Airport now its full of chinese 5 years ago there were nobody there if you go to red square theyre all speaking chinese mr trump and theyre americans are pushing the chinese and the russians closer and closer together breaks my heart im going to merican but this isnt saying its insane if you can get out a map or study demography or geography you will know you dont want to be against those 2 countries combined ok well very good point joe let me go to you in paris i mean this is being going on slowly but surely in for a variety of reasons here of course russia is against nato expansion it seems it is a existential threat to its security which it is in any military alliance moving towards your borders is by definition and the chinese well we see that the United States again raising the issue of tariffs and possible sanctions chinese interaction with a country like iran i mean china and russia are natural allies in light in reacting to the policies coming out of washington and it doesnt really matter whos in the white house by the way go ahead and paris yeah you know i think of being friends you know you have the same enemies who share the same and hes but im not sure its what models the most you know of course the fuel the frenchie but i think that the 2nd way we choose to have come on issues is more important i would suggest the centrally. Growing lead to middle east ease shared issues between the nations economy can be. In terms of security so i think its a friendship which is going to last there are all of the same question to you this is much more than a marriage convenience because thats what you constantly hear that is to refrain when it comes to western observers watching russia and china i mean i think its gone way beyond that i mean its gone way beyond dating there in a relationship they will probably never get married. Ok because neither country under its own laws can be a part of a Strategic Alliance with another country but they certainly do parlay very well go ahead earl. Yes peter i mean its been happening for a while and i and just to be surprised recently its kind of. You know where have you been but absolutely its more than just a marriage of convenience going much deeper also which couples that the makes it Even Stronger is the personal relationship between president. President putin which basically theyre they call each other their best friends and that spills over into government and weve got natural which weve kind of talked about a little bit the central asia i think peace is very critical expression of support the Road Initiative and weve got. Russias got abundant the resources china Needs Resources but its much more than just economic and weve got 2600 mile border the relationship to go on much dieter geo political interests personal interests economic and now potential military security interests as well you know one of the things thats very interesting is that. Detractors of the russia china relationship always say that russia is choosing poorly it should choose the west over china but i always counter is that under that scenario russia must surrender a great deal of its sovereignty and that it is unwilling to do that its relationship with china both countries preserve their their sovereignty and their very adamant about it i mean if you look at their relationship when one is not subservient to the other they have mutual strong interests and thats where they start from go ahead jim they have huge enters together they have the russians have bass Natural Resources the chinese that best amounts of labor the russians need labor and the chinese need Natural Resources siberia used to be part of china you know its only in the past 150 years or so that siberia big name part of russia is the russians but you know the history im sure so you know this is makes perfectly natural sense its going to be good for both countries again im an american i dont particularly like it. I dont like saying whats happened but no its fabulous for everybody the russians get what they need the chinese get what they need and if you look at a map nobody wants to find those countries its going to have. To have people their borders i mean youd have to be crazy to build it and those 2 people. Theres been a lot of craziness in washington think of iraq ok think of libya think of syria i mean dont put it past these people here ok seriously you dont not just peter youre exactly right politicians all over the world throughout history have done some unbelievably clueless things americas doing that now but dont think others wont do them too. Joe i mean what is the possibility of a reverse nixon ok because this is what you know this the New York Times recently has talked about encouraging donald trump doing better relations with russia have to do what the media and the his political opposition the democrats have done for the last 3 years and how the liberal old lady great lady comes out and says mr trump you shouldnt group improve relations i mean i dont even think russia would even shake a hand extended at this point and i think that thats one of the primary reason they say we have to look east i mean its common sense jolie go ahead and paris. While you know nixon the time came with his own terms and they were understandable then agreeable i think it goes much beyond did that trump in America Today war didnt have their own terms i really appreciated what earl said from washington when he mentioned the bolton Road Initiative what the 2 countries what china and russia could do to get back to them quickly this share in common is not chose quantum of interest in resources and labor their share in the interest in securing some land in developing some land in developing the hinterland of central asia and and the middle east as i said which are areas which have been blind spots for the us under many governments they have been the highlights of course for security reasons but not for economy so i think that to do whether the white house would want on not to shake hands to extend a hand to russia all be back to extend a hand to china and few years from now its not all longer just about clintons about trade about quantities about finance its about having this shared joel Strategic Vision and Development Vision which is not. Very much present in washington d. C. These days i think so. Maybe do you with the means of their policies which have always the potency jimmy wanted to do you want to do you want to get in jam jenkin you how can washington suddenly become friends with them with the russians the previous republican candidate for president said many times russia is i deep as bright most powerful and most dangerous enemy this is you know a guy who was running for president before trump many people in congress sit there and say like lunatics weve got to fight the russians theyre terrible terrible enemy russia is and how do you know me of the United States we should be doing everything we can with them and we should be with the Chinese People in washington have no clue about the world ok i see earl youre nodding your head in agreement why go ahead. Absolutely i think china and russia are not enemies of the us whatever maybe they are there are there are challenges on the economic side with china lets competition. Gemini thats a competition surely its competition and i think china china and russia are both open to a partnership with the u. S. Theyre not anti the u. S. But they want their own there their own vision and they have a i think shared geo Political EconomicDevelopment Vision for the world not just for central asia but and i think theyre working that closely together and i think other countries realize that they respect them as well so i think theres a dangerous path for the u. S. To go and i think we need some policy shake up to realize that. Both these leaders are pragmatic they realize the u. S. Very influential and i think they want to work with the u. S. Ok well joe i mean i think the problem but its not one versus the other well it doesnt thats what it gets down to in washington and i mean again in washington wants a gemini ok i see that russia and china visa v. The United States want at the very least peaceful coexistence but going back to you know what would jim is saying you know i mean its either one way or the other that is not going to work now because china and russia to collectively together are way too powerful and as i always like to stress to people they have resources and they can they have options ok its something that they dont have to automatically accept promotion go ahead joel in paris. No you know the u. S. Have been great in history of having one enemy but im not sure they would be double as great as having 2 enemies you know and i agree completely with what earl was saying that they cant afford to do is there a sure vision i dont know as an economist i would put it 2 ways 1st of all on resources there will be a competition there would be a growing competition so its about the perception seen from d. C. On how much the u. S. 