three weeks, or more fleeing former speaker Kevin Mccarthy, finding someone to replace him, has been such a debacle. Its been hard at times to define the actual ideological stakes of the fight. But this resolution today, the choice of mike johnson for speaker, makes the stakes and the political danger to the nation crystal clear. Mike johnson is unambiguously in the fire right wing of the Republican Party on basically every issue. Hes a zealous advocate for criminalizing abortion, cosponsoring and voting for a National Abortion ban. Last year, the Supreme Court overturned roe v. Wade, mike johnson celebrated, calling it a glamorous day. He once blamed the countrys economic woes on a womans right to choose. Roe v. Wade gave constitutional covering to the killing of unborn children in america, period. You think about the implications of that on the economy. Were all struggling here to cover the basis of Social Security and medicare, medicaid, all the rest. If we had all those ablebodied workers in the economy, we wouldnt be going upside down in toppling over like this. I, mean if you dont spend a lot of time in real fringe parts of the right, you may not be familiar with the Abortion Industry is bankrupting the Social Security arguments, but its a sort of reoccurring one there. Johnson, not surprisingly, also into extremist on lgbtq rights, he voted against a bill mandating the federal Recognitioame X marriage as. Last, year he introduced a bill modeled after floridas dont say gay law that would ban the discussion of Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity with kids under age ten at federally funded institutions. This summer,e led a hearing about, quote, the anger is of genderaffirming Carfor Children where he said parents have no right to allow their children to access that medical care. No right the govt tes you how your kidet their medical care. Thats his b and, to top it all off, l his predecessor, former speaker paul ryan, mike johon wants to severely cut the social safety net. Particularly Social Security and medica. Perhaps most signify, for our purposes here, mike johnson s a hardcore election denier, who played a key role in the effort to Overthrow E 2020 election. He recruited House Republicans to support a lawsuit, seeking he, quote, was also it clear our prot republ objections to certifying bidens election on january six, 2021, 146 of his republican colleagues, johnson voted to overturn the election results. In the end, that vote was makeorbreak for the speakership. Tom emmer, a former number three in leadership, his vote in favor of democracy, ratifying a free and fair election, voting, the person who won enough votes to actually be the president , that was disqualifying in the eyes of the one person who matters, donald trump. And any socalled moderates in the caucus, emphasis on socalled, we spent a lot of time over the last few weeks going on cable news shows, talking to microphones, talking to reporters about how concerned they wear, concerned, deeply, upset, concerned, about supporting an election denier, where do you think they ended up in the end . Did you have that . Did you bet on that . You won a lot of money if you bet on that. They ended up caving to the big lie majority. Fully. All of them. Unanimous. Just listen to the reaction from johnsons colleagues in the House Republican caucus yesterday, when a reporter dared to ask about his vote on january 6th. Mr. Johnson, you helped lead the efforts to overturn the 2020 election, do you stand by [crowd chanting] next question. Next question. Shut up. Shut up. Thats what they think about raising the factual matter that he voted for the. One democrat pete aguilar brought it up again, he was tackled by a member of that seem hard right faction. House republicans have put their names behind someone who has been called the most important architect of the Electoral College objections. Yeah right he spearheaded thats back. Thats fair. We know how you feel. You made that clear. Darn right. Today, we know that faction, the anti democracy faction, the farright, one. They celebrated. The Chief Architect of this file took a Victo Lap On Steve Bannon program. Maga its ascendant. And if you dont think the move from Kevin Mccarthy to maga mike johnson shows the ascendance of this movement and where the power in the Republican Party truly lies, then youre not paying attention. Now, matt gaetz is talking his book, like he is always. Ill probably do 19 more podcasts before i talk to you tomorrow night. He and his collection are proud of what theyve achieved. The majority of the caucus, including the new speaker, try to overturn the last election, and theyre proud of that. In fact, the message they are sending and choosing mike johnson, and this is important for everyone to understand, because thats where we are not only are they proud of that, but theyre on vowed, and