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MSNBCW Inside July 3, 2024

You to velshis team. Stay right where you are, inside with jen psaki begins right now. Things can move very quickly this week in the donald trump Criminal Trial as the former president s former fixer , Michael Cohen , will be on the stand tomorrow and Closing Arguments could come after that Andrew Wiseman and lisa rubin are coming up first. A congressman will join me in a few minutes. A Supreme Court justice and upside down flag, and the growing crisis of confidence in our highest court. A deep dive into the gop relationship with putin is unlike you have any unlike anything you have seen before. A comedian is here with more. And a little more than a week, donald trump could be a convicted felon. Not Wishful Thinking but a fact. It is hard to imagine that the 12 men and women who make up this jury dont know what is on the shoulders right now. Tomorrow, they will watch Michael Cohen return to the stand for more Cross Examination and on tuesday they could be watching Closing Arguments. Important to keep in mind the prosecution has laid out a strong case for any measure, that is what every legal eagle will tell you, Michael Cohen testified to Christian Piekos about the Hush Money Scheme , which was corroborated by loads of witnesses and documents before that. Michael cohen testified that donald trump was trying to push Stormy Daniels story until after the 26 election and testified that donald trump was not thinking about how the story would affect Melania Trump but influencing the outcome of the election. According to Michael Cohen, donald trump knew the Stormy Daniels story would be devastating to his campaign, saying, women will hate me because this will be a disaster. Of course, he added that guys may think it is cool but this will be a disaster for the campaign. We know it was all about the campaign. That is what his words are telling you and we know donald trump directed Michael Cohen to pay off daniels and signed off on the plan to reimburse him and cover it up. Michael cohen said donald trump approved that days before the migration. That testimony is damning for the defense but, donald trump is convicted, he will say that it is rigged, bias, he is the victim. When he does that, remember all of the evidence that has been presented over the past couple weeks. Remember the testimony and he has been afforded every benefit that criminal defendants should get and then some, to be honest, his lawyers have vigorously crossexamined witnesses including Michael Cohen. He was given 10 strikes on his gag order, with the judge finally said enough is enough, donald trump brought in surrogates to do his dirty work for him outside of the courtroom and complained that the judge would not let him attend his sons graduation which he was allowed to do on friday. He has been granted leeway at every turn and his defense team has been very aggressive. His surrogates have been out in force. I will talk about that later. We dont know if this will end in a conviction, that is up to the jury, but if it does, not because he is a former president but despite the fact he is a former president. Because a jury of his peers decided, beyond a reasonable doubt, he was guilty. Andrew wiseman is former General Counsel at the fbi and lisa rubin have been on your television all week and they join me now. Andrew, you tweeted about this. Crossexamination of Michael Cohen this week, todd blanche accused him of inventing of a phone conversation, accusing him of being a liar, what is your take away, whether it matters or not and if you did was bad for the prosecution in that moment . Great question. What we are talking is on October 24th Call where it seems very clear that, at the very least, two things happened, not one thing. Michael cohen said this was one of many calls where he spoke to the president about the repayment of the Stormy Daniels Hush Money Scheme and on Cross Examination it was shown that, in fact, at the very least, there was a conversation that was with Donald Trumps bodyguard, or valet, helper. About harassing phone calls. This is typical where the defense has found a mistake that was made, either by the da or the witness, and they will say this is a lie. That is what they should be doing. But, this happens so often in a case where someone makes a mistake and the battleground, is it a lie or a mistake . You will hear that kind of response from the prosecution tomorrow when they do redirect examination. Frankly, i think it was a mistake. It is not the end of the world because there is so much other evidence. If you were going to lie about something, this would not be the phone call. A lot of people on air are saying this was a critical call. I want to make sure everyone understands, this is on October 24th Call. This is not the critical call. If there was a critical call, it was two days later when the Phone Records made it clear that Michael Cohen had two lengthy calls with the former president and that is when he says there was the authorization of the payment. I think you will hear that kind of backandforth tomorrow. That is super helpful as you lay it out. Lisa, impossible to get into the minds of jurors because 12 men and women of peers. But this is the strategy, if you are the prosecution and preparing for this next week, how do you navigate what andrew just outlined . Are you worried it is a huge problem and thinking about how to deal with it in the Closing Statement, or not worried about it because so much else was presented . Slightly worried and not as hair on fire about it because the documents and other testimony surrounding the narrative of Michael Cohen are so strong. If i am the prosecution, by the way, the prosecutor has been writing the Closing Statements for weeks, good prosecutor start with the Closing Statement and move backwards and deciding what the order of proof or how the evidence should come in will look like. What i would say if i were the prosecutors, okay, maybe he didnt talk to donald trump when he was talking or calling the bodyguard. Maybe he made a mistake about that. Guess what he did make a mistake about that the defense hasnt presented with you a counter narrative about, they did not say the document wasnt signed, they have not shown you that david pecker didnt have conversations about donald trump, including repaying Michael Cohen, and they have not shown the conversations between donald trump and Michael Cohen took place where donald trump approved the Repayment Scheme that Michael Cohen mapped out on a copy of a Bank Statement for the llc for Michael Cohen he set up to make the payment so much other evidence that surrounds Michael Cohen and bolsters him, if i am the prosecution, yes, worried about that got you moment, but so much else about their being no other explanation other than the central narrative that Michael Cohen has taken them through the documents otherwise support. This is such an interesting thing to watch an interesting development. The defense could call witnesses , there is a rumor hanging out, which is a game, that donald trump could testify. Andrew, i assume you dont think that will happen and it is a game, talk to us about what the strategy is of a defense on whether or not he will testify . It is not going