Welcome to. What explains the bipartisan commitment to an ending wars in Foreign Military interventions recent poll shows the majority of veterans. Say it wasnt worth it in 2016 gained traction foreign adventures today. Doing the same why are the elite. Talking and ending wars im joined by my guest daniel hsia in new york he is a professor of latin american and Caribbean Studies at City University of new york but that is that we have peter he is a professor of history and director. The Nuclear Studies institute at American University as well as coauthor with all of her stone of the untold history of the United States and in washington we cross to camp he is the host and head writer of the comedy new show redacted tonight on our t. V. America all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate lets go to protest to peter i think that all of us would agree and our audience that its unlikely that we would ever compared to donald trump ok theyre very very different but they do have one commonality and its an attitude towards foreign adventures now donald trump has not been able to do much about his rhetoric of the campaign while hes been in office but tell us he gabbert keeps going both of them are slammed every time they go outside the the borders or the perimeters of the bipartisan commitment to these wars why is that why do they get slammed down so hard so fast even with people within their own party go ahead peter. Well as you indicate there is a bipartisan consensus when it comes to American Foreign policy and its dominated by a neo con neoconservative or a view its based on this idea of american exceptionalism that the United States has the right duty the obligation to intervene or out or 0 if the United States is gods gift to humanity that unlike everybody else where alex was to commend evelyn you are just breath freedom and democracy but the net result of this is that we live in a war of them which the richest people have more wealth than the poorest the point 8000000000 people that us policy has been consistently interventionist one that the cold more never really and that policy change at the end or and theres been a war a war between the 1st world in the 3rd world ever since but its very very dangerous tulsi understands that i dont agree that donald trump and told syrian anyway comparable. Use of Foreign Policy are so much better informed than donald trump thats for sure thats what our record is actually in very hawkish very militaristic so even though he has a rhetoric about not want to intervene its very very different than the kind of aggressive intelligent view in which one is opposed to this i agree with you completely my point is for example removing troops from syria and you know even his own governor his own cabinet you know kind of came piling in i take your point well taken here daniel let me go to to you in my introduction also i mention that recent polling because of memorial day the veterans of these wars in this century these interventionist wars they say the majority of a large majority actually say it quote unquote it wasnt worth it so that should be kind of some wake up call whitney a thank go ahead daniel one would certainly. The hope with the Foreign Policy establishment the pentagon has never listen to the veterans or listen to anybody except for their own narrow interests of course the vietnam era veterans still suffering to this day from p. T. S. D. And thousands upon thousands tens of thousands of our loved ones sisters and brothers sent to iraq and afghanistan in these wars of foreign pillage no question that these veterans are against the war and tulsi gabbett very articulately captures that sentiment and shes really a fresh of breath air in the still Democratic Party debates where no one besides bernie is willing to take on the Foreign Policy establishment and here you have a very unique individual was 16 years of quote unquote service one might say a disservice if one agrees with Martin Luther king that the u. S. Government in the u. S. Military the greatest purveyors of violence in the world but she speaks a certain language and can go on fox news you know and can relate to really millions of American Families and theyre afraid of their very definitively afraid of her yeah they really are and it is really quite interesting that she has a place at fox news who who would have thought anyway let me go to leave here in washington you know leave that for my everything weve heard so far on this program here i suppose is that the. Democratic process and having popular opinion about Foreign Policy is simply for bowden ok you can argue about Everything Else but you cant argue about Foreign Policy it just isnt there and it and one of the reasons why its there is because the Corporate Mainstream media gives this bipartisan view cover all of the time go ahead lee yeah yeah its totally disgusting that we live in largely a death a column a i mean we make tremendous amounts of money from our weapons sales 55 percent of our Discretionary Spending is dumped into the military. And if anyone questions it its dead theyre called right Hillary Clinton called gabbert a russian asset that is completely not allowed to question our military Industrial Complex and if you are you are pushed out by the 2 corporate parties you are you are purged from them like something they needed to vomit up because you dared question these things