Tonight on all in, and Msnbc Exclusive Interview with Kamala Harris. I am not perfect, but i will tell you im always going to put the needs of the people first. Tonight, the democratic nominee lays out her vision for america and prosecutes the economic case against her opponent. Making trump one of the biggest losers ever on manufacturing. Secretary Javier Becerra on terms plan for your healthcare. You still do not have a plan . I have concepts of a plan. Is Mark Robinsons own campaign runs away from him i dont know if i like that comment. You should like it because you are outstanding and youre going to be the next governor. What happened when Donald Trump returned to North Carolina. Is an outstanding person. All in starts right now. Welcome back to the second hour of the Special Edition of all in. Tonight, Harris Sat down with Stephanie Ruhle for an exclusive interview focused on her economic plan where she laid out her vision for america. My vision for the economy, i call it an opportunity economy, is about making sure that all americans wherever they start, wherever they are, have the ability to achieve those dreams and those ambitions which include for middleclass families, just being able to know that their hard work allows them to get ahead. I think we cant and we should not aspire to have an economy that just allows people to get by. People want to do more than just get by. They want to get ahead. Earlier today in pittsburgh, harris explained the three pillars of her economic plan which includes lowering cost for the middle class, investing in entrepreneurship and making america a global manufacturing leader. The Vice President also made sure to emphasize the contrast between her economic vision and her opponents, or his lack thereof. Frankly and i say this in all sincerity, hes just not very serious about how he thinks about some of these issues. One must be serious and have a plan, and the real plan that is not just about some Talking Point Ending in an exclamation at a political rally, but actually putting the thought into what would be the return on investment. What would be the economic impact on everyday people and when you look at my plans you will see what those benefits will be. 25,000 down Payment Assistance for firsttime homebuyers. That means you are creating the ability of that working person to build intergenerational wealth. Doing the work of the 6000 child tax credit, doing the work of a 50,000 Tax Deduction for firsttime small businesses, startups, because right now to begin, its about paying attention to the detail and being serious about it. Im serious about my enthusiasm for small businesses and what they will do as part of americans economic engine. The republican nominee doesnt really have whatever you might call plan. Hes been doing his salesman pattern, basically saying whatever it takes to get you in a car. When i am back in that beautiful white house, we will pass larger Tax Cuts for workers and we have a special tax that here is going to do i think quite well. Its called no tax on tips. I am also announcing that as part of our additional Tax Cuts, we will and all taxes on overtime. You know what that means . And then for the seniors, which will be fantastic because they have been devastated by inflation, this would just about make up for it, we are going to have no tax on social security benefits. That is like hundreds of billions of trillions of dollars, maybe. Depends on how you counted up. The latest one is this pathetic pandering to affluent folks in high tax states promising to reverse his own tax law, The One he signed, his Signature Peach Piece of legislation of Donald Trumps time and office that caps Tax Deductions and raised taxes as a result. Saving american industry and raising revenue by imposing massive tariffs. Of course, those costs largely get passed on to american consumers which would amount to an acrosstheboard sales tax, maybe 5 trillion. We dont really know the amount. If these big promises seems familiar, i think the tariffs probably will happen, that is because this has always been trumps style. Shortly after the 2016 election he showed up in Indianapolis Carrier plant to declare he had saved 800 jobs from going overseas. Companies are not going to leave the united states anymore without consequences. Not going to happen. Its not going to happen tell you right now. We are going to have a lot of Phone Calls made to companies when they say theyre thinking about leaving this country because they are not leaving this country. Theyre not going to leave this country and the workers are going to keep their jobs. So what happened . He said that in 2016. As Kamala Harris recalled today, that was a lie. You will remember carrier then offshore and hundreds of jobs to mexico under his watch. And, it was not just there. On trumps watch, off shoring went up and Manufacturing Jobs went down across our country. And, across our economy, all told, almost 200,000 Manufacturing Jobs were lost during his presidency starting before the pandemic hit. Making trump one of the biggest losers ever on manufacturing. Obviously she is sticking the knife in there. That is an Applause Line but again this is all on the record. It is not speculative. We have the data. This happened in the past. It tells us what really happened under Donald Trumps leadership. This graph shows the number of Manufacturing Jobs in america. The Red Portion of the line represents the years Donald Trump was in office. The Vice President is correct. The country had a net loss of about 190,000 Manufacturing Jobs under Donald Trump. On the far right of your screen you will see the line turns blue again, continues to shoot up, surpassing precovid levels before settling just under 13 million. President biden and Vice President harris have overseen the massive gain of more than 700,000 Manufacturing Jobs. You could say well, you know, whoever is president gets Credit Or