After trump trounced haley in her home state of South Carolina. But the latest primary results holds some Warning Signs for the republican president ial front runner. Asa hutchinson, the former president ial candidate, is here to discuss the election, in the future of the gop. Which he says trump is turning into a pro putin party of grievance. The toll of war. Ukraines president says 31,000 ukrainian troops have been killed since the russian invasion began two years ago yesterday. As republicans continue to block much needed military aid, we will take a closer look at potential backup plans to get ukraine the help it desperately needs. And, the maga agenda, from abortion to immigration. We will dive into how donald trump and his allies are planning extreme policies, for a possible second trump term. I am jonathan capehart, this is the sunday show. With the South Carolina republican president ial primary in the rearview mirror, all of the attention has turned to michigan. On tuesday, voters in that Battleground State will pass cast ballots in both democratic and Republican Primary contests, followed by Super Tuesday on march 5th. But Donald Trumps 20 point victory over nikki haley in her home state, underscores an undeniable political reality. Trump is all but certain to be the republican nominee. A reality that haley is choosing to avoid, for now. Last night after her defeat, she vowed, again, to stay in the race. I said earlier this week, that no matter what happens in South Carolina, i would continue to run for president. [applause] im a woman of my word. [applause] haleys Campaign Says shes raised 1 Million Dollars from small donors, just in the last 24 hours. But, nbc news has confirmed that political report that haley has also lost the Financial Support of a Conservative Super Pac, that is backed by the powerful coke network. Saying they have to take stock of their spending priorities, after her loss in South Carolina. For trumps part, he opted to ignore haley in his victory speech, and kept his focus on President Biden and the general election. According to new reporting from nbc news, a growing chorus of top advisers are urging the disgraced former president to stop fixating on personal grievance, and speak out more on policy. But lets not forget, this is the same man who, just this week, aired out this long list of grievances. I got indicted for nothing, for something that is nothing. They were doing it because its election interference. I stand before you today, not only as your past, and hopefully future president , but as a proud political dissident. I am a dissident. November 5th will be our new liberation day. But for the liars and cheaters, and fraudsters and sensors and impostors, who have commandeered our government, it will be their judgment day. They are judgment day. Joining me now, former governor of arkansas, and former republican president ial candidate asa hutchinson. Governor hutchinson, welcome back to the sunday show. Let me get your reaction to this news, that nbcs aly vitaly has confirmed, that Conservative Super Pac attached to the Koch Brothers is, what was the term, reassessing their spending priorities. How damaging is that for Governor Haley . It hurts, because they gave the coke network, through their Political Action group, the grassroots operation. They were knocking on the doors in iowa, and obviously in South Carolina. So withdrawing that hurts some of the grassroots efforts. She is still going to have the funding that is needed to proceed on, through Super Tuesday. You could see the money she is raising from the small dollar contributions, which makes all of the difference. And it really speaks volumes. But, the donors, what youve got to watch, the large donors that joined in her campaign, how long will they stick with her . So, donald trump won South Carolina, with 58. 9 of the vote. Nikki haley got 39. 5 of the vote. When i saw that number, even though it was her home state, that is significant, i think. Considering that donald trump basically is an incumbent. Am i wrong in thinking that nikki haleys 39. 5 Spells Trouble for donald trump, if indeed he does become the general election republican president ial nominee . It does. And that is the biggest challenge for donald trump, is that youve got 40 of the Republican Base, that says we would like to have an alternative. If 40 of the Democratic Base had voted against joe biden, he would have been a national story, and say hes in trouble. Well, donald trump, he has a 20 victory there, and he ought to be congratulated for that. But it also spells that hes got a lot more work to do to try to shore up the Republican Base, and the independents. In South Carolina, nikki haley beat donald trump with independent voters. That is his biggest challenge in november. And independent voters made a 21 of the South Carolina elected Republican Primary, South Carolina electorate last night. You have been critical of trump, as i said