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Jan sings live at mechanics in new york. Former President Drum tries to find some way to fight that 464 million Fraud Judgment against him. What no bond means for a potential appeal and his business empire. A lot has changed since President Biden and israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last spoke. Thousands have died. Private disputes about the direction of the war have started spilling out into the public. Among the topics discussed today, israels possible invasion of rafah which President Biden has said would be a red line. Oral arguments in front of the Supreme Court turn tense as the justices hear arguments on the latest case testing the limits of free speech in the internet era. The potential impact on disinformation online coming up. We start with former President Donald Trump unable to obtain a bond to satisfy the 463 million bond. Traums lawyers say theyve got to 30 different companies, but none of them will put up the bond which would actually require collateral representing roughly 120 of the judgment. Thats more than half a billion dollars. A big Sticking Point they say, most Companies Want cash or Cash Equivalents to cover the bond. They wont accept trumps real estate as collateral. Joining us from scottsdale, arizona, nbcs Vaughn Hillyard who has been following the former president , and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner. Thanks, guys, for joining us. Vaughn, tell us more about trumps trouble obtaining this bond and what hes now asking of the court. Reporter ana, as it stands right now donald trump has to in the form of cash or in the form of a bond put up more than 450 million by next monday, march 25th. What this motion from his attorney is seeking the do, the new york Appellate Court, asking the court to issue a stay from him having to put up more than 450 million. As part of this filing, of course, you hear Donald Trumps attorney suggest there were no victims, that there was nobody that lost money stemming from his business practices. Judge engoran pushed back against that, that led to this decision to force donald trump to pay more than 450 million in damages. In this filing, Donald Trumps attorney said they went to more than 30 surety companies. No one was willing to put up this appeal bond. Look at part of the 29 pages from Donald Trumps attorney in which theyre asking for the stay. In part they write, quote, defendants ongoing diligent efforts have proven that a bond in the judgments full amount is a, quote, practical impossibility. A Bond Requirement of this enormous magnitude effectively requiring Cash Reserves approaching 1 billion is unprecedented for a private company. The problem for donald trump is that new York Attorney general Letitia James has already said if he doesnt put up the bond or the cash by this monday, march 25th, shell seek to begin seizing his assets that include his properties right there in manhattan. Ana. Glenn, now hes asking for the Appellate Court to pause the judgment. Do you think they will . Can he still appeal the judgment if they dont . An nar, without wanting to turn this into a law school class, theres a really interesting battle going on in the middle of this new court filing. In this filing Donald Trumps lawyers say, well, look, tish james says, the Attorney General for new york, that the Appellate Court does not have the authority under the authority and the law of new york state to stay the execution of him, either having him pay out the judgment or filing a bond to secure the full amount of the judgment. Donald trump says, oh, shes dead wrong. They actually do have the authority, but when you actually read through the brief, donald trump engages in a little bait and switch. He cites all federal cases standing for the proposition that the new york Appellate Court has the authority. The problem is this is a new York State Court proceeding. He cites no cases in the New York State Law. To answer your question, i dont think hes going to win on trying to convince the Appellate Court to somehow modify the requirement that he either put up a bond or execute the judgment in full. He will still be able to appeal, but tish james will be able to move to the next stage which will be seizing his assets in the event he cant pay in full or put up a bond to secure the full amount. What does that mean, seizing his assets . Shes going to take away his businesses, take away trump tower . Yeah. She will use the procedures available under New York State Law, get warrants of seizure. She can put leans on his property. She can garnish wages if he had any wages. I do think at the end of the day you will see tish james and the state of new york actually seizing and taking possession of some of his real property. And then she can sell it off to satisfy the Money Judgment. This will involve employing the courts to make sure all of this is done in accordance with New York State Law procedures. Tish james has made clear that will be the next step in trying to make sure that the interests of the people of new york are protected and that this Money Judgment is satisfied. Glenn, as trump tries to appeal his judgment altogether and the verdict in the civil fraud trial, hes using a lot of the same arguments with the Appellate Court that we saw him use at trial, that there were no victims, no damages, no financial losses. Is that a strong argument . No. Thats more for the court of Public Opinion than for a court of law. He is forever pulling out the claim that there are no victims. First of all, this is not a Violent Crime case. So its not like you have what we would traditionally think of as victims. The actual point here is donald trump engaged in business fraud, this sort of victims argument is almost beside the point and clearly a red herring. Donald trump lied to Financial Institutions to get more favorable loan terms than he would have been entitled to had he given those institutions accurate valuations of his property. So they could have charged different interest rates. So the banks were certainly damaged. They were defrauded out of not only money they could have received from donald trump in the event they decided