Privilege like rubin did ever again in this country thatll be a high high priority for him because colvin and and the labor party became available for that they were going to take away the kind of privilege of his wealth they way from fighting its cold is the whole background to media matters the easy thing for them to do is to implement boundary changes weve been to have a new commission to make the seats even even smaller in areas that labor could do better in i mean thats thats probably on the cards but he may be thinking of other things he may be thinking of changing the Voting System so you have to go through various stages of id to actually be able to vote and that would harm labor in particular ways its perhaps a party for him and for the people who backed him in the people who gave the money for his campaign they never want to see the fat of social Democratic Left wing labor party again john. Famously the Bullingdon Club reputedly. He used to send their Members Around oxford to burning a 50 pound note in front of the homeless is that what britain is seriously looking forward to that kind of future i think that unfortunately i mean im from yorkshire and we have like you know large mining communities securely where we literally for you know the police the politicised police force in the street and now were seeing those very same people suddenly voting for the conservatives. The one kind of area to come for the i draw the bricks it now becomes completely the conservative creation because you said all grieved johnson opposes an inquiry into what you call it politicized. Event famously in the miners strike why did all the mining towns where did they all go tory is it racism are anti immigrant think there is a i think we have to be only so we have to call it what it is in the a large appeal to bigotry in the conservative. Kind of style even in the way that theyve sort of position themselves to the rival on the money as you can over these areas of become older and older young people have had to leave the service because they want to work so you see you will also look in a no demographic in those areas younger people in britain not just people diversity but in general have moved into the cities where the opportunities are ok because older people are old enough then to know how it is that your arguably destroyed the Manufacturing Industries in those areas yes although some of them im going to start the strike was not in 84. That there were people that who had who are now out to my age you know it was still a school of those caught in the miners strike it was a long time ago. Its its going to be very tricky the conservatives have managed to blame immigrants and blame us for people who blame everybody but themselves for the situation people find something they promised them that if you do this one thing if you get price it done. Everything will be great they probably still do loads of spending on health and so on theyre really good at promising and they really will be good at lying theyve practiced it and for the next 4 possibly 5 years they will be telling people that theyve done a lot for them is just the people in those areas will not get to see any of it people did say that young people. Just proportionately supported corbet what happened to the youth quake in all those constituencies an advantage of the move to the cities i think is still there i mean my experience of doorstep and i just doorstep the main killer marching for crit the m. P. Chris peace and also in sheffield for the m. P. Louise hay my experience is that we seem kind of what the same is a shift away from class politics and more into a generational divide now the young people do not believe that they didnt but equally and i dont i dont think that theyre conservative supporters either and i think theres obviously the idea that people move to the political rise they get older in the uk more well to protect but i dont think it really holds up i think in the longer the conservative party in real trouble because their appeal is almost exclusively to older voters now its a baby boomers. Interested in my wifes grandfather died last week and he was older than 3 any vote to remain in the he was part of the generation that fought the war and set up the postwar consensus which the conservatives are now going to rip it to pieces but he was the generation that tried to you know establish peace in europe the baby boomers have rejected that in some ways they betrayed both their parents on their children you dont hear featuring in new film the dirty war in the n. H. S. Were going to actually speak to john pilger soon on the program. What you expect to happen to the National Health service i should say the polls did show they trusted the people thats going to trust Boris Johnson more than Jeremy Corbett of the they did well as film couldnt be shown because of perjury lets campaign the fact that hundreds and that would last few months files and of extra people have died above the already high level deaths of icing and getting bitten the n. H. S. Will be blamed for that by the conservatives theyll say its not fit for purpose it doesnt work. They have wanted to find ways of privatizing more of it they will try to difficile where people are told dont worry is Still Available for you but the services were actually being provided by private contractors more babies are being dying in england and feel it year for the last 4 years in for more weight as wizard in england and wales no where else to do it in scotland the infant mortality rate used to be higher in 2014 it was the same as England Wales since then theyve had