theyre ready, and they are willing to try again. Congressman Jamie Raskins january 6th 20, hes the Ranking Member of the oversight committee, and he joins me now. Congressman, new speaker mike johnson, your thoughts. Well, you cannot get to the right of mike johnson in the maga caucus. Its just inconceivable that you could get to the right of him. And there are people who are definitely more lunatic than he is, and hes got very good manners, and hes been able lawyer, but when we say he opposes democracy, we know that from his giving a legal gloss and finish to all of Donald Trumps arguments about electoral fraud, and making the independent state Legislature Doctrine argument, which the Supreme Court unfortunately did not fight on. But if hes not for democracy, whats he for . It is for theocracy. And once a nationwide ban on abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest. You voted against affirming womens right to travel across state lines for the purposes of obtaining health care. Hes also voted against reaffirming womens contraceptive rights. He is a real enemy of Social Security, from mys perspective. He wanted to increase the age of Social Security retirement to 70 years old. Hes very much in the steve bannon mode of trying to dismantle the regulatory state, by which they mean democracy itself. And so, hes a decent guy, and hes a nice guy, but nobody should be fooled by it. Donald trump cemented his hold over the Republican Party today, and he is in control of the House Of Representatives right now. Yeah. Also, im just gonna go on and make a prediction. I usually dont do this. Trumps gonna be mad at him at some point. Hes gonna turn on him at some point. Hes gonna betrayed trump at some point. Weve watched this 1 million times, right . I mean, Kevin Mccarthy went down to maralago to kiss the ring, he took all the wrong colored starbursts out of his bowl to present to donald trump, and what could that do him . The guy got cut loose. I dont know how long the clock is on mike johnson. The future is undetermined. Yeah. And they could end up having major conflict over abortion. I mean, four mike johnson, he really believes that it should be a crime for someone to have an abortion. For donald trump, of course, hes completely flexible on the issue. He used an order to take over the Republican Party, and he appointed radical antichoice justices, but at this point, hed like to leave it alone, because he knows how to read a poll. So itll be interesting to see what happens between the two of them. Mike johnsons a True Believer. I was reflecting today, as the vote was going on, that if you watch the handmaids tale, he would not be rooting for june osborne. Be rooting for the other is the entire time. It comes from the religious right. He worked for a rightwing legal org thats brought a whole bunch of suits when louisiana newspaper he wrote an oped in 2003 to crying the Supreme Court striking down sodomy laws, saying prescriptions against sodomy have deep roots when louisiana instituted its abortion ban in june 2022, breaking lee, yesterday, the Department Of Health informed Abortion Facilities the right to life is now restored. Performing abortion and get in prison at hard labor for ten years and find ten k to 100 k. The interaction between amr rising to the surface, trump being like, no, hes on the wrong side of the most important issue, which is that hes not a coup abettor, Amara Dropping Out for hours later, and then mike johnson, coup a better, thats my guy. What are the implications of that . Trump vetoed amor. He plucked johnson out of obscurity and propelled him to the speakership. You know, if we were to allow these people to take over the house, the senate, and the white house, we would be where hungary is today. Its a liberal democracy that theyre interested in. Take control over the electoral process to make sure the results always move in an authoritarian direction, and then cracking down on civil rights and civil liberties, the rights of women, theyre profoundly anti gay, they are against the rate of gay people to get married, they would try to roll the clock back 50 years in america. Thats really where they are at this point. So, the stakes have been drawn really clearly in terms of the 2024 election. Weve got the democratic party, the party of democracy and freedom, against the gop, which has a Bag Of Tricks and voter suppression, gerrymandering of federal and state, legislative districts, rightwing Judicial Activists and, from the filibuster, all of those things to try to prevent real democratic priorities. And thats gonna be the struggle against the aircrafts in the autocrats and the klepto kratz, and Vladimir Putin moving into the 2024 election. Congressman jamie raskin, thank you very much. You bet. Brendan buck serves as adviser to john boehner and paul ryan. He wrote about the terrifying Learning Curve Facing Mike