to extend the loan, but from loaning to other businesses. The whole victims line is not persuasive. The reality is judge engoron found that donald trump engaged in longterm business fraught and thats what i think donald trump wants to distract everybody from. Glenn kirschner, thank you very much. Vaughn, stay with us. Politically, former President Trump doubling down, even tripling down on dark and divisive rhetoric. A potential sign of whats to come as he kicks off his first full week as the Presumptive Republican president ial nominee. At a single lengthy rally over the weekend trump called undocumented immigrants animals, saying they are not people. He also talked about pardoning, quote, patriots from january 6th. He predicted that, if he is not elected, it could be the end of democracy as we know it. But it was his use of the word bloodbath during a riff about chinese Car Manufacturers thats creating the biggest headlines and headaches for his campaign. Were going to put a 100 tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and youre not going to be able to sell those cars. If i get elected if i dont get elected, its going to be a bloodbath. Thats going to be the least of it. Its going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it. But theyre not going to sell those cars. So those were the full remarks this morning. Trump claimed the media is taking his comments out of context and he was only talking about a bloodbath for the Auto Industry. The Biden Campaign every single day donald trump is promoting, endorsing and encouraging Political Violence on the stump. Vaughn hillyard is back with us. Also joining us now, senior msnbc Political Analyst and former Bush Cheney Campaign strategist matthew dowd. Vaughn, you have covered trump for a long time. Was this speech unusually dark . Reporter frankly, no, ana. It was par for the course. I think for donald trump at each of these rallies, he frames this 2024 election as the in his understanding, his interpretation of democracy, the potential end of it if he were to not win. Of course, when you talk to folks in these crowds repeatedly you hear folks say the election in 2020 was stolen. That if in 2024 it is stolen from donald trump again, there will be severe consequences. Donald trump repeatedly calls this 2024 election the final battle. Of course, this is the same man who called for the suspension of the u. S. Constitution. He called for himself to be reinstalled into the white house. Donald trump has spoken about these next 7 1 2 months in very dire terms. Just in the last 24 hours on his social media account, he called for the prosecution, the arrest of liz cheney as well as the entire January 6th Select Committee that went through on capitol hill with those hearings about his involvement around the january 6th attack. So for donald trump, while the Bloodbath Comments he, yes, is making the case he was talking about the u. S. Auto industry. For the entire picture in which we look at his remarks, youve also got to take into account that he was calling those individuals who attacked the capitol on january 6th patriots. Just last week he called for the release of the january 6th defendants. These are individuals who are on video and under our Justice System were alleged to have beaten and physically assaulted police officers. On one hand, he may have been talking about the u. S. Auto industry. On the other donald trump is somebody who speaks about the election and our political fate in very dire, dark terms, ana. Thats right. Matthew, there was the Bloodbath Comments. Here is what else he said, just about 15 minutes later in this same rally speech. If this election isnt won, im not sure youll ever have another election in this country. Does that make sense . I dont think youre going to have another election in this country. If we dont win this election, i dont think youll have another election or certainly not an election thats meaningful. So in both of these remarks, matthew, trump you could say walks up to that rhetorical line and maybe leaves things open for interpretation just a bit. What do you think these remarks mean, especially as we go into the election season deeper and deeper, closer to november . First of all, i want to say, when donald trump talks about the threats to democracy, its the ultimate in the art of projection in this, because the biggest threat is what hes been doing over the course of the last three or four years in undermining democracy. For him to say democracy is going to go away if he loses is quite the projection. I also want to follow up with something vaughn said. The idea that donald trump here, a person that has praised Vladimir Putin and kim jongun, that has encouraged blood being spilled at the january 6th rally, is about the art of retribution in the course of this. Somehow were supposed to be confused by his comments about bloodbath or that they meant Something Else when every single thin, as vaughn has said, has laid out exactly what he wants to do and how he wants to do it. Not the least of which he said hed like to be a dictator for a day if he gets reelected. I think donald trump ill give him credit for something, though he tries to back off or the campaign tries to back off. He shows us who he is and the threat he poses to the american constitutional democracy today. Again, ill just reiterate. The idea that hes worried about democracy because the democrats may win in this election is so much projection. Matthew, lets just for a minute take trumps word for it, that he was talking about the Auto Industry when he talked about bloodbath. As far as the Biden Campaign response, they could take a couple different paths here. One, they could talk about the facts that trumps tariffs cost nearly a quarter million jobs. Or they can focus not on exactly that and the substance, but they can focus more on the rhetoric, and that seems to be the strategy theyre taking. Is it the right strategy . Well, i believe it is. Any Campaign Like this, to present the American Public, what are the next four years going to look like . Thats incumbent on joe biden to present. What does america look like and what is it going to be like in a President Trump second