Starts now. Tonight on the reidout you know, these are smart, smart people. They're not so stupid. But they have to be taught. If you had one really violent day, one rough hour, and i mean real rough, the word will get out and it will end immediately. End immediately. A new low as trump advocates for a day of violence. A national blood letting, essentially the purge. That's his rhetoric takes an even more sinister and dangerous turn. Also tonight, bernie moreno, the republican running for senate in ohio, doubles down on his weird comment that women over 50 need not be concerned about abortion because apparently their bodily autonomy doesn't matter anymore. His opponent, sherrod brown, joins me. But we begin tonight with an answer, at long last, to the question many in the political world have wondered over the last eight years since trump went from reality show host, failed casino magnate, and frequent wwe performer to presidential candidate, declaring he would make america great again. And having failed to make it all that great and getting fired by 81 million americans for botching america's covid response, vowing that he would make america great again again. And that question is, when is it that trump thinks america was great the first time? was it the 1980s through the early 2000s when he was actually popular? the '50s that the most that many women could look forward to was a new vacuum. No, got to go back further. You know, our country in the 1890s was probably the wealthiest it ever was because it was a system of tariffs. And we had a president, you know, mckinley, you remember mt. Mckinley and then they changed the name. One of the things, he was really a very good businessman and he took in billions of dollars at the time, which today it's always trillions, but then it was billions and probably hundreds of millions. But we were a very wealthy country. There we have it, the mckinley era. 1897 to 1901, when william mckinley who was actually not a businessman, succeeded his former union military commander rutherford b. Hayes who led the abandonment of the antislavery heritage in favor of betrayering the formerly enslaved to remove union troops from the south and make him president, when he bet it all on big business. After his military service, bill mckinley returned to his native ohio, got a law degree, ran for congress, and in 1890 became the chair of the powerful house ways and means committee. The committee that determines the budget and spending. There, he became the architect, and here's why old don loves him, of the mckinley tariffs. The highest tariffs ever in u. S. History. The idea behind the mckinley tariffs was to protect domestic industries from foreign competition. But keep in mind, this was a time when the u. S. Was an emerging manufacturing economy, where we pretty much built everything at home, not like today when we import everything from video game systems to tvs to beer, tequila, wine, and food. All of which would cost more if you slapped on tariffs. Probably just a coincidence maybe that the same year as mckinley's tariffs the u. S. Faced a massive wheat crop failure that meant importing foreign wheat, didn't seem like a good look for tariffs. And three years later in 1893, the u. S. Sunk into a massive fiveyear recession with 10% unemployment and massive bank failures but i digress. Mckinley's support for high tariffs got him something really useful in politics, a really rich sponsor named mark alonzo hannah, who bankrolled mckinley's political career, funding his successful run for ohio governor in 1891, which he held until 1896, and then his run for president that year. Mckinley's presidency wasn't just about tariffs. It was also about empire. After an explosion on a u. S. Battleship called the maine, that was later found to be just a structural failure, not sabotage, the u. S. Launched a war against spain to take cuba, puerto rico, guam, and the philippines out of their empire and utthe latter three into ours. And mckinley launched an open door trade policy with china, having updated to something called reciprocity. You trade with us, we'll trade with you. After his vp died of a heart attack, he ran for reelection in 1900 with a new running mate, referred to as that damned teddy roosevelt. His run ended in 1901, though, when sadly, mckinley was assassinated by an anarchist who shot him in the chest in the pan american exposition in buffalo, new york, clearing the way for the progressive roosevelt administration and the vast saving of public lands which maga republicans also hate. They want to drill, baby, drill, and sell those lands to billionaires. Billionaire developers. But what you need to know about this era that donald trump says is the time when america was great before he made it great again is not just remember the maine or mt. Mckinley, which by the way, was renamed denali under the obama administration to restore its indigenous alaskan name, which is probably why trump is so sore about it, the 1890s fell smack dab in the middle of the gilded age. It was a time of rapid industrialization and extreme wealth inequality. A time when the super rich got richer and richer, because the u. S. Had no income taxes. Which would not be passed until 1909, and ratified in 1913 under democrat woodrow wilson. Workers during the gilded age toughed it out in scara conditions with no uniunions, n overtime, and no protection. It was two decades before women got the right to vote, unions got the right to organize, children were barred from working in factories and mines. Nonwhite immigrants weren't blocked from coming to america, and black americans got a new civil rights act, a voting rights act, and supreme court decisions insuring their right to vote, to go to the theater or eat in a restaurant free from segregation and abuse, or to attend majority white schools. In other words, in the mckinley era, america was pretty much only great for men like donald trump. Tomorrow, in new york city, trump's 1890s vision of american greatness and kamala harris' call to move the country forward toward an opportunity economy will be on display in the form of a debate between their running mates, jd vance and tim walz. And the two men couldn't be more different. Like bill mckinley, vance was in the military, though as a communications guy, not a fighter. And his mark hannah who bankrolled his career is billionaire peter thiel. The trump campaign is backed by other quirky billionaires including elon musk who is effectively running their ground game, and of course, trump is running on a vow to implement mckinley style massive tariffs and return us to the gilded age with another round of extravagant tax cuts for billionaires like musk and thiel. While tim walz, a former football coach and 24year military man and kamala harris are running a kind of bread and