And now, hello, this is the Meeting Place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear, i am andrei norkin, my colleague ivan trushkin, we are working live, well, another conflict in the middle east continues for the fifth day, it is still in such an acute bloody phase, in general, nothing changes, unfortunately , except for an increase in the number of victims, dead, wounded, which are counted, well, if you look at israeli statistics, otherwise, as a result of the attack by hamas militants, more than 1,200 people were killed, and the numbers here are growing, because, as i understand it, more and more bodies of the dead are being found in various settlements that were captured by hamas, in some cases you can even say about the mass executions of civilians, and the army begins to announce its losses, so now. Here are the israeli figures, although there are no such direct active military operations on the part of hamas now on the territory of the state of israel, with the sector there its the other way around, because the israelis are now carrying out carpet bombings, rocket attacks on gases, according to palestinian statistics, more than a thousand dead, more than 5,000 wounded, and there are refugees there, there is already some kind of impossible figure, very soon there will be under 200,000, probably, but there it is also unclear, because whole ones are being destroyed. And how many people are under the rubble is also completely impossible to understand, the worst thing is that in my opinion no one is going to stop, now we even use rhetoric in our announcement, well, here we showed israeli officials, you yourself hear the expressions being expressed, in general israel says that what hamas was doing now is worse than the holocaust, and in my opinion, almost netanyahu himself says, now in my opinion, we will remember this in the program there, palestinians they say that what israel is doing is genocide. There they have additions manifested in some of the most terrible disgusting and disgusting ways, that is, as if everyone is just playing for promotion, lets look at the latest footage, according to the palestinian authorities, more than 2,000 residential, i emphasize, residential buildings, almost fifty schools, 10 hospitals, here are satellite images, well, satellite images and a little lower there, well, in general , they still show that entire neighborhoods have been wiped off the face of the earth, plus a total blockade of the sector, the evacuation routes for the civilian population are now blocked, the residents of gaza are running out of water, food, medicine , and there is no electricity. The day before, thousands of people tried to leave the gaza strip to go to egypt through the rafah checkpoint, but israeli aircraft destroyed this checkpoint. It was also reported that Israel Attacked a humanitarian convoy, and even, unsurprisingly, the old fascist steppe barel made some very timid remarks addressed to the israeli authorities. Israel has the right to protection, but it must be done in accordance with international law, humanitarian law, and some decisions will do so. Not all Palestinian People are terrorists, so collective punishment against all palestinians would be unfair. Well, footage is now appearing on social networks of the Israeli Military, israeli artillery, tanks, combat vehicles are accumulating on the border with the gas sector, this is actually one of these many. Video in the Representative Office of the Israeli Defense forces they say that this is the infrastructure for future operations , without specifying when it will begin, 35 battalions will be deployed on the border with the strip, that israel will launch a large ground operation in the gas sector, no one is talking about any time , at night the First American plane landed at the israeli nevatim airbase, so you see footage of military assistance from the United States, what is this modern ammunition is being unloaded, it is not visible, even the picture is blurred, the pentagon also reported that on wednesday morning the american Aircraft Carrier gerald ford arrived in the eastern part of the mediterranean sea, with a strike group on board, the president of the United States, biden has already spoken with israeli Prime Minister netanyahu, in fact, in confirmation of this , a photograph appeared on the official account of the white house , a situation room of the white house, here you see biden, kamela harris, mr. Blinken, everyone has some kind of worried face, what is said in the comment to this published photo, there was no video , as far as i understand, the comment says that biden called netanyahu to discuss further steps to protect israel, while, according to nbcnews, the head of the white house asked tsahal. Minimize civilian casualties in the gaza strip. It is not reported what netanyahu responded to this. The israeli Prime Minister himself, as follows from a fragment of negotiations published by tel aviv, equated the hamas attack on israel to the holocaust stated that the palestinians, quote are worse than isis, which is banned in russia. We had hundreds of people killed, families destroyed in their beds, in their homes, women brutally raped. Killed, more than a hundred kidnapped, including children. And since we last spoke, the scale of this evil has only increased, they have taken dozens of children, tied them up, burned them and executed them. They beheaded the soldiers. The fact is that we have never seen such savagery in the history of the state, they are even worse than isis. Well, the intensity of passions in the information war in the middle east the east is no less than on the battlefield itself, the most. The discussed story of the last 24 hours, this is a reporter, the words of a reporter from the israeli channel i24 news, here she is on your screens, her name is nicole zedek, in her story she reported, with reference allegedly to the stories of the Israeli Military, that in kibbutz there