Good evening and welcome to a special episode of the trump indictments, donald trump is charged with 88 Felony Counts in four different jurisdictions. In this hour, we will cover the latest developments in Donald Trumps criminal cases starting with Fulton County, georgia today. We will also zoom out and reflect on whether the american Justice System has so far proven whether it can meet the challenges of, as we write in our book, the former president s attempt to politicize our corrupt not only elections, but american governance and the rule of law. Jamie raskin will join us. Later in the hour, we will flip the script and ask and msnbc anchor the important questions. Chris hayes will join us to weigh in on the medias role in the event that voters ultimately get to render a verdict on donald trump before a jury does. Our Breaking News tonight comes out of Fulton County, georgia for District Attorney fani willis has learned that she will not be disqualified from her election prosecution against donald trump. The case had been imperiled after one of Donald TrumpsCo Defendants alleged in an proffer relationship improper relationship between willis and nathan wade. After the last month saw both willis and wade take the stand to defend themselves, Fulton County judges got mcafee issued his decision today and a 23 page order and had harsh words for willis and wade, writing that the prosecution is now quote, encumbered by an Appearance Of Impropriety. This appearance is not created by near status alone but comes because of specific conduct and impacts more than a Mere NebulousPublic Interest because it concerns a public prosecutor. Even if the romantic relationship began after wades initial contract in november 2021, the District Attorney chose to continue supervising and paying wade while maintaining such a relationship. She further allowed the regular and loose exchange of money between them without any direct or verifiable measure of reconciliation. Despite the singing assessment of willis judgment, the judge concluded the defendants failed to meet the burden of proving an actual Conflict Of Interest in this case through a personal relationship with the lead prosecutor. The other alleged grounds including forensic misconduct are also denied. However, the established record now highlights a significant Appearance Of Impropriety that impacts the current structure of the prosecution team, and appearance that must be removed from the states selection of one of two options. Nathan wade exercised one of those options this afternoon when he tendered his resignation. Joining us now, we have melissa redman, a former Fulton County, georgia District Attorney and former professor at the university of Georgia School of law. Also with us is emily couplin, Criminal Defense Attorney and former federal prosecutor. Welcome. Amy lee, lets start with what should we expect next . I was reading this decision and i was left with trying to understand is one side or another going to appeal . The judge seemed to invite all sorts of Ethics Inquiries with a litany of various places that people could go to complain about what they allege happens here, and then there is the issue of is fani willis going to stay as the main supervisor of this case, or is there some option where she could get to a deputy to oversee . What you think is going to happen next . Is this the last we are going to hear of this are just the beginning of the saga . I think its a little bit of both, andrew. First of all, to appeal a decision like this in georgia requires jumping through a number of hoops. The judge would have to issue a certificate of immediate review than the court of appeals would have to agree to take the case. You saw in wednesdays ordered where the judge offered to issue a certificate of immediate review on the dismissal of the six counts. He did make the offer in this order so i think its unlikely hes going to issue the certificate so i think its as unlikely that there will be an appeal although the truck team will certainly try. In terms of Going Forward, i think the d. A. Is simply going to roll up her sleeves and continue. She has a defense, you know. 10, 11 people sign off on pleadings. Its a large office. I think there are close to 200 District Attorneys in the office. She has people she can look to. Whether or not she remains the face of prosecution is up to her but i think she will. I think rico is her special thing. She has prosecuted these cases successfully and i think she will simply go forward. I understand that those were harsh words but im sure she will heed them and just keep moving forward. So, melissa, these were really stinging words from judge mcafee, a true public scolding, if you will. Did Judge Mcafee Go Beyond in calling out the two prosecutors for their relationship, given that he actually found there was no actual Conflict Of Interest here . I do believe he went a bit far and i think that because in his ruling, the first thing he says is that it was evident the District Attorney did absolutely nothing to warrant a belief that she is prosecuting this case are pursuing this case, extending the litigation of this case for any reason other than what her fiduciary duty requires her to do, that she has no personal interest in the litigation of this case, so they are moving on then he starts discussing the Appearance Of Impropriety while he finds that whatever appearance there may have been, the defendants did not conclusively