Wishes and diktats from washington and even when that policy has visibly failed for example and ukraine or in syria or and in other places that they are committed you know for example nordstrom to were still trying to sabotage that even though its quite clear to me that that attempt has and has failed that they cannot let go of this notion that that other powers do not have to ask a mother may i every time they want to do something that is in their National Interest and this is something that the people in charge of these tablets been watching just cannot admit to themselves you know brian you know Francis Fukuyama comes to mind you know the the end of history in the last man and that is really what buttresses is going to tear a page from what went. Is that they cant imagine a world differently but it mean if you think historically well this is what the trends are countries go up countries go down countries make accommodations and some countries go to war this is cities trap for example but it seems to me that the washington establishment of Foreign Policy blom theyre in a state of stay cis is a they cant imagine the world changing beyond their own expectations and maybe even interest go ahead right. Indeed i mean we saw the white paper that was leaked to the New York Times shortly after the collapse of the soviet union Paul Wolfowitz was its real author but that was in fact the de facto sort of new doctrine for world dominance presented by the United States after the collapse of the soviet union what that white paper made clear was that the u. S. Wasnt going to have a peace dividend that because the cold war was over because the warsaw pact had had disintegrated that then nato could be disarmed in the u. S. Could use all of the money spent on militarism and war to help human beings like pay for health care or Affordable Housing indeed what the white paper established was that the u. S. Must now seek to carry out unit polar dominance over all other potential rivals in the world and the and the letter says very clearly we will allow no potential rival d to challenge us dominance and thats been the operational principle for the last 27 years but in fact its come apart its come apart because the u. S. Got bogged down in the wars in the middle east while china came up it got bogged down in the wars in the middle east while russia got back on its feet and so these 2 other Major Centers of power china and russia big enough big enough economies and Strong Enough militaries and large enough population wise of those 2 countries have come up now both russia and china said look lets make this when when our growth our development doesnt have to be your include the American Government doesnt see it that way you know thats such a fascinating point you know because james with rising powers they could potentially in a way we have to stress the word potentially be a threat to the unit polar moment i mean would it be kind of maybe a better idea to engage them instead of you know turning them into hostile rivals and thats exactly what. We have seen happen. So a rising power by definition is a threat again that is a historical when you could look at a number of times through history where rising powers you have to accommodate the International System why because it works for everybody you this what we have now its in washington is having the very idea of when when is antithetical to their head to monic demands go ahead james exactly right and i think as as as brian pointed out of this idea that somehow our dominance was itself the goal not even necessarily what that gets us as a country how does it make our people safer or more prosperous and if you compared to the alternatives in history for example if you look at the the long piece from 815 to 914 where britain was the leading power but it also understood the other powers france germany russia had legitimate aspirations on the world stage and there was a balance among the powers were not willing to accommodate that even though we are here in the western hemisphere were by nature the most secure of the great powers we could accommodate the russians and the chinese understanding that they have legitimate interests and legitimate sphere of influence we would still be the leading power the us and much the way that britain was during the 19th century but thats not good enough we have to have absolute dominance we have to deny legitimacy to those other powers and and ironically we didnt even do that during the 1st cold war with the silver union we were actually much more respectful of the soviet union and its interests even though there were some real ideological differences in those days it wasnt illegitimate for example to have neutral powers i mean neutral countries like austria sweden finland that were buffers between the 2 blocs we dont we dont accept that anymore we have to have our writ go right up to the borders and territorial waters of russia and china not to mention iran or venezuela other countries that we simply want to destroy. So i dont think these people have a sense of history and how a balance of interests can be beneficial to our own country exactly you know you know brian on top of it you know this mantra to get rid of arms control which is terrifying in itself we all remember the cold war and i think we all remember the good reason to have arms control i mean this is willfully creating instability in the International System its willfully being done because this is what kept the peace and thats what these agreements were