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Ok lets go back to earl and washington youve mentioned central asia you already twice on this program i think its really important and instructive for our viewers to understand is that when the soviet union came to an end Boris Yeltsin probably the only good Foreign Policy decision he ever made was to work with china to make sure that there would be stability in central asia where there would not be overt strategic competition and that was a genius move because that started the process of this bilateral relationship to develop where they decided were going to Work Together were not going to compete over central asia the reason why i bring this up is that again you know the quote unquote axis of beijing and moscow if they are poor into western values what i find very interesting is i dont see russia or china under. Any circumstances exporting their economic or political model the west does that by default and what russia and china do not do that they dont say youre going to be sanctioned because of your evaluating our sense of truth or some kind of western value they just say thats what you do we do Something Different thats the signets a very big difference that western audiences and think tanks dont want to recognize go ahead irl. Thats the absolutely true peter. You dont see russia and china kind of imposing their own political structure upon people and and expression with central asia and i just it was in their last year speaking the there are huge opportunities with the Road Initiative and and russias historical relationship with them the plays a Critical Role as well and theyre looking for Economic Development and theyre not looking for military theyre not looking for someone to tell them what kind of government to have but theyre looking for Economic Development and this is where i think you see this partnership between russia and china coming into play that you really put in the role of the Eurasia Economic Union plays a role in this as well youve got a whole pathway that built and wrote an issue of because yes is or is their objective for china for it yes but but in general its going to provide huge Economic Development opportunities raising millions of people out of poverty. And providing new opportunities across that whole region and thats a very key as well as providing stability so i think important thing is they want stability and they want to encourage a natural growth for these countries in that area jim just 10 years from now america is going to wake up and say oh my gosh look whats happened the chinese and the russians have one by one road they have pipelines they have labor agreements that russians are not big debtors like the u. S. Is the chinese are huge creditors americas the largest debtor nation in the history of the world what is this that were pushing those 2 together whether the people in washing just have no clue about china and they have no clue about russia and all of us are going to suffer well i think theres an answer to that jim let me go to joel in in paris the military Industrial Complex i mean read what the pentagon has been saying since the. Beginning of this year mean with their position papers i mean thats just the gravy train its the gravy train weve got another enemy now in there together oh my goodness the sky is falling we need more money more military more expenditures because as weve all pointed out on this program when china and russia will be building in the hugest in Infrastructure Projects probably in the history of humanity all across the eurasian landmass the United States is its its infrastructure will continue to crumble and it will waste money on the military on a threat that they hope they will never have to honor and that means going to war with 2 of the most important countries on the planet that explains everything its stupid at its core but it explains it go ahead joe. Yes maybe here i would trigger liberty to answer as a french because in france we do have a military industry now its true that over the last 15 to 20 years the military complex in the us has increasingly. Been for commercial attitude now a military complex can also serve as a driver for innovation and the only thing that at least for china the military complex is there to help chinese renaissance chinese developing new technology the Chinese Companies developing new technologies by being able to have a divided from that whats military what its jewel technology and whats what civilian i know less about. But i think its a bargain i think a very true its about the. American military or military complex to be maybe kind of 3 shuffled or re regulated by the police in d. C. In the congress and or the white house and i think thats very important for the sustainability of International Relations i would just want to add one thing and central asia few countries are very very strategic like kazakhstan i think kazakstan is very loose treaty of how to get countries china and russia Work Together. You know on the least have explored whether the 2 countries would disagree on the trains going true and its a 2 and if agreed and for the shared interest and for the interest of kazakhstan and development maybe the next learn look maybe the next problem would be would be ukraine where here of course the russian position is slightly different ok but i mean earlier you know one can make the argument ive heard this many many times is it the reason to overthrow the government in ukraine in 2014 was to obstruct this the whole eurasian land Mass Development they want to pull ukraine out of it in. It into the western orbit Hillary Clinton the worst secretary of state in history said this actually in congress but i want to slightly change gears here earl one of the other things thats happening here as russia and china gravitate towards each other we also have these technological competition that joel has been mentioning is that what we could will get is a dual internet will have dual technologies we have to be on one platform or another and i think that theres a lot of people in washington are terrified that people will choose the eastern platform and i mean everything you can imagine telephones Community Computers tell communicate everything ok its like the difference between android a n n o s ok will be different and they dont want to see russia and china leading that because that will be a major technological challenge to the supremacy of the west what do you think irl. Well i think there are always going to be bridges across and i think its important to keep bridges those gateways across but but there is. Obviously theres a concern and you can see this bearing out with a while away. You know aggression thats going on towards them. Always leading technology in 5 g. 5 g. s the next area for Communications Infrastructure that enables so much m