and as you mentioned earlier in the few instances that donald trump has tried to do something that was against war against death against our military such as withdraw troops or peace with north korea he is shut down and you know that is not to say hes some kind of dove. That obama dropped 26000 drone bombs his final year in office and with under trumpet went up to 40000 a year or so he has no dog its a bomb every 12 minutes you know theres blood on all of our hands as americans and but in those few instances where he does seem like he has some desire to create peace or to limit war he is completely shut down and it raises the question have we seen basically a soft coup in terms of Foreign Policy if its completely run by our military Industrial Complex and you cannot question it even if youre the press to present the United States then whos in control of it and you know the president s not congress well peter as we heard a few weeks ago from a former Deputy Director of the cia thank god for the deep state ok and everybody clapped ok peter saying with you ok given everything weve said here on this program it but if we look at these interventions particularly since in this century there all have been utter failures so theres no learning curve on top of this beis bipartisan commitment to an ending wars so they think they can even in a knowledge failure is that even worse go ahead peter. Well weve had some stunning successes we did several dozen cuban construction workers in grenada right in 83 of. Our military. Its. Really gotten since the korean war i mean how much more do we have to learn there were just a big Conference Last Week in washington about the vietnam war you know and. Its the worst atrocity since the holocaust 3800000 vietnamese died according to Robert Mcnamara when he came into my class he said he accepts the 3800000 vietnamese died but we look at the track record since then theres been military intervention after military intervention with this low results creating more problems not only killing millions of people but. Wreaking havoc. Of many of the problems that were facing in the world now our result of the u. S. Invasion of iraq in 2003 and people who warned beforehand that that would be the effect oh yeah i think when he gets the media did not allow that that point of view the only one who is talking about that phil donahue and he lost his job yeah he lost his job. And the n. B. C. Existential said well everybody else is waving the flag we dont want to be seen as some kind of doves over here because it is then been that dangerous kind of consensus you turn on c. N. N. Or in this and these say even fox news is absurd you turn on c. N. N. And some b c and youll have 4 talking heads there who are experts saying that the russian intervention in the 26 election was an actor who are and nobody even thinks to read any of this ok peter i was kind of hoping to avoid the impeachment thing but you opened that can of worms im going to go to daniel you know daniel ive been watching part of some of the hearings because there are so absurd and theyre so boring and theyre so opaque. It is really just a 6 show to watch what the ok given that i watch the quote unquote experts on ukraine why. Do they have their jobs they have no idea what theyre talking about and then you can add on what peter was saying the media just says oh my goodness these patriots are so knowledgeable you have to defer to them their their expertise no theyre not theyre all political hacks daniel. The impeachment proceedings is the other guests have said are a massive distraction from the very real issues in new york city right now every day more poverty in homelessness the Opioid Epidemic all these real working class issues that need to be addressed in the media spin doctors 247 with every minute boring detail about ukraine in all the russia phobia and russia gate field so now theres this whole ukraine thing its extremely distracting and whats really behind that is. Donald trump is not a reliable dependable candidate for what you call the deep state for the pentagon the state Department Good point of course he should be impeached he should be overthrown because hes a racist warmongering zina phobia homophobic massage honest but the Mainstream Media doesnt focus on that they focus on really these. Deceptive and rush hysterical plus that theyve concocted. Ok but you know daniel last 30 seconds go to you for before we go to the break but what russia gate was a hoax it failed why do they think its going to get traction if you just put ukraine in front of it here i mean that its absurd to go 25 seconds to before we go to the break. Again its designed to distract if the top 10 New York Times stories and fox stories and c. N. N. And theres this media i gem many then the everyday American People can see outside of that box and the everyday american populace is not educated on us Foreign Policy its only until subscribed to this idea of what the professor called american exceptionalism all right gentlemen im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on an ending war stayed with our team. Twas the night before christmas and all over the world people are mining back on seeking individual sovereignty so they probably just throw anything. Larger see right through the room and. My name is drew more than i was for this to die in prison by the expiration of my life. Case to grab some Media Attention and its a shooting in a 16 year olds 16 birthday party. So i think the police tell a lot of pressure to. Close the case. For me is. Just its like i couldnt believe those. 