For the polish the enemy is supposed to be russia as well for the for the greeks for the. And for the government the enemy so its not a military alliance to be to be honest its a political audience its a way with using used by washington to control to politically military reside the they really need to get down to the 2nd most powerful military in nato which is to and they dont want to play the same tune then. Theres something going on in the alliance here glenn thinks it can it out i dont think you can. Just add to some past here its not just 2 members of the same alliance these are 2 countries that tried to destroy the Syrian Government just recently you know and i got a call do you have a line from the Washington Post from 2012 when. Turkish fighter jet was dumped by the syrian air force. Nato or one syria against approaching the border with turkey draws defiance from our site so at the moment nato was all on the side of turkey. They said stupid things like syria may make an aggression against to syria which was in the red just over civil war you know a country blinded by the by the walk brought from old sight they expected it to and who is now who is now taking that cooks who are the bad dates Free Syrian Army know the turks have renamed the cream national on the just read the papers you know make its internet search of the New York Times and the Washington Post they were the movie guys the Free Syrian Army looking anywhere to happen here again when we look at the the u. S. In turkey and with each other in syria its still a. Selfdefense ok you come its mutual defense what happens what happens if something happens in the in the syria gets involved in this parley here are they going to invoke article 5 do you think any other member of nato is going to come to turkeys aid thats what i mean its not going to change its either one way or another you could argue that this is to some extent an evidence that they have reached a bit of a compromise its hard to talk about america withdrawing but they havent actually withdrawn from syria theyre just pulling out and opening up for a turkish invasion or at the going to want us to use the word were words have meaning and from the perspective of syria it is an invasion use the word right now i would agree that they are entering a foreign territory that is an invasion no one invited them so but obviously the americans gave while on the trunk of this green light. Green lights are pulling back so the turks who come in so it looks like there is some. Attempts to go to harmonize the interest and overcome it is the harmony can you keep it under control everything about the syrian conflict. Started there were ever you know the turks have crossed the border then they support the rebellion not only the turks but the United States the European Union everyone and also the want that vandy the terrorists are going to threaten these countries and indeed you know in turkey there were several more terrorist attacks in 2015 so. Hes seen turkeys face in the terrorist danger he is not so far from the truth you know hundreds of somebody but. Here is danger. To the point is we needed to clear the issue to fight against isis or to fight against islamist its because we dont want to send some in fun to read. We send some support. From France Special forces but as long as the west want to continue im sorry in very least words they need to use in infantry and the problem in the in the western narrative. People were supposed to arise again. And what is this point is that there are people are. We need an infantry to fight the monsters we created i mean islam is on the west although its on the east and this time we needed the issue in front of me to be and to be honest and the point is any serious expert 4 years ago when we started to work with these people everybody perfectly knew that some knowledge. For countries that these people inside will agree to this truism as they used to do the last century so there is no surprise and im going to get well again. Only to quote quote unquote abandoning the turks know the turks made a bad historical decision. Again demijohn yeah well i mean i would remind you of that basically who started the whole war this is the point that trump made which made all of that mass media all the Mainstream Media angry but you said this is all because of obama well yes because of course start the war in 20112012 of course not only obama it was also the European Union but remember Nouri Al Maliki at that that the iraqi Prime Minister he said the war would speak to iraq you know there is what mr operated on also in iraq and the American Media was dismissive of him he is a car but he is arse of stooge when the ice is started to operate in syria and in iraq and they never apologized you know they never agreed that basically what i also said that there is that they can other countries was true what nobody had money that was spinnin or were to iraq was strong and now you know i dont cotton to you there was the cooks and the syrians syrians too can nearly all the crowd casualty in that previous fight against the kind of fight why would they do so again after trump abandoned them against the turks and came up with a quote the question is here it. Is and lands in syria against. The train left the station can the kurds and the Syrian Government come to terms because over the last couple weeks the number of experts and the decision to split what do you think went well i think the kurds less of an option of this i think there would be if they had more they hear more leverage not too long ago now they have only given it up so yes so its difficult to predict because its too many uncertain variables but i do think that the turks and the kurds on their greater pressure now to kind of. Closer towards the Syrian Government. Have to abandon the United States because thats the thats it ok and you have to choose well if you start really into. The Syrian Government has russia i guess would hope would be for damascus and to sit down and the kurds who would be negotiated. Through that on agreement of 98. 00 i think that would be the main format to resolve this issue so yes i think if that happens the u. S. Would have to be squeezed a bit out of it however as i mentioned the americans have actually left syrian territory so they might theyre still searching for that mission in syria but exactly my opinion there will be some revenge against a goodish people because look at what happened. In the west use the. Fighters to take up city and they completely destroy it and so in my opinion and again which was to happen that the arab living in. Or in jena soon as they will see that the fighters we lived were living it would be it would be about but time for the for the good issue people image and what will be probably going to mean that main point for me is that their western narrative physical action the kurds are more afraid of turkey then theyre afraid of us that weve been told all these years that are so these are the worst and now it turns out that kurds are more afraid of turkey which used to be a key element in the west and also a lot against ourselves and you know aragon in 2012 when he was prepared an invasion because of that fight that was down everyone said im not giving weapons to the rebels but i all for all possible support to liberate the syrians from dictatorship and of court and then the west will support if yes he wants to leverage syria from dictatorship now theyre sane erdogan is a liar are going to dictate that when did he become more powerful the good thing is that on this program with you gentlemen we have a sense of memory and a sense of history were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion of the real new state with r. 