So recent weeks each. Promising to those who cant afford isolation but of tech bubble as they call it no dark future. You i didnt take in your actually about to mend their own brink you go medically examined you get them digitally and show one and so on. Dont do that isolation but you know what these letters are for get. That lundell s. Somebody has to be out there to prepare a package of food and so on you mentioned nurses and or death and so on and i think my american matches friend david. Wrote a very good but they dont teach how we became aware of this new working class not there. Who work in factories but all those who take care of our daily lives even if we are isolate that cost because their School Function to get it ready for School Franklin somebody gets them and they electricity walk d all day care takers they are those with whom we have to get to come and meet became aware of the important. Get they nurses and so on what can class and although we are all celebrating them good day until one and so on we nonetheless become aware of. How class struggle explode you know case you know what im trying to state really not in an m. R. I. Any daintily political moment. We are good at the last think were not an economic back old future i mean defused a real lobby out there a big new eat a new what are we thats to be in the end and this is despite of course the elites telling us no were all coming together were all one society i should say Jeremy Corbyn the former a British Labor party leader and a host of m. P. s have called what Boris Johnsons government is doing in their thinly veiled class war but on in the book you actually say that sometimes you catch yourself wishing to contract the virus what what is the nature of the barbarism in in your nightmares as you watch governments give their press conferences there will be one today here in london and of course donald trump perhaps at the white house no i did exactly right that of course i dont mean really catching the virus because im in an easterly military group im 7th you out i hear that you beat this i think some smaller but nonetheless problems and need to be elevate that lock there forever so no what im just saying is that you know when the outbreak began. We were watching eat like a holy book a movie about contagion outbreak. 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To school do almost a kind of philosophical reflect imagine each of us as you say some of the antidepressant companies of course are involved in the vaccine apparently if one believes what the media are telling us he said he is trying to get to that side of capital you completely read that United Kingdom and United States. Dont want want private property to play out over here because the only if because think for me its some kind of a maybe look at something rich and a. B. H. That meant so on if something really discovered a bit really works be true absolutely be broken be available to everyone it grew to thats actually been an issue in the World Health OrganizationVirtual Meeting im going to ask you though about this new liberal individual ism in a time of coronavirus because you say in the book that people are mistakenly emphasizing personal responsibility they blaming us in there really arent responsible but you know what somebody said barry well when. When. Boys danced on replace the more. They approach we dont all talk i was 6 daycare or whatever stand at stay alert. Basic message of the east. So if you get ill its your fault you know no bikies bit weak moment state we need now is grow state. We should be interested our viewers thats right i am deeply skeptical of doug electric left. All right being clear that young critics who see the fact that we bill be. Where we are we through our phones and so on should we dont. Spread the even ask your whole bit of water in your radicals that somebody greets you back that and so on and because they. Know mike from what i know i dont know how to keep not a country but about States Israel and United States let me know that n. S. A. Collaborated with google would be great book they are already doing kate all of our emails i fail a bit sort of aliens but out with all our own cause im a liberal and so on and im. Wide now on one particular moment we did yesterday to keep our movement where it least immense sort of a list about our sort of a nonstop what are you lets hope for a book goughs i worry much more all of my emails scone post and show on available and i dont see any b. P. He can eat or to act in the state lotion where im moving and you indeed praise one of the people that facilitated our understanding of that julian a songes in jail here in aa then my other point yet where they state. We need some kind of communism i must clarify i am not talking about all of the needs in the work we identify to spend yet contrary communism and change something randy. If i can think of people like maybe he can be very pretty. Decent if burleigh to work thanks a lot for wrote and i wrote him. On a virus epidemic just at the last rehearsal for future crises i did it with a me. Global warming will i did not write this accursed until my mentor what we should get at the end to do. You cannot leave it to the market date or society has its some sense into being much more strong even if the irish well keep a little. Big problem. And so on the weak. And the number of unemployed exploding and here we cannot leave it the market deep motif of Economic Development the basic mode got to be still need some right but. Cannot be. Capitalised wealthy theyre