Real dollars are getting poorer than are stand that. Because they grab onto the life preserver of the current law and. Donald trump like all demagogues engages in the permanent lie the permanent lies different from the false hoods and half truths uttered by politicians such as bill Clinton George w. Bush and barack obama the common political lie these politicians employ was not designed to cancel out reality it was a form of manipulation clinton when he signed into law the north American Free trade agreement promised nafta means jobs american jobs and good pain american jobs george w. Bush justify the invasion of iraq because Saddam Hussein supposedly possessed weapons of mass destruction. But clinton did not continue to pretend that nafta was beneficial to the working class when reality proved otherwise bush did not pretend that iraq had weapons of mass destruction once none were found the permanent lie however is not circumscribed by reality it is perpetuated even in the face of overwhelming evidence that discredits it it is irrational the iron refusal by those who engage in the permanent lie to acknowledge reality no matter how transparent reality becomes creates a collective psychosis as Hannah Arendt wrote the result of a consistent and total substitution of lies for factual truth is not that the lie will now be accepted as truth and truth be defamed as a lot but that the sense by which we are taking our bearings in the real world and the category of truth versus false hood is among the mental means to this end is being destroyed joining me to discuss the nature of the permanent linage danger to democracy is mark green the former new York City Consumer Affairs commissioner and new york city public advocate who with ralph nader wrote fake president decoding trumps gaslighting corruption and general bo crap when it substitute public crap for the word you wrote mark so are you quite interesting lee lay out the mechanics of the permanent light the beginning of the book the you know how that permanent live works and i kind of just want to go through them lets start with what you call the black swan fallacy or cherry picking this phenomenon of youre right of spotting a black swan and then implying that all swans are black whats this about but we have massive evidence against you. You have to search for one example so tribes lied 800000. 00 plus times according the Washington Post and henri is the do it say oh once a bill clinton once barack obama this is true said there were 57. 00 states so who are you to tell me that i dont tell the truth now obama said that late in the Campaign Trip he knows there arent 57. 00 states and obama as a standard politician he may. Exaggerate to make his point but he doesnt as you say have a permanent law and thats the crux of his candidacy in recent or his presidency and thats a very good phrase thank you for it will steal it as we well its sort of like fate president. That is. He is president according to the 787. 00 connecticut compromise which overweighted. The slave Southern States in the electoral vote and here we are 2 or 4 years later he loses the popular vote becomes president but hes fake in that he cant tell the truth he cant do the job i mean obvious to console people during a pandemic its to fuck them its like if you ask me to high jump 8 feet. I can high jump 3 feet i just couldnt do it he cant do it because its own grain that he is a. Selfcentered narcissistic malicious guy that everything goes through that prism. So chris you dont know each other well enough but youre. Scared to be on with you some of the smartest nater i usually dont do that but im making an exception for you. So much as to me are you the sky is blue you may look at and see the sky is blue or red we want empirical reinforcement he doesnt care all in tears about his being in the david blaine. Master hypnotist to about 25 percent of americans or the french 4th as an estimate thats true of all western Society People who. Are racist are ignorant. Believe or else slavery was good for the black people and theres no there irredeemable another 20 percent did vote for him traditional republican so if he can convince them that black is white or white is black according to how they are paid to quote Jonathan Swift hes got that so he doesnt care about those things and him but you or me doesnt terrible reality so he will repeat and repeat a permanent law i as gerbils knew so well as mussolini knew so well a permanent base. To people who are 5 2nd voters oh yeah that sounds good and then they go back to what theyre doing and they both him to overwhelm their love of family. Or their love of truth because they believe trump even though the errors dirty or the warner is dirty youre. The rich are getting ethically richer while they in real dollars are getting poorer they dont understand that. Because they grab onto the life preserver of the current law said you know the power of the permanent why is that its emotionally peeling which is why people who engage in the permanent life as trump does will frequently contradict themselves often within a 24 hour period i want to just keep going through your kind of anatomy of the permanent why assertions and adjectives. Explain that idea well her press secretary does this all the time instead of evidence like oh you say that voting by mail is inherently fraudulent it could be fraudulent nothing is perfect we drive cars and we know theres a point 001 percent chance will die about whats your basis for that and cian truck has no evidence so they say its