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Ok lets go to lee in washington its part of my job lead to watch the media as much as painful and stupid and a waste of time as it is i have to keep up with what other people are saying i should i should get hot i should get a hardship pay because i watch a lot of nonsense ok when i want to pick up on 2 points that we were brought up on this program but peter brought up american exceptionalism here and daniel was also talking about how poorly educated americans are about Foreign Policy and i think thats really kind of the nexus because most americans maybe not for through no fault of their own actually have no idea the impact of American Foreign policy around the world i mean whats going on in bolivia right now it is horrendous whats going. Going on it really when you look at. Opposition figures being kidnapped being tied to trees being tortured. For every constitutional law there is and its not dare make the greys oh no cover it the interceptor will cover it in a few other people you will cover it lee ok but the American People largely have no idea about these things and because of what we heard about american exceptional thats the bow on the top isnt it where it kind of keeps everything and stay says go ahead lee. Yeah i think its a testament to what a brilliant job theyve done and shutting down an actual discussion in the media of the truth behind these these coups that weve helped create in bolivia right now with many of these leaders were trained at the school the americas which has been renamed for branding purposes you know the brand was getting solid so they had to change the name but you know an inventive swale our economic sanction or economic war has killed 40000 people over the past couple of years and americans dont know any of this because youre not going to get it really on just about any mainstream outlet and that includes n. P. R. And p. B. S. And those that that are now you know the head of n. P. R. Is the former head of voice of america so you have a full a full scale american Propaganda Network across all of the outlets and many of the independent outlets so its really an impressive job theyve done a dumbing down the american populous and i do real quick want to take issue with one thing that was said earlier i dont know that all of these wars and invasions that weve been involved in are of failures from the view of the neo cons and the you know the neo liberals that have run them i think destroying the country of iraq and and making it so it basically is is powerless but i think that you know their view is probably a success probably similar with syria just seeing them collapse its chaos theory ive heard this argument and i think it has a lot of billeted im glad you brought it up thankfully let me go to peter now what happened to the Antiwar Movement what happened i mean i remember the marches all around the world particularly in europe in the protests in the u. S. Were protesting the iraq war and its gone and its why is it because of the media or is it because of control of the internet and social media platforms how do we explain it go ahead peter. We had a good answer to that maybe. But its not that you know on the campuses when i go around the country speaking quite a bit and its. Not that the young people i think students dont care they do care 1st of all theyre not very well informed on this issue theyre very vocal lives on Climate Change theyre really activists about that theyre very sensitive to gender and sexual issues and need to movement theyre very concerned about racial issues but theres very little concern about Nuclear Issues number one and number 2 Foreign Policy in general and were talking about you you introduce trump to someone in a positive way the beginning you look at his Nuclear Policies and its an absolute disaster yet no not on it he pulled out of the c. P. O. And the nuclear deal with iran not only did he agree i. N. F. Treaty. Is the new start treaty if you want to look at his Nuclear Posture review lots of pushes back to a Nuclear Arms Race like the 1980 s. When we had 70000 Nuclear Weapons in the world so theyre not theyre not focused on these issues either so thats not that they dont care but i think that they do have a 7 minute sense of existential threat which is why theyre concerned about Climate Change but some of the other issues he issues of us and then do morse and the issues of Nuclear Threats its not on their agenda right now i guess peter well guess what that you know you ring up the environment i suppose your students know that the pentagon is the biggest polluter in the world ok they probably know that but probably not in the foreign interventions around the world and how they happen here daniel the same question to you i mean ill use peter as you know how do we rebuild the Antiwar Movement we we have code pink out there its great and i agree with him on those issues here but you know how do you how do you capitalized on what we had before because its only getting worse i mean i think one of the biggest changes in the last couple years is that you have the neil. And baiting the left liberals now i mean now theyre in but they have equal footing in each