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but who would lead it? there could be lots of infighting in the weeks ahead for control of the group. live now to lou osborn, co author of the book wagner, at the heart of the prigozhin system, and investigator for all eyes on wagner, a non for profit research group tracking their activities. welcome to the programme. it's like an ecosystem, there is lots of businesses, lots of mercenaries, mercenary groups floating in and out of it. lucrative and of course. does that mean that we are in for a period of blood—letting in the next few weeks? i’m period of blood-letting in the next few weeks?— period of blood-letting in the next fewweeks? �* ., , ., , few weeks? i'm not too sure actually that it's time — few weeks? i'm not too sure actually that it's time for _ few weeks? i'm not too sure actually that it's time for a _ few weeks? i'm not too sure actually that it's time for a blood _ few weeks? i'm not too sure actually that it's time for a blood battle, - few weeks? i'm not too sure actually that it's time for a blood battle, i - that it's time for a blood battle, i think that battle actually artie took place in some ways and it happensjust after took place in some ways and it happens just after the mutiny, took place in some ways and it happensjust after the mutiny, this is when actually the wagner group
process or could there now be a process of blood—letting as other wagner figures try to wreak their revenge? i wagner figures try to wreak their revenue? ., wagner figures try to wreak their revenue? ~ ., , .,, ., revenge? i think what this has done it as it a very _ revenge? i think what this has done it as it a very powerful _ revenge? i think what this has done it as it a very powerful message - revenge? i think what this has done j it as it a very powerful message and a signal— it as it a very powerful message and a signal and — it as it a very powerful message and a signal and struck— it as it a very powerful message and a signal and struck quite _ it as it a very powerful message and a signal and struck quite a - it as it a very powerful message and a signal and struck quite a lot- a signal and struck quite a lot of fear into— a signal and struck quite a lot of fear into the _ a signal and struck quite a lot of fear into the hearts _ a signal and struck quite a lot of fear into the hearts of _ a signal and struck quite a lot of fear into the hearts of anybody. a signal and struck quite a lot of. fear into the hearts of anybody who might _ fear into the hearts of anybody who might have — fear into the hearts of anybody who might have continued _ fear into the hearts of anybody who might have continued to _ fear into the hearts of anybody who might have continued to side - might have continued to side with yevgeny— might have continued to side with yevgeny prigozhin _ might have continued to side with yevgeny prigozhin after _ might have continued to side with yevgeny prigozhin after the - might have continued to side with. yevgeny prigozhin after the mutiny. ithink— yevgeny prigozhin after the mutiny. i think it's _ yevgeny prigozhin after the mutiny. i think it's a — yevgeny prigozhin after the mutiny. i think it's a large _ yevgeny prigozhin after the mutiny. i think it's a large response - yevgeny prigozhin after the mutiny. i think it's a large response from . i think it's a large response from those _ i think it's a large response from those who— i think it's a large response from those who still— i think it's a large response from those who still supported - i think it's a large response from i those who still supported yevgeny prigozhin — those who still supported yevgeny prigozhin in — those who still supported yevgeny prigozhin in the _ those who still supported yevgeny prigozhin in the past _ those who still supported yevgeny prigozhin in the past two - those who still supported yevgeny prigozhin in the past two months. | those who still supported yevgeny. prigozhin in the past two months. it is much _ prigozhin in the past two months. it is much more — prigozhin in the past two months. it is much more likely— prigozhin in the past two months. it is much more likely to _ prigozhin in the past two months. it is much more likely to create - prigozhin in the past two months. it is much more likely to create a - is much more likely to create a sense — is much more likely to create a sense of— is much more likely to create a sense of perhaps _ is much more likely to create a sense of perhaps jaded - sense of perhaps jaded disillusionment- sense of perhaps jaded disillusionment among| sense of perhaps jaded - disillusionment among those sense of perhaps jaded _ disillusionment among those people who still— disillusionment among those people who still saw— disillusionment among those people who still saw yevgeny— disillusionment among those people who still saw yevgeny prigozhin - disillusionment among those people who still saw yevgeny prigozhin as l disillusionment among those people who still saw yevgeny prigozhin as a kind of— who still saw yevgeny prigozhin as a kind of speaking _ who still saw