Johnson. He joins me now. What do you mean about the terrifying Learning Curve Facing Mike Johnson . Look, when paul ryan was cell parachuted into the speaker eight years ago, he was a pretty well established figure. He had just run for Vice President , he had done a lot of highprofile negotiations, he had established himself. And even for him, leaving the job of speaker quickly was jarring. And free mike johnson, who is been around for, you know, less than seven years and never really accomplished much of anything in the house, and i dont mean that in a disrespectful way, its just a pointed fact, theres so much to learn that he doesnt even understand what he doesnt know at this point. And thats one thing if you have a bit of a runway to ease into the job, but hes dropping in at a moment when were about to deal with israel and ukraine, and he still gonna be learning the very basics of the drop. I think theres gonna be a significant void in leadership. I think Steve Scalise is probably gonna be extremely powerful for the next few months. Because this is a person who really has no idea what this job is, and you dont really know it unless you are very close to it in leadership. And he just wasnt. I always think about this as being mayor of a big city. If you made me mayor of new york tomorrow, i wouldnt know what to do. Its like, whereas, if you made me a senator from new york tomorrow, it would be a little lower its a big important job, but i would probably have more of a grasp on it. This to me is a difference between being a member and being the speaker, right . Youve got to run things. There are is a whole body of Technical Knowledge you must know. Political knowledge you must know. Youre gonna have to get those to the floor. He doesnt have any of that, just as a factual experiential matter. The mechanics of bringing bills to the floor. What amendments in order for the bill to not fail . One of the priorities that members have . One of the problems that members have . What are the conflicts that members have that you dont know . Can you make an amendment for one person and not the other . Its not gonna block the bill . Doesnt understand the institutional running of the house. The National Security responsibilities that he now has. It goes on and on. Forget the political responsibilities he has. And his schedule is about to be completely blown up. You dont need to feel bad for the guy, but he doesnt have time to learn any of the stuff that he needs to learn either. So its gonna be a long road for him. Problem is, theres a very thin my engine, and as you talked about earlier, while hes got the halo of conservatism right now, very soon, people are gonna turn on him. Ive seen this movie before. You could be as conservative as you want. Youre gonna have to govern, and then youre no longer a conservative here. About this. You said many members of the house will say its not thejob of the speaker to drive outcomes, rather to oversee a fair process. Johnson pledged to subsidize power. While they may not say at this, white republican seem intent on ina weak speaker, and theyre likely to get their wish, at least in the sport term. Heavy hand of spat passed speakers to blame for a failure to deliver Spending Cuts or other priorities, rather than a result of the realities of divided government, that brings us to the very short runway he has. He is, i think, a True Believer on Spending Cuts. Again, this guys, like, hes Down The Line on this stuff. I dont doubt his sincerity about it all. Theres gonna be what we have . November 15th . Like, theyre gonna have to pass some sea are, and youre gonna shut down the government, or youre gonna make a lot of people mad at you in the caucus. Those are the two options. Which is why i enjoyed listening to your conversation but jamie raskin, because while you guys are all worked up about the stuff, the realities of government dont change here. The president is still run by democrats, the senate it more matters they scale than the outcomes. And these contexts, it doesnt. Yeah. Let me tell you right now, hes not going to be able to deliver the Spending Cuts that these conservatives are so excited about him being speaker. Its just not gonna happen. Very soon, it might not be in three months, but its very easy a year from now to see that he will be considered a creature of the swamp himself. To all be very disappointed, and dont blame him instead of realizing that this is just a reality of divided government. You cant have all the things you want. And theyll continue to blame the speaker. Ive seen this 1 million times, its probably gonna happen to him again. But heres the key, brendan. And we talked about this last time. They have successfully, and their own conference, imposed minority will on the conference. They have a van guardist vision of how to do this. They tried to impose a minority president on the unit