term if he gets elected, and contrast what that would be in a joe biden election and not delve down into try to line up the ten top facts and compare it to this. When people have an emotional connection to something and theres great emotional connection in this election on both sides, interestingly, you cant change the mind with a rational argument. I believe the best tactic and the best strategy for the Biden Campaign is to say here is what a Trump Presidency will be like and this is how its going to affect your life, and present it in stark terms, and let the American Public decide based on those terms who they want going forward. Matthew, theres new reporting in the Washington Post that trump wants to bring back Paul Manafort to his campaign. Lets remind folks this is the man who worked with trump in 2016. He was later convicted on bank and tax fraud. Then he was pardoned, and then he passed Campaign Information to the russians we learned. A report, in fact, from a Senate Bipartisan committee found, quote, manaforts presence on the campaign in proximity to trump created opportunities for Russian Intelligence Services to exert influence over and acquire confidential information on the trump campaign. So why would you want this guy anywhere near the 2024 campaign . Its like felons are us, opening felons are us in the course of this. It doesnt surprise me that donald trump who, as you know and have been reporting on, 91 indictments on various felonies across the board. Your leadin to this was another of financial fraud in the course of this. I think this demonstrates what donald trump wants, and i would argue that Paul Manafort wouldnt be a competent campaign person. Hes not demonstrated his competency much over the course of the last two or three decades. Donald trump wants loyalty more than anything else. I think he believes that Paul Manafort, by not sort of testifying against him or not presenting evidence against donald trump, he believes hes a loyal person. That to me is what youre going to see over and over again. Probably will be reflected in his Vice President ial pick, loyalty more than anything else. Not competency, not loyalty to the constitution and United States of america, but loyalty to donald trump. And that trumps, not to use a play on words, every other value or attribute that one would think youd look for in a staff or cabinet or Vice President , loyalty to donald trump is preeminent. Matthew dowd, appreciate your perspective. Thanks so much for joining us. President Biden Today Holding Talks with israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu amid growing tensions between the two nations, and following yet another raid on gazas largest hospital. The details in just 60 seconds. S breathing claritin clear is like. is he . Confidently Walking 8 Long Haired Dogs and living as if he doesnt have allergies . Yeah. Fast relief of your worst allergy symptoms, like nasal congestion. Pain hits fast. So get relief fast. Only Tylenol Rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. They release Medicine Fast for fast pain relief. And now, get max strength topical pain relief precisely where you need it. With new tylenol precise. This is juanas smile. And this is her john deere 1 President Drum<\/a> tries to find some way to fight that 464 million Fraud Judgment<\/a> against him. What no bond means for a potential appeal and his business empire. A lot has changed since President Biden<\/a> and israeli Prime Minister<\/a> Benjamin Netanyahu<\/a> last spoke. Thousands have died. Private disputes about the direction of the war have started spilling out into the public. Among the topics discussed today, israels possible invasion of rafah which President Biden<\/a> has said would be a red line. Oral arguments in front of the Supreme Court<\/a> turn tense as the justices hear arguments on the latest case testing the limits of free speech in the internet era. The potential impact on disinformation online coming up. We start with former President Donald Trump<\/a> unable to obtain a bond to satisfy the 463 million bond. Traums lawyers say theyve got to 30 different companies, but none of them will put up the bond which would actually require collateral representing roughly 120 of the judgment. Thats more than half a billion dollars. A big Sticking Point<\/a> they say, most Companies Want<\/a> cash or Cash Equivalents<\/a> to cover the bond. They wont accept trumps real estate as collateral. Joining us from scottsdale, arizona, nbcs Vaughn Hillyard<\/a> who has been following the former president , and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner. Thanks, guys, for joining us. Vaughn, tell us more about trumps trouble obtaining this bond and what hes now asking of the court. Reporter ana, as it stands right now donald trump has to in the form of cash or in the form of a bond put up more than 450 million by next monday, march 25th. What this motion from his attorney is seeking the do, the new york Appellate Court<\/a>, asking the court to issue a stay from him having to put up more than 450 million. As part of this filing, of course, you hear Donald Trumps<\/a> attorney suggest there were no victims, that there was nobody that lost money stemming from his business practices. Judge engoran pushed back against that, that led to this decision to force donald trump to pay more than 450 million in damages. In this filing, Donald Trumps<\/a> attorney said they went to more than 30 surety companies. No one was willing to put up this appeal bond. Look at part of the 29 pages from Donald Trumps<\/a> attorney in which theyre asking for the stay. In part they write, quote, defendants ongoing diligent efforts have proven that a bond in the judgments full amount is a, quote, practical impossibility. A Bond Requirement<\/a> of this enormous magnitude effectively requiring Cash Reserves<\/a> approaching 1 billion is unprecedented for a private company. The problem for donald trump is that new York Attorney<\/a> general Letitia James<\/a> has already said if he doesnt put up the bond or the cash by this monday, march 25th, shell seek to begin seizing his assets that include his properties right there in manhattan. Ana. Glenn, now