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And trumps Hush Money Election Interference Trial just days after Stormy Daniels testimony. We have an inside look at the biggest week of the trial yet. Allies at odds. President biden draws a red line on israel launches a full scale invasion of rafah. And, the black vote. New Polling Raising questions about President Bidens support among this critical group. And how black lgbtq plus voters could be a decisive factor. Kelly robinson of the Human Rights Campaign and Terrance Woodbury join me to break down what is behind the numbers. This is the Saturday Show. This week of Donald Trumps New York Criminal Trial was all about the dirty details. With Adult Film Star Writer and director Stormy Daniels testifying about the one night stand, trump allegedly spent 130 grand to cover up. Not only has trump denied the charges of falsifying Business Records, he claims he never had a sexual encounter with daniels. During a rigorous cross question in which trumps Defense Attorney charged that daniels made the whole thing up, daniels fired back, quote, if that story was untrue, i would have written it to be a lot better. But the stakes of this case are much bigger than trumps alleged daliance in a hotel room. Trumps three other criminal cases have been slammed with major delays. In georgia, the state Appeals Court has agreed to weigh trumps request to disqualify fani willis which is likely to keep trump out of court in Fulton County until long after the election. In florida, his Classified Documents Trial has been postponed indefinitely. Because the Trump Appointed judge presiding over the case says it would be Quote Imprudent to even set a date given quote the various pending pretrial motions before the considerate. Folks, there wouldnt be a need for this delay if she would decide all these motions. Which of these which have languished for months. Then there is trumps main election interference case. The charges related to january 6th and his claims of absolute immunity. Questioning by the supreme courts conservative majority suggests the high court could hand down a decision that delays that trial until after the november election. So, all eyes are on a manhattan courtroom and a case that too many derided as the weakest case against the twice impeached four times indicted on 88 counts former president. But as trumps former fixer Michael Copen points out, the new york trial is about equal justice and the rule of law. Why are we handicapping cases . This is not the kentucky derby. This is our democracy. As far as im concerned, whatever holds him accountable, im okay with. Michael cohen is expected to take The Stand On Monday but not before receiving a warning from judge merchan yesterday to stop publicly taunting trump. But trump, who has already been fined 10,000 for violating a gag order that includes refraining from making statements about cohen is clearly struggling not to lash out at his former attorney. Everybody can say whatever they want. They can say whatever they want. But im not allowed to say anything about anybody. Because if anything is mentioned against certain people, and you know who they are, he is going to put me in jail. Thats a bunch of whining. Maybe that is why he brought senator rick scott to court. Scott spread some of trumps favorite falsehoods imdeluding if they can go after the former president , they can go after you. You know what . Senator scott . You are absolutely correct. But, we would have to be indicted by a jury for falsifying Business Records, illegally retaining classified documents and trying to overturn a free and fair election. Joining me now, msnbc neil catial. How credible do you think Stormy Daniels was as a witness . She has been very credible. We have seen person after person, friend after friend turn on trump in the trial and the whole thing is like a bad feud. It reminds me of drake and Kendrick Lamar and stuff like that. And, that was the prelude to Stormy Daniels coming and testifying. To be sure, some of the testimony on her first day strayed into stuff that i think nobody really needed to hear. It did bolster her credibility a bit by remembering certain details but it did start to get to be extraneous. But i think the second day of testimony and how she left the jury, she seemed incredibly credible. Trumps lawyer strategy of essentially trying to shame her for her profession spectacularly backfired and it goes to show trumps opening statement, they promised essentially no affair. That 130,000 trump never paid. And so on. And all of that has been blown out of the water already by the testimony from Stormy Daniels about the affair where she seems far more credible than the absent donald trump who is evidently looking like he is not going to take the stand to contradict her testimony and 130,000 that his lawyer said trump never paid. Well now we learned this week, trump actually admitted in another Court Proceeding he did pay the 130,000. So, right now, it is not looking good. They are now looking to tear down the credibility of Michael Cohen. One more thing. In terms of the stuff we didnt need to hear that you mentioned before, could that part of her testimony end up Helping Trump On Appeal real quick . They clearly did this not because the judge was going to accept the motion for a mistrial but preserve it for an appeal. I dont think this is enough. There is always in every major criminal trial, some extraneous information. I do not see this as the basis for undoing what seem to be an open and shut trial. So judge merchan scolded trump for shaking his head and swearing. What did the jury make of trumps antics . And make of stormy . So, the jury, let me address the second part of it first. With Stormy Daniels, with we have a very professional jury. She was very funny during the testimony. There were a number of lines where she was talking about she was asked about her reaction to the indictment. Trumps Attorney Susan Necheles asked her incredulously she didnt know what the indictment was about. She replied there were a lot of indictments. There was a lot of laugher in the courtroom after lines like that. There was a line where she was pressed about her merchandising saying that she was monetizing trumps indictments and she replied not unlike mr. Trump. And these were not isolated lines. It was one after another after another. There was a lot of laughter in that courtroom. There was a lot of smiling in the jury. There was a back and forth you sometimes see in trials where jurors, especially during a contentious crossexamination will shoot glances at the witness and the Attorney Volleying questions almost like a tennis match. All of that was kind of present here. But one of the things that was very noticeable was the kind of solid professionalism of this jury. As for their look after the defendant, one thing is probably no reporter knows exactly what they saw quite like the judge and jury just because of the mechanics of that courtroom. Just look at the layout. They were looking straight