Trenton, new jersey. Police have now apprehended the shooting suspect, 26yearold andre gordon, after hours of intense standoff he reportedly shot three of his family members, he then carjacked a driver at gunpoint and fled to new jersey where he was tracked to a home in but he somehow managed to slip out ofeh the home but was eventually apprehended nearby. Joining me now, george solis, whos on the scene in trenton, new jersey. George, what can you tell us now that the suspect has been apprehended . Reporter yeah, jonathan, we learned about this within the last 20 minutes. He somehow managed to slip by s. W. A. T. Mpresence, not to mention the fbi who had a presence here and was apprehended. Surrendered without incident, basically gave up,su and is nown police custody. One thing that was not made clear, whether he was apprehended with any weapons he may have had on him at the time of his h surrendering. So now what were seeing is the dismantling of the scene. Keep in mind, there is still a heavy Police Presence and police tape here. We have seen officers in the background congregating. Im told the mayor is also here within the vicinity, being briefed about all of this before he addresses the media in more detail about where this suspect was apprehended and his connection to the area. If i can, ill reset the scene. Authorities from bucks county telling us thisuc began with a carjacking here in the trenton area this morning before he crossed over into pennsylvania, into bucks county and carried out these three alleged murders. Then he also carjacked an individual in pennsylvania, stealing a honda crv, a suvtype, before dumping it off in this neighborhood and barricading himself in this home. Earlier, authorities telling me there were no more hostages, and it was just him inside that home and was believed to be alive. The 26yearold suspect somehow slipped by police a was apprehended, not very far from where all this is taking place. Now that he is in custody, some of the more pressing questions are, where wasng he hiding out, how did he get out, and why of course he carried out these three alleged murders, jonathan. Just to reiterate again, did police say in the information that you got, whether they found a weapon on andre gordon . Reporter that is a question wete are asking and we have not received anan answer. He was taken into custody without incident. Nbc news george solis coming to us from trenton, new jersey. Thank you very much for that report. Lets bring in dr. Errol southers, former fbi s. W. A. T. Team and member of the practice inhe national and Homeland Security at the university of southern california. Thank you for being here. Andre gordon had been holed up in that house on Phillips Avenue sinc about 12 20 eastern time. How did he manage to slip out with all that Law Enforcement presence on the ground and drones in the air . Thats a very good question. What i would have to assume is that he was not holed up in that house for the time that we thought he was there. It could very well be that when he went initially and startled everybody inside that residence that, as they were responding, police were responding and people were trying to get out that he likely walked out before that house was secure. Ou certainly before the perimeter was secure. Et and may have actually walked amongst the people, the residents in that neighbor mood neighborhood. He has the presence of mind to get out before the perimeter was set up and was successful in doing so andfu fortunately did t take anyone else hostage or hurt anyone else in the process. As we said, the suspect was apprehended alive. What do you think went into, maybe not the negotiations to end thene standoff, but how, i mean, he was apprehended alive. The question is whether there was a weapon him or not. But how did we get to a peaceful resolution of this situation . Well, as was mentioned previously, patience, certainly, if there was a conversation with him, trying to reason with him. Unfortunately, everyone he had some Ay Relationship to him. So it seems that he was very intent on harming people that he knew and not harming anyone else, even in the carjacking and the Othern Crimes that he committed along the way. G so it also appeared that he did not want to take his own life nor be killed by the police. Sod theres a conversation you can have, and they obviously did have if he was still in there with them, that there was no reason for anyone else to lose their life, including him. And thats the kind of conversation you would have with a person like that is empathy and trying to reason with them to give up. Mmhm. Dr. Southers, the suspect is reportedly homeless. Im just wondering, how might he have gotten an ar15 and from whom . That will a be the question everybody will need b to answer right off, and thats how this all starts. As you put this forensic information together as now we look toward prosecution, it will start with a trail and a timeline with the very first crime, which was the carjacking. Was he armed . Was he armed with the alleged weapon that we described. How did he get it . Was it purchased legally . Was it obtained illegally . As you mentioned, he was an unhoused a individual. Did he have the resources to obtain a weapon like that . Was it taken in one of the other crimes . This is going to be a very important question as to how he obtained that weapon and most importantly, how was it used along the way with regards to the Killing Spree that happened this afternoon. All right, thank you very much for coming to The Saturday Show and lending your perspective on this Breaking News saturday. Up next. Republicans are left scrambling as their Impeachment Probe against President Biden runs on fumes. What the white house is demanding now and how Speaker Mike Johnson is responding. 