was a kfaraza, which was in weekend captured by hamas, 200 bodies of dead people were found, including 40 children and infants and it was claimed that some of them were beheaded, lets look at fragments of its plot first. I talked to soldiers who said that they saw when going around houses that were attacked, they said that they saw babies with their heads cut off, we go from house to house saving all the civilians, we are stronger than them, they are aggressive and bad people, they cut off heads children and women, this news and this story instantly broke out all over the world, almost all the main british newspapers, you see the front pages, came out with reports of children. Beheaded by hamas. At first they wrote that there were several beheaded corpses. Later everything went further they wrote that all 40 of these discovered children were already without heads. And so the Turkish News Agency anadalu called tsahal and asked for a comment on this matter. And an Israeli Army Spokesman said he had no information about hamas cutting off the heads of babies. Later, this reporter, madam, said that she was misinformed by the Israeli Military with whom she spoke, however. The fake she launched has already begun to live its own life, it got to the point that in the us congress, a fox news journalist began to attack politicians speaking in support of the palestinians. Congresswoman Hamas Terrorists cut off babies heads and burn children alive. Do you support israels right to defend itself against such brutality . Can you comment on Hamas Terrorists cutting off the heads of babies . Well, the New York Times is trying to give more. Some kind of analytical analysis of the situation and we are not talking about this on the noisy plot, but in general about how it all happened over the weekend, so they talked with four unnamed, highranking employees of the Israeli Intelligence services, this is the picture the New York Times showed up. According to them, shortly before the attack, Israeli Intelligence discovered a surge in activity in some militant channels in gaza. They informed the military at the border about this, but they did not react in any way, either because they did not understand the warning, or simply did not read it. At the time of the attack, as the publication writes, hamas literally blinded the israeli army by disabling numerous surveillance cameras along the entire perimeter of the border using drones, which allowed the attackers to blow up or somehow break through parts of the border fence, and also demolish it with bulldozers in several places, allowing militants to slip into israeli territory, well, of all the news, this is a fake, of course, its like the soil here is so fertilized that of course, in the case of this israelipalestinian confrontation , any story there breaks out instantly, in general, of course, the situation is extremely complex, if not a dead end, you can spend a long time trying to understand how everyone got into this dead end , but its probably more important to understand how to get out of there, lets look at our first story, the gas sector is one of two fragments of the partially recognized state of palestine, according to the 1947 un plan, the territory was almost evenly divided between arabs and jews, the latter, by the way, got a little land more. Muslim countries categorically opposed the creation of a jewish state and launched a war against israel, which they lost. In 1967, during a new war, the israelis occupied what is now palestinian territory, the west bank jordan gas strip. Only in 1993 , palestinian autonomy was officially created on these lands; in 2012 , the state of palestine was proclaimed; 2 3 of the un member countries recognize it. The result of the vote, while dual power reigns in palestine itself, the west bank is controlled by mahmoud aabas and the fatah party, the gaza strip has been ruled by the Hamas Movement for 16 years, if israel has no military conflicts with abas, then battles with hamas occur regularly, with a frequency of several years, sahal organizes large military operations in the sector. The Hamas Movement is not recognizes israel and sets as its goal its complete destruction, believing that in the holy land, that is, in palestine, muslims are obliged to wage jihad. Dozens of countries, mainly western allies, recognize hamas as a terrorist organization, while russia, china, turkey, and almost all countries of the islamic world do not think so. The shattered myth was. That the palestinians would live in peace with israel if they got their own state. Israel transferred gas to the palestinians in 2005, but hamas took power there already in 2007 destroys everyone who prevents them from achieving their goal, to expel the jews from all of israel. The gas sector does not produce much; in fact, it lives off sponsors from muslim countries and handouts from International Organizations. Every second resident of the enclave is officially considered unemployed; more than half of the population lives below the poverty line. We are all sitting here because of poverty and lack of job opportunities. If there was work, you wouldnt see any of us. For the last 9 years i have not been able to find a job, we are dying of hunger. From gaza strip, its neighbors egypt and israel fenced themselves off with high concrete fences with barbed wire. From the israeli side, the enclave was attacked by sea, land and air. Blockade, but at the same time the main trading partner of gas, according to the imf, until recently was israel, israeli shekels are used in the sector, and electricity, fuel and Drinking Water also come from israel. I ordered a complete siege of the gas sector, there will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed, we are fighting nonhumans and we act accordingly; in palestine, the root of the conflict is seen as the reluctance of israel, as well as its allies, first of all. The United States , to comply with the un , Vladimir Putin