Kamala harris. 60 days for the reelection and four days from the debate. If you don't mind mind letting me finish we can have a conversation. What to expect from the first debate between kamala harris and donald trump. Wrong. Wrong. It's been proved over and over again. Reporter: the new york criminal sentencing the latest trump spends the day in another court. If the defendant put his hands on her skirt why doesn't that qualify? the republican nominee's alibi for sexual assault. She would not have been the chosen one, she would not have been the chosen one. The trump vance ticket makes it known, school shootings are a fact of life we need to get over. I don't like this, i don't like that this is a fact of life. But you have to get over it. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york i am chris hayes, we are 60 days out from election day and if you were hoping to see donald trump go to jail before then it's not happening it was never going to happen before the election and it's officially not happening. Sentencing was supposed to happen this month for the 34 felony convictions in the new york hush money case. Today a manhattan judge agreed to delay his sentencing until late in november after the election we have more on that later. There's one event coming in just four days the first possibly the only debate between donald trump and vice president kamala harris. The debate will be hosted by the abc news philadelphia next tuesday according to the rules there will be no live audiences or opening statements in the hour and a half debate only moderators could ask the candidates questions and what's been painted as a win for the candidates in the might be muted when they are not on the clock to answer questions. The team wanted microphones to be out so viewers could hear all of trump's outbursts both camps see the debate as a make or break moment the most consequential debate in modern presidential history was almost certainly last month between president biden and donald trump in june. That debate was ultimately what led to president biden taking the unprecedented step of choosing to forgo the democratic party nomination so vice president harris could claim the top of the democratic ticket. Since then the campaign has been rolling and the trump polling lead has evaporated and it's down in the national polling average now which is why some insiders recently told the guardian they are praying for a debate when to boost the candidate. So it's probably going to be the biggest audience either candidate will speak to it will have certainly enormous ratings. He's been in dozens of debates. I think it will be his seventh when he does the general election. The debate with biden he was uncharacteristically sharp and focused for the first 20 minutes or so before he completely unraveled. For example here's one of his answers in the debate. The paris accord was going to cost us $1 trillion and china nothing and russia nothing and india nothing. It was a ripoff of the united states and i ended it because i didn't want to waste that money because they treated us horribly. No one was paying into this. It was a disaster but everything he said just now, i will give you an example, i'm the one that got the insulin down for the seniors and i took care of the seniors. What he is doing is destroying our medical programs because the migrants coming in and want everyone, look, of the biggest heart on this stage i guarantee and i want to take care of people but we are destroying our country and they are taking over the schools, hospitals, and they will take over social security. Is destroying social security, medicare, and medicaid. That's like a standard trump debate riff, almost everything he said there was completely untrue. Biden is the one who capped insulin at $35 a month with the bill he signed into law but what do you think the question was that he was answering there? give it a guess you're probably wrong. Former president trump you have vowed to end your opponents climate initiative but will you take any action as president to slow the climate crisis? the answer is no. Donald trump doesn't really have anything of substance to say if you move him off of any of his rally rifts the border, etc. he's got nothing but as the night goes on the more off topic he gets. We have seen that in the debate and with his convention speech. There will be zero fact checking of trump after the wild rant so the unanswered question is how harris will deal with this on the debate stage which would be the first time she and trump meet in person. She's reportedly been in debate prep with a former clinton aide standing in as he did in 2016. He has experience including in the presidential primary. At one point in the debates when the discussion and harris stalled the spotlight by calling out joe biden. I would like to speak on the issue. Okay. On the issue of race, i could not agree more that this is an issue that is not being talked about truthfully or honestly. There isn't a black man i know be here relative, friend, or coworker who hasn't been the subject of some form of profiling or discrimination. My sister and i had to deal with the neighbor who told us her parents couldn't play with us because we were black and i will say also in this campaign we have heard, i will direct this at vice president biden, i do not believe you are a racist. I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground but i also believe and it's personal, it was hurtful, to hear you talk about the reputations of two united states senators who built their reputations and careers on the segregation of race in this country. It was not only that but you also worked with them to oppose busing. There was a little girl in california who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools. She was bussed to school every day. That little girl was me. So i will tell you that on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate among democrats, we have to take this seriously and we have to act swiftly. As the attorney general of california i was proud to put in place a requirement that my special agent would wear body cameras and keep those cameras on. A testament to her performance and to biden's humility he chose her as his running mate after that exchange which was the exchange of that debate series. It gave her a chance to debate the sitting vice president mike pence. I think the american people know that this is a president who put america first and the american people i believe with my heart could be proud of the sacrifices they've made and have saved countless american lives. Senator harris, would you like to respond? absolutely whatever the vice president is claiming the administration has done, this clearly hasn't worked. Looking at 210,000 bodies in our country, american lives that