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MSNBCW Ayman July 3, 2024

Coming up on the second hour of ayman, order in the corporate donald trump get a Reality Check during the very beginning of his criminal trial. Why a Supreme Court move could chip away at the First Amendment. Lack lives matter organizer will join me live later this hour. Carey lake, two more Republicans Spouting Out violence frederick to their supporters. I am Ayman Mohyeldin and let us do it. After four days of Jury Selection in Donald Trumps Hush Money Trial we have our jury prettify women, seven new yorkers, who come from all walks of life. Lawyers, teachers and other professionals as well as six alternates on monday will all meet for the first time when Opening Statements get underway. They already came face to face with x President Trump as he sat through hours of proceedings, just like any other criminal defendant facing charges in the state of New York Press from his big podium and adoring fans he was drunk he was forced to face reality and he could not say a single thing to defend himself he heard himself described as a racist, sexist, narcissist but he is, quote, a very selfish and self serving. He was even presented with social media post calling for officials to lock him up one woman struck from the pool after legal team discovered a social media post that said, quote, i would not believe donald trump if his tongue were notarized. A trump lawyer added that this got punched saying she had said that he was an impediment to everything she was talk about love. The court room has a blood to chip away at someones armor when that someone is outrageous and larger than life as donald trump. At times the expresident seemed less like the rollicking front runner and more like a child being disciplined grade school. Judge juan merchan scolded him after he said something in the direction of one of the other jurors bring in another instance the judge told the former present to take a seat when he up the proceedings were over and he tried to get up and leave. That takes us to another issue, trump was having trouble staying awake, apparently reporting from inside the courtroom, Maggie Haberman said it trump appeared to not off a few times his mouth going slack and his head drooping into his chest. Unfortunately, this is just the very beginning of a child but expected to last up to six weeks. It trump is required to be in the courtroom every day. The expresident has told reporters that he will take the stand even though it is not necessary but if that will actually happen, it remains to be seen. Donald trump is learning in real time that the Criminal Court is nothing like the court of Public Opinion join me now to discuss this is a daily commons and host of the show that dean of the dollar show. A democratic strategist for the Obama Campaign as well as sirius xm hose. And former federal prosecutor and legal affairs,s politico. This is a former present who reportedly used to receive a folder full of positive news about himself and press clippings may be up to twice a day. How do you think this reality is setting in for opinions of the jurors in their regular process of a Criminal Court trial getting underway . Reporter it is really shaking him up, ayman. Not only with him nodding but he cannot say anything back to these people are donald trump who has known to be a bully and try to appear the strongmen in every situation and instance, it is killing him to know that individuals hold this opinion of him and many of those individuals are fine making those opinions known. I think it is the backdrop of where he has acknowledging he is in the courtroom and he has no choice but to be there but he would rather play golf at maralago are actually campaigning. He is not making money off of this right now. In his previous iterations of being charged, he would showcase the mug shot and fun race off of the cups and t shirts for all of the barbs he would make. In this case, he has not been able to shake people down the way he has briefly been able to do when he faced charges. There are two things at play, the tough guy persona he has is taken a toll. These opinions are really getting at the guy he was used to bring insults at other people. It is the backdrop of new york, the place where he builds as well, his name and his brand. His ego is taking ahead. Dean, i have to ask you as a lawyer, the potential for donald trump to take the stand. He wants to do it. It means he would have to be crossexamined if he gets cross examined, you know what he will be asked about the youll be asked about comments in the past, trials that he has lost for comments he has made on women all kinds of other issues. Do you think that he will still want to go forward knowing that his lawyers will allow him . Knowing that he risks opening himself to a series of questions that can be extremely damning and damaging . Reporter donald trump if you are watching, please take the stand. I will volunteer to do Cross Contamination of donald trump he thinks he will give a speech part of the prosecutors will cut him to shreds premium that is a how works you do not get up there to rent. They are going to make the judge that will direct donald trump to answer the questions but if he thinks he is confined now, wait till cross examination. We will find out monday the judge said about what theyre about to ask about, like the judgment in the fraud case. His statements outside of the courtroom, the idea this was all legal fees this will all be used against him. Him going on the stand, in his own mind, probably thinks it will help him. He will give a speech like his supporters. In real life, it will hurt him so badly. Please, trump does he not know the