not absolute i hope we all agree urgencies message 8 the president cant get not just around a bias but other including many other problems including anchor breakdowns and so on beat to get healthy so. Keep. The good and the basics so should. Functions of our society to fly off walk out of electricity Garbage Disposal and of course internet Digital Space these cannot be let to the market theyre what i think if all of these domains would have been more not polite by some combination of mega private companies and state security agencies. A big danger that i keep and you know im of state monopoly. Where they built the delete control last dish grower about and here i mentioned that if i bought some community. And. I quote that here by commies in simply. Markets well known between even. In a communist society. Explosive according to. Meet. The stripper. And when you say im your top young i dont even know what you western governments are. Do you try to get its much more but you want them to keep do young some dollars sort of every player so get church a corking dollars i dont know how well hes done so much theyre not sure what i really and so one subject ill stop you then more from the legendary philosopher after this short break. You are no offense but you no longer a young woman are in fact one of the last living survivors of the nazi else past the im aware of it. Relieves redact all your life. And you can never forget america now auschwitz was really like to be in hell so you would never believe it but if you meant to go to as a copy of a course for 30 years and know if he could prevent it all seems a lot tougher by the time you make it back when i get out i want to find somebody younger who take my son to their next door so he can piss in hopefully bless my heart heard screams. The world is driven by dreamers shaped by stone personal those with. No dares thinks. We dare to ask. Anyone else to show seemed wrong all right old quotes just dont call. Me the old yet to shape out just they become educated and in game training equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart when you choose to look for common ground. You cannot be both with me yet you look. Welcome back im still here with one of the worlds most famous philosopher savages half of the people in this country are now state paved here in britain do you think that i lead to understand some of what youre saying above i said hope is they didnt mean to be just a nod to. Their whole east oh ok we have to make these compromises for a year or maybe here and there and then. Return to the capital east. When the u. N. Secretary general says there should be a coronavirus world cease fire that hasnt happened israel has been bombing syria and as you say not only did he not only did it all around debt the most depressed think the employer could only let alone but we dont really think United Nations countries veto anything i think this will eat their meaning the global fire out of. But what is happening there are some signs recurring this direct point indeed correctly even our feet. Now theyre in shock thats our middle of africa that now did he even water between ice sheets and. All the stops and struggles and explode because their leader is or think oh now everybody to go on a ride which show not attract too much attention. But i dont have a hook in the book you talk about the markets panicking and the way the media reports this previously when weve had a big depression in capitalism obviously we had wars do you not think wars may be the solution rather than. Huge struggles i dont. Know look i make it very clear. What i hoped for some basic Community Back last i did i mean you investor meant the sun mount your mobilized program and i even included. That i think to mobilize people for example that its kind of that you dont care if you drill immigrants on whom your count grew to become extinct i think that they could cripple that right maybe to mobilize young people who are now unemployed and so on and so on but. These what you are saying is one option. One looks nice the new digital i got to tell you where at least the wealthy elite will eat in their own bubble in their own world with out site. Safe and so one and so on and egypt will control it by the state will explode another version and i keep up with you believe the of the. Countries in the United States are not going to learn to tune into a kind of didnt they great of a shadow i believe space and the core of some spiritual are still open in other states just from the mentalist groups will take over and they will begin to claim thought interest in children and so on its quite possible to rebuild but you can ask for some kind of a new body from you remember you are probably go young mostly crap up with out of some 34 years ago like dos or log on so im read the elite living in that in a kind of a bubble. And blue people who are dying in the heat are out there isnt this local ready for example new zealand and australia are plenty it appears they are really controlling the virus should be the create an Australia New Zealand and leave out now i couldnt help it down but nonetheless we need. Not to think in the very strong out there would be isolate ourselves its crucial moment they can be influenced close. And agricultural or. Otherwise there will be chaos that it will be. Better will be global disturbances and it will be a night well the fight for intellectual Property Rights of of vaccines is already beginning begun some a saying you also say in the book though that we should be weary of a spiritualist