prove, would not warrant the belief that if he stays on the case perhaps the relationship could resume, perhaps it could continue to be a belief of a financial interest that he found didnt exist to warrant him requiring wades removal from the case, so i think he is kind of playing both sides in the order and i think a lot of the language is unnecessary, but ultimately, i think as harsh as the words he used it to describe the unprofessional conduct, as he described in the testimony, the thing that was key to me in that the defendants alleged is that she had a personal interest in the case resulting from this relationship and produced no evidence that was the case, so i think that is what we should focus on. Can i follow up on this . As you say, it seems like it was a bit of a gratuitous scolding. Does that prime any jury pool in Fulton County to essentially disregard, maybe discredit the things fani willis puts before them as she goes forward to prosecute this case . Has he essentially primed the jury pool to be incredulous of this d. A. As she goes forward . I think that remains to be seen. There are two things i wonder what impact that. One is how far we are from Jury Selection and how many things will play out before we even get to Jury Selection. There are many more motions to be heard, many more hearings that will take place all for everyone to see and then how much of this will judge mcafee allowed to be presented to the jury, having found that the defendants have not been prejudiced by any of these allegations, that there has been no personal interest in the litigation of this case. I dont see how it is relevant for any questions to be close to the jury about what they believe the nation of this nature of this relationship was when it started, all of these things that were in dispute that he talked about in the Appearance Of Impropriety section. I dont see how that is relevant to question the jury about and again, we are very far from Jury Selection so we will see what changes before we get there. Do you agree with that . And also, this issue melissa raises about being far from Jury Selection, what do you think . What do you think a trial could happen . I hate to put you on the spot to predict, but that is what everyone is wondering, what does this mean . Sure. To answer the first question about Jury Selection, we are going to get a pretty good idea about what the Fulton County jury thinks about the d. A. In may. She is up for reelection. The order came out after the qualification period, and we will see if she gets elected. I think she will. I think she has a lot of Popular Support within the county. Number two, how far out are we . Georges Conflict Rules look to what other cases have been set. The state this d. A. Has said she needs about a 30 day run. Right now it looks like the new york case is set to go sometime in april and the former president in the classified documents Case Affirmatively Asked For A Trial Setting In August and september after insisting it could not be tried until after the election so there is a shot. If she can jump in sometime this summer, if she can get that trial date set she can go for it, but it remains to be seen, you know. We are still seven months away from the election, and that is going to be here before we know it, unfortunately. Melissa redmon, amy lee copeland, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Good night. 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The former israeli Prime Minister served 16 months of a 27 month Prison Sentence after being convicted of fraud, corruption, and Obstruction Of Justice and in argentina, Cristina Fernandez de kirchner was, as we discussed in our book, not simply convicted in December 2022 of corruption for awarding public contracts during her presidency. She was also sentenced to six years in jail and disqualified from holding further Public Office and down in brazil, trumps Buddy Bolsonaro has also been barred from running for future office for eight years after he refused to concede his last election and his supporters then attacked his congress. Sounds familiar. Another big news today, mike pence, who defied donald trump on january 6 after he confused refused to concede said today he will not endorse trump in 2024 and that was the first question we had for congressman jamie raskin when we spoke to him earlier today. It should come as no surprise i will not be endorsing donald trump this year. I made it clear that there were profound differences between me and former President Trump on a range of issues and not just our difference on the constitutional duties that i exercised on january the sixth. Donald trump is pursuing and articulating an agenda that is at odds with the conservative agenda that we governed on during our four years and that is why i cannot in good conscience endorse donald trump in this campaign. Joining us now is democratic congressman jamie raskin of maryland, a member of the january 6 select committee and served as lead manager in the second Impeachment Trial of donald trump. Welcome. Thanks for having me. We had some Breaking News today because the Vice President for the former president announced that he would not be endorsing donald trump, which itself, is kind of amazing. Maybe it is not surprising given what Cassidy Hutchinson wrote about in her book, enough. Their calling for the president to be hanged. The president is okay with it. 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