Anger. Could that turn florida blue . Its still a long shot but it does give dems another opportunity to say look, voters, this is what happens when you let the other guys win. And while dems have this opportunity, republicans are hoping for their own opportunity on an issue they think they have the upper hand. Let us start with abortion. Joining us now, Washington PostNational Reporter covering abortion, Car Caroline Kitchened matt dixon. You guys have done a lot of reports on whats happening in florida. Matt, this ruling, talk to me about the political underpinnings of it. Yeah, its a huge win for democrats here in florida who havent had a win in a decade or more. The Biden Campaign released a memo yesterday first given to nbc news that sort of said theyre going to build their florida strategy around the issue of abortion and really tieing it to yesterdays twopart rulings. So democrats are really hoping this is going to sort of put floridas Battleground State again. It hasnt been in a little while. Its yet to see how thats going to play out because florida has gone very red but democrats seem to think they have some momentum and this has been an issue thats been very good for them in the past. Talk about the memo thats circulating within the Biden Campaign about how to go about this. Yeah, the Biden Campaign is really stressed that in both, theyre using this restrictive six week stuff to really talk about how important its going to be in november when its on the ballot. If it passes, it needs 60 to pass. So its a high bar, but theyre going to use both prongs of this to sort of motivate from an organizing perspective and get florida back on the map nationally. The state has fallen off the National Radar going back to 2016 when President Trump first won the state, so i think the effort is to sort of amplify and lift florida up. Now well see if the money follows. Lets play a little bit of the reaction from florida. Lets start, caroline, with some women reacting to this Florida StateSupreme Court ruling. I think its really sad to even think of having the option of an abortion in our state. I think that people should have more morals. Ive got a daughter so i want to, you know, also im her advocate and now shes of age to vote, too. So im hoping she exercises that right but yeah, thats a big deal to both of us. So caroline, democrats want voters to go to the polls in november to vote for this Ballot Initiative and while theyre there, theyre hoping that theyre also going to vote for the democrats that are on the ballot. Both President Biden and the senate candidate. Let me ask you about the other side of this ruling. The ruling that says that getting an abortion is not a constitutional right because it doesnt fall under the constitutional right to privacy. How did the court fall on that . Well, the court said that there is no right to abortion in floridas constitution and that is going to trigger a sixweek abortion ban in the state. Which you know, ive been talking all morning, all night, to abortion providers, not just in florida, but across the country, who are really having a hard time putting into words the impact that that is going to have. Not just in florida, but really across the entire country. There are 80,000 women that get abortions in florida every year. Which is far more than any other span state that we have seen so far. So really the ripple effects of that ruling are going to be massive. And youre going to have voters living with that on the Ground Reality for six months before they get the opportunity to vote on it. Lets see what the consequences of that are come november. You can see on the map we had how abortion has been changed all around the country. When youre talking about having a sixweek ban in florida, its not so easy. The states also very big. But its not so easy to drive to another state to get access because the states around it have very limited Abortion Allowances as well. Let me play a doctor from florida today talking about how this might impact healthcare. We know that we are doing harm to our patients by banning and restricting abortion. And its challenging. I think from the community, there are big ask is to leave this to Healthcare Providers and patients. Were looking at Abortion Deserts where people, if they have the means necessary to travel, will have to go elsewhere for their care. Do you think women will die . Absolutely. That was at a reproductive Freedom Hearing in ft. Lauderdale. Caroline, how is this news being taken among more broadly the medical establishment within florida . Well, i just spoke last night with a woman that i interviewed extensively last year for a story who almost died because she had a Pregnancy Complication at 16 weeks of pregnancy and she was turned away from a hospital. She was just distraught to hear this and just terrified about what it would mean for other women in circumstances like hers. She said to me, i asked her if she had a message for women in florida right now who are pregnant and you know, feel like they need an abortion for a Pregnancy Complication after that sixweek mark. And she said run. Run to another state. That is her message. Again, the closest clinic where abortion will now be legal after the sixweek mark for someone living in the southern part of florida will be a 14hour drive away from charlotte. Thank you. Matt, thank you as well. Lets move on now to what republicans are hanging their hats on. That is immigration. Voters tended to give the gop higher marks on the issue and this time, that is been supercharged potentially by the number of migrants that have arrived in cities far from the border. According to a poll, about twothirds of americans do not approve of bidens handling of the border, including four in ten democrats. Joining us now are vaughn hillyard. Also with me is the Cook Political Report senior editor, david wasserman. Vaughn, this is such a thorny issue because the Biden Administration when theyre talking about immigration, will say listen, we came to a compromise in the senate. A conservative leaning compromise on the issue of immigration and it wasnt democrats who were shooting it down. It was republicans who shot it down. Republicans in the senate. Republicans in the house. At the request of donald trump. So how is donald trump then trying to take that issue, which he torpedoed and try to run on it . Try to campaign on it . Reporter well, i think thats what were about to watch, katy. Youre the one that just said it. He urged his republican colleagues in the United States congress to kill the bill and they effectively did. And now for the next seven month, he, as we are witnessing at this very moment, i was just listening to him give these remarks in grand rapids, michigan, and using anecdotally the lives of undocumented immigrants, as emotional motivation to have the american electorate rally around republicans including him come november. And yet, what we have seen, this is a playbook we have seen from donald trump before. The question is, will it work this go around. In july of 2015, you and i were in phoenix, arizona, his first megarally. And one of the speakers at this event was the father of an individual killed by an undocumented immigrant. Donald trump has used these stories to try to motivate the base in support to rally around him. I can go back to a past job of mine in 2010. Steve king, the former congressman from iowa, made a claim that 9,000 americans were killed annually by undocumented immigrants. This is something americans have heard, this severe Immigration Rhetoric for a long time. But frankly, the data does not bear out the fact that undocumented immigrants kill americans at any greater rate than legal americans, if you will. But that is the difficult part here and especially when youre dealing with devastating, tragic stories like the one in georgia. Donald trump has made it clear hes going to try to use those tragedies for his political gain. The data isnt emotional as a grieving family. Dave, tell me how you see this broadly playing in the electorate . 