An agreement with poland incidentally russia was the main source of that disagreements because of course populist and nationalist disagree on most issues i mean be it russia of course being one example be it migration be it austerity and fiscal policy in every single domain in every major domain of european policy theyre actually at loggerheads with one another so this is a big topic the whole they need dream of creating this platform because he already has france and germany is alternative for germany party. And you failed with quality but hes hoping for hungarys fidesz to join and for agis party do you think that could happen well firstly ferocious party is not going to stay there for very long. Several by. This year the u. K. Is out. And therefore i would say that is it really that we can talk about it also because we dont know now because i know the test that turns them a resigned after the grex a deal failed and hes saying now that theres a 30 percent chance that bracks it may not happen and all well to be honest i think that they would have to be something very significant taking place in the United Kingdom and by very significant i mean a call before the 31st of october either for a 2nd referendum all for a general election for the e. U. To allow for 2nd postponement of the deadline i think unless something so dramatic happens i think even in a no deal outcome the rest of you the 27 will see the u. K. Out so i i actually think that with treason may out of the picture with a radicalization within the conservative party in the United Kingdom this is actually increased the chances of the no deal i guess it. Really has been saying that bracks said in no way heard stay you actually going to hurt the u. K. Its going to be isolated now but i still wonder how is it not hurting you because it is like a Strong Military power within the you 2nd largest economy within the you how can it possibly not affect the un our well i think that the main way in which it does affect you has already happened so the big blow for that you actually took place in 2016 with the with the referendum and that was the moment in which you know the rest of the world looks at the European Union and saw this as an edifice that looked like it was crumbling in the sense weve already digested that pain that cost now the big pain is actually on the u. K. More than on the e. U. Because the i think the way in which the rest of the world and certainly the way in which the 27. 00 the looking at this is. What a bloody mess the brits have made out of this with themselves we have actually we meaning the 27 managed to remain surprisingly i would add united on this front so i guess what im saying is that weve already digested the cost now the big cost to be paid is really on the u. K. Side not the rest of the e. U. I want to go back over to the elections because there were so and to suppose. That people were so divided about it. The crank coalition in the parliament is sort of now dead what does this mean is it going to be harder for the union to take consolidated decisions or not. No i dont think it will be hard i think it means 2 things one remains not fundamentally different from the past and what i mean by this is the for political family is Popular Party socialist greens and liberals are not new political families all 4 were already present in the European Parliament and in the European Parliament the way in which decisions are taken are very much issue based and depending on what the issue is actually already in the past you have coalitions forming that even went beyond the solid sort of Popular Party socialist bloc if you like of the past so in a sense on one level its close in quote more of the same these are for families that are used to working with each other on another indeed it is different from the past because it is not a 2 Party Majority its a 4 party talks 3 or 4 Party Majority but that in my view adds a new dynamism i mean unless one starts from the assumption that everything was perfect as it was and i certainly dont share that assumption so if one believes that actually a degree of renewal of the new dynamism is actually necessary the fact that 2 major parties lost their majority and then have to work more die. Number it clear across 3 or 4 political families in my view is good news what do you make of the fire rate success its not considerable its not what people expected but its still there it cant completely disregard it what does it mean in terms of the policies frankly speaking nothing you hear just saying very skeptical and very skeptical around a do nothing thing i do think that whereas this current institutional political cycle. The strength of that swine oratory as i said negligible what i do believe is that this is really the opportunity for the next 5 years to tackle some of the root causes lead to. We leave this place disregard completely that there was this surge in many countries. And people were just coming out in the streets and saying were not ok with. The system that was in place before every almost every country in europe is our last you know youre right in fact its in the United States its internationally into what this is this is basically the story about the quote unquote losers of globalization this is what this is after its not about the European Union really its about growing inequality is so its a russia story its the u. S. Story its a china story and its an e. U. Story so those are the issues that have to be tackled what do you make in terms of the you what do you think are the main changes that should take place so that what you fear for right or for a left turn take over well basically i think you know it is about having a European Union that is a more social union that basically adds on to the current Monetary Union set up to the current Single Market set up not only a completion of. The euro zone through a fiscal and a Political Union but also added to it Single Market dimension more social measures you know a european Unemployment Benefits scheme i mean you know things that basically are giving where 70 to the states in terms of making decisions especially when it comes to Foreign Policy because a lot of a lot of those debates also came down to migration and not being able to you know make your own decisions whether you want to let people here and in or not. Do you think that would help given while at the moment the problem is exactly the opposite meaning the Member States have complete sovereignty when it comes a lot of them would argue you know technically speaking legally speaking the competence is not a new competence its a member state competence if we take my country its really what is my country asking for its not asking for repatriation of competences or migration its actually asking for exactly the opposite europeanization of responsibility when it comes to migration but then you take hungary and its asking for a different think its asking for different a thing and it has it it has had its pursuit its own independent migration policy and it hasnt allowed anyone in so hungry has pursued what it wants. What do you make of this idea because i heard that a people in europe when it comes to National Elections they tend to vote for the traditional parties because they directly impact their lives and then when it comes to elections they sort of have this out of the box thinking going on and thats where actually theyre saying that national for ash does what it does in britain but not so much in in the e. U. Parliament what do you make of this idea i mean i think there is some truth in it in a sense some new political ideas are being tested out in the European Elections i think. This is actually one of the things that makes the European Elections so interesting you know beyond the fact that they are the 2nd largest democratic elections in the world after india so obviously theres a question of scale that makes them so significant but also this idea indeed of testing testing out new ideas because indeed at european level you dont only have the traditional if you like left right horizontal divide you also have very significantly a new