Brussels that to resume couldnt ok because hes saying hes still open for a deal even if that window is only a matter of days that are open go ahead in paris. No i dont think that he will get anything because for 2 reasons number one the big countries are really fed up with this brit this is it the sions that as it is in that you know are like 60 years old so theyre really fed up and theyre 2nd think its too complicated to have like 27. Countries agree on the new proposal because for Foreign Affairs matters you need the. So technically the techniques of a European Union its too complicated so Boris Johnson well not get an. Thing more he has been told that by. And by Emmanuel Mccourt in paris ok the same thing to you i mean it respective of how democratic or undemocratic the tories gambit is here it is ramming it through it but Boris Johnson and his associates will say but this is what people voted for and hes just doing the will of the people irrespective of well its a bit devious but then politics and being devious are synonymous so go ahead alistair in london well yeah i think thats thats correct that hes hes acting on a democratic mandate and hes trying to get to a situation where the u. K. Actually leaves the European Union the problem just now and the problem that hes got in terms of concluding any of these arrangements by the 31st of october is that steadily uneven and rapidly the rulebook has been torn arpan terms of how politics works theres all sorts of constitutional issues being arranged with parliament grabbing hold of the order book and determining the order of business the legal challenges to what to his capacity to get us out so i think all bets are off just now in terms of whether he can get us out by the 31st of october and you know you could argue that and indeed i would argue that those people who want to delay breaks it in fact want to do much more than that they want to actually stop that and right from the outset the mechanisms to stop breaks at those are have always been posed in a kind of democratically friendly way but the mass the real intent which is really to stop the exits away other lets say with intentions i like that look this go back to admiral john i mean to resume was the worst person possible to negotiate briggs because he didnt believe in it ok she wasnt she was there. Remainder now we have Boris Johnson which with very kind of a checkered past hes really kind of grabbed this thing and made it his own and hes going to fall on a sword one way or another when it comes to braggs in here but least hes in braced it and it seems to me and you gentlemen in the u. K. Are more familiar with it than i am but there it seems to me legally theres not much the out there that can actually really stop him hes going to get this done deal or not go ahead john well theyre out there to straighten the nations political issues under way ready right no action is being wished to test the legality or at least trying to quotes. So we dont know that question egypt to be determined and of course essentially has added a bit of dynamism a book oddity of girls there are also a kind of to a caucus that was severely lacking and not contrast to any realm that was treaties or me with his base but given what hes trying to do in the last week or so if you will trying to use a queen to give them permission to suspend parliament for 5 weeks really get. It thats all changed and i think. That opinion is an issue shall be against them i dont think theres huge appetite for going back to the me and i certainly someone who supported her being in the election and the referendum purely because not because i support you but because i believe this is a case of computer be worse than it is east but i think theres a shift towards a new khushi a bricks rather than an x. I think that its a tuple which most people are standing on this issue at this current moment take both course theres a huge amount of breaks at the key in a country people want to see this resolved one way or the other tired of talking about it and i think hes i mean theres a lot of criticism for the way that she dilly dallying along with her team or these past 3 years and hes dealing causations with the well iowa let me go to you in paris im sick and tired of talking about brags it is well i mean from the president position in europe i mean if this bill a delaying 3 months 6 months i mean one. You need to cut the gordian knot ok and i would suspect since Boris Johnson and his supporters are determined to have brakes it executed they didnt make it the 31st and be done with it i mean why i keep delaying it ok i mean uncertainty is the worst thing in politics go ahead and paris yes i think so the worst thing and put exam in the United Kingdom is admired throw the world for its old democracy but on european matters british policy and british. Democracies are total failure they didnt want to go do the beginning you know in the confidence of missin the. Confidence of rome in 57. 