a dramatic fall because the Scottish Government have raised money and raise some taxes and of employ more with wives and then a whole series of poverty policies to get in from all toilet seat down so it will be quantifiable that some of the poor people in the mining towns that trish they were labelled a tory they will die oh earlier than that would really expect on Life Expectancy in britain is still below the level it was in to in 2014 we are the only country in europe with a lower Life Expectancy than them we are straight we have the widest inequality in all of europe and weve done where we are normal is weve done what the most unequal countries in the o. E. C. D. Do these are chile russia the United States israel all of them the most unequal countries nearly cd let the strong man he says follow me and i will make everything better theres a kind of ever bought i will kind of predictability about this sort of the question is when the strongman doesnt deliver. Do people as you say. That or do they measure find the scapegoats in a new life labor about 235. 00. Thats a terrible situation to be back to in terms of popularity when Clement Attlee lost the election yes but we have a disaster coming not a disaster or anything as bad as the 2nd world war but it is going to be a disaster for well im sure george will say were a disaster torrie a great opportunity he will he will say that but just remember what happened while election after 1935 anything is possible what this failure to show. This vote yes youll vote was outside of the confidence limits of the 100 friends and people polled a turd a week before this was this was not on the cards john youve been very vocally for your record prolabor why dont more rock stars Cultural Icons with the honorable exceptions why why dont more of them coming out for labor is it because they are part of a culturally financially wealthy elite themselves may now be a great fan of the kind of social theorist marc fisher whos talked about the kind of slow comes elation of the future this idea that weve stopped trying to Progress Society forward enough a lot of people have essentially become very kind of comfortable and ultimately comes down to to careerism you know people who you know by the very nature of the fact that you write songs means that you have some sort of empathy for the world around you and that you look at you look at all the you know the situation in politics everything that happens in the world its not something that you can kind of sort of disengage from yourself and i can only write about my own personal feelings and i have to say that many of my contemporaries in the music game you find that theyre often left wing and socialists and labor supporters joining the p. B. When they havent got any money and as soon as they meet one of them this begin to seek an intellectual justification for their own greed during the factory years you got a great kind of social awakening bombs like the specials and the clash rose to the challenge of conference and government equally satire became very good in the eightys you know right across the aisle in films you know the ken loach movies and stuff so i would hold it up the Artistic Community and rise to the challenge however. In some of them as well as the day why i had the misfortune to spend not this election not the one before with mick jagger you know a man who wrote about street fighting man in the sixtys a bill comes 2017 was praying for a tory victory so theyve been losing money to cobains tax policy John Mclaughlin professor Danny Dorling thank you. After the break the chairman of the welsh conservatives and labor m. P. For 30 years kate hoey on the partys apparent betrayal of the english working class almost more comparable to a going underground. Economy. Its a let me. Ask i would name will. Pick i could. Record. This show more than. Can you love lose you know my. Son to make it a secret is dont want to talk. To what they were all of the kook on the standards of the out now as you. Know most of the focal. I knew of those 2 morons who move them along to the snooze through learning one thing for not. So when you hire tied to use into a good. Joke. To me when i meet you house on the net passing them. Join me every thursday on the alex simon show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im sure ill see you then. When they miss owners johnson. And i just got out of prison for. 41 yes. 72 here and so now i got arrested for attempted something. Its still going on like this everything is taken out of. My work and. Think it was. Meant to snow man that looks a little bit like me. 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No new year stop another majority in Northern Ireland and i think were going to have to ensure that we can get the devolved executive working again i think its particularly important that we fight hard for the union. Were not front and center on the result means that we have. To move forward in scotland so we can and have. The time this referendum. Sooner rather than later and know if they. Should just stay because. We are you know spain has been. To recognise that are so awful that i should rein them in and barcelona and catalonia what do we do need to resort to you know of survival and sort. Of. People being put in a position where shifts which is not respect in the democrats in mind well be having discussions over the weekend and into next week. To see welcome back to the 1st half we heard from revenue makers from and not through the universities down the dorling now veteran labor m. P. Kate hoey who decided enough was enough and then out she