comments he makes outside of the courtroom can be recorded and played back to them is that the courtroom . Reporter he is not saying anything for the legal benefit. We all know how many times we said anyone else would be in jail pretty he has her that for years as well. He thinks he will never be held accountable for this whole thing is to play to his base and public and win the election. Even if he is convicted of the felonies, probably does not get jail time for today, he knows his base is not going anywhere. They will cheer him more. That is the sad reality where we are as a nation. He should be convicted of felonies. Same question to you bridget do you not think he realizes being put on the stand could actually be used in the prosecutor favor if he were to testify . Reporter i think he does realize that. That is why i dont think he is going to do it. With just surprises no one who is watching this broadcast that donald trump is being deceptive and not telling us the truth. The reality is donald trump says he will take the stand just like he said he would talk to Robert Mueller and then he did it. He did briefly testify in the e. Jean carroll case. They asked in very few questions because they knew they would just be opening up to crossexamination. If he takes the stand, i agree with dean, it would be a disaster for him. I think that is why he will create anticipation and then he will Say Something like, the case fell apart or it is so weak so he does not have to. Give some excuse not to do it. There is an itching dynamic to this. It is a physical one, which we do not talk about but it appears that trump is pleasure at the fact the trial is taking away from his opportunity to be on the campaign trail. Perhaps he was hoping to use this trial as a podium but as we laid out, we are seeing him in a different light inside the courtroom. The dynamics outside of it as well are exhausting. It will hurt his image to have to be in new york for every day in the courtroom. He will walk out every days run by the police and press but not be able to spin it the way that he thinks it is going. Reporter absolutely. He is looking tired but he is looking weak and frail. He is looking like an elderly man. For somebody who has consistent utilize his campaign to talk about how strong, strategic and smart he is, we are watching time and time again he is asleep in the course of the trial. He is upset that he is not able to talk directly to his people and amplify the trial the way that he has other legal issues he has come across. However, i would argue that the way he is not able to carry, fox news is caring for him every day and recapping the trial in a way that is rather unfortunate and does not play to what is happening in the courtroom. Donald trump, he is not fundraising off of this is not able to be on the campaign trail. He is frustrated because he is not in the battleground states every day he is not hoisting up a steak campaign office. He could not do even if he was not in this trial, to be honest, because he does not have the money. That is a problem for him. This will be a very tight election cycle but no one would want to be in a courtroom versus being out on the campaign trail. It is hard to do all those things at the same time. Dean, you mentioned he would likely not face jail time if he is convicted. Walk us through what is at the core of the accusations that are made against donald trump. Why should ordinary americans tonice point about fox doing the heavy lifting why should they care about this . Reporter theres two parts of this. There is the legal part. This is a Textbook Case of falsifying business records. There was no legal fees. They can fake Retainer Agreement and fake invoices. Donald trump pays the checks to Michael Cohen so they do not find out donald trump had an affair, allegedly. We learn about that right before the election when the accessed Hollywood Tape had blown out. There is something i think is worse for trump that is a falling asleep in the courtroom. You dont have to understand law or any kind of nuance. The guy is 77 and he is falling asleep three times in one week. What happens . Jon stewart has made fun of it. Jimmy kimmel has made fun of it. Stephen colbert is making fun of it. He has been the punchline of that the average person might not get the legal issues. They might not get the politics but they know a 77yearold man does not have the stamina to stay awake when he is charged with 34 felonies. How can he be president . That is the most damaging thing. It is this issue. He cannot stay awake because he is not the same person he was four years ago. Renato, this criminal trial is unique and a stressful experience for the jurors , who have been tasked with it. One potential juror broke down Crying Estrace and, quote, i have to be honest, i feel so nervous and anxious. I am sorry. Given Donald Trumps nature and how his supporters come to his defense. Given that we have seen threats and the fact he is gone after the judges and prosecutors in many other trials, what can be done to ease some of this anxiety for jurors . How much of this rests on judge merchan . Reporter a lot does rest on judge merchan. We are starting to see some of what the judge can do about this. But judge has been treating donald trump just like any other defendant in a lot of ways. He tells them to be quiet but he tells them to sit down. He tells them, for example, that, you know, he has to be there in the courtroom. You mentioned already on this. Beyond that, at times he is treating donald trump the way that his actions marriage. I have tried many criminal cases in my life. I have never in my career as prosecutor or Defense Attorney have a trial in which the prosecution does not