people invested in major powers invested in them to make them work now we have this the opposite we dont even want to talk about arms control now i mean this is truly dangerous for the world system go ahead brian. Indeed you had the Nuclear Test Ban treaty of 1963 that prohibited the atmospheric testing of Nuclear Weapons that was something that was very good we had the 1967 outer space treaty we had the salt treaty then the start treaty start one we had the Ballistic Missile treaty the antiBallistic Missile treaty all of those treaties all of them are gone with the exception of the start treaty which is going to expire in 2021. Thats going to expire and theres no negotiations right now as of yet underway there starting to be some talk about negotiations but bush got rid of the antiBallistic Missile treaty that was in 20022003 putin says that was the beginning of the modern era of the break up of the cold war architecture for Arms Treaties now trying just got rid of the i. N. F. The intermediate Nuclear Range treaty and one of these guys is clearly. Open open skies as well open skies and nato 2 weeks ago declared that the outer space is their new fire warfare i didnt mean in contrast to the outer space treaty where the major powers said no were not going to fight wars in outer space now thats a war fighting domain so the reason for it the real and youre talking about big picture peter the real reason is the u. S. Now believes now believes that it can actually gain military supremacy and thus dominance in these different warfighting domains and thats what the u. S. Had basically been forced to abandon during the cold war once the soviet union achieved a basic parity with the United States that that idea of mutually assured destruction thats gone now now its full spectrum dominance and military supremacy as the operational doctrine of the pentagon this sets the stage for global war and the military doctrine of the pentagon recently revamped says were getting ready for a global war with russia and china thats insanity you know james you know we had over the last few weeks we had the afghan papers released and it was a home reaction from the Corporate Media i mean it wasnt even mentioned actually from what i could see i mean one huge blunder and all 3 of us and many of our viewers knew it all along that we were being lied to so they want to take they want to militarize space and they can even do an operation like that at the at a huge cost in every. Single way and they will end and they wont learn from their mistakes no learning curve one minute before we go to the break go ahead james. Well you know that you know we talk a lot about the military Industrial Complex but obviously its much broader that i includes finance includes i. T. Many other things but the fact is theres just a huge establishment of power that encompasses a lot of industry a lot of the both the political the legislative and executive branches of government there are an awful lot of people with very for rice balls over the established policy that way it is and who cares if its a failure those people are doing quite well for themselves yeah well thats very interesting im glad you mention that because no one is ever held accountable i mean we can go through this russia gate hoax you know and people that were charged with process violations go get it go to prison and people they bring into the countries like afghanistan in iraq to destruction are never held to account they just move to another thing tank with more air conditioning thats my opinion our gentlemen were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on a multipolar world state. To stand up as a nation subject to us and. I think. For. 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Welcome back to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing a multipolar world. Ok lets go back to brian in washington and i think the real problem here is i was a trained historian and i love history and i still do it study history to this day the big problem we face here and understanding and dealing with grappling with the multipolar world which we do have in respect of the denial of the blob and the media is that its american exceptionalism is the biggest problem here because american exceptionalism automatically delegitimizes any kind of challenge ok ill keep it very neutral ok because if you look at Great Britain i mean the at one point it covered one 4th of the worlds population and land ok and it for the most part gracefully more moral less relinquish that because it was in its interests to do that but it didnt have this exceptionalism in the way it does in the United States is that thats really the biggest barrier its more of a psychological barrier and thats because of exceptionalism theyre blinded to geo political facts and i want to talk about actually a multipolar world is best for everyone at the end of the big go ahead brian. Certainly we what we have in the United States i would say is the toxic entered tangling of this kind of american exceptionalism ideology which has basically the United States has the right to interfere in every country interfere in every region use military power to get its way thats kind of an ideological premise that theres a sort of righteousness a divine mandate to do just that and at the same time as jim was mentioning in the 1st segment the a. B. C. s of the whole project is making lots of money for the people who are making weapons and who have created this ad of this and its not just the war manufacturers