wouldnt be running on thursday after 30 years on the reasons labor lost kate thanks for coming on so labor paying the price for betraying the working class of this country i think thats a fair summing up of what i think labor has after the 2017 election where they did quite well with a new leader jameco but and they promised that they would honor the referendum and then labor m. P. s that the next 2 years delaying for. Stressing trying to stop it happening and theyve not paid the price and unfortunately theyve paid the price for some very good labor m. P. s whove who where are wanting to honor the referendum honestly but is it a weakness of call them or is it foreign sheriff. Jerry briggs its a record store as they reputedly forced corgan as they are allowed to in and member upon for 30 years and then every single vote there was which was Anti European Union last treaty lisbon treaty all of those where we had a vote jeremy was in the same lobby as well as i was and i think he is a genuine believer in leaving the e. U. And all the neoliberal policies of the e. U. But he has when he became leader of the party he had a very important very prove remain. Parliamentary party and he had a shadow cabinet to gradually move the policy towards being remain and then knowing that they quite couldnt quite become a remand party with Jeremy Corbin having to say he would be neutral but you cant go into an election which is a bracks it election and say you can be neutral ok with some go in then go but he wont because hes got bricks it fortunately delivers it hes always favored been seen to favor irish unity Northern Ireland merely a referendum no way already talking about a referendum in defiance of westminster voting. Also more money for the n. H. S. From a conservative verdict i mean hes obviously not going to benefit from that in the sense of still being leader because he will go but you know i think what we need to think about now is weve got a conservative government with a majority government can i get it done we have now our conservative m. P. s representing labor held areas working class constituencies who are going to see their surgeries every week people with problems that ive seen all my life in an inner city area uprising benefit problems employment problems housing problems and some of those tory m. P. s are not your kind of. A standard version of what some people in labor think are tory m. P. s they are going to be putting a lot of pressure on the Prime Minister to really genuinely end stare at a because they know that if Boris Johnson doesnt deliver on a lot of these issues theyll be out at the next election so i think it could be a very interesting time for the conservative party going to have to look at actually their policies really meaning that theyre working towards an end to inequality and funding the Health Service and lets not just going to be good enough for labor to say as Emily Thornberry tried to do with the tories are all just right wing. Extremists because that is actually being incredibly rude about it labor voters who switched to conservatives for all sorts of reasons yes it isnt the vote not progressive bricks it voted for in these 4 mining areas it is an anti immigrant prick for all i think thats just nonsense and that thats just the kind of almost slur i think that people who remain have wanted to argue that anyone who voted leigh was somehow some kind of right wing extremist who is a racist and a fascist and all of that is just obviously not not true people want yes control of immigration and do not want to see complete Free Movement because we know that that leads to a reduction in workers wages and big corporations being able to play off workers from one country against another but no one is saying that were not going to have immigration but what i want to see is a fair immigration system treats the whole world in the same way why should the 27. 00 European Union countries have this special relationship you know where we should be an independent country deciding who we want to come in reasons for them coming in treat everybody equally when theyre here and a lot of people who are here to be treated properly will them as we said the 52 percent of the vote at the election as you know were cast for remaining parties in. Youve said your country comes before your party when you step down and people are talking about the end of the United Kingdom scotland is doing about secession and in Northern Ireland of course many people seem a good friday agreement clearly states that a change in voting pattern more or perception of the desires of the north requires a real referendum on irish unity well on scotland 1st in scotland was the manifesto was to stop breaks it for them in that doesnt work for them now are they really going to go into an independent referendum and say that you know theyre going to rejoin the the opinion we will see you know the early stage and so i said that with or without that i mean the government does not have to give a referendum at this stage and i surrendered my last parliament votes to give it to them in a very. Well i mean see you know theyve made it very clear the conservatives and labor that they were rushing in to give another referendum as far as art and concerned i think you have to be very careful in the realising that the people who voted for the Alliance Party many of them are disillusioned remain unionists they are not going to tomorrow in a referendum vote for United Ireland i am absolutely certain and i know Northern Ireland very well that there is still a very big majority to stay as part of the United Kingdom bec