in the intro of the show, saying that he will turn the gop into a pro putin party. But hasnt that already happened, Given What Trump has said about nato, and members of congress who are parroting his line . Well, he is trying to do that. I mean clearly, he wont even criticize putin for the death of the dissidents of and so, this is a real tragedy. And it is a warning sign to the Republican Party, that you need to be wary of this. Let me emphasize that i have endorsed nikki haley. I support her, and i continue to do so. Because we have to have an alternative to donald trump, if we are going to win in november. On that, point saturday night lives cold open, they had republicans who shamelessly surrendered to trump, they were called out. Watch. This with the man doesnt care about this one iota. Sometimes i think he is downright dangerous. And you just endorsed him. Yeah, big time, big time. Trump gave you the name little marco, right . Yes. Ive never been able to shake it. People still yell at me and airports. He kind of made my life hell and you endorsed him right . Absolutely. So governor, you just mentioned, i want to show that. Because just a second, ago you mentioned how youve endorsed Governor Haley, nikki haley. You are still behind her. But if she drops out of the race, will you endorsed donald trump . Well, i am not going to support a convicted felon. And of course, that remains to be seen. So lets see who comes out of the Republican Convention. Its not done until its done. I think, what donald trump is trying to do is to wrap this nomination of very quickly, because he knows the storm clouds are gathering over him. With the multiple court cases, with the financial judgments against him. And with 40 of the Republican Base saying we want an alternative. And so, lets wait and see who comes out of the convention. But im not going to support a convicted felon. And, convicted felon. Do you have to be convicted . Lets say hes not convicted, is he someone you could still support, given the pro putin event . Given him likening himself to navalny, giving all of the things that he has said . Well, there has not been anyone more critical of donald trump and his leadership than me. I did that for a year, it didnt get me far in the president ial race, but it was a matter of conviction and strong belief about where the Republican Party needs to go. So, lets just not get ahead of the game. I am going to be fighting hard for nikki haley, weve still got a convention ahead, we will see where it goes. And, i understand that. But you know, there are folks who are watching who, im sure, are screaming at the television, why cant he just say that under no circumstances would he support donald trump . Great that youre supporting nikki haley, and hey, you could go in and write her name in in november, if donald trump is the nominee. Why not just say, he does not represent the Republican Party that ive grown up in, and that i am a part of. And just leave it at that . Well, the answer is, i have always supported the republican nominee, it is sort of a big deal to move a different direction. And i still have hope for the Republican Party. Its challenged, because i see the direction and the challenge that nikki haley has in front of her. But, we are going to work hard to see if we can change that between now in the convention. So, if stateowned. I was going to say, you have an open individual to come back to the saturday, or the sunday show, depending on what happens as we get closer to the Republican Convention in milwaukee, in july. Asa hutchison, former governor of arkansas, former republican president ial candidate, thank you very much for coming back to the sunday show. Good to be with you, thanks jonathan. And still to come on the sunday show, trump two point oh. Inside trump worlds extreme agenda, in front of its ongoing efforts to ban abortion nationwide, two disturbing plans for mass deportations and migration Detention Camps. If donald trump is elected to a second term. But first, new details on the war in ukraine, and potential backup plans to get critical u. S. Military aid to ukraine, since Congressional Republicans refused to act. And thats next. Thats next. With nurtec odt i can treat and prevent my Migraine Attacks all in one. Dont take if allergic to nurtec. Allergic reactions can occur even days after using. Most common side effects were nausea, indigestion and stomach pain. Talk to your doctor about nurtec today. What causes a curve down there . Who can treat this . Stop typing, and start talking. It could be a medical condition called peyronies disease, or pd. Youre not alone, there is hope. 