its wall street banks its corporate tycoons its hedge funds i mean theyre all of their feeding at the public trough they have to constantly create enemies of the United States has as weve also said in the 1st segment an ocean to the east an ocean to the west its protected the last time the country was invaded was the war of 1812 and yet here we are 207 years later with a 1000 military bases around the world a military budget thats more than a trillion the house of representatives which is dominated by the democrats the socalled resistance just passed the n. D. A. A with the military budget greater than what trump asked for and greater than what the pentagon asked for i mean this is a society that saturated with militarism because it is Good Business and the politicians know that and they dont defy it and thats this interchangeably ideology and the business of war mixing so that the United States reinforces the notion that it must use military power above all else to ensure that its a unit polar world where they have full Spectrum Global dominance thats a recipe for disaster but brian let me if i can stay with you i mean would if you ever imagined it would be the left liberals that would be the champions of cold war 2. 0 i mean because you can throw in the well i think they give an ideological. Respectability to it that is irrational go ahead finish up go ahead its what makes this even more dangerous than the cold d war because at least the liberals were demanding band of peace with the soviet union lets not have world war 3 now you have the liberals socalled liberals maybe that word has no meaning then you will agree liberals agree have become part and part and parcel of the of the military Industrial Complex you know james you know it is that theres a lot of time i wish i had a good laugh i guess it was about 2 months ago the New York Times in an editorial kind of no trump maybe you should have better relations with russia which was quite laughable coming from the old gray lady after all this russia gate ukraine gate nonsense here my point is here is that you know china and russia now one of the great boogie men ok state still mostly russia because thats what they in the they like to peddle that ok and theres a lot and theres a lot of people that have business interests in china and theyre a little worried about that but none the less here but is china in russia truly a threat to the washington consensus i would argue not its their hostility towards russia and china that motivates them ok its not aggression they certainly dont want to export any ideology for sure and particularly in china they just want to get rich thats what their primary interest in go ahead james yeah i think that well it depends how you define threat if were going to end a threat to us here in our own country that some kind of aggression is going to be directed against us no of course theyre not a threat if you mean threat to global domination yes i guess by definition any country that doesnt want to be dominated is a threat to their program im glad that you and brian mentioned this idea of the left having been against the cold war backward i guess well wonder where russia was run by a godless communists but now that theyre not in theyre building 3 churches a day and i guess the left hates them all the more its you have a very odd paradox that. Seems to be this imperative now from the left for this you know to the soviet union had an ideology of peace progress and socialism weve got one democracy human rights and free markets and will shove it down your throats with because ancient and bombs if you dont want it you know this kind of messianic vision a messianic world and you know what it comes to the question of x. Well it is i mean the idea we are the savior of the world that we add it is and its when we talk about exceptionalism i dont think we realize how deeply unamerican this is i mean you look at George Washingtons ad admonition against having these these per these permanent antipathies or attachments to Foreign Countries or John Quincy Adams saying dont go abroad searching for monsters roy we want to stay out of the politics of europe suddenly now were were supposed to remake the entire globe but our old image where is this coming from its not from a traditional notion of american identity its something weve really seen only in the last few decades or you know where everybody talks about neo conservatives Paul Wolfowitz was what then should i say i think of bob kagan and bill kristol and their piece toward neo reagan i Foreign Policy in 1906 where they also talk about this this program for a global domination i think this is deeply unamerican. Madeleine albright and we see farther because we stand taller which is ridiculous ok brian i guess what but you know tells me and most of our viewers is that we have a track record which is go from the end of the cold war ok thats a good benchmark where does it work out i just dont see it its one catastrophic failure after another but they keep pushing this ideology i mean theres no learning curve here and that i think thats what really frustrates me they want to go on one adventure after another and of course you know every 6 months or so we have you know irans irans getting you know the threat to the biggest global threat in the world an exporter of terrorism these are all sound bites all of the time and they just keep get repeated over and over again instead of as i started this program watching how the world truly is changing go ahead. Well i th