Was also the current president ial nominee facing trial for one of his crimes. He is accused of falsifying Business Records to cover up a payment made to an Adult Film Actress he is alleged to have an affair. To prevent her from going public with the damaging story. Prosecutors allege that his actions were in service of voters in the final days of the campaign. The former president was named as an unindicted coconspirator in two cases related to a multistate effort to overturn the results of the 2020 president ial election. 200 miles away another one of his lawyers was arguing before the justices that the former president should be immune from criminal prosecution for anything he did while in office. Trumps attorney was forced to concede that in the teams view, immunity is so great that the president could get away with staging a Military Coup or ordering the assassination of a political opponent. If the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person, and he orders the military or someone to assassinate him, is that within his official acts that he can get immunity . We could see that could well be. Take a moment to process how wild that argument is in general. We are talking about what donald trump actually did in the last election. Why would he be immune from that . Trump is the leading president ial candidate for an election that is six months away and he has vowed to exact retribution for those who are his enemies. He said it. A lawyer was able to make that argument on his behalf speaks to how much donald trump has corrupted our politics. Some justices are supporting his claims of immunity. The justices spent a lot of time during the hearing talking about hypothetical situations and voicing concerns about how this ruling might affect the future of the presidency. Some argue they did not spend enough time on the specific case in front of them. The petitioner who brought it. The one man in this countrys history who actively thwarted the peaceful transfer of power. It is unclear to us how or when the justices will resolve this. It is likely that this could add months of delay to the interference case. If that happens, this might not proceed to trial. This case may never proceed to trial at all. Joining me is doug jones of alabama. On thursday, it was the room where Oral Arguments were held. Senator, good to see you. Thank you for being with us this morning. The tension between some of those justices and the arguments they are making was obvious. Some members of the court were split on this. What was it like in that room . How did you sense what was going down . It is always a somber occasion when you are sitting in the Supreme Court listening to Oral Arguments. It is a very ornate courtroom. I for one was not that surprised that the nature of the arguments. Even the hypotheticals. Justices asked questions for a lot of different reasons. There was a lot of tension for sure is there always is with this particular court right now. I also saw, in my view, that the court as a whole is not likely to buy into absolute unfettered immunity. Especially with the way that the trump lawyer argued for it. I dont think that is going to happen. I do believe we will see this case come back for some reason. And have lower court proceedings. Senator, you were the United States attorney in alabama. You know how these things work. Judges and Supreme Court justices put these hypotheticals out here to establish the parameters. What is the argument you are making . But to the point that there is a specific argument here as it relates to section 3 of the 14th amendment of the constitution, did you sense that there was enough inquiry and debate and discussion around the specifics of what donald trump is accused of having done . You know, that is a really good question. The fact of the matter is that the allegations in the Indictment Stand for themselves. There does not have to be a questioning about those allegations. Even though Justice Amy Barrett became very close to that. After rattling off several questions that would be personal and not official asks. I think we have more than that. Clearly in any Supreme Court decision, you will be looking how this affects down the road. Criminal cases in particular, you are looking at punishment and the charge. What is going to be that fine line . I have never believe that this case was going to be resolved on a bright line test if there is absolute immunity or not. Clearly, there will not be a ruling that there is absolute immunity for official acts. How will you do find that . The president does have some leeway. This is a legitimate question for the court. Even the more liberal justices see that as well. The issue of leeway and using different words did,. How does the president do things that are not criminal for which she will not be prosecuted. The justice i you shepherded through her confirmation process made strong arguments about the possibility that if he is granted immunity for criminal things that they actually do, then the office could become the seat of Criminal Activity in this country. She was distinguishing between president s being prosecuted and being prosecuted for what is determined as Criminal Activity. Yeah. I think that is the key. I believe Justice Jackson set the parameter for this. Even if you look at the other hypotheticals, i have a hard time seeing the hypotheticals from the conservative justices will broaden that immunity to the concern that we have a former president on trial in any number of jurisdictions. That is going to be the key. Having that balance from Criminal Activity that is clearly Criminal Activity, versus the ability to Carry Forward duties as president of the United States for any number of reasons. We are dealing with the president of the United States and official activities. This is not a normal every day joe or jane. This is the president who has certain powers and duties under the constitution. It is a lot more nuanced than black and white. You mentioned that you do not think it will end up with the Supreme Court suggesting that there is absolute immunity. If the Supreme Court decision does cause additional delays to one or more of his criminal cases, it raises the stakes of the november election even higher. If donald trump gets to not go to trial, then the trial, in the minds of some americans, becomes about the prosecution of donald trump. Sure. I think that will be the case for some americans regardless of it goes to trial and he is convicted or acquitted. The one thing i believe that people have to start looking at is it is not the conviction of the trial. If this case goes back, there will very well likely be some evidence in the hearings in the court below, in the District Court where you see several days of Potential Testimony and evidentiary hearings. At the end of the day, it should be the fact that determine if someone is fit to be president of the United States. If they are convicted with a jury beyond a reasonable doubt, is one thing. Remember, the committee changed the dynamic a lot. They brought out so many facts. The facts that we are seeing play out in the courtroom right now are changing that dynamic. Regardless of the outcome. It is the facts. If people are seeing a donald trump that they have not seen before in the new york war room, they will see that, should there be evidentiary hearings in the court below. Thank you for spending time with us this morning. A former senator for the state of alabama. 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