hes asking for the Appellate Court<\/a> to pause the judgment. Do you think they will . Can he still appeal the judgment if they dont . An nar, without wanting to turn this into a law school class, theres a really interesting battle going on in the middle of this new court filing. In this filing Donald Trumps<\/a> lawyers say, well, look, tish james says, the Attorney General<\/a> for new york, that the Appellate Court<\/a> does not have the authority under the authority and the law of new york state to stay the execution of him, either having him pay out the judgment or filing a bond to secure the full amount of the judgment. Donald trump says, oh, shes dead wrong. They actually do have the authority, but when you actually read through the brief, donald trump engages in a little bait and switch. He cites all federal cases standing for the proposition that the new york Appellate Court<\/a> has the authority. The problem is this is a new York State Court<\/a> proceeding. He cites no cases in the New York State Law<\/a>. To answer your question, i dont think hes going to win on trying to convince the Appellate Court<\/a> to somehow modify the requirement that he either put up a bond or execute the judgment in full. He will still be able to appeal, but tish james will be able to move to the next stage which will be seizing his assets in the event he cant pay in full or put up a bond to secure the full amount. What does that mean, seizing his assets . Shes going to take away his businesses, take away trump tower . Yeah. She will use the procedures available under New York State Law<\/a>, get warrants of seizure. She can put leans on his property. She can garnish wages if he had any wages. I do think at the end of the day you will see tish james and the state of new york actually seizing and taking possession of some of his real property. And then she can sell it off to satisfy the Money Judgment<\/a>. This will involve employing the courts to make sure all of this is done in accordance with New York State Law<\/a> procedures. Tish james has made clear that will be the next step in trying to make sure that the interests of the people of new york are protected and that this Money Judgment<\/a> is satisfied. Glenn, as trump tries to appeal his judgment altogether and the verdict in the civil fraud trial, hes using a lot of the same arguments with the Appellate Court<\/a> that we saw him use at trial, that there were no victims, no damages, no financial losses. Is that a strong argument . No. Thats more for the court of Public Opinion<\/a> than for a court of law. He is forever pulling out the claim that there are no victims. First of all, this is not a Violent Crime<\/a> case. So its not like you have what we would traditionally think of as victims. The actual point here is donald trump engaged in business fraud, this sort of victims argument is almost beside the point and clearly a red herring. Donald trump lied to Financial Institutions<\/a> to get more favorable loan terms than he would have been entitled to had he given those institutions accurate valuations of his property. So they could have charged different interest rates. So the banks were certainly damaged. They were defrauded out of not only money they could have received from donald trump in the event they decided to extend the loan, but from loaning to other businesses. The whole victims line is not persuasive. The reality is judge engoron found that donald trump engaged in longterm business fraught and thats what i think donald trump wants to distract everybody from. Glenn kirschner, thank you very much. Vaughn, stay with us. Politically, former President Trump<\/a> doubling down, even tripling down on dark and divisive rhetoric. A potential sign of whats to come as he kicks off his first full week as the Presumptive Republican<\/a> president ial nominee. At a single lengthy rally over the weekend trump called undocumented immigrants animals, saying they are not people. He also talked about pardoning, quote, patriots from january 6th. He predicted that, if he is not elected, it could be the end of democracy as we know it. But it was his use of the word bloodbath during a riff about chinese Car Manufacturers<\/a> thats creating the biggest headlines and headaches for his campaign. Were going to put a 100 tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and youre not going to be able to sell those cars. If i get elected if i dont get elected, its going to be a bloodbath. Thats going to be the least of it. Its going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it. But theyre not going to sell those cars. So those were the full remarks this morning. Trump claimed the media is taking his comments out of context and he was only talking about a bloodbath for the Auto Industry<\/a>. The Biden Campaign<\/a> every single day donald trump is promoting, endorsing and encouraging Political Violence<\/a> on the stump. Vaughn hillyard is back with us. Also joining us now, senior msnbc Political Analyst<\/a> and former Bush Cheney Campaign<\/a> strategist matthew dowd. Vaughn, you have covered trump for a long time. Was this speech unusually dark . Reporter frankly, no, ana. It was par for the course. I think for donald trump at each of these rallies, he frames this 2024 election as the in his understanding, his interpretation of democracy, the potential end of it if he were to not win. Of course, when you talk to folks in these crowds repeatedly you hear folks say the election in 2020 was stolen. That if in 2024 it is stolen from donald trump again, there will be severe consequences. Donald trump repeatedly calls this 2024 election the final battle. Of course, this is the same man who called for the suspension of the u. S. Constitution. He called for himself to be reinstalled into the white house. Donald trump has spoken about these next 7 1 2 months in very dire terms. Just in the last 24 hours on his social media account, he called for the prosecution, the arrest of liz cheney as well as the entire January 6th Select Committee<\/a> that went through on capitol hill with those hearings about his involvement around the january 6th attack. So for donald trump, while the Bloodbath