Testify against or for using to incriminate joining us on java wiki leaks currently here in london the u. N. Report to. Whos been on this show and edges that the u. S. Is currently engaged in psychological torture of Chelsea Manning you know. This is just real cruelty. She is guilty you mean a whistleblower releasing documents that expose war crimes by the United States in one issue for me shes been in jails 7 months now i believe they were refusing to start to the grand jury she already serves there were years of prison for prison economy titian of her sentence you know i admire her courage. But shes being punished for exposing the war crimes you know thats a crime in itself she didnt find it they should never be there are in fairness Bernie Sanders also running for the president ial nomination friend november. Agrees with you on that says joining us on shouldnt be extradited what exactly is the need for a 3rd green party and do you believe that what sanders calls his vision of democratic socialism can never really work in a Democrat Party as currently configured we need Real Solutions and the 2 major parties are not providing them the clout of crisis inequality crisis we have declining life expectancies but a working class in this country because inequality each going to be people are having a hard time may have to choose between medical bills for example in we have a Nuclear Arms Race you know all these treaties we got all these trees next one is the new start treaty the beginning in the next president ial term so those are issues that need to be addressed the latter issue none of the Major Party Candidates are talking about him none of them are offering Real Solutions i would say Bernie Sanders is seriousness or Green New Deal which has been the green Party Signature issue for the last decade and he does address the inequality issue unfortunately to democrats and to the people he seems to be coming up short in the democratic primary what even if you got elected a independent party and left like the green party would be his best our ass because the minute he tries to boost state medicare for all hes going to run into the democratic leadership in congress will look to people opposed to the those members of Congress Like people opposed to medicare nancy pelosi enjoyed schumer well you know you know the. Socalled progressive Mainstream Media will either tell you of being a russian assets like they did jill stein whos actually been on this show in the past former leader the green body and let alone that the fact is your basically going to help donald trump retain the white house in november by splitting the vote if that were the democrats are responsible for splitting new gloat the last 2 republicans have been elected have to do. Lost the popular vote by the Electoral College george bush in 2 down and donald trump in 2016 and weve been giving them the answer to that dead state ranked Choices National popular book and now would in both the fact that the Electoral College and the elections of the person came in 2nd in those 2 cases and also it is the problem of deciding to blow for the lesser evil is the greater evil when you really want to vote for somebody else Bernie Sanders he lost the nomination in 2016 but the issues he raised like medicare for our tuition free Higher Education in real Climate Action are now part of the real debate in the Democratic Party so you dont have to win artist to move to move the debate in the us we need to do well its a great democratic exercise why the green body always do so badly that where we have a winner take all system unlike most countries that have elections there proportional representation and we have a strong tradition we have the oldest party in the world whats been called the 2nd most enthusiastic capitols party in the world its the democrats in and we have the Richest Party in the world that most of those you have to get was born in the world the republicans in their entrenched greens there are 50 people elected locally around the country in on a basis we dont up a state legislatures and congress why come out of retirement to run for the presidency especially when Bernie Sanders has up until a few days ago been the front runner to actually lead the Democrat Party the 1st time a socialist ever has where i am a recently retired seams are in and i was drafted by greens across the country when progress was going to the Democratic Party and vote for it im a bear to get you dont know where that vote is from a standard socialist or a corporate is it gives lost in the sauce example i ran for governor of new york in 2014 going on 5 percent of the. Look cuomo the adopted 3 key demands of marking in benghazi want to compete for adults now is a ban on fracking 15 our minimum wage indeed family leap so there is little left when the left goes into the Democratic Party loses its independent voice and identity as an alternative just finally you mentioned cuomo the new york of course under a state of emergency because of coronavirus you do at least agree presumably with sanders that any possible corona virus vaccine should we made available free to all americans oh absolutely i mean just country has blown their response to group virus and are true. Worse than any other country we dont have to guess were not getting respirators to people we dont have that sufficient care to sillies any 7000000 people who are uninsured or under insured indeed only want to go to the doctor because the one constant to much trouble dissolves happy talk to stock market in a backyard its on were