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The real story here its foreign and military adventures we have learned over the last couple decades theyre easy to get started ok the law of unintended consequences are always in play but when youre putting in your troops are not thinking about what could go wrong what could go wrong for turkey with their ex their escapade in Northern Syria do they plan to stay. Its hardly their their their their strategy changed over the over the long. Long years of this war so i think at the moment their ideal scenario i guess if they could do what they want will would be to cleanse the Border Regions of turds so innocent irene e. U. Member is going to commit ethnic cleansing and no ones going to stop and possibly even repopulated with Syrian Refugees within there and we want to go there yeah no its well again its not a well thought out reply and you can live very thank you that was the point of the question but i want to be surprised if we would have. On this site with an equipment between. The russian. Love for office a lot of work ahead and you know actually. Turns tense years ago between affairs and i saw. That there was a really. If you look at the reaction of the russian reaction refused to vote against you on the u. N. And if you look at. Take takes this. I wouldnt be surprised if there is already an agreement on the. So that theres if you were to use the Monopoly Game is there as an analogy thats to get out of jail free card here. We just heard about russias possible involvement of that to be putin speaking to arab media all foreign powers should leave syria interventional russia would like to do exactly the same thing its not an open ended commitment. I think this would be their ideal solution about also russia pushing for the renewable the 1998 agreement between turkey and syria the question is how is this possible if a drug on im sorry lets call a spade a spade are going to try to kill us they have our friends theyve they spend together syrian and turkish cabinets you know just even the cold during meetings you know in the beginning of the state all the states are called monsters. You know i just cant imagine how after everything that happened they can return to business as usual but the main problem what you have there is usually im a bit you know how do you open hostilities ill take that any day of the week. You know there was a very good article in the american conservative about the us l. X. Yes by daniel and then let me just call it very quickly the border issue for you what happens when the u. S. Commits to unnecessary and unwinnable wars and gives local partners on reasonable expectations off support and protection well basically this is how acts they get into a country they dont understand to create in russia or syria and turkey they produce that if you rise up against you know. Youre. And to get support from these we see will walk and then they just retreat and we come out and i think. Some of that tragedy let me remind you that no one talked about and i think greenstick in 2015 but ever were very close to extinction they were in a war zone and you know now what theyre talking about the police. Say if they were still a kurd if it hit him in the face. Just think turkey you will have a lot of incentives to be more measured in this military and they should know because well 1st of all the whole region is supportive of this theyre all of it having very bad relations with the u. S. Over this but possibly more importantly if they go too hard and neglect it will fail to coordinate that listen little bit with the Syrian Government they would not just some problem between. Them that have gone but you would also have a problem with russia in the wrong and if you want to have a if you want a settlement other day its you know you need to talk to moscow and terror on like you does this format so i think thats the main reason why im going to have to sit with assad and they have to sort out the kurdish issues problems without. Going to. Moving the with the beginning no political plan if you remember 5 years ago when the start to we involved part in the. Peace. Plan which work knew. That you want to find peace solution in syria the need to talk to russia and. If the west wants peace in syria that is you look i. Know the idea that i havent heard much about but i want to switch gears just real quickly here i dont want to go into them around called american domestic politics but you know it much to my mind donald trump will be in. Each day will not be removed but he will be impeached by the Democratic Congress i decided fact American Foreign policy well again they should call the show on predictability cause its very difficult to so many variables in their well does anybody want to call him lol i think ill know although that i think probably 3 major areas one will be there did they think theyre going to isolate the us within a notices but theyre also going to isolate the United States in International Affairs and i think from trump were going to see possibly more brazen Foreign Policy because he would have he would really need in order to win the election under pietschmann he would need some big win and want to win means does it mean striking a trade deal with. China being a peace maker or. He can go both ways yes or yes yeah its very unpredictable. I mean this speech you made or 2 days ago said something very true we know to discuss with any u. S. President as long as you know that maybe in 2 months is all the discussion will be published on the on the newspaper so i totally the democrats know theyre destroying the destroying the u. S. Foreign policy but you willing to destroy trump it. Stupid and. There is a very interesting side that if trump to publish the commiseration with zelinsky it means that he doesnt care of ukraine because in my opinion it. Refused to publish any conversation with putin and the chinese or. Anything like that to. You but from the outside from the earth side looking in i think its a Fair Assessment the community is undermining this president and Everybody Knows that ok i mean if you look at russia again ukraine where it all comes from the Intelligence Community here so i mean donald trump is a top. Character on the world stage at this point in time i mean in portland is going on with north korea. Regarding iran and all these things are own resolve they need to be resolved i believe agree with glenn i mean he could be the master art of the deal and pull a rabbit out of the heart and be a peace maker but it looks like the Intelligence Community and the democrats in the media dont want him to do that well let me be very clear about that i have a strong one for trump but i want him to stay in power simply because hes the 1st president in the last sujit years of u. S. History who did not start a big war yet during the. Going to be no doubt ari i was skeptical im sorry but i mean the reason why he wont start that i think until 2000. Because hes checkmated you know the United States starts wars when there is a consensus inside the lead that they need to attack a certain country that was the case with iraq that was the case with going to stand with libya and in that sense election in 2016 will stick a ball for the United States it destroyed the tuition of elections board sides especially the democrats used a very nasty tricks you know they destroyed the instant you could learn about more of those streets or yes but but trump was checkmate that the congress and the media which has enormous power when the United States they didnt want him to become a winner in iran if he wanted to start a war in iran iran would be in shambles no they would go with the middle east the same story im sort of in this situation i want him to stay not because i like him personally but because this creates tension inside us i mean and it wont be because this is a real. World alone you know the same reason why i dont want that you would be in union to speak with one voice i think its stupid you know what russia says we want the European Union to speak with one voice they will be able to resist the United States not