to happen. I would be shocked at the judge would be beyond shocked when here on friday or thursday saying we may call a witness. He said, okay, summation is tuesday. [ laughter ] if the defendant decides to testify, it would be a game changer but not happening. We should not be engaged in dangling that out. The real issue is people getting ready for summations. A key thing to look at is the defense will be saying that Michael Cohen is an indispensable witness and that, without him, you cannot find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, he is a problematic witness, that had nothing to do with the crossexamination, but that had to do with who he is and what he has planned to. Pled to. There is so much evidence and you have to look at it altogether while the defense will say look at it in isolation. Typical strategy the defense wants you to look at each leaf and not see there is a tree there. Bushy tree with lots of evidence. Lisa, the prosecutor has been preparing, his opening statement, he has been working on this, outlined so specifically, so well constructed. It was telling the story of the last couple of years. What are you expecting from his Closing Statement . I am expecting them to play the ultimate game of connect the dots. As they are presented with this is a testimony, it has not followed a strict chronology Stormy Daniels came in at a time that did not really coherent with the rest of the chronology. Here is where they will put it together and layer testimony and phone calls, emails, texts, to show you how the deals came together and why donald trump was always a participant. Most importantly, that he approved of and caused others to make false business records, all 34 of them come in 2017, as he was coming up with a way to repay Michael Cohen who at that point was no longer an employee of the Trump Organization and had to be paid through other means. Lisa rubin , thank you, i hope you get good rest and have a lot of caffeine this week. We will come back. Republicans flocked to the trial and say what he cant because of the gag order. No, that is not normal. A congressman joined us after a quick break. Yeah, weve spent a lot on this kitchen. Oh, yeah, really highend stuff. Sorry, thats our ghost. Yeah, okay. Hes more annoying than anything. Too bad theres mold behind the backsplash. [ sniffs ] yep, thats mold. Well, then, lets see if we can save you some money with progressive. Guess how much i originally paid for this fireplace . 23 bucks. Materials and labor. Just ignore him. You got bamboozled do you want to close out . Should i . Normally id hold. But. 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These are not just groupies but mostly elected officials and some very prominent. Including the sitting speaker of the house. Not only vying for his affection but trashing the entire Criminal Justice system, denouncing the court, witnesses, judge, and even the jury. These are politically motivated trials and they are a disgrace. Ladies and gentlemen of america, this trial is a joke. This is a middle crime. A woman who is paid for sex with a vengeance against the president. Disappointed at looking at the american citizens in the courtroom. A kangaroo court. A share prosecution. A sham. A sham. This is sham. The thing is, if they had confidence in his innocence, what these performances be necessary . There is something to be said about the clownish theater, like the entourage on tuesday wearing near identical suits with the same matching red ties. You cant make it up. Trump probably likes the ties. Lauren boebert didnt even notice her colleagues left her while she was talking. The absurdity of the arguments, complaining about the decorating in the courthouse saying the did you courtroom is too depressing of a place or donald trump to stand trial. I learned a lot from being there, one of the most depressing places in my life. That courtroom is depressing, this is new york city, an icon of our country and the courtroom is the most depressing thing, but that is what is happening in the country, the republican candidate for president is going to metalanguage in a courtroom that is very depressing. Metalanguage, the horror of it all. Heaven forbid. Speaker johnson is an Accountability Partner against sinful activity now defending a serial adulterer and his encounter with a porn star. No coincidence this Circuit Operation happening outside the court began days after the judge warned donald trump anymore violations of the gag order would land him in jail. Tommy tuberville admitted the purpose was to overcome the court impose restrictions on what trump can and cant say. As embarrassing as it is, something dark going on, not their fealty to donald trump but their willingness to tear down institutions that shows they are also ready to play the role of enabling his interest in challenging the outcome of the election in 2024 if he doesnt win. Andrew weissmann is with me again and joining us is ro khanna from california. The matching ties, Lauren Boebert being left behind, funny, but a clear sight of what they will do for donald trump, enable him as they did in 2020. What sticks out to you here . What is sad is there is no pride or independence in being in congress, article 1 of the constitution, when i was elected in 2016, the same year as donald trump, members of congress on the republican side who would snicker at embarrassing statements donald trump made, or apologize or almost be embarrassed. Today, that has changed. Donald trump is stronger in his hold on the Republican Party than he ever has been. They have basically have to pledge fealty to him, they want to be in his cabinet and curry favor with him, auditioned for being his running mate. It is sad. I will not ask you about the red tide matching strategy but the legal aspect. Some reported that donald trump was making edits to the remarks , they have clearly been out there making arguments on his behalf, saying things like saying things he cant. He cant direct others with the gag order. Is there any legal ramifications or will the parade continue . To find a violation there would have to be a hearing or witnesses to connect what the folks were saying to instructions from trump. Obviously, there were. Whether the District Attorney for the judge will be interested is another thing, i suspect they wont. With the introduction, the key one and the tearing down of institutions. When i think about this week, i think that, you have to look at what donald trump says about the Criminal Justice system, law enforcement, you can see a direct line to this minime people showing up at the courthouse to Justice Alito flying the flag upside down and saying president should not be criminal charge because you cannot trust the Criminal Justice system, a through line of an enormous strain of anti law enforcement, Si Institutionalism that goes from the Supreme Court to donald trump and through a swath of congress as well. So important to call that out and im so glad you did. This is not normal partisans do not typically attack institutions. I also wanted to add, ask you, congressman, Tommy Tuberville said the quiet part out loud, he said he was disappointed in the supposedly american citizens in the courtroom. It seemed v

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