Updated: 12:20 PM EST Jan 17, 2021 Hide Transcript Show Transcript >> JANUARY 17TH. MASSACHUSETTS CONGRESSMAN JIM MCGOVERN JOINS US LIVE FROM WASHINGTON. LET’S GO OTR >> I SAW PEOPLE MR. SPEAKE OUR COUNTRY CAME UNDER ATTACK NOT FROM A FOREIGN NATION BUT FROM WITHIN. ED: HE WAS JUST STEPS AWAY WHEN A VIOLENT MOB, SURGED TOWARD MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. RIGHT NOW, THE RULES COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN ON THE CHAOS, AND THE UNCERTAIN DAYS AHEAD LET’S GO ON THE RECORD. >> THE INSIDE WORD FROM WASHINGTON TO BEACON HILL, NEWSMAKERS GOING ON THE RECORD. ED: WELCOME TO ON THE RECORD, I’M ED HARDING ALONG WITH NEWSCENTER 5 POLITICAL REPORTER JANET WU. WE ARE LIVE IN STUDIO C THIS MORNING. KEEPING SOCIAL DISTANCIN PROTOCOLS BROUGHT ON BY THE PANDEMIC. WE ALSO WANT TO TAKE YOU LIV TO WASHINGTON DC WHERE THE AREA AROUND THE CAPITOL BUILDING IS LARGELY SEALED OFF. A MASSIVE MILITARY PRESENCE AFTER THE CHAOS AND VIOLENCE OF JANUARY 6TH. SOME 20,000 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED TO SECURE THE CAPITOL AREA AS THE NATION PREPARES TO INAUGURATE JOE BIDEN AS THE NEW PRESIDENT THIS WEEK. IT IS A SCENE FEW COULD HAVE IMAGINED FOR A PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF POWER. AL LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, DC WE’RE JOINED BY CONGRESSMAN JIM MCGOVERN. HE WITNESSED THE STORMING OF THE CAPITOL, AND PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN THE SECOND IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH U HAPPY NEW YEAR SEE YOU. REP. MCGOVERN: HAPPY TO BE WITH BOTH OF YOU. JANET: IT IS A BIT EERIE TO SEE INDEPENDENCE AVENUE SO EMPTY BEHIND YOU. REP. MCGOVERN: IT REALLY IS THER A MORE TROOPS HERE THAN IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ COMBINED RIGHT NOW. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS EVEN AFTER 9/11. I’VE NEVER SEEN SUCH A DEPLOY OF FORCE. IT IS SAD. JANET: LET’S GET ONTO WHAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO BE HAPPENIN LET’S REFLECT ON WHAT HAPPENED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THE WERE WARNED DAYS BEFORE THE RIGHTS THAT VIOLENCE WAS LIKELY ON JANUARY 6. THE NATIONAL GUARD WAS REQUESTED BUT NOT GRANTED. AT THE IN D.C. POLICE SAID THEY WERE NOT TOLD. CAN YOU SORT THIS ALL OUT FOR US REP. MCGOVERN: I CANNOT BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS THAT STILL DO NOT HAVE ANSWERS. WE WILL HAVE THE ANSWERS. WE WILL HAVE A REVIEW OF WHAT HAPPENED. I AM RELIEVED THAT MORE PEOPLE WERE NOT HARMED AND KILLED. AS A RESULT OF WHAT HAPPENED ON THE SIXTH. WE HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH AN INFILTRATION OF THE CAPITOL GROUNDS SINCE WOR 1812 -- WAR OF 1812. IT WAS A SCARY MOMENT. ED: STAR WOR THAT INVESTIGATORS, PERHAPS KELLY’S GIVE TOWARDS THE DAY BEFORE. DO INVESTIGATORS HAVE THE NAMES OF LEGISLATORS WHO HELD TOURS THE DAY BEFORE THE INSURRECTION AND WHY? REP. MCGOVER I’VE HEARD THOSE REPORTS AND I DO NOT WHO GAVE FLOORS AND WHO DID NOT. THERE ARE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE WHO GAVE OXYGEN TO THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES, COMFORT TO THESE PROTESTERS, CHEERED THEM O IT IS INEXCUSABLE. FIVE PEOPLE ARE DEAD, SO MANY MORE WOUNDED. CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER WAS KILLED. THERE IS A VIDEOTAPE OF ONE BEING DRAGGED DOWN THE STAIRS AND BEATEN. THE PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE, CAFETERIA WORKERS TO THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE COMMENTARY AND’S -- PARLIAMENTARIAN’ OFFICE. THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP AND REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN GINNING UP THE SLIDE. ED BASED ON THE PASSION I AM HEARING WOULD YOU RECOMMEND CENSURE OR EVEN EXPULSION FOR ANY MEMBERS FOUND COOPERATING WITH INSURRECTIONISTS EITHER BEFORE OR DURING THE INVASION OF CONGRESS? REP. MCGOVERN: SOME OF THESE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE DECENCY TO RESIGN. THEY HAVE DISGRACED THEIR AUTHORIZED DESK THEIR OFFICE AND SHOWING CONTEMPT FOR THIS INSTITUTE -- THEY HAVE DISGRACED THIS OFFICE AND SHOW CONTEMPT FOR THIS INCIDENT TO SHOULD -- FOR THIS INSTITUTION. YOU NEED A SUPER MAJORITY TO EXPEL SOMEBODY. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS. NOT ONLY FOR THE PEOPLE ON CAPITOL HILL BUT OUR COUNTRY. JANET: I KNOW YOU’RE WAITING FOR INFORMATION FROM INVESTIGATORS. HOW LIKELY IS IT THAT RIOTERS WERE ABLE TO INFILTRATE THE BUILDING WITH HELP FROM THE INSIDE IN THE DAYS PREVIOU I’M THINKING OF PANIC BUTTONS DISCONNECTED IN OFFICES LIKE IN CONGRESSWOMAN AYANNA PRESSLEY’S. REP. MCGOVER AGAIN THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS. IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE FOR ME TO SAY THIS IS WHY THIS HAPPENED OR THAT HAPPENED. THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS. CLEARLY THE SECURITY WAS INSUFFICIENT. FOR WHAT HAPPENED ON THE SIXTH. QUITE FRANKLY THERE WERE LOTS OF WARNINGS. THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY WAS CREATED AFTER 9/11 TO PROVIDE INTELLIGENCE. IT IS NOT WORKING THIS WAS A FAILURE. ED: LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT IS AHEAD. HOW DOES CONGRESS JUGGLE A SENATE TRIAL WITHOUT PUSHING THE SPOTLIGHT OFF JOE BIDEN IN THE OPENINGS DAYS & WEEKS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION IF HE IS GOING TO REBOOT THE COUNTRY REP. MCGOVERN: THE NINTH STATE SENATE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME. THEY CAN PURSUE THE IMPEACHMENT CASE AND CONFIRM JOE BIDEN’ APPOINTEES AND MOVE ON TO OTHE THINGS. TO NOT PURSUE THIS, TO TURN BLIND EYE, THAT PAVES THE WAY FOR THIS HAPPENING AGAIN. THIS WAS AN INSURRECTION. THIS WAS AN ATTEMPTED COUP, A VIOLENT ATTACK ON THE CAPITAL. THESE PEOPLE CAME HERE TO DESTROY PROPERTY AND KNAPP AND MURDER -- DESTROY PROPERTY, KIDNAP AND MURDER OFFICIALS. WE HAVE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT. THERE HAS TO BE CONSEQUENCE. I HOPE THE SENATE WILL VOTE TO CONVICT. ED DO YOU THINK 17 MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WOULD CROSS LINES AND CONVICT FORMER TRUMP -- FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP? REP. MCGOVERN: THE EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING. THE WORLD KEEP SEEING THE TAPES. YOU HE WHAT -- I DO NOT WANT TO CALL THEM PROTESTERS, THEY ARE HOMEGROWN FASCISTS, DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. THEY ARE SAYING THEY WERE HERE BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP. A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CAPITAL THAT TAKE THOUGHT TRUMP WAS HERE. AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR HIM, SAYING WE ARE HERE BECAUSE OF TRUMP. MY WORRY IS THAT IN THE FEW DAYS HE HAS LET PEOPLE TRY TO PARDON SOME OF THESE PEOPLE. ED: INCLUDING HIMSELF? REP. MCGOVERN: I THINK WE’LL FIND EVERYONE INCLUDING HIMSELF AND HIS FIRM I AM WORRIED ABOUT HIM PARDONING THESE THIS MISTA TERRORISTS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED. JANE I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE FACI RECOGNITION ISSUE DRIVING THE INVESTIGATION. THERE ALREADY WAS A LOT OF POLITICAL DEBATE OVER POLICE USE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE FALSE IDENTIFICATION RATES AMONG BLACKS AND ASIANS IS DISPROPORTIONALLY HIGHER. WHERE DO YOU STAND ON IT? DO YOU THINK THERE IS A PLACE FOR IT AND ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH IT BEING USED? REP. MCGOVER THIS CANNOT BE THE ONLY EVIDENCE USED TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE. FACIAL RECOGNITION IS SOMETHING I HAVE EIGHT LOTS OF ISSUES WITH. AS YOU POINTED OUT IT HAS BEEN USED IN A WAY THAT IS DISCRIMINATORY. IT HAS BEEN FAULTY IN THE IDENTIFICATIONS IT HAS MADE AT PAST PROTESTS. THERE ARE ALSO PRIVACY CONCERNS. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE PREVENT THESE FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. THAT MEANS FOCUSIN ON THINGS LIKE FACTS, TRUTH AND HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, NOT SPREADING LIES AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES. HOLDING MEDIA ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY PROMOTE THESE THEORIES. SOME OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS AS WELL. ALL OF THESE HAVE TO BE TALKED ABOUT. THIS WAS A RADICALIZED POPULATION. WE NEED TO FI