in a real serious situation youre now your organs thank you well is it even possible to distribute a free vaccine in a country like the us arguably choked by big pharmaceutical multinationals joining me now via skype from San Francisco is computational immuno engineer and c. E. O. Of distributed bio Jacob Glanville who also features in the netflix docu series pandemic jake thanks for coming on to what is the latest on the search for the vaccine reports here are saying that the British Government favors a herd immunity response to let the virus run through the population a little would you think of a yeah so the reason theyre saying that is that there is currently no effective medicine and so theyre just preparing for the inevitable that large numbers of people will get infected. If you can slow down the rate of new infections thats better than having them had all at once because if they had all at once then you overrun your hospital i see use and you know a problem people dying in the waiting rooms with respect to where the medicines are there may be some good news in april where we have a series of antivirals that didnt work. Well against people up but they may work well here and there some h. I. B. Antivirals in an anti malarial so any success on any one of those fronts gives us a working medicine the vaccine work is going to take much longer thats going to be 12 realistically more like 18 months before theres a back Seat Available its got some hurdles weve had previous cases of vaccines against kind of irises that have backfired in animals and made the animals more susceptible through something called not a body dependent enhancement and in general those studies just take a long time because when you give someone a vaccine you have to give them a couple boosts and you have to wait 6 or more weeks for them to have good protective immunity that means you cant give it to patients because by the time the vaccine would do any good theyd either be cured or debt now the 3rd category are monoclonal therapeutics and thats what i am engineering here distributed by oh thats sort of skipping the middleman of a vaccine in producing the anybody directly so you can give that to a patient and it can be effective within 20 minutes thats what were working on in there some other groups also doing the same that would still be out into or at the earliest september that would be widely available but thats faster than the vaccines that some you know believe it but i understand that your desire for excess of all vaccines which obviously predates the Coronavirus Vaccine has arguably prevented you from getting funding why would that be. I dont think its prevented me from getting i would say i could have received funding ive been avoiding it because i want to work on. Broad spectrum vaccines and i want to finish the job to ensure that the whole world gets access to them so that. It makes me a little leery of working with public money or with Venture Capital because theyre not going to run counter to their goals of the largest return on the stand the u. S. Military have a meet in touch with you about your research on coronavirus thats right weve been talking with darpa biden recently u. S. Ammar just reached out we have a program where were trying to short circuit a lot of the research that goes into trying to rush to make a new medicine against kobe 1000 so what weve done is gone back to these and old anti stars anybodies from 2000 to nearly 20 years ago theyve been very well studied but they point at sars not of in 1900 we have a while why have they been so slow arguably to get in touch with i think what happens is that when theres an outbreak like this the larger organizations have essentially lobbyists who can fly over there right away sit down and be like i give us the money right away where my attitude was i would rather walk softly but carry a big stick so i Just Launched my engineering programs i knew i could produce molecules faster and i figured that would be the right time to reach out so in this case i got a little lucky when they reached out to us because they heard about the programs if there are a preventable diseases like malaria still killing so many people around the world obviously mainstream Corporate Media a much more interested in coronavirus because its affecting the developed world why do you feel that the global south and the developing nations of this world are so important in the battle with viruses of this kind. Yes so you know the problem isnt that you dont have enough money for there to be a good working market for some of these supposedly neglected tropical diseases the issue is just that theres more money in cancer or right now more attention for 17 so part of my intention of our company and our mission is to go after making therapeutics against neglected tropical diseases as well as large scale diseases that affect everyone and just making the Company Small enough that we can become profitable so the Big Companies dont want to work on things like snakebite or they wont work as much on undoing it because the markets arent as big as something they could spend their money else on elsewhere and they have to only pay for blockbusters because if you have 30000 employees then you have to survive on a metabolism of blockbusters in the us your company cant make it way but if thats so why is it do you think in fact we have the chief scientific officer of g s k one of the Biggest Pharmaceutical Companies in the world and why is it the Big Pharmaceutical Companies are being approached by governments