vertical divide that is really characterized in a lot of 20th century politics which is really one between the open and the close and so translated in the european level it is about being pro european or euro skeptic so i think this is one of the things that makes them very interesting on the specific point about the United Kingdom though i think that whereas youre absolutely right in the past raj did make. A much stronger shows showing that European Elections rather the National Elections i think in this specific specific European Election it is more a story about an implosion of the conservative party which may also be therefore reflected in new general elections if they were held. In a short time span and more broadly i would add this is about an implosion of the political system in the United Kingdom really triggered by the disastrous conduct on their side of the whole break that affair now i wouldnt take a short break right now when were bath will continue talking to not only touchy special advisor to use Foreign Policy chief any community any stay with us. We had one man 3540 years old. It lost the struggles in the water. Some 30 fisherman well this judge later in his left. Understood something. And then to move ahead. Another man with the mfi was stubborn and hurt the machine and. 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And were back with a special advisor to eat used Foreign Policy chief and then he cannot get any naturally what the transatlantic think relations i mean they have had their ups and downs averse and came to their all things ironically and now hes actually sympathetic to the euro skeptics and to the whole populist party wave. Do you think maybe the whole far right parties gains were actually have a good effect in terms of e. U. American relations now. Well not really because theyre not in charge you know out of 28 Member States you basically have only 3 that have governments being represented by nationalists one of these 3 poland has actually a very close relationship with charmes United States in the case of its early i think you know so so. No. In the case of hungry close the hungry frankly speaking is a fairly small country. Where as you know all the 25 Member States are actually being governed by parties that have a completely different view you know of populism of nationalism and consequently of the trumpet ministration. Theory a meanie has said that you will continue listing defense cooperation between the Member States and at this point pentagon it was just like you if you shuts out the americans American Companies out of defense contracts then washington will retaliate to saying you will stick to its gun when it comes to defense contracts i think that we dont have much of a choice i think we have to this is really about quite aside from the trumpet administration a structural transformation which is going on in the world really and it is clear that in a world in which there are the americans that the chinese the indians the russians excedrin europeans can only really be a player at that global top table by standing united and we are already united on the economic front and we increasingly understand that we have to do so also on the defense front let me be very clear this is not in order to be protectionist and autarky you know when we talk about what ptolemy as an ambition as a goal it is really basically the bottom line is having the ability to act now its part of our d. N. A. To try and act together with our partners whenever and wherever we can but what if our partners dont want to act with us then we need to feel we feel we need to have the ability to act on the road so the big question whether you can act on your own or now is the iran deal so right now rouhani saying that you know im going to withdraw from a. Distance for. And show some courage. To sing this is a last warning to the u. G. Do you think tehran is actually serious about quitting the deal. I think all i can say about this is putting myself in iranian shoes and if i were an iranian Decision Maker i would probably be making these threats rightly so i mean its clear that if one side of a contract lives up to their commitments meaning around and the other side meaning the other 3 plus 3 and obviously this includes russia as well its only fair for one side to say hang on you know if you continue acting this way im going to pull out now having said that i also think that it would be actually fairly irrational for iran to leave the j. C. Pure way before 2020. Simply because. It is basically what a year and a few months time before there could be a change in the United States or not or not i mean neat if the arts are is not there indeed if i were ron i would probably not stick with the j. C. Pure way. Because indeed this as i said the social contract can only hold of both sides live up to the bargain that many analysts are saying that rouhani is behaving this way because he wants to accept some pressure on the you do you think tehrans expectations are legitimate absolutely can he do something to actually move you. Know there has been some movement at the point is that were talking about something which is very complicated take well as politically i mean essential in this by the way is not just a new affair i mean when the e. U. Tries to set up an inspection mechanism this is not only to allow trade between the e. U. And iran without being subject to extra territorial sanctions it is also a mechanism eventually. To allow for other actors to do the same without being hit by us excretory general sanctions and this also includes russia and china so this is in my view really part of a much much bigger story that goes beyond around it goes beyond the middle east it goes beyond nonproliferation and which does not only concern europeans it includes all International Actors because today were talking about in terms of u. S. Extraterritorial sanctions on iran what if the struggle the rivalry the competition the contest between the United States and china boils to the point where the u. S. Decides to impose extra territorial sanctions on china. What precisely and what how what does this mean in terms of our trade in terms of your trade in terms of everyones trade. Russia couldnt care less you know that it is continues trading with iran and likely has its own oil so it doesnt need to trade. As much as the arabians expected it to do to be cautious but still doesnt go along with american line of but the europeans like you a lot of them were outraged and like you know this is not in our interest to scrap this deal so were going to continue doing our thing with iran but then you know when americans are slapping sanctions from what i understand most of the Major Companies are wrapping up and even with this is what i mean the point is how to create a Global Investment climate there in juices companies to make those investments even in the event of u. S. Extraterritorial sanctions so obviously youre absolutely right there are more european count companies in the situation than Russian Companies but this is the facts everyone and you know of course governments cannot point guards at the heads of companies forcing them to do so what we have to try and do is to create an International Investment and trading environment that allows for companies to freely. Engage in those investments and trade without being unduly punished for it. I know that youve been saying u. S. And europe have very different objectives ron. Is sort of seeking to contain Irans Nuclear program and america wants regime change in iran so trump obviously who very often changes his mind now says that actually iran could be a great economy under romney and he has and want a regime change there why dont you trust him well because perhaps he should try and change his National Security adviser that very clearly has a very different position on this one where he has a lot of disagreements with a lot of people within the administration but as of today youve got to give it to him he does what he wants to do i think unfortunately on iran hes actually been led into a very different direction as i said particul