Comments<\/a> he, yes, is making the case he was talking about the u. S. Auto industry. For the entire picture in which we look at his remarks, youve also got to take into account that he was calling those individuals who attacked the capitol on january 6th patriots. Just last week he called for the release of the january 6th defendants. These are individuals who are on video and under our Justice System<\/a> were alleged to have beaten and physically assaulted police officers. On one hand, he may have been talking about the u. S. Auto industry. On the other donald trump is somebody who speaks about the election and our political fate in very dire, dark terms, ana. Thats right. Matthew, there was the Bloodbath Comments<\/a>. Here is what else he said, just about 15 minutes later in this same rally speech. If this election isnt won, im not sure youll ever have another election in this country. Does that make sense . I dont think youre going to have another election in this country. If we dont win this election, i dont think youll have another election or certainly not an election thats meaningful. So in both of these remarks, matthew, trump you could say walks up to that rhetorical line and maybe leaves things open for interpretation just a bit. What do you think these remarks mean, especially as we go into the election season deeper and deeper, closer to november . First of all, i want to say, when donald trump talks about the threats to democracy, its the ultimate in the art of projection in this, because the biggest threat is what hes been doing over the course of the last three or four years in undermining democracy. For him to say democracy is going to go away if he loses is quite the projection. I also want to follow up with something vaughn said. The idea that donald trump here, a person that has praised Vladimir Putin<\/a> and kim jongun, that has encouraged blood being spilled at the january 6th rally, is about the art of retribution in the course of this. Somehow were supposed to be confused by his comments about bloodbath or that they meant Something Else<\/a> when every single thin, as vaughn has said, has laid out exactly what he wants to do and how he wants to do it. Not the least of which he said hed like to be a dictator for a day if he gets reelected. I think donald trump ill give him credit for something, though he tries to back off or the campaign tries to back off. He shows us who he is and the threat he poses to the american constitutional democracy today. Again, ill just reiterate. The idea that hes worried about democracy because the democrats may win in this election is so much projection. Matthew, lets just for a minute take trumps word for it, that he was talking about the Auto Industry<\/a> when he talked about bloodbath. As far as the Biden Campaign<\/a> response, they could take a couple different paths here. One, they could talk about the facts that trumps tariffs cost nearly a quarter million jobs. Or they can focus not on exactly that and the substance, but they can focus more on the rhetoric, and that seems to be the strategy theyre taking. Is it the right strategy . Well, i believe it is. Any Campaign Like<\/a> this, to present the American Public<\/a>, what are the next four years going to look like . Thats incumbent on joe biden to present. What does america look like and what is it going to be like in a President Trump<\/a> second term if he gets elected, and contrast what that would be in a joe biden election and not delve down into try to line up the ten top facts and compare it to this. When people have an emotional connection to something and theres great emotional connection in this election on both sides, interestingly, you cant change the mind with a rational argument. I believe the best tactic and the best strategy for the Biden Campaign<\/a> is to say here is what a Trump Presidency<\/a> will be like and this is how its going to affect your life, and present it in stark terms, and let the American Public<\/a> decide based on those terms who they want going forward. Matthew, theres new reporting in the Washington Post<\/a> that trump wants to bring back Paul Manafort<\/a> to his campaign. Lets remind folks this is the man who worked with trump in 2016. He was later convicted on bank and tax fraud. Then he was pardoned, and then he passed Campaign Information<\/a> to the russians we learned. A report, in fact, from a Senate Bipartisan<\/a> committee found, quote, manaforts presence on the campaign in proximity to trump created opportunities for Russian Intelligence Services<\/a> to exert influence over and acquire confidential information on the trump campaign. So why would you want this guy anywhere near the 2024 campaign . Its like felons are us, opening felons are us in the course of this. It doesnt surprise me that donald trump who, as you know and have been reporting on, 91 indictments on various felonies across the board. Your leadin to this was another of financial fraud in the course of this. I think this demonstrates what donald trump wants, and i would argue that Paul Manafort<\/a> wouldnt be a competent campaign person. Hes not demonstrated his competency much over the course of the last two or three decades. Donald trump wants loyalty more than anything else. I think he believes that Paul Manafort<\/a>, by not sort of testifying against him or not presenting evidence against donald trump, he believes hes a loyal person. That to me is what youre going to see over and over again. Probably will be reflected in his Vice President<\/a> ial pick, loyalty more than anything else. Not competency, not loyalty to the constitution and United States<\/a> of america, but loyalty to donald trump. And that trumps, not to use a play on words, every other value or attribute that one would think youd look for in a staff or cabinet or Vice President<\/a> , loyalty to donald trump is preeminent. Matthew dowd, appreciate your perspective. Thanks so much for joining us. 