have been lost in families that are grieving that loss, and you know, vice president is the head of the task force. He knew on january 28 how serious it was. Thanks to bob woodward we learned that they knew about it and when this was exposed the vice president said when asked well why didn't you tell anybody, he said because the president wanted people to remain calm. Susan, this is important. Mr. Vice president i am speaking. You got 15 more seconds and then we will give the vice president a chance. I want to ask the american people how calm were you when you are panicked about where you were going to get your next piece of toilet paper, when your kids were sent home from school and they didn't know when they could return? she's never debated trump before and it's a different matter completely. I'm not sure anyone has really figured this out yet. A former republican congressman in florida, a strategist who served as the senior advisor for the 2020 bidenharris campaign. This is the framework i was thinking of. Joe biden did a good job since the debate. It's unclear what winning the debate gets you in some senses because with trump what could you show about trump that has not been shown already so my question is, what do you see as being the goal for harris in this? you have to control what you can control. You have a huge audience and an opportunity to speak to them. What are you trying to do independent from what he does? i want to be very frank vice president harris is the underdog here, it will be the third cycle president were former president trump has debated in a presidential debate. With that, vice president harris will make her policy positions clear and continue to make she will push back on the dangerous extremist rhetoric that comes from president trump. I think vice president harris as we have seen in the clips prior as well as what we had seen in the judiciary hearings, she's very clear on prosecuting. I want us to make sure when we are watching someone for the first time having a presidential debate against the former president, someone who could not be controlled and to be honest in this campaign, these stipulations harris campaign has agreed to so it will be interesting to look at this and i'm looking forward to seeing how unpresidential president trump looks and how presidential vice president harris looks. Harris is worried she will be handcuffed by the debate rules by the biden campaign when he was the nominee but harris will fact checked donald trump. She wanted to do some interrupting herself. They finalized it to meet the candidates. Advisors are scrambling to re white to rewrite their playbook. I'm not sure that the exchange has been for the vice president that this will be the defining moment. I don't think there's anything donald trump could do which would really move a persuadable voter but i think there's a lot that vice president harris can't. With donald trump we've seen it all, he's assaulted vicks rooms he's assaulted victims. You name it he's done it. There's nothing more for him to do than move the needle on but with vice president harris i think it is less about how she answers or what she says in her answers than how. We know she will do well on the debate. She played the clips of someone who's a seasoned prosecutor and seasoned at the debate. The ultimate question for the voters who will be taking the measure of vice president harris at the debate is not whether they believe her or if they believe in her. Coming off of the momentum of the democratic national convention, there was this swell and support of people saying i believe in vice president harris as the person to lead the country. I believe price vice president harris is the boat we should take. They will take the debate stage. This is the person i believe in. Whether or not they will vote for donald trump, vice president harris has the enormous upside. There's almost you know, sort of not taking the bait. She showed herself adept in terms of the campaign stuff. The interview she got. That's him doing what he does. It is harder in the room and one of the difficult things, he said those lies about i did the insulin, he will say these things that you've got this kind of, you know a fork in the road. A decision tree. What he said about july, do you go back and rebut that or how do you do miss dismiss this to move on and not get pulled into spending all of your time fact checking the things he says that aren't true? i think that's a unique position that the democratic nominee is in. Especially if the moderators don't do fact checking i will say i think what they have on their side is the fact that a lot of these lies, getting fact checked by the administration. His lies could be fact checked with the policy positions and plans moving forward. There are so many ways that creatively vice president harris could rebut his lies and also tell the american people what she plans to do going forward. There's so many policies that they continue to roll out. They are seeing the difference. They are seeing donald trump, they are trying to stay on message and be clear about our policies. I think that idea that you have got however tens of many people he ends millions of people watching. In some ways he's an obstacle to you communicating with them and to them about what you want to do so i don't know how money people know, they've got a good ambitious affordable housing agenda. It's the most affordable housing agenda i've seen for a democratic national candidate in the time of covered democratic politics. It could go pretty well. One in 20 voters might know about this. It's the opportunity to do that. Whatever he is saying. It's an opportunity to communicate that. I think vice president harris would be dismissive of donald trump. Focus on engaging with the moderators and to your point, the moderators have to do more this time. They've got to call a lie a life like you did during the last debate other otherwise it's not a newsworthy event if they let this go unchecked but if you are vice president harris from the economy to the renewed strength of america on the world stage to positions on protecting democracy or access to healthcare and access to education and the stock market, focus in on talking about your records or plans for giving up the future with the moderator and prepare for the pushback with hard questions. To me that is the exchange that will sell this for vice president harris between her and moderators. It's not hard to get him to take the bait. He wanted to relitigate the suckers and losers talking about fallen soldiers he returned to that. There's some things if you bring them up in the election that wasn't stolen. He will go to them over and over and over. So that's another thing he's got against him. 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