2024 is coming down Abortion Versus immigration and the dilemma for democrats and President Biden is do you run on your strongest issue, abortion, where the nbc poll most recently found democrats with an advantage of 12 points on that question, were under weakest issue and trying to confront it head on and preempt Donald Trumps attacks on what he calls open borders and every state being a border state. There is a blueprint for democrats here from the new york Special Election where tom suozzi took this head on and blamed his republican opponent and her party for failing to take yes for an answer. For failing to advance the Senate Immigration compromise. And President Biden, for his sake, probably needs to be out there driving that. The question is how much money are democrats going to put behind their counter to republicans on immigration . Or are they going to try to stay on offense. Can you give me more information about the tom Suozzi Campaign . Its not tom suozzi running in new york city where its very blue. Its tom suozzi running on long island. Give me the context on the atmosphere, the environment of that campaign. It was a raw kuss atmosphere and when pilip was holding events, suozzi showed up and blamed republicans in congress for being obstructionists. Thats the kind of getting into the mud with trump that the Biden Campaign will need to engage in between now and the election if theyre going to wrestle this out because polls are showing republicans with a much larger advantage on immigration than democrats have on abortion and even in a state like florida where the Biden Campaign has announced theyre opening offices. Its become politically an extension of the midwest. The same types of places like ohio and kansas where youve seen these referendums to Enshrine Access To Abortion Pass on the ballot, but we have not yet seen proof this trickles up and benefits Democratic Candidates unless the republican nominee has taken an extreme No Exceptions position on it such as in the michigan governors race, for example. Or in pennsylvania. And donald trump has been hard to pin down on abortion. Hes been all over the map throughout his career. Thats the challenge for democrats. Do you look more, do you put more stock, dave, in the polling surrounding these issues or more stock in the elections that weve seen . Weve seen Special Election after Special Election. Sometimes in very red places, most recently in alabama, where the issue of not abortion, but reproductive rights has been on the ballot and democrats have won. When you look at what might happen in november, do you look at the polls or past elections . The answer is theyre not necessarily at odds. Yes, we are seeing democrats win when abortion is front and center in alabama for example, in the wake of the ivf ruling. But we are seeing democrats not named Joe Biden Doing better in both polls and elections than joe biden is doing in polls. For example, in new yorks Third District where tom suozzi won that race by eight points, the same polls that showed suozzi ahead in that race showed joe biden narrowly trailing in a district he carried by eight points in 2020. So i believe what the polls show, which is that biden has his work cut out for him and democrats have a long way to go to get back to the numbers he enjoyed with Younger Voters and young voters of color, particularly young men of color, to get to that window. Considering 2020 was virtually a tie. Dave, vaughn, thank you very much. Still ahead, quote, its clearly strategic. What donald trump is trying to do when he lashes out at judges and their families. Plus, what is the u. S. 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So, garrett, the gag order was expanded after donald trump was going after judge merchans daughter. How is the trump Team Reacting . They argued its unconstitutional, political speech by donald trump. The most protected form of political speech and that any effort to curtail anything he might say, particularly in advance of his trial, is prior restraint and is unconstitutional. The whole thing ought to be thrown out. I think theres also some tension here between trumps lawyers who would probably like him to say less about all this and trump himself who seems almost personally inclined to test the limits of gag orders on what he can say at any time. Two weeks really between now and when the trial starts is a lot of time for him to test those fences. Does he just see any potential consequences as politically expedient for him . I think whether its a fine or the names of jurors being withheld from him, which is one of the things thats been laid out by judge merchan as a consequence. Im hard pressed to imagine trump attacking potential jurors before a verdict. So up to and including those penalty, he might see the political benefit but donald trump does not want to go to jail. He does not want to be detained. He doesnt want to test those limits. Hes made as much clear publicly. There will be a sort of careful dance here to see how much he can get away with and push the envelope to benefit himself particularly without taking that risk. Maybe hes banking on judge merchan not wanting to put him in jail. Thats possible but judging from this order, hes drawn a clear line in the sand. Not only is one of the consequences violating this losing the right to jurors name, but hes saying any violation of this order will result in sanctions under judiciary law section 750 a3 and 51. Those deal with Criminal Contempt where the punishment can include up to 30 days imprisonment. Yesterday, Nicolle Wallace had on a judge whose son was killed by a deranged guy who was angry at her for a ruling. Just underscoring the danger that Court Officials now currently face. It was a horrible story. Do you hear anything from Donald Trumps team about potentially putting people in danger . Is anybody, donald trump might not be concerned about it, but does anyone else around him share that concern . Certainly not on the record. I should say its not for lack of information like the interview youre describing which i doubt many of them have seen. It was only in 2018 when you had a trump supporter mailing pipe bombs around the country ahead of the midterms essentially targeting Donald Trumps enemies. This kind of thing has always been out there with trump. This flirtation of violent rhetoric that sometimes he tries to put distance between himself and its use in public, which sometimes he does not. This particular it ration has no real interest in trying to curb this behavior. Theyve made it clear that letting trump be trump is their plan and to tell him to back off this language is probably a quicker way for them to get fired than it is to change Donald Trumps behavior. It was judge salas who she had on yesterday. Again, just a horrible story. Lisa, thats the sort of thing that