Trumps criminal trial. The judge late today denying another attempt by trumps lawyers to just run away from this thing. Indeed, the judge admonishing trumps lawyers for insinuating that actor Stormy Daniels changed her story while rejkting the mistrial request. The judge said, i disagree with your narrative that theres any new account here. Daniels wrapped up her testimony. She spoke under oath for hours and rhetorically stood her ground during the reports we have we dont have the cameras but we have a lot of reporting from people inside the room that it got very tense with the questioning from trumps Defense Lawyers, trying to make a bet the jury wouldnt be as offended by the line of questions as they would be concerned about the potential questions raised around her credibility. You wanted money. That phrase repeated multiple times by Donald Trumps lawyer today, as she grilled Stormy Daniels during crossexamination. It bordered on, i think, shaming a sex worker. Of course Stormy Daniels getting the most attention. You see donald trump. It is his motivation to really shame this woman, and its not working. It felt like something that might have happened three decades ago. She was not going to let her story be mischaracterized. Very impressive. So, thats this clash today. And because donald trump is, of course, running for president and because the country can take this in, there are many layers to this. But the first and most important legal layer is whether this will work on the jury or backfire. Then we can also have, of course, at the same time, the wider discussion about what you heard legal experts there describe as misogyny and out of date and antiquated. Is any of this helping Donald Trumps defense with the jury . Is it a wash, or might it even backfire . One of the things here was trying to Frame Daniels history in a very certain way. They asked daniels pointedly, you made all this up. And she said, no. They tried to say it was all about money. And she said, no, i never asked for money from anyone in particular. I asked for money to tell my story. Again, thats a distinction between this allegation of extortion. Did she just want money for no reason or did she have something that had market value. Daniels said to trumps lawyer, youre putting words in my mouth. Thats the tone. While you may say alls fair in a courtroom, this is more tense back and forth than we have seen in many other days. The defense did get daniels to concede she did not have a firsthand knowledge in how trumps role evolved in paying the transaction. It was at this distance through the intermediary lawyers. So, trumps lawyers asked daniels, you have no personal knowledge about his involvement in that financial transaction, do you. Shes under oath, and she said not directly, no. Prosecution also came back at daniels, and they asked if publicly telling the truth about trump has been a net negative or a net positive for her. Thats a straightforward question, and given what shes been through, this is her view p under oath, you could mark it by what shes been through publicly, attacks, personal security, money she now owes pursuant to all this. So, i will tell you, as an Observer Reporting on all this, i think the answer you see on the screen is credible. She said it has been a net negative. The point being that if the main attack on her is that she had this job history and she did all this to get money or improve her life, well, by her statement under oath and a lot of other indicators, it did not improve her life. Many Court Reporters and legal experts say daniels had a good day today. If the Trump Defense team basically added doubt to a couple of jurors, even by a very old or unfair playbook, well thats going to be tested in this trial. We could see her leaving court today. Her attorney also spoke to nbc after the testimony saying, it was an excellent job of responding directly, simply, and thoroughly. And the lawyer saying hes proud of how she conducted herself. And now when you look at the broader context and why today was so intense, we have reason to believe she may ultimately be the only woman who has this encounter history with donald trump that the jury will hear from. Trumps lawyers said today that the other person in this sort of situation was part of the catch and kill payments, karen mcdougal, former playboy model, who said her story was bought by the inquirer and silenced. She will not be testifying. Prosecutors also called a bookkeeper. This is a big deal from the trump org because theres all the financials. There you got that the testimony that trump and his convicted top money man, allen weissal berg, were talking daily. That corroborates the point that trump was involved the in one of these things. If one of the defenses i told you is busy president , lots going on, wasnt involved, the problem for donald trump is that paperwork and his own aides, his own trump org, financial staff say, actually, even while president he was disinvolved. Prosecutors will continue to hone in on this because they want to show this wasnt some after the fact thing, that the plan all along with these checks you see was an illegal, off the books, reimbursement of Michael Cohen and that trump was in on. Trumps former White House Assistant was the gate keeper to the oval office will be testifying. She also worked at the rnc, discussing on the stand the release of the access Hollywood Tape rattled leadership, also testimony about internal conversations about, it got so bad that they were looking at replacing trump as a candidate if it came to that. Now, that matters. Once again, a jury thats looking at a former president thinks, well, he won. The point here in the Campaign Crime Theory is this is how close he was to not only losing but maybe not even being allowed to finish the race if the rnc pulled him off the ballots. Trumps team down played this. They said, there is always some event that causes total consternation for a couple of days. She did agree with that and told the Prosecution Trump met at the white house in 2017. That was an email on that. Michael cohen described the meeting as a time they discussed this very secret hush money and the repayment, which we know, according to the books, looks like it was a lie. Now, this witness testified that she does still think highly of trump, and like others, we saw her get emotional on the stand according to reporters inside the room. The defense sees that as potentially humanizing her. So, what you see here is what weve told you would happen in the way this case will evolve. You get some exciting testimony, some human moments, whether theyre for or against the defendant. We saw that emotional testimony from someone that the jury might sympathize with. We also saw Stormy Daniels go clashing very directly with trumps lawyers. And then you have all the paperwork and the receipts, which on the one hand is