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He called out republicans failure to produce any evidence that links biden to any crime, even after theyve reportedly collected more than 100,000 pages of records, interviewed dozens of witnesses and held public hearings. And dont forget, their essential witness, the socalled highly credible witness, Vladimir Smirnoff was arrested for lying to the fbi. Just this week, the House Speaker admitted that hes not paying much attention to the investigation or the socalled evidence. To be very transparent and honest, because ive been busy with all my other responsibilities, i have not taken the time to do the deep dive into the evidence. What has been uncovered is alarming. There are a lot of things we believe have violated the law. Does it reach the high crimes, treason, high crimes Misdemeanor Standard . Everyone will have to make that evaluation when we pull all the evidence together and evaluate that. Mmhm. Joining me is robert garcia, member of the House Oversight committee and thank you for coming to The Saturday Show. I see you shaking your head. So articulate your reaction to the speakers comments there. I mean, look, it is time for this Impeachment Sham to be over. I mean mike johnson can barely keep a majority. Republicans retiring right and left. Weve known day one this entire impeachment stunt is about damaging President Biden and helping donald trump get reelected. And like you noted, the, you know, long list of witnesses that have been brought forward have ended up being chinese spies, disgraced former mafia bosses, Business People that are in jail, Rudy Giuliani conspiracy theorists. So this whole thing has been a complete joke. It is time to move forward. Im really glad that the white house sent that letter, because we have essentially wasted months and months and months of time we could actually be doing work for the American People on essentially this donald trump expedition. And i want to remind people as well. This entire impeachment stunt started with Marjorie Taylor green. She actually filed those initial impeachment papers against President Biden. So this is all the far right extreme magas trying to get their point across, trying to damage the president , but this is over, and its time to move on. If i remember correctly, congresswoman green filed those articles like day two of the biden presidency . Right, so politico and New York Times reported that House Republicans are looking for some type of backup plan, including issuing criminal referrals against President Biden. How can they issue referrals without any evidence that the president committed a crime. The modern Republican Party doesnt care about evidence or facts or truth. They are completely warped in their world view of doing whatever it takes to support their orange king, donald trump. I mean, that is what they obsessed about. So the facts dont matter. And weve been arguing, and myself included. If were going to talk about real corruption or real crime, then republicans need to look in the mirror and start investigating Jared Kushner who got a 2 billion payout from the saudi government and is starting to put together much larger Land Acquisition deals with foreign governments. This whole impeachment effort is a projection. The corruption lies deeply within what happened in the trump white house. The president is trying to do his job. This Impeachment Sham is over. Mike johnson needs to do the right thing and move on. We have a lot of work to do. You have been one of the members of congress who keeps trying to shine the spotlight on Jared Kushner when it comes to alleged corruption. Lets switch gears and talk about tiktok. Because on wednesday, the house passed with an overwhelming bipartisan majority, passed a bill that would force tiktoks chinese owner, bytedance, to either sell tiktok or face a ban in the United States. The Driving Reason is that the Social Media Platform poses a National Security risk. You voted against the bill. Does that mean those National Security concerns are overblown . Why did you vote no . Yeah, i mean, i joined, you know, 50 other democrats, and also i joined the highestranking democrat on the Intelligence Committee who made very clear that there was not yet any sort of National Security concern over our data and chinese government, who of course are adversaries and were competitive with. But lets be honest about whats happening. We have an app that 170 million americans use. One third of all americans on tiktok. It is a huge way that people communicate, and yes, there are real data privacy concerns, and yes, there are concerns about our data, but thats the case on every platform, whether its meta and facebook or x. We saw what happened on facebook in the last election cycle. So this idea that were going to target this one Social Media Platform, without yet any direct evidence that our data is being manipulated by the chinese government, i think is the absolute wrong approach. I voted no. I voted a strong no. I think its really important at this moment that we focus on data broadly, but to single out an app, particularly the main space where young people are communicating every day, i think is a huge, not just policy mistake, its also a huge political mistake. And so im urging the senate to slow this down. This was the fastestmoving bill that i have seen in my one year in congress. And from what i hear from more veteran members, they dont remember a bill moving so fast through the floor. And so i am very concerned. We all share the Data Concerns because of a better approach of what we just did. Im a nonmember of congress, and i can tell you, ive never seen a bill move that fast through congress in my 17 years of following congress here in washington. But you mentioned the political problem here, you know. President biden said he would sign the bill if it passes the senate. So would that be a political mistake especially in the eyes of young voters . I think its a political mistake to go forward with this process without any sort of guarantee that this would not lead to a disruption of service or a ban. There is no guarantee in the bill that we wont end up at a ban of tiktok or certainly not a disruption for a period of time. You know, imagine a service that is being used by 170 million americans, and the main source of communication for young people across this country, and all of a sudden, that is interrupted. We know who young people are going to assign blame to in that instance. Weve got to be very careful. The senates got to take its time. And weve got to ensure that people understand that for so many people, tiktok is the way they communicate. Its where young people gather. 7 million americans use tiktok as their main source of income for their Small Business. Millions of other businesses and Small Business owners rely on tiktok to actually get referrals. So i just dont know that all my colleagues in congress understand the power of this social media tool. Yes, we should be concerned. Yes, theres data privacy issues, but this bill was not the right approach. As always, thank you for coming to The Saturday Show. 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