tell the defense, in advance, which witnesses they are calling the next day. That way the defense can prepare to crossexamine those witnesses as opposed to the 50 or 60 on the list. The fact that the judge is basically saying, we cannot trust you to have the names, donald trump and we will disadvantage her lawyers. That sends a message to donald trump it sends the message that he is not in control. He sits down when he is told tupper he does what he is told tough. If he continues to behave badly, there will be consequences. You asked about him testify earlier, the judge will be the one to determine what question can be asked but the judge will instruct him to answer. Trump is starting, i being, to figure out that he is not in charge here. He is going to have to Start Playing by the rules. Please stick around we have about more to discuss but we will talk about another hurdle awaiting the expresident , his gag order hearing on tuesday. Tn n that helps treat and prevent, all in one. To those with migraine, i see you. For the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of Episodic Migraine in adults. Dont take if allergic to nurtec odt. Allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. Most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. Its time we all shine. Talk to a Healthcare Provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. I wanna hold you forever hey little bear bear. 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The gag order has to come off it i should be allowed to speak. They are taking away my constitutional right to speak but that include speaking to you. I have a lot to say to you and i am not allowed to say it. That was donald trump complaining about being muzzled as he spoke freely with reporters. The irony not lost on anyone. This comes as he faces a scheduled hearing over alvin braggs request to hold in contempt of gag order violations. Prosecutors claim he has violated the gag order at least seven times seven more times since monday afternoon and attacked the judge at witnesses on his failed social media website but the violation carries the risk of jail time for trump which he claims and considers a, quote, great honor for hamburg my panter is back with me. Renato, let us break down his claims that he cannot speak standing up from girls speaking but he is loved to talk to the press but he cannot use public statements to influence, intimidate or attacked those individuals and called in the trial as he is done repeatedly. Am i getting that right . Reporter that is right. I have to say it will come as no surprise to anyone who is watching this that donald trump is not being honest about the restriction that the judge is putting on him. Obviously, he is able to speak. He is speaking. He is talking on his Social Media Platform all the time. Some of the violet rules and some of them dont. Here is what i would say about that. I think this is getting a lot of attention with good reason. The witnesses, as you mentioned before the break are getting concerned that they are feeling intimidated. The prosecution is doing the right thing, burying it in front of the judge and dragging the defendant. I do think at the end of the day, trump is not going to be a Martyr Spending a night in prison. He is not going to be facing that penalty for this. He will face a penalty every day a trial for his attempts to circumvent the rules of the judge. We have been talking about the ways the judge has been showing trump he is in charge. The trial has not started yet. It starts on monday. He will figure out very quickly that the judge will exercise all ports of authority in the courtroom. And the more he keeps this up, the more it will hurt him. Doesnt hurt him politically at all that he continues to do this for his base and people that out there that might be voting for him . I know democrats want to stay away from this because they want the wheels of justice to spin as independently as possible. He shows no sign he will stop violating the gag order. He has gone after the judge multiple times on his failed social media website what is the play that he continues to be treated differently than any other defendant and continues to undermine the justice process . For donald trump there is not a political calculus but he is used to getting away with all things. He expects it to happen in this case. He believes he is above the law and started his entire life. The only people who are going to not budge we knew this before the trial began. They are going to be his base. Outside of that, the maga base he will not win an election off of but he is going to have a moderate and swing voters. Hes going to have to have suburban women but there are several vote still left out there. They are going to be shape what goes on the courtroom. They are paying attention to the ways in which he is holding himself and the ways in which he is trying to intimidate those who are sitting in the jury pool and the ways in which she is retreating and doing other things on social media to showcase his support of people who believe i can and attacking these individuals. One of the things we have to remember is the fact that he is also a form of him using his speech. If he is retreating someone who is saying about these jurors, that is still a level of intimidation for the jurors. In the same way it was when he did it for the two poll workers in georgia. We know how he wound up attacking those individuals. We also know, dean, that is not just donald trump it to ameshias point of fox picking up the heavy lifting. Activists have gone undercover just try to get on the jury and you have two jurors dropping out one of them ci

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