butter fairness for the little guy hold the super rich and corporations to account campaign that would make that damn teddy roosevelt proud, but to win, they'll have to convince a majority of americans they do not want to go back to trump and they do not want to live in a mckinley style america. And here to discuss how they might do that and to preview tomorrow night's debate is senator amy klobuchar from minnesota. It's great to be here. Great to be on, joy. Thank you, now that i am extracted from my history worm hole, i think it's interesting when donald trump makes a reveal, because it's obvious that somebody told him who william mckinley is, because i highly doubt he knew who he was, but it's interesting he's so attracted to a gilded age republican. I was listening to your opening and thinking only donald trump would want to take us back to a time when we only had 45 states, by the way, joy, when the wright brothers were still on bicycles and women couldn't vote. I mean, that is like way back, just as they're trying to do when it comes to women's rights to make their own decisions about their health care. The exact same thing. Literally, they're citing a law that was in place, the comstock act, before there was even a yellowstone prequel, and what i love about kamala harris and tim walz is they have an economic plan for the future. Leading with small businesses and entrepreneurs. Focusing on things workers need, like child care and housing. Refusing to put in place something that would amount if donald trump's proposal would do to a $4,000 national sales tax on every american family. Instead, they're looking at taking on the case, as you made the point here, for the people of this country. And the gilded age, maybe you know i wrote a book called antitrust, it was in fact teddy roosevelt who was the first president who actually took this on. And before that, it was a country of monopoly after monopoly after monopoly and a very difficult time for workers. And that is why you are the perfect guest for this segment, senator. Yes, because you clearly know this era very well. Everyone wants to talk about antitrust the night before the vice presidential debate, oh, yeah. I mean, i do. I'm a nerd. I do. And i love that you point that out. People are literally calling what trump is trying to initiate a tequila tax, because i don't think people fully understand a massive tariff like what mckinley had, when we're not a manufacturing economy, they had a recession then for five years. What you're talking about is your imported tequila, your imported beer that comes from mexico, your imported beer from germany, your tvs, your video game systems, all of it goes up by the percentage of that tariff. To be clear, there's a place for tariffs, when you see steel dumping from china and the bides/harris administration have been very strong on that and keeping those tariffs in place. I mean, there is a place for it. But he would have this be a global wide national tariff that would amount to this tact as opposed to using it when necessary with specific industries and specific countries. Let's play also, because the issue of women, this has to come up tomorrow. Cbs said they're not going to fact check these two debaters. But if they don't bring this up, it would be a complete media failure. Here is jd vance talking about women. We're effectively run in this country via the democrats, via our corporate oligarchs by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices they have made so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too. Just to be a little stark about this, i think we have to go to war against the antichild ideology that exists in our country. When you go to the polls in this country as a parent, you should have more power, you should have more of an ability to speak your voice in our democratic republic than people who don't have kids. Let's tax the things that are bad and not tax the things that are good. If you're making $100,000, $400,000 a year, and you have three kids, you should pay a different lower tax rate than if you're making the same amount and you don't have any kids. Between that and donald trump calling kamala harris mentally impaired and stupid, the war on women is full on. How do you you know tim walz, governor walz. How do you expect him to respond? first, tim walz is someone who has worked with a lot of strong women. He's worked with me, as his u. S. Senator and with tina smith, my colleague. His lieutenant governor peggy flanagan is a very strong leader. Then you have his wife, gwen, and he has from the very beginning, from the minute, for instance, here's one example in addition to what he's done to make sure kids in school get their lunches, to make sure that there's a strong work family leave policy, the minute that dobbs decision came out and roe v. Wade was overturned he was one of the first governors who signed into law protection for the women of our state that they would be able to keep their reproductive rights. So you just go through his record, and you're going to see someone who is very strong on the rights of women. And that includes in the economy. When we look at some of these decisions from, you know, let's say 1890. I don't know why that year is on my mind today, but when you look at that, it wasn't just they didn't have the right to vote and they didn't they couldn't even sign certain rights to property. It's also how they were treated if they did work in the workplace. And i don't need to go back to that, to 1890, but you look at the changes that have been made by and the advocacy of people like kamala harris, you go way back to when president obama came in, and the lilly ledbetter law was signed it to place to make sure women had the right to equal pay in the workplace. You look at all the work that's been done. We don't want to go back to 1890. I think tim walz will be a really effective person to make that case because he came from nothing and he then was a teacher. He's had real world experiences. And he's not someone that has a peter thiel behind him. There you go. Amen. Senator amy klobuchar, i suspect people are going to be running on zam to get your book because it's very apropos to this moment. Thank you very much. Great to be on. Thank you so much. Coming up, trump's increasingly deranged rhetoric reaches a new low. That's next. T. Plan from unitedhealthcare. With this type of plan, you'll know upfront about how much your care costs. Which makes planning your financial future easier. So call unitedhealthcare today to learn more about the only plans of their kind with the aarp name. And set yourself and your future self up with an aarp medicare supplement plan from unitedhealthcare. Liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i saved hundreds. 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