yevgeny prigozhin as a kind of speaking truth _ who still saw yevgeny prigozhin as a kind of speaking truth to _ who still saw yevgeny prigozhin as a kind of speaking truth to power, - who still saw yevgeny prigozhin as a kind of speaking truth to power, as. kind of speaking truth to power, as criticising _ kind of speaking truth to power, as criticising leadership _ kind of speaking truth to power, as criticising leadership of _ kind of speaking truth to power, as criticising leadership of the - criticising leadership of the russian _ criticising leadership of the russian only— criticising leadership of the russian only for— criticising leadership of the russian only for their- criticising leadership of the i russian only for their failures. criticising leadership of the - russian only for their failures. but another— russian only for their failures. but another march _ russian only for their failures. but another march on _ russian only for their failures. but another march on moscow, - russian only for their failures. but i another march on moscow, another wave _ another march on moscow, another wave of— another march on moscow, another wave of anger? _ another march on moscow, another wave of anger? more _ another march on moscow, anotherl wave of anger? more blood—letting, more _ wave of anger? more blood—letting, more opposition? _ wave of anger? more blood—letting, more opposition? i— wave of anger? more blood—letting, more opposition? ithink— wave of anger? more blood—letting, more opposition? i think it's- wave of anger? more blood—letting, more opposition? i think it's in- more opposition? i think it's in fact quite — more opposition? i think it's in fact quite unlikely _ more opposition? i think it's in fact quite unlikely consideringl more opposition? i think it's in. fact quite unlikely considering the strength— fact quite unlikely considering the strength of— fact quite unlikely considering the strength of the _ fact quite unlikely considering the strength of the message - fact quite unlikely considering the strength of the message that - fact quite unlikely considering the. strength of the message that putin hasiust_ strength of the message that putin has just sent~ — strength of the message that putin hasjust sent-— strength of the message that putin has just sent. hasjust sent. interesting coming to talk to ou
rules had been followed in downing street. it may well criticise some of his conduct when he gave evidence to mps earlier this year as well. and we know that the report is going to have said that if borisjohnson had quit parliament —— had not had quit parliament, as he did so dramatically on friday, he should have been suspended for more than ten days. that matters because it would have meant that the process which could have triggered a by—election would have started. it does seem a bit like borisjohnson jumped before he was pushed. but he's very angry, his are very angry, there's a good —— his allies are very angry, there is a good chance we will get a vote this week or next on the contents of this report which could lead to another round of blood—letting in the conservative party is with borisjohnson's allies saying, this is a stitch up. others are saying, in the words of one tory mp, that borisjohnson should shut
shot down. that's on top of the number of drones. these are the much more unsophisticated drones manufactured in iran, john, that are used to soak up the air defenses that the ukrainians say they so desperately need to protect themselves against just these sorts of attacks. this is now at least three or four months into a concerted campaign by russia using the drones and cruise missiles to try to break the back of ukraine's capacity to generate power. and of course that is all being conducted during the winter, when power is in most desperate need. now, it's an effectively tried to undermine the capacity of the civilian administration to reinforce their military options as the blood letting continues, particularly in the east, particularly around the city of bakhmut, where the russians are throwing huge amounts of men and material into that fight. the ukrainians can't really understand why because that town is, john, not particularly streejly important. but they believe that the
know the victims, that still has not been answered as you're making clear. so what is your working theory on this? >> well, i was one of the unpopular theorists from the beginning who thought this was an outlier who really did not see this being the work of somebody in the inner circle. because then it would suggest the motive was going to be revenge, vindictive, drugs, anything, a payback if you will because of the frenetic nature of the crime. most people jumped to the conclusion that it was a crime of passion or anger. but i never saw that. it was overkill. and that to men indicated this that person was trying to fulfill some inner need for blood letting that it was fantasy based and not emotion based. and when we found out that this suspect is a ph.d criminology student, there are people that attractive to criminology for all of the wrong reasons.