new age types who say that this lockdown should give us time to examine ourselves rather than thats what we should watch of the elite i claim you know if. The buddhist think we should think about when we are that basic not even marxist but i left it. For some of us to be a real people safe isolate that in a lockdown situation plus think about all those who have to remain out there working so that we can be isolated dont forget. If anything in the south of italy or even after the guy left in america. Dr stroke you know we all the horror of the virus that out of context of millions of people. Who are more afraid of other thing than the virus you go. Viral and so on and so on well perhaps one of the most complicated parts of the book arguably is about a cat going off the precipice of a cliff do you think that there are powers that be that are beginning to understand their lack of power amidst this coronavirus getting out you touch a very important its very important what youre set now because people just have to describe the cat describe you have guessed you know a classical scene from the tombs rather again at a protest piece and then again to go on walking and although there is only air beneath it but we need to look down and notice that there is nothing beneath its feet only then it falls now or i believe that many of our states are still in this phrase of denial being continue to function because they didnt really look at though they had not yet aware of or big full extent of the crisis because by we have now. In western European Countries accession we think to return to normal stories yet they will return to normal but its not clear what kind of norm and so on and so on and i should link this metaphor to another one which i think now. We can clearly see that it keeps on mark justified and i used it you know today publish my text on coronavirus is that kill bill. You know that its especially the. Strike with 5 fingers around your heart where if you continue to feed him ugly like nothing you can dog go on you can start walking your garbage bag we are now well i think. We can shatter this i think. As long as we can lock it down we can go on but at some point we have to start moving and thats the difficult moment of product of the old cut world capitalist system will not be able to eat even many in like capitalists and meat but they think usually more in cane as you know him and steak investment and so on and youre warm and i think its a little bit more i think that really market no longer allowed to be the dominating principle of our social life. We need other not just strong state but also i dont know how it is in our shop or in england my friend italia to spain but i still are telling me the extraordinarily early of a local community. We can organize its almost like they have the. Committee for proof and of course its not the same the idea and people dead or in a certain local community and say ok lets organize ourselves there or they need to they need company and so on and so on so we dont need just strong efficient state we can violate market principles we need to take collaborating with the local community and we need state collaborating gloom click coordinate its a big other state and there are a likeness is given in the book you say china in some aspects is our future i dont i d. L. s kind of that much youre one of us no indeed yes but can i just can i just finish line which dont like to hear these but remember that dont touch of try not. Also an excellent Success Story cone kong and taiwan ok so its more important some kind of a conflict only collective spirit when people trust the state and so on we dont have to become like tried not you dont only attack china you attacked not to be uprooted and russia severely in this book i just want to finish though since the World Health Organization i dont know what the stepanek that i just want that is why the sudden late that explosion you know i know its not the same logic as in kink up war in war 1st there is also a Success Story in containing about interest and then but and then it exploded i dont understand the situation in that i shot. My main target. There are was an hour and so on this is the start of the dangerous war criminals they are constantly undermining their own people or didnt someone from i mean the administrator steve renouf nobody really i dont know in water we try that one but we invite the ambassadors from those countries on the program to try and refute that of course the Brazilian Foreign Ministry immediately slammed your work on coronavirus im going to just finally and if you briefly tell me about what you mean about the World Health Organization being a kind of template that may be useful in the future to be able to. Fend off i look im tired of in trying to hustle or will you listen to me just repeating somebody who last copy to leave who is bill gates no. You cannot approach coronavirus. Within the cordon h o a frame of the of a nation state but acts. Probably this work only for a set of period of time so what is absolutely necessary is god of the need in. Order to explain going down. Controlling the spread and. The global lebed but understand whats more universally know we need at least some and a man and a man who are global some kind of a bait heap or the nation without deeds i fear that we will effectively enter you barbara. Thank you and im going. Thanks ready now thats it for the show will be back on saturday 22 years to the days of the people of Northern Ireland voted yes to the good friday agreement to break to pa