and not to small Smaller Companies is that a mistake being made by governments as they pour funding into the Big Pharmaceutical Companies yeah i think sometimes you know you talk to the you know so its sort of like lobbying in general and yeah i would advise them to distribute those resources to the Big Companies because theyre professionals at best but theres a reason the Big Companies go in and buy up Small Companies once they build new medicines and that is that innovation happens more easily in smaller biotechs in a dozen the risk adverse large scale portfolios of make a pharmaceutical i think theres sort of a theres a fallacy of economy of scale in pharmaceutical companies you know all these groups get excited they start to get 100000 employees to just the idea oh if we had a 10 times more people we could produce 10 times more jobs and that is just never proven to be true i think when you actually run induced into institutional inefficiencies brought prosy in then too much isolation of the engineering from the the governance so in general it has been the case that large farm is go in and wait for innovation happens by a tax on it by those biotechs once they reach a certain my. But maturation now i know you mentioned that the malarial zombie hiv these different type of treatments being experimented with why do you think critical to future pandemics in terms of treatment will be the animal human transmission and research into into that dynamic well thats where the new dynamics come from so. It is easy which is already circling and humans will eventually develop that herd immunity you mentioned where people have had some exposure to it previously and then also the longer it is hes been around more likely will have established medicines for it so the really scary pandemics are often coming out of other species this is a very new looking virus a pathogen that we havent experienced before and so no one really has existing adaptive immune protection that happens here with the new Novel Coronavirus but it also happens when theres a pandemic influenza where those are actually coming from pigs or birds and theyve been shuffled up there genetically with parts of the virus that can infect humans and so its a flu which sounds familiar but its actually flu from another species which means not us are prepared to respond to take the health and here. Its revenue off of the brick making a killing for grown a virus and its crisis capitalism while more and more quarantine nato leaders paving the way for big profits from big pharma all the small coming up about to have going underground. The world is struggling in different ways to cope with the kobe die 900. 00 endemic and governments are taking the heat for their actions inactions for the coronavirus be a referendum on globalization. You are no offense b. You no longer a young woman in fact you are one of the last living survivors of the nazi yeah. Im aware of it. All you like. You can never forget america now auschwitz was really like to be inhaled because you would never believe it was a human can go to as a copy of a course for 30 years and know if he could prevent it all seems so locked off by your side. When i get out on the farm saw you i want to take my son to their next meal so he can listen and hopefully bless god heard screams. Welcome back in part one we have for me meteorologists with the Vaccine Companies glanville who suggested that even if Big Pharmaceutical Companies were willing to produce a vaccine they might not be able to do so quickly enough to make a difference so why a countries like the us and the u. K. Paying them so much money and it didnt. The director of global justice now enjoys we know that thanks for coming back on next year when the United States why should we not expect the u. S. Health care system such as as it is to respond well to the coronavirus well its one of the most Market DrivenHealth Care Systems in the whole world i mean it it is more expensive than any other Health Care System in the developed world and it produces the least good health outputs so you have things you know you have Human Development indicators the worse in the United States anywhere else in the world because its a completely business dominated Market Driven system i mean corporate big corporations prey all on peoples illnesses and whether you get treatment or not depends on how much money is going to your pocket and however bad it is in the United States the near liberal countries across the world face similar dilemma when it comes to corrode the virus it does not affect the 99 percent the same way as it affects the boy one percent of the world yeah i think thats an important point because people think Global Pandemic thats going to affect all of us is a kind of great leveler you know it could affect any one of us and of course to some degree it could but its not the same likelihood that its going to affect somebody who can afford able to work from home doesnt have a public facing job has good rates of sick pay and in the United States like you say you can afford to go and see a doctor and get a test i mean the problem is our country now as huge numbers of people on 0 hour contracts without proper right without proper sick pay that too scared to even admit if theyre feeling ill let alone be able to go and get the test and take the time off if they need to nothing in the budget that adequately addresses that here in britain no adequately no absolutely not absolutely not i mean i mean that that there are a whole groups of people who essentially can even