y, z. this is really a process argument and it's really kevin mccarthy trying to pursue his highest ambition. at a point folks are going to get tired. >> the chaos caucus, and i hate to admit this, is winning right now. they're holding their breath waiting for everybody else to turn blue. the challenge is they understand leverage, the power of five. now, they have 19 or 20, so they have more than they need. that's all they can do. they have no problem taking this thing to the brink. they live for this. at some point the adults in the house republican conference are going to have to stand up, as david said, and they'll have to have a conversation with kevin mccarthy. how long do we want this blood-letting to go on that's damaging the institution, the congress, the country and the party? i think they have to have that conversation. when do they have it? >> they do have leverage right now, as long as these votes are going on they have leverage. they've won all the battles that 245 they're going to win.
fantasized to the point of obsession, the idea of blood-letting, the macabre. somebody who loves slasher victims, violent pornography. plays a lot of video games that involve bloodletting and combat. he's obsessed with bloodshed because it was a horrific bloody scene. there would be a lot more clues left behind and a suspect by now. given the amount of bloodshed, the high risk of killing four students this killer is extremely organized or extremely lucky and we're coming up on two weeks and zero suspects. >> police believe this is perhaps targeted to one student. what is it that would make law enforcement say that? i mean, potentially, they have some evidence of that, correct? >> i don't think so. i think that that's just congr conjecture on their part.
many of your employees, we don't know the exact figures but if it is up to 50%, that is a very dramatic move. you cannot do that without blood—letting and affecting the company culture and also for an established business that is going to cause a major concern amongst their customers. how will this affect company culture because i'm sure not only will that change life for people outside of twitter of twitter who are leaving, but also those who remain on twitter. they're going to be wondering what is going on? what sort of company am i going to work for that can let go of people so quickly? exactly. we know that employees had been concerned for many months with this tale of elon musk�*s acquisition of twitter has been going on. they have been very concerned and they have seen that many of their concerns have materialised. and twitter is going to be a very different company from now on so, certainly, that is going to cause concern amongst even those who still remain
biden's poll numbers stuck in the low 40's. the sitting president has largely been absent from the trail in the final weeks of the campaign. nobody is more in demand than obama. even as stars of the party's biggest drew and chief based motivator there is unmistakable fear that even he can't prevent what may end up be inevitable blood letting on november 8th. it is former president obama going to all the battle ground state going to nevada today. do you think he can make a difference on the campaign trail? >> he is charismatic so he has the star power. people want to come out and see him. but what the democrats are failing to realize is that the american people are not voting right now for personalities. they are not voting for star power. they are not voting on what looks like social media. they are voting for policies first. and they know the democrats are standing by their bad policies when it comes to the economy, when did comes to the border and certainly when it comes to crime. the democrats are not moving away from their felon and thug
but everyone else onto a three points, he has the biggest brand recognition in the country, the best organised campaign, the biggest number of supporters that there is one wild card watches that boris johnson's acolytes very much not like rishi sunak at the moment. they blame him for the regicide that brought the prime minister down and i think they will move to try to stop them becoming pm. whether that works i don't know but we have seen this dossier going around attacking his government record downing street described him as treacherous word we cannot see at this time in the morning but it's already getting quite a nasty contest. it morning but it's already getting quite a nasty contest.— quite a nasty contest. it is. we read a lot _ quite a nasty contest. it is. we read a lot about _ quite a nasty contest. it is. we read a lot about smears - quite a nasty contest. it is. we read a lot about smears and i quite a nasty contest. it is. we i read a lot about smears and blood letting and mudslinging. is that, that does that go with the territory for any leadership campaign or is this particularly bloody? i for any leadership campaign or is this particularly bloody?- for any leadership campaign or is this particularly bloody? i think it toes with this particularly bloody? i think it goes with any _ this particularly bloody? i think it goes with any but _ this particularly bloody? i think it goes with any but i _ this particularly bloody? i think it goes with any but i think - this particularly bloody? i think it goes with any but i think this i this particularly bloody? i think it goes with any but i think this one is particularly bloody because of the circumstances that brought it to a head. you had these 50 odd ministers resign, the fact trusting