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You just have to get in the seat. Learn more at johndeere. Com getintheseat welcome back. Today for the first time in more than a month, President Biden<\/a> spoke with israeli Prime Minister<\/a> Benjamin Netanyahu<\/a>. Now, the relationship between these two leaders has grown increasingly tense recently as Israel Presses<\/a> ahead with its plan to invade the Southern Gaza<\/a> city of rafah, ignoring white house demands for a credible plan to protect the nearly 2 million Palestinian Civilians<\/a> there. The rift made even wider by Senate Majority<\/a> leader Chuck Schumer<\/a>, the highest ranking jewish elected official in american history. Last week youll recall he called for new elections in israel to replace the far right government. Those comments netanyahu just dismissed as totally inappropriate. The conversation comes amid new concerns over gazas largest medical facility, al shifa. The Israeli Military<\/a> launching a second raid on that hospital overnight saying senior hamas members had regrouped there and were using it as a command center. Joining us now, nbcs Matt Bradley In London<\/a> and allie raffa at the white house for us. Allie, what do we know about the conversation between President Biden<\/a> and Prime Minister<\/a> netanyahu today . Reporter ana, the white house about an hour ago announcing that President Biden<\/a> and Benjamin Netanyahu<\/a> shared their 20th call since the israelhamas war began over five months ago now. This is the longest gap in communication between these two as it has been over a month since the two have shared a conversation. Were still awaiting a full readout of this call. We expect to learn more about it during the White House Press<\/a> briefing in 15 to 20 minutes where National Security<\/a> adviser Jake Sullivan<\/a> is also expected to attend. The white house says these two talked about the situation in rafah, as you mentioned, Prime Minister<\/a> netanyahu in the last couple days signing off on a plan for the israelis to invade that area where over 1 million palestinians have been sheltering. The president and u. S. Officials have repeatedly stressed that they want to see a robust plan for the israelis to protect and evacuate those civilians before any Ground Invasion<\/a> of raffa would take place. As a matter of fact, we know u. S. Officials are considering how they would respond if a Ground Invasion<\/a> of rafah were to take place without a Security Plan<\/a> in place for those civilians. We also know from the white house these two talked about ongoing efforts to get more humanitarian aid into gaza. No doubt these two talked about the u. S. Militaryled effort to build that floating port off the coast of gaza to more directly get humanitarian aid into that region. So the backdrop that this call comes against, ana, is extremely notable. As you mentioned in the intro there, this is representing really a widening rift between these two men. You think of the bear hug we saw President Biden<\/a> give Prime Minister<\/a> netanyahu when he visited israel shortly after the war began, and now youre seeing as recently as just a few days ago, the president praising Chuck Schumer<\/a> for the speech he delivered on the senate floor in which he called for new elections in israel. He calls Prime Minister<\/a> netanyahu an obstacle for peace. This is extremely notable as weve seen the tension that originally we knew was taking place in private. Weve seen that spill into public view in the wake of this widening rift between these two leaders. Again, we expect to learn more about what was talked about in the phone call in the next few minutes, ana. We were just looking at the podium as we anticipate those remarks and potentially more information on what was discussed. Matt, i understand we did hear from netanyahu today. Whats he saying . Reporter in addition to that phone call allie was describing, the Prime Minister<\/a> once again defended the invasion of the gaza strip. He spoke about the provision of aid to the gaza strip, something he said the israelis have been doing. This comes as were hearing even more dire warnings than weve heard in the past few weeks that famine in gaza is imminent. Weve heard this from International Aid<\/a> organizations. The World Food Program<\/a> said famine is imminent and the entire gaza strip is facing Food Insecurity<\/a> or worse. Netanyahu also defended his and his militarys plan to push their invasion of gaza into rafah, what allie was describing, a town on gazas Southern Border<\/a> with egypt. Some 1. 5 million palestinians were told to go there by the israelis for safety. Theyre warning a Ground Invasion<\/a> of rafah would lead to huge losses of civilian lives. Here is what netanyahu said when he addressed reporters today. The people of israel are united in finishing, getting into rafah, finishing hamas. And theyre united in that we dont want the pa there. The picture presented in the last few days and weeks in the United States<\/a> is completely different than what i just described. The picture is you have an outlying minister. Deliberately false. They know its false. That falsehood is perpetrated. There is unity among the people to achieve victory along the lines i described. It is within reach and were going to do it. Reporter ana, those references he made to unity and other issues firing back in a not so veiled reference to the comments from Chuck Schumer<\/a> last week. That stunned many people when he said last week that the israelis should hold new elections, presumably to replace netanyahu. This just widened the rift between the Biden Administration<\/a> and the netanyahu administration. We cant forget about all the hostages still being held. More than 100 hostages since october 7th are still in hamas custody as far as we know. We know negotiators are searching for some kind of breakthrough on a hostage deal and ceasefire. Where do the talks stand right now . Well, ana, they stand. That is remarkable considering how many stops and starts weve been hearing over the last sefrlt months. We had the successful deal back in november. Weve seen the parties getting together, coming up with a plan only to see it being rejected. This happens time and time again. Now were seeing all the parties this time in dohar, were seeing the israelis arriving today, joining egyptian negotiators, negotiators from qatar and from the United States<\/a>. Theyre