well know that its a total fraud. Voters in our democracy really dont and so trump keeps saying. That our performance has been great in the pandemic and then hell find oh look there was once a scenario out of a british epidemiologist that said if i dont do anything theyll be 2200000 people gonna and lets say thats true so thats the black sheep you take one example you exaggerate it you then selfproclaimed muhammad ali was the greatest a trump says im the greatest im a success im a Great Success and isnt it easier to attach a fabulous adjective to your own what youre saying. That having to do is called scholarship you know an article footnotes and a lot of people will believe the hajj to rather than the fact you talk about Performance Art as part of this permanent why you have that great quote by Ronald Reagan if you can fake sincerity youve got it make talk about the nature of Performance Artists in a little to the permanent why well if its hard to know who the real donald trump is you know hey i know him personally pretty well ira for mayor of new york city at a time when i was favored to win so he gave me money not because he loves me hes a transactional guy and he now has adopted a pretty of course he adopted reagan a doc that persona as an actor we get that he adopt their persona as a tough boss in the apprentice oh we get that now when hes in public his job. His body language hes head nodding nodding his face and sorry black people what do they have to lose his voice goes up its a performance men to dupe the credulous and i find myself sometimes when he says something i go oh rick bill and then i remember owen said mark you who cowrote a fake president with routh nick youre a sucker for an instant we all go for a good visual sincerity if you can feel the sincerity youve got it may and so are couldnt tell you when he says the 20th time. I wrote a law that gave our military big pay increases now 20. 00 times the Washington Post and. Mr dale of the toronto star have said its a law ringback obama wrote and signed a law that gave the military pay increases so when he says that the 20th time and to being told its a law. Is he insane is he pathological is he convinced himself or is he saying what do i care what this guy reporter says i got a mike thats a 1000000 times better im just going to say it so hes performing for us. And it convinces a lot of people thanks well stop there and well come back after the break with mark green the author of fake president with ralph nader. Right there. Somewhere where i divided could be in this house right now. Its hard to convince the he owes me. To a minimum wage he can be recruited by a gay itself drugs and make hundreds of dollars a day. Selling drove his inner dick so when a person is still thrilled puts in here. Today hell have to know how to transfer it into the flying to save job doesnt clueless it out lifestyle is going to fail. They cant find housing somewhere else because they have a criminal record. They care about jobs because of a criminal record so they dont have the money for that community anyway. They. Want black people to be equal they might want one black or they want one black famous person they want one black abyss and one black. Join me every thursday on the alec simon show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back to on contact we continue our discussion of fake president with author mark green so lets move on to the next category of the permanent why which you call the him so machine. This is a daily phenomenon for trump what is its role in the permanent lie well he he has a few approaches we had in your book 21 tricks like a magician has a trick so you can spot when hes doing it and they all add up to law i dunno i. Blame him for rate and like im as good as tiger woods basketball is a greater athlete but so hes great at golf obviously but it doesnt transfer trump is a genius at instantly the plot so hes up at a press conference answering questions and whatever anybody says he has the skill i mean done it thousands of times whether its real or not doesnt matter to immediately that didnt happen oh thats not true oh blame carter oh this palosi is mentally unstable the near times in it an aggregation of paulis and there are. 500 people hes personally denounced with the megaphone of course of the white house because of our habit and its really creating a problem when a president says something. And that todays a day of infamy or. Voting by mail is fraudulent whether its true or not its news because it comes out of his mouth and so. Its hard to get around that because of his. Repetitive untruth. Oh my 2nd you would also insult you would have to let the insults forgive me so. There lets suppose he tweeted mark renas overrate it could be true could not be true who cares. When he doesnt like joe in. An inside joke on a coffee joe in the morning on m s n b c. Morning morning when he says that mika and joe on morning joe on m. S. N. B. C. Not theyre over rated theyre pretty theyre not pretty but he says implies joe committed murder decades ago of a young woman in his office with a remake of had an affair now if i said donald trump is a. Polygamist then a pervert who does men would be outraged i would have as much credibility 2nd and i would be chased out of the Public Square for our slender he does that all the time in effect he crossed the law cross the line he crosses every line we wake up in the morning scrubs to lunch and when he said of morning joe that he had some people say commits murder and. Liz cheney and mitt