admittedly boring. Its definitely boring as compared to discussions of intimate details or someones history in the adult film industry. But the d. A. s team here is hoping to do something methodical to combine the human and the emotional and memorable with the wrote and the written and the boring so that by the end they can say to the jury, this wasnt about just shaming this defendant and candidate or making him look bad or overdoing it against him. All these things were necessary to show that both crimes, according to the d. A. , occurred. The coverup part, as ive told you is, well, its been supported in a lot of evidence. Theres a lot of evidence that they covered it up. And then the Campaign Crime is why we keep talking about why he might have been knocked off the ballot. That is something the jury has to consider. If they buy the Trump Defense he was going to win anyway or he was always controversial or this wasnt such a big deal, this undercuts the idea that this was a planned, mentally intentional Campaign Crime. Its not good enough to just say they wanted to cover it up. They need the Campaign Part too. That witness i told you from the rnc will be back on the stand when court resumes tomorrow. So, this whole thing is barrelling forward. Emily baz lon is our special guest tonight. I want to get into all this with you, emily. Were back together in 90 seconds. Emily were back together in 90 seconds. It only works from The Other Side of the screen, buddy. You still got a land line in your house. Order now in the subway app. You know whats brilliant . Boring. Think about it. Boring is the unsung catalyst for bold. 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Stormy daniels speaking her truth today, and unlike some people who havent testified and well see if the defendant, donald trump, testifies shes under oath, so theres legal pressure around that. Were joined by New York Times writer, emily welcome. Thank you. Lets start with the most narrow question, the 12 jurors here. Based on what we know when we watch this back and forth now, your thoughts on how they will take this in, the Stormy Daniels testimony. Well, one thing i was thinking about was that trump obviously is denied the sexual encounter. And then that opens the door to Stormy Daniels coming in and talking about it. Trumps lawyer, i gather from the judges comments today, did not object to some of the details that now trumps defense team is trying to use to call for a mistrial. So, you have that problem from the Point Of View of the defense. Attack the credibility of Stormy Daniels because shes the central witness. And then the way that the Defense Lawyers went after her was, as you were saying earlier, kind of antiquated. And maybe there are jurors who are Old Fashioned enough and sexist enough to hold her past against her, but there may be also be jurors who are really troubled by the way that shes being criticized for the kind of career she has, the work shes done. It all is so tied up in gender politics. Its, kind of, hard to predict how thats going to play out with the jury. Right. Its incredibly gendered, as you say. And the stigma, or attempt to, kind of, unfairly impugn someone is different from the more, shall we say factual claims that you can raise. In other words, in a case like this, asking someone about their work history and their use of money or whether or not this was about, as i raised the question they did earlier, about getting money and improving her life. Those are inbounds questions. I say that legally. The judge is allowing those kinds of questions. They say, oh, did all this make your life better over the last few years. She said, no. The jury is going to look at both the treatment in the courtroom and the powerful sense of going up against someone as powerful as this. The theory is its made up that hole or not. Second is whether the stigma stuff just backfires. The New York Times wrote about the Trump Lawyers writing, Derisive Of Daniels sex work in her questioning. The Public Perceptions around adult film and sex work have changed a lot in the last decade. You know, its the afternoon on the west coast, emily. And we want to keep it as appropriate as we can here in the news. But i think it is fair to say that the article is referring to the fact that, as a general matter, with the internet, pornography is common. Social media is common. And the idea that one should be stigmatized lets all try to take gender out of it. Lets say a person of any gender is involved in that industry, if that automatically diminishes them, that that makes them less trustworthy, unreliable, they dont have a, quote, real job, or what all of these things is not only not true. Im not sure for an average, informed jury, thats going to resonate. Right. It does seem kind of antiquated and also wrong. Its a way of judging people that one would hope weve kind of moved beyond. And it gives daniels a chance to actually seem sympathetic and to, kind of, turn the tables, right . I mean, yes, obviously she accepted money in the form of a hush money payment. And she said, i wanted to get paid for telling my story. This was money actually to silence her. But originally she came forward to the National Inquirer trying to tell her story. Thats different from wanting to get paid for having sex with donald trump, or you cant rely on me at all because i used to be an adult film star, which just seems like we should be past that, judging people in that way. Right. And to be as linear as possible, in the johnny depp case, both he and amber heard were actors. It doesnt resolve the case to say, well, sometimes you pretended to be other people and you were paid to do that. So, likewise here, the fact that she has a job that defense the team referred to as at times fictional doesnt tell you much about whether what was under oath telling the truth today. And again, i remind viewers, the jury is going to judge that. They have to decide who they believe. Emily, appreciate you joining us. Thanks so much for having me, ari. Absolutely. See you again soon, i believe, as we cover the trials. 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But whether they went over the line where they antiquated gendered attacks that are both unseemly or may backfire with the jury is a big question today. So, the contradictions that they wanted to get at, the Trump Lawyers, really drew attention to the idea that that could be somehow supported or buttressed by her history working as an actress, specifically an adult film actress. So, they brought up the number of movies she was. They seemed to inflate the figure. They said daniels had appeared in about 250 movies. She said over 150, 150ish. The defense also tried to undermine her testimony that trump had made her uncomfortable in their encounter. Quote, not the first time in your life someone made a pass at you, the lawyer asked. The implication, c