trying to ink some kind of deal, but according to the Wall Street Journal<\/a>, this is really the last attempt. If theres not a deal here, it looks like israel will go ahead with its invasion of rafah and the idea for a negotiated release of hostages will be next. All right, matt. Keep us posted. In russia, Vladimir Putin<\/a> has extended his rule for another six years. In a highly orchestrated election without any real opposition, putin received more than 87 of the vote according to russias election commission. More than ten points higher than last time he stood for election. In a late night victory press conference, putin said the Landslide Result<\/a> was an indication of his countrys trust in him. In response to a question from nbc news, putin for the first time commented on the mysterious death of his fiercest rival, Alexei Navalny<\/a>. Nbcs Matt Voder In<\/a> is joining us. Keir simmons asked the question that led to this. A very good question from keir simmons that had an interesting response from President Putin<\/a>. The big headline being that he says he was open, he accepted a proposal for a trade of Alexei Navalny<\/a> for a nonspecified individual or individuals in western custody. While he was answering this question, he actually for the first time on camera that apparently anyone can point to mentioned navalny by name. This is quite an incredible thing to hang on to when you consider just how long navalny had been his main opponent before his death last month in more than a decade. An interesting thing, he said other things, of course. The main takeaway from yesterdays speech was this message to russians and the world that this election shows pure and simple that russia is united behind him and behind the war. Directly in response to keir simmons question, he also mentioned that the opposition just isnt very good at politics. I want you guys to take a look at the question and hear more from President Putin<\/a> himself. Mr. President , journalist Evan Gershkovich<\/a> spent this election in prison. Boris who opposes your war in ukraine, wasnt allowed to stand against you. And Alexei Navalny<\/a> died in one of your prisons during your campaign. President trump, is this what you called democracy . As for mr. Navalny. He has perished, that is always a sad event. Weve had other instances where people die in prison. Has that not happened in the United States<\/a> . It happens. And not just once. Several days before mr. Navalny perished, i was told by some of my colleagues, not administration employees, but some people that there was an idea to exchange mr. Navalny for some people in western countries. The person talking to me hardly finished their sentence when i said i agree, but just on one condition. We will exchange him for him to never come back. Let him stay there. Thats it. But unfortunately the thing that happened happened. Such things happen and you cant do anything about it. That is life. Reporter its interesting because this is something we actually first heard from the navalny camp shortly after his death, this idea there was a trade in the works. We havent heard much more about it since then. So it is newsworthy to hear it from Vladimir Putin<\/a> himself. I will say that the kremlin walked back elements of those comments in remarks today saying that President Putin<\/a> did not necessarily mean that a trade had been agreed upon, just that he had been presented with the idea. One final thing i want to point out is that in answering that question from keir simmons, he didnt mention a name that he has actually mentioned before, that being our colleague from the Wall Street Journal<\/a> Evan Gershkovich<\/a> who is still, of course, in putins custody. Thats true, as well as paul whelan. We cant forget about them. Matt bodner. Hundreds of protesters gathering in santiago chanting power and food as public anger grows over Food Shortages<\/a> and blackouts that sometimes go on for 18 hours a day. Most protests are illegal in the communistrun nation. But they have become more frequent as the country sinks deeper into an economic crisis sparked by the covid pandemic. Cubas president today calling for dialogue in an atmosphere of, quote, tranquility and peace. Coming up, lawmakers on capitol hill once again racing against the clock to avert a partial Government Shutdown<\/a>. They have only four days to do it. The divisive topic that is the holdup right now next. Holdup rig nhtow next. You know whats brilliant . Boring. Think about it. Boring is the unsung catalyst for bold. What straps bold to a rocket and hurtles it into space . Boring does. Boring makes vacations happen, early retirements possible, and startups start up. Because its smart, dependable, and steady. All words you want from your bank. 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A dispute over Homeland Security<\/a> funding largely centered around immigration is now presenting a real threat for a partial shutdown. Lawmakers have until midnight this friday to reach an agreement on how to fund the six remaining annual spending bills. They account for roughly 70 of the federal government. Congress passed a package of six others earlier this month. So that may be why youve heard this before, or a time or two. I want to bring in jake sherman, the cofounder Of Punchbowl News<\/a> and an msnbc political contributor. I guess its job security for you, jake, as you keep covering potential Government Shutdown<\/a>s. What do we know about this latest dispute and where negotiations stand today . Job security for the last 15 years. So here is the general gist of it. The negotiators, which includes the white house and congressional leaders, have wrapped up negotiations on five of the six of those bills, everything besides Homeland Security<\/a>. There have been a bunch of disagreements on Homeland Security<\/a> including the administration pushing for more flexibility on how it spends money in the dhs bucket. In addition to that, republicans are pushing for more money for beds and Detention Facilities<\/a> for migrants. Without getting dhs unlocked and finished, they cannot release the rest of the bills and put them on the floor. So the big problem is