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The United States focused on, also on interior questions, political questions, its a tough period, election period. And thats why its a little bit slow. But the answer is, if to give us strong advantage. We will lose less people, and we will win. Its a terrifying scenario, since republicans in congress continue to block critical aid to ukraine. So far, president zelenskyy says ukraine has lost 31,000 soldiers. And the delay in u. S. Aid has already led to major battlefield setbacks, including ukraines recent decision to withdraw from the Southern City of avdiivka. A loss that the Biden Administration has directly attributed to, quote, congressional inaction. In the meantime, alternative solutions are being considered. One strategy includes sending the estimated 300 Billion Dollars in frozen russian assets being held in the west. Joining me now, Admiral James , msnbc chief International Security and diplomacy analyst, former Supreme Commander at nato. And author of to risk it all, nine conflicts and the crucible of decision. Admiral as always, thank you for coming to the sunday show. Or the Senate Majority leader chuck schumer, just within the last hour, sent a letter to his colleagues about the looming government shutdown, focusing on the aid to ukraine. He even called on speaker johnson to go to ukraine, and see the horrors of war himself. How urgent is it for lawmakers to take action on this issue right now . It is absolutely critical. And the irony of the situation, jonathan, is that there are strong majorities in both houses of our congress, senate and the House Of Representatives, who support this aid. It is being held hostage on the republican side, in the House Of Representatives, because a small number of republicans dont believe in this. And its a position that just doesnt make sense. Here is an opportunity to spend 60 billion dollars, which is a fraction of the overall u. S. Defense budget, which is almost 900 billion dollars. Spend 60 billion, dont put a single soldier in harms way. Europeans have already contributed 60 million to this. Effectively we would be matching them. And all of it would go toward breaking the of Vladimir Putins army. That is the best return on investment for u. S. Defense spending i could think of. There have been alternative solutions floated, about ways to help ukraine. One is to hand over the russian, the russian assets that are frozen. What other options are there, if congress does not find the money . First, i do want to just draw a line under that 300 billion. Its actually a bit higher than that. It could certainly go toward the cause of ukraine, and deservedly so. They were invaded without a single moral or ethical or legal reason. So that money, by rights, in my view, are supporting ukraine in this very legitimate fight. Secondly, the europeans, they do have additional capacity, if this gets into a situation where the u. S. Continues to be incapable of doing the right thing, our european allies. I am absolutely convinced, will step up even further. And then third and finally, the ukrainians themselves have developed a fairly capable, localized arms production system. Notably for drones, other high tech aspects. They can hold on for some number of months, jonathan. Boy, lets not put them in that situation. Admiral, let me get you on a couple of other alternatives that i have seen reported. One was in the New York Times, buried in a story last weekend, about the possibility of this was being discussed in munich, the possibility of germany buying american arms, and other european countries, and then sending them to ukraine. Is that a viable option . I think it is. And oh by the way, for the congress, every dollar that you allocate to go towards ukraine, almost all of it is spent here in the United States of america. Its spent buying u. S. Weapons systems. So the proposal you are floating, jonathan, is a smart one. Which is, get the europeans to do that part of it. And that, i think, is quite palatable. Ill give you another idea, and its taking a page from history. Its when fdr faced a similar situation, before world war ii really got started. He used the land lease program, provided former used, if you will, military systems. The president could do that on his authority, and transfer those to ukraine. So yes, there are some creative ways around this. But, can we just please do the right thing, and get the money in the hands of the ukrainians . And in, the minute we have left, one thing that i am wondering. At the beginning of russias invasion of ukraine, individual americans volunteered, they went over and thought fought in ukraine. Can they do anything as private citizens, to help get military aid there . Could a private citizen by a bunch of bullets, and send them over to ukraine . I think buying the bullets would be hard. But, why not a gofundme page, led by someone like our colleague and msnbc senior chief nance, michael nance. Who has been in the fight over there, wonderful person. And, why not do that. Donald trump has raised over millions of dollars on a gofundme page. I would say this is a very just cause. That actually, a gofundme page, is an excellent idea. Someone, get on that. And admiral thank you very much, as