00 they didnt want to draw on the Common Market they tried to do something a competitor of the government which didnt work so when they realise it in work they are asked twice. Too for a while theyre going to Common Market solve the goal refused twice then they insisted again and again and finally the and then they needed a new refund and and then thatcher came and said oh but i dont like the rules i have to change their own and so on and so we made you know that didnt want to tell you too so its a wavering and now they decided by a refund im to leave but even to leave its complicated with them i mean after 3 years they dont know what they want and the house of commons does not know what it wants and so i think at least with Boris Johnson we have. Square policy i dont believe that it is the interest of britain to leave the European Union but it is britains problem and britains decision but at least. In my view is doing square and the down the ball politics norms let me go to our dear i reflected by what we just heard from our guest in paris interesting go ahead yeah yeah i think the thing to understand here is the shift thats taken place over the course of the last 3 years we have the referendum in 2016 the Political Class were overwhelmingly for remaining within the European Union and the vote went against them so it came as a real shock to them the initial response from to raise the mayors as been say it was one of the mentally damage limitation in terms of how the britain withdrew from the European Union she wanted to moderate the way that we withdrew so that we could retain as many links as possible and stay in sync with with our European Partners the problem that shes hardened the problem that boris faces just now is that the damage limitation that hes faced with is the very existence of the conservative party because the people have taken against to raise amaze. Poor attempt to leave and have continued to exert pressure on us to have a break from the European Union so boris is forced into the situation of desperately trying to leave in the 31st of october because he has he has the challenge of keeping his own Party Together personally im not convinced that he wants a new deal breaks out i think this is a ploy for him to come back with some sort of moderated version of the Withdrawal Agreement which i dont think will be overly different but which he can hold up and say well this is what ive won were going to leave so i think you know his problem is a tricky one and the situation were in just now is that in a way the middle ground the more moderate positions fall apart there remain us have become ever more confident that they can push towards a situation of revolt and those that want breaks its. Being forced by the remaining pressure to avoid leaving to go for ever more radical solutions which has ended up with the desire for a clean breakfast or no bricks or however you want to phrase it ok well its there its very interesting here i like what you said you went with the you have the in the moderate views on both sides of the issue kind of fading away but thats what makes october 31st they are due were die in a many ways for both sides here are a gentleman after a short break well continue our discussion break stay with us. Im. Ready ready ready ready sure need to stop at the continuing to grow. I just never know very good about the idea of bringing children into the world because i didnt feel like things were in very good shape that a life was just going to be a lot of software program. Theres no reason the more. You take things that are already made the. 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On that i knew that that is the end of it for the team but for now the mountains of waste only grow higher. Welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to mind were discussing braggs it. Lets go back to john in edinburgh ok lets work under the assumption that brags it occurs its on october 31st or january 31st of next year its happened outside our supposition right here theres a lot of talk here that the you know we do you k. Will drift into the us or bit because we have people like secretary of state mike pompei are just essentially drooling over the possibility of a new trade agreement with the u. K. Which of course will have all those political attachments to it with a deal with Foreign Policy i mean is this something thats going to happen because i think a lot of people on both sides of this issue say britain cant stand alone its going to have to choose one side is that really an outcome that a lot of people that voted in the referendum are interested in seeing happen go ahead john no i dont think it is and i think thats why it was a lot of opposition. To route through new directions because of the trauma administration you know the children initiation and both antipathy towards multilateral institutions and multinational taken blokes look at their studio and by led to the no biological basis no the all seeing rules that only the strong can compromise at all it equals can Reach Agreement does come cold and shivering out of the e. U. Are there any deal that it will be evil no. To any day tasks that trump causes on and you see from this past week he slipped out as not only your americas adversaries but also on its allies canada and france so ready everyones greatly worried about what this would intil for britain Going Forward clearly what is about the future of the n. H. S. A National Health service which is a free Health Service at the point of it was introduced by the course for liberal government and is a shining example of social solidarity and action and people are worried about how this survived its trunk gets his hands on it because we know that the us corporations are see the n. H. S. As a glittering price and johnson has given guarantees bearable guarantees of the n. H. S. We see it but how can he do that for