timing. It is monday at almost 2 00. They need 72 hours for a bill to be reviewed before hitting the house floor. So were quickly running out of time to avert a Government Shutdown<\/a>. Now, a Government Shutdown<\/a> over a weekend is not as big of a deal as otherwise during the week or anything like that. This is really high wire stuff at this point. Again, were talking about Border Security<\/a>, something that has been a real Sticking Point<\/a> for decades. We saw what happened with the bipartisan proposal in the senate. So does it look like this partial Government Shutdown<\/a> is going to happen over dhs funding . Will they ever agree on dhs funding or Border Security<\/a> . Thats a good question. They need to agree on it because they cant have the department of Homeland Security<\/a> shut down. Thats not a tenable solution. Now, theyre not going to agree on a more Global Package<\/a> like was negotiated last month. They do need to agree on a pathway to keep dhs open until the end of september. These are contentious issues because emblematic, kind of endemic in all of the dhs programs is republicans agreeing effectively to continue the Biden Administration<\/a>s Border Policies<\/a> which they are vehemently opposed to. So a real thor any issue. Ill be honest with you. This is not coming out of nowhere. Theyve known for a year that they needed to get this done. They needed to wrap their arms around it and havent done it yet. They keep kicking the can down the road. Thats right. 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Reporter this morning, jason riley speaking out for the first time, describing his 22yearold daughter laken as an avid Marathon Runner<\/a> with dreams of one day becoming a nurse and working with children. We were looking forward to seeing her graduate next year. She was so full of life. I just hate that, you know, she was taken so early. Reporter police say laken was murdered while jogging on the University Of Georgia<\/a> campus last month. I wake up every day thinking, you know, that i can call her, and i cant. Reporter police have charged 26yearold Jose Antonio Ibara<\/a> with her murder. He entered the u. S. Illegally in 2022. Despite an arrest in new york and a citation for shoplifting in georgia, was never deported. Do you think a difference in Immigration Policy<\/a> would have made a difference for laken . I have no idea if that would have changed anything. But hes here illegally. He might not have been here had we had secure borders. Reporter lakens murder has become a flashpoint in the partisan debate over immigration. Former President Trump<\/a> meeting with lakens mom and step dad earlier this month just days after this Tense Exchange<\/a> at the state of the union. Georgia representative Marjorie Taylor<\/a> greene imploring President Biden<\/a> to say laken rileys name. Laken riley, an innocent young woman who was killed by an illegal. I feel like shes being used somewhat politically. How do you feel about that . It makes me angry. She was much better than that. She should be raised up for the person that she is. Reporter an angel on earth. Her heartbroken father saying now gone far too soon. What gives you strength . Knowing shes looking down on me, it has made me so much stronger. Reporter while the suspect in this case has not yet entered a plea, we are learning he is requesting a jury trial according to cower documents and lakens father tells us hes also preparing for what is likely to be a very difficult trial ahead. Ana. Priscilla thompson, thank you for bringing us that interview. Now some new data about gun violence by children. A new Study Reveals<\/a> that last year 157 people were killed and 270 were injured in unintentional shootings by children. This is according to the Firearm Safety<\/a> Advocacy Group<\/a> every town. Already this year there have been at least 39 unintentional shootings by children that have left 18 dead and 22 injured. The study shows that the children who pulled the trigger were almost always teenagers between 1417 or children ages 5 and under. About half of the cases involve children who shot themselves. The other half, someone else was injured or killed, usually another child. 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The premise of this lawsuit by missouri and louisiana is that u. S. Government officials were targeting conservative speech under the guise of expressing concern about disinformation, and a majority of the justices seemed skeptical of that idea. There was a very conservative Lower Court Opinion<\/a> that essentially prohibited Government Officials<\/a> from communicating with social media platforms. It meant that the fbi had to stop telling facebook, for example, about foreign disinformation campaigns. Thats been in place. The Supreme Court<\/a> now seems to be ready to lift that and to be justices, liberal and conservative. Some of the justices were skeptical about the brief filed by the state of louisiana. Listen to Justice Sonia<\/a> sotomayor. I have such a problem with your brief, senator. You omit information that changes the context of some of your claims. You attribute things to people that it didnt happen to. I dont know what to make of all of this because you have a im not sure how we get to prove direct injury in any way. The justices seem skeptical of the idea that by alerting social Media Companies<\/a> to disinformation, the government was somehow coercing them. They didnt see the evidence for that. And they said there should be a place for Government Officials<\/a> to go to platforms and talk about harmful content as long as they werent, again, using their powers to coerce these companies because that would violate the first amendment, but the justices werent seeing that. Anna. Ken dilanian, again, todays arguments, well wait for an actual decision on this issue. But its an important one. Appreciate you. Still ahead, a new way for americans to buy and sell homes that could save you a good amount of money. Well explain when Yasmin Vossoughian<\/a> picks up our coverage right after this. Thanks for staying there. Tayinge get the new iphone 15 pro with tons of storage. 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