spoke about this at the talks with the iraqi Prime Minister in moscow the day before. Bearing in mind, first of all, the need to implement the decision of the Un Security Council on the creation of an independent sovereign palestinian state. But israel leaves no room for negotiations. In recent days , more than a thousand tons of bombs have been dropped on the gas sector and a largescale ground operation is being prepared. To the sector already they are gathering heavy equipment, the Israeli Defense minister is threatening to destroy the enclave, harsh words are being heard at the un. The era of talking to these savages is over. It is time to destroy hamas terrorist infrastructure and completely erase it so that such horrors never happen again. And the International Community must give israel its full support. Well, lets look at this one. How problems are solved, but its given there, yeah, here its given here , just from my memory, from my memory, i dont remember it being so organized, a powerful attack by hamas on israel, yes there were terrorist attacks, there were some outrages around the temple mount or Something Like that , an attack on some tourist sites, well, there was no such military operation, on the other hand, that means. Now all the jewish, israeli officials, in words, are ready to destroy the gas, thats how the representative of israel was just now, he says, the infrastructure must be destroyed. All, this is only possible if you really rummage through everything, because even these tunnels, this is necessary, just burn this piece of land, naturally, along with the people , because all of them will not escape from there, while israel can say, we supported them for many years, we withdrew troops from there many years ago, but they still they are spoiling us, gevorg valerievich, which means there are two options left, one, which seems to me, is impossible now for the israelis, is to somehow return to the un recommendations to begin to really build a political dialogue, a political dialogue, the end of which will be the creation of a fullfledged a palestinian state, that is, the holy land, there will be two countries, palestine and israel , the second is to really destroy everything, but here i have a doubt whether the goal will be achieved in the sense of finding peace for israel, what do you say . So, you said correctly, these are two extremely complex, extremely difficult to implement options, but you need to choose something from them , because there is no third, we agree with you here, there are, well, there were options on the western bank, dividing it with a wall into many parts, negotiate there separately, but we we are talking specifically about gas, the west bank is a different story, specifically about gas there are no other options, or we can negotiate, but hamas is not capable of agreement simply by definition, hamas has taken all the residents hostage. The feasible option is really a complete cleansing of the gas sector, in which unfortunately, to our great regret, for all normal adequate people, it is impossible without great sacrifices, and victims among civilians, specifically among civilians, because i do not consider victims among terrorists and those who support them, but victims among the environment among civilian population that has nothing to do with homo. A slightly more executable scenario , what consequences will this have . It will have very dire consequences for everyone, a large number of casualties among the civilian population, a large number of casualties among the israeli army, and great instability, possibly tightening israels isolation in the world, but without this option israel cannot exist as a state, this is an existential question. For the state, to live like this with hamas, they tried, they they honestly tried, yes, i never justify israel in its methods, but they tried to negotiate, they tried to fence themselves off, if it is impossible to agree, they tried different options, as we generally tried with the zelensky regime, it didnt work, terrorists there are terrorists, now israel is starting to destroy hamas, the methods are another matter, we can agree with these methods, say that they are excessive, because even though the israelis call the arabs cousins, they do not consider them relatives, they do not consider them their own they think this is a derogatory meaning, that is, methods are a really big question, but the fact that the destruction of hamas is the only option is a fact, well , that is, you rather see the second option, so lets, i think, everything will develop for the worst there scenario, because madness has gripped both sides, that is, the israelis , still under the pressure of Public Opinion that netanyahu needs to be shown as cool, will enter there, fall into a trap set for this to cause a wave of hatred in the arab in the muslim world and no one will find little in this situation, i want to say now a very important thing that worries me most of all, so that this does not affect us, because one of the hamas leaders, halet mashal, recognized friday the 13th, well, someone says , that this is the day of the world grooming, it doesnt say this, but general mobilization, actions and so on, we too, wait, this is the upcoming friday, we have a very bad story, its also happening, i ll read you one comment now, which in social networks, the post was made by one of the regular participants in our program, i wont say who, because he didnt react, maybe he just didnt see this post, but it was not for nothing that the jews were exterminated in the middle of the last century, that is , this is written by a person present in our studio, no, of course, he has, he has comments, comments, comments, this is written by a citizen of our country, he still means no, well, i think that he should be punished, because this is a criminal article, the middle of the last century, this is a holocaust, you got me right, do you think this is something new,