sure conditions on the cheap deal with us in the e. U. He of course predicts. Future will be imposed by us more than we buy and so yes i think people are rightly concerned about donald trumps. Intentions towards britain in the event of a new direction i think that is feeding a lot of the opposition even on it wrecks it sent to the prospect of and you gregson of course or no let me go back to paris here i mean i really appreciate how you characterize the u. K. s relationship with the euro you were European Union for during and i want to go out after what kind of relationship what kind of constructive relationship do you think the e. U. Will have with the u. K. Post braggs it i mean im sure that between france and britain the defense cooperation will go on because its very important you have to realize that britain and france are the 2 only nations in europe that are ready to fight that have thought to the ready to get killed one to kill because an army is done for that you know and we saw it everywhere we threw it in both now for instance. And other. Armies in europe unfortunately use that for for some foreign operations if you like you can rely only on britain and france who are 2 Nuclear Powers who have a corporation in all fields of military including the Nuclear Field so i think that britain will remain a very Strong Partner in defense 2 fronts as far as the special relationship with america of course it will go on but you have to remember remembers something that theys a big difference between some and Boris Johnson that you saw in ballots Boris Johnson said openly that is pro free trade when of course is a protectionist and then also boyce would have to remember that british people is a proud people and they dont like when its too open to clear that britain is the pool of the United States and when it became too poor to clear you know in you remember this summit in some part of the book when when w. Bush called blair or your boss asked him to come like a poodle to his seat you remember that scene and because of that. The labor party actually and britain fired tony blair as the Prime Minister because they cannot british people it is a proud people and they will not be the poodle of america and you have seen that in the g brought our prices in this grace one iranian ship that. America asked for another you know. British action against the iran. In britain well yeah but. It will not be the top of the. Its a really good example let me go to alex thats an excellent example but if and as i mentioned if a new trade deal between the u. K. And the United States is dictated by the United States then youre not going to have that kind of freedom here im thinking about iran for example where france has the european position and the u. K. Would be open to a lot of pressure by the United States to side with it when its a very unpopular policy around the world the british the british would be reduced to having to have to follow orders and i think again thats something thats not really been discussed very much im on the brakes its i dont get me wrong ok but there are a geo political implications of it go ahead allister. Well yeah the huge geopolitical implications i mean i think though the thing is that if we come out of the European Union with anything approaching a clean break where we have the ability to make our own policies are and then to enter into negotiations then were in a better position than the decisions been handed down from. Which were part of but which as a people as a demo swedes never really hard any possibility of contributing to the making of so theres lots of scare stories yes but i think we should take. We should we should look at the Positive Side of this of being able to interact on something approaching our as a starting point on our own terms and obviously compromises will need to follow and all of these things but ultimately if youre talking trade then weve got companies in britain and companies in america and throughout the European Union that want to make products and want to sell them at a profit so theres a certain logic in that which will lead to compromises we shouldnt be afraid of that on the political side i think we have we have some Big Decisions to be made but the important thing i think to remember is that even within the European Union just no its not all harmony is good from parts of the European Union the think Different Things its a league wants with china that germany was honestly where i want to go here thats exactly where i want to go john what the what are the things that brussels is so infuriated by briggs that is because it sets a precedent and always a tappy in the european home ok and i think all of us would agree with that but once one gets out it creates a model for others to think at least start thinking about it and i think thats one of the reasons why brussels was so rigid with the u. K. And they were actually quite fortunate to have such a weakling is in may so but the president will be there and its something that the mandarins in brussels certainly have to be thinking about go ahead joe. Oh yeah touching on woman nor scent of a grown being are a coon in x. Thats a rare in europe over the last 4044 years of us involvement in European Union its been a mutation but also source completely also missed under this process because its stuck to a rigid of shooter lane and not making any low end for the side of the little skepticism crush it up a