Blame but lets look at another metric of Policy Matters and i will bet you not one in 1000 voters know this but it is an important one. This is total spending on Manufacturing Construction across the country, that is building new factories, building new facilities that will make more new goods right here in america. Again, Take A Look at the Red Portion of the line. Under Donald Trumps presidency it was basically static as it had been for lots of terms before him. Check out what that blueline does when it turns blue again. Right . That is policy. Those are the policies of the Bidenharris Administration like the Inflation Reduction Act in the chipset, spending on Manufacturing Construction is booming. It has more than tripled since Joe Biden and Kamala Harris took office. You could see it happening on the ground. This is not fictitious. This map shows all the new Battery Manufacturing and Supply Chain investments just through last summer, over 100 Billion worth amounting to over 75,000 new jobs. Again, this is stuff being built now. This map shows new Microchip Manufacturing projects in the works being built by several companies from New York to idaho. Again, none of this was happening under Donald Trump. This is all biden Hi Harris policy. Whatever you say about Donald Trump, the facts are the facts. He did not reignite american manufacturing. He is one major piece of legislation, cut taxes for corporations and rich people disproportionately. Meanwhile, the Bidenharris Administration accomplished what Donald Trump promised but could not achieve. Sarah longwell is publisher of the bulwark. Alexi mcalpin is msnbc political analyst. They both join me now. Sarah, let me start with you because i just said i bet you not one in the thousand voters could tell you about this chart which i think is probably true and again, charts are charts. Its my job to look at charts. Its not the Voters Job to look at the charts but it does seem to be like this basic truth about the record and it really is true like there was a big policy push. Manufactured construction, chipsets, chips act, Inflation Reduction Act seems particularly unknown to voters in your Swing Voter Focus group. Honestly, i think it has a lot to do with the fact that Joe Biden was not a strong communicator for a lot of his term. You know, he did not have the ability i think to go out there and just sell, sell, sell this all day long. Also, i think there was a tension between Joe Biden declaring the economy sort of back and calling it bidenomics a time when people were still feeling the cost of inflation. What i hear from people the most is the cost of milk, custom eggs, their Grocery Bill and how i think things have been slowly improving for people im not sure it has accelerated in such a way for people say i just feel a massive difference in my dayto day life. What i like about the way Kamala Harris has been running her campaign and articulating her strategy on the economy is that she is able to Joe Biden i think was kind of defensive about his record where he wanted to grab those charts and say but wait a minute, look at all the things we did. Why dont people understand this and that defensiveness i think kind of worked against him because what Kamala Harris is able to do is just look forward. What you want is for people to not feel the acute pain they were feeling before and get them focused on what are we doing next and i think she is doing two things that i hear breaking through with people. Number one is she talks about the middle class all the time and people are hearing it. I understand both that she is for the middle class and from the middle class. That is something i hear from voters and the other thing is, she is leading in to building. Shes talking about innovation. She is talking about building houses. Shes talking about building buildings, doing it faster, doing it more efficiently, cutting Red Tape and i think for the Centerright Swing voters, that is what theyre looking for, that feels Common Sense to them. I like that she is going offense on the economy because too often democrats see this ground to trump. I think they dont fight hard enough for it and i think she is going forward and that is good. That is a great point on the defensiveness because i think it is true. I think i understand why the president felt that way because they really did do an incredible job of macroeconomic management amidst a bunch of challenges but you are right that it is a losing battle. People dont care about your record or not. What they care about is what is going to happen next. Tonight i do think the Building Stuff and housing is a very smart play in which substance and substantively the policy is right. It needs more supply and you see that housing is one of the main Pain Points right now. It is one of the main Pain Points even and especially with young voters, i mean folks who have been renting apartments for years and years, seeing the rent go up, wanting to be able to afford a house and be able to invest in a place rather than rent, so it is not just people starting families. It is really these younger voters who care about housing and again it is something voters across the country feel deeply for the hear someone say i am from the middle class. I know what its like not to be able to own a home, to rent, to have to work hard to pay off a mortgage really resonating with the kind of Average American who is not just struggling but who is looking at these choices and hearing one clear plan from the left and then looking at someone like Donald Trump and hearing a great well, he will impose tariffs on some other country and that will magically cure my Housing Affordability issues. Its interesting. The Tariff Thing is genuinely one of the most deranged proposals ive ever covered in politics, like a 10 Acrossthe Board Tariff would inaugurate probably the worst Trade War in the world since the 1920s. After that trade where we