in the eyes during that cursing episode. If anyone is following Stormy Daniels on twitter, they are least surprised by how funny she was on the stand. Neil, as trump loves to remind us, Michael Cohen was convicted of lying to congress. So how will jurors weigh his past with his present credibility . It will be an issue. The District Attorney has to prove donald trump caused making a knowing false Business Record with the intent to further or conceal another crime. Here it is Campaign Finance laws. It will turn on Michael Cohen and his credibility. We have already had skirmishes about that. Certainly you can expect trumps lawyer to say hey, you have been convicted of a felony in the like and you can expect cohen to come back and say when the testimony, no, here im telling the truth. I have no incentive to lie. There is a lot of Corroborating Evidence that supports Michael Cohens storiment at the end of the day that makes it not just a he said he said dispute between trump and cohen. The District Attorney is meticulously built that record with receipts. It is an airtight case. If you are trumps lawyer, you are wondering what can i do to turn this thing around and attack Michael Cohen alone will not get you there. With that, we have to leave it there. Neil, adam, thank you both very much for coming to the Saturday Show. Coming up, why israel may have violated International Humanitarian law. But that will not impact military aid from the United States. Jane harmon joins me live to explain. Two key voting blocks that President Biden needs to beat trump in november and what it will take to shore up their support. A jam packed hour of the Saturday Show. Keep it here. Saturday show. Keep it here. White . To soccer . Im not gonna slide tackle. But now with tide oxi white, we can clean our white clothes without using bleach. It even works on colors. I slide tackled. I see that. Tide oxi white. [introspective music] recipes. Recipes written by hand and lost to time. Are now being analyzed and restored using the power of dell ai. When enamel is gone, you cannot get it back. But you can repair it with Pronamel Repair. It penetrates deep into the tooth to actively repair acid weakened enamel. I recommend Pronamel Repair. 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You may remember back in march i asked President Biden whether an invasion of rafah would be a red line for the United States. What is your red line with Prime Minister netanyahu . Do you have a red line . For instance, would invasion of rafah which you have urged him not to do, would that be a red line . It is a red line, but i will never leave israel. The defense of israel is critical. Now, two months later, President Biden has drawn a new red line. On wednesday, he warned Prime Minister ben benjamin netanyahu. If they go into rafah, i will not supply the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah. In response, netanyahu says that israel is prepared to fight without the help of the United States. If israel has to stand alone, we will stand alone. But we also know we are not alone because we have so many decent people everywhere who do support us. Who do understand the truth. And we will defeat our enemies. Joining me now, former congresswoman jane harmon of california, chair of the commission on the National Defense strategy. Congresswoman harmon, thank you for coming to the show. Before we get to the red line conversation, lets talk about this report that was issued yesterday by the state department. That said that it is reasonable to assess that the idf used u. S. Weapons since october 7th. Quote, inconsistent with International Humanitarian law but it stopped short of saying israel violated terms of u. S. Weapons agreements. Whats your reaction to this report . That it is very careful and that it doesnt say we assess. It says it is reasonable to assess which means somebody could assess. But maybe we dont. I think it was intentional. Intentional why . Because this whole issue is so fraught. Every part of it is radioactive. And the tragedy is right now 1. 4 Million People are in harms way in rafah and i applaud President Biden for trying to do what he can using leverage that he has to do two things. One, to support israel. The red line is not that he doesnt support israel regardless of what Prime Minister netanyahu says. But to support israel, but to say hey guys, this is the wrong way to go to achieve your objectives. So you agree with the president s decision. Peter baker hays Ronald Ray Dan did that. I think we forgot that in 1982 when israel bombed beirut. And we had a different Prime Minister in israel and reagan called him and said this is a holocaust. I think that might have been a little extreme. But hey. And im not sending, not sending Cluster Munitions and im slowing down, maybe not sending f16. Do you think, humanitarian workers and doctors warning that the situation for civilians is worsening in gaza. How devastating would a full scale invasion of rafah be . We have already seen this movie several times in other parts of gaza. Seems to me there are more people packed into rafah and the border crossings are closed and the u. N. Is predicting a Food Catastrophe tomorrow. What i worry about is the objective i thought everybody had a few weeks ago, which was to release the hostages or a number of them in exchange for a number of prisoners in israeli jails with a temporary cease fire is gone. That has to happen soon. If we think about it, it is reported the u. S. Is sharing intelligence the location of people in the tunnels with israel. Hamas has time to prepare. Dont you they they will have Human Shields in the tunnel if the idf comes near or tries to come near the leader of hamas . I think the strategy is not, israels strategy will not accomplish that. Yesterday, cease fire negotiations with israel are back to square one. Do you believe that . Folks say stuff publicly. And Behind The Scenes all sorts of things. I dont know enough to know. We have had our best people on the case. We have had bill burns and tony blinken with repeated visits. The problem is bb netanyahu has two right wingeing in his cabinet and if they turn on him, they could call for new elections. And he is boxed in. If he wants to remain as Prime Minister. But guess what . I think that he should want his legacy to be that he saved this country from a dire threat and built security for the future which to me require as Two State Solution with secure borders which is u. S. Policy. Jane harmon, thank you for coming to the Saturday Show. Up next, a chorus of boos for congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene On The House Floor. What that means for Speaker Mike Johnson and his chaos caucus in the days ahead. Plus what we know about jfk jr. s brain eating worm. Dont go anywhere. Brain eatin dont go anywhere. What causes a curve down there . Who can treat this . Stop typing, and start talking. It could be a medical condition called peyronies disease, or pd. 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