romney. Said youve crossed the line cut it out. And well see since he ordered his Performance Art is never apologize. Which is odd who has his perfect. But it need never apologize you dont learn so he makes a mistake who doesnt. Early on he should of. Had earlier testing and asks he said you know the c. D. C. They dont come better for months and said you dont need a mask you know they know more than i do than you do now and they say every wish you were me has to protect you from them and them from you that was a mistake and were going to do better if youre unteachable and youre ignorant and you refuse to admit error then theres only one way he or society goes and thats downhill and for 3 years weve barely survived his willful laws or his selfdelusion psychiatrist can figure out which were now at a point where our book we said before the pandemic you know he wants to live out his gossip or what the hell. But if you lies about life and death decisions this countrys health and democracy will be at risk because wholl believe him well here we are now 100000 deaths later and Eugene Jarecki among others has posted a analysis that the best epidemiology experts have said that 2 thirds of 100000 deaths would have been avoided if truck had listened to the experts in february and march when he did nothing. When if he reacted better according to the scientific you have and said she would minimal state. 65000 people who are not listening to us would be a lawyer truck by policy murder them and saw that who i am yes i well go ahead. I just want to move on i mean the one aspect thing about the insults is that its a form of dehumanization i mean you know you look back on dictatorships of the past and its a way not only are you destroying the credibility of the person whos attacking you you are denying them their own humanity as he did with the disabled New York Times reporter but i just want to move on you talk about the you did i think mentioned about the unscientific methods but you also you in route have this category called upside down ism no your the puppet well i do with that we use a phrase projection i dont know if thats the right psychological phrase where if youre willing to sutton you know me that 20 people out there on the bank robbers not me and so hes constantly saying palosi at aa theyre liars or mentally unstable. Black reporters 4 times in a month you know black reporters he said are stupid he is in a very hearty complex that he overcompensates big time and so when he says something critical about a person its often to preempt an attack on him for the same thing and so are you blaming me for the pandemic. Obama left that covered bear when it came to masks and. A testament well whether he did or not i couldnt tell you that was 3 years ago. And he is nor obamas transit Transition Team laying out a way to fight pandemic so hill blame someone else for what he does and its a rhetorical trick and turns it dehumanizing people as you just said to use an extreme but growingly scary analogy when hitler said oh he said that but he suggested that people go oh we cant believe our own stuff like. And so when he does stains africanamerican people report all reporters are enemies of the state race from stalin. He admitted it wants give him credit he cant control his breaking he said to leslie stall off camera on c. B. S. After 60 minutes interview has he said enough with the fake news its ridiculous its belittling its not trip he said no no you dont get away when i say i so the legitimize all media critics and i can always say and he does any criticism is up thats the fake media and thats life. A dog whistle to the listener saying oh i dont have to listen to that anymore and worse everybody but well see you work with 46 percent of americans that got him slightly through the graduate in the Electoral College well see if he can do it not when trump brands about who do something you know has a record of doing better than let me go on to fear itself. Talk about that that. You know how fear is deployed in such a way as to. Solidify the kind of permanent lie well weve seen over centuries by rome fearing greece or. Mussolini fearing the west is hobgoblins and so we lived through the people of our age. The soviets they appeared to be in iconic i cannot graffiti in imagery 10 feet tall they could be innocent nuclear war they can beat us a conventional war and all you have to do of course in the car here is say someones a commie and that and their life is rude well now trump tries to do that with any critic. And so hell say if you elect joe biden were going to go back to and he fills in a word a depression forget that were closing in on one or. A Big Government eating you up and so. The only thing he wants people to fear are democrats are minorities are blue states and some people who are in secure in their lives psychologically or economically. They may grab on to this as people would believe elmer gantry you talk about nicknames but i think that kind of weve covered that with insults but i want to talk you have a section called hyperbolic in the apocalyptic especially apocalyptic talk talk about out ideas again a kind of foundational concept thats a permanent not simply fearing something. But. Speaking of apocalyptic he said that if he hadnt been elected in 2016 im closely paraphrasing we would be having a nuclear war with north korea now can i disprove that you cant disprove a nonevent. By the way you avoided nuclear war with north korea since they were in Nuclear Capacity or 15 years but he simply says that now