had the Great Depression globally. Those two were somewhat connected. It would increase prices. It is truly crazy to watch him answer questions from voters like had you bring down Grocery Prices and hes like we are going to tariff other countries. That will do the opposite. I do worry and understand why none of that scans to voters, that like the fact that he is talking about taxing these people and harris is using that language now but i wonder where you think that messaging is and is not working around the tariffs . I mean, the way he talks about tariff is truly economically illiterate, and it sort of reminds me of the we are going to build the wall in mexico is going to pay for it. Its exactly that. He thinks mexico is going to pay for that wall and im not sure these voters can clock whether or not the tariffs is is more of a posture more than an economic plan and what drives me crazy about it actually is the fact that there is not more pushback from republicans. They are against terrorists. They are for free markets. It blows my mind. All Trump Policy exists constantly and always and simultaneously is like obvious bs in the genuinely alarming promise. That is the Promise Problem of analyzing all of this. I think the Tariff Stuff is in the genuinely alarming category. Had, one of the most consequential policy issues of this or any campaign in Donald Trump has a concept of a plan for healthcare. What we will do is we were looking at different plants. If we can come up with a plan that is going to cost our people, our population less money and be better healthcare than Obama Care than i would absolutely do it but until then , i have run it as good as it can be run. So, you still do not have a plan . I have concepts of a plan. After vowing to repeal and replace the affordable Care Act for nine years, Donald Trump still has no plan, just concepts of a plan, a line that became a viral meme pretty much instantly. Is still do not have a plan. I have concepts of a plan. Im not president of right now. So just yes or no, you still do not have a plan . Are just a yes or no you still do not have a plan . I have concepts of a plan. Im not president right now. In the past decade the affordable Care Act has gotten healthcare for millions of americans. You can be forgiven for thinking republicans of given up repealing it but they have not. Theyre hoping to take away a key feature that makes it all work. Jd vance explains how on the Campaign Trail last week. We are going to actually implement some regulatory reform in the Healthcare System that allows people to choose a Health Care Plan that works for them. What that will also do is allow people with similar Health Situations to be in the same Risk Pool so that makes our Healthcare System work better. It makes it work better for people with chronic issues and also makes it work better for everybody else. It does not make it work better for people with chronic issues. If you stick people in different Risk Pools depending on their preexisting issues, that sounds familiar because it was part of the republican House Attempt to repeal and replace the aca back in 2017. A tiered system of insurance the congressional Budget Office said, would create a situation for people with expensive conditions in which premiums would be so high in some areas that the plans would have no enrollment. The whole point of Health Insurances that premiums from healthy people help subsidize benefits for people with chronic conditions. If you start segregating by risk, thats great for young healthy people. They will pay less because they need less care but if you are old or sick, your premiums are going to skyrocket in the thing about Human Life is that all of us will go from one category to the other, which is why you want one Risk Pool. So, trump Advances Plan is to go back to the same bad idea americans are rejected over and over again for the last 10 years. Now becerra has served as secretary of Health Administration services since 2021. Mr. Secretary, its good to have you here. Lets talk about the structure of the aca as a matter of policy is the man who probably more than any other individual in the government oversees the implementation of the affordable Care Act. What would happen if you changed it structurally so that you started segregating out different Risk Poles . What would happen is we would see what we saw before 1965, when President Johnson enacted medicare. Old people had a hard time Finding Insurance because as you said, if you are old you probably are getting sicker, faster more often and you are costing an Insurance Company more so insurers did not want to ensure older americans. It took medicare, where the federal government came back and financed and backed up the system to finally get 65 and older healthcare coverage. Right, because what you want to take premiums from the 69 Yearold Or 72yearold . You dont. As you said, you want the healthiest, youngest, wealthiest people to be on your plans. In effect, the old System Sort of worked through this kind of cherry picking, right . Even after you have medicare so people who are 65 or older are in that pool but i remember looking at some of the Aca Repeal plans estimating premiums for someone who is 63 and maybe has had some health issues. Youre looking at 26,000 a year. Theres no way to make the math work, is there . No. What happens is people will pull to where they can pay least and if youre 26 years of age are not going to go in with someone who is 56 years of age, so what happens is all those 50 years olds are going to be stuck in plans that are very expensive because no one wants to be pulled with them in the aca makes sure we prevent that. That is why we have the protection against preexisting conditions. You cannot watch an Insurance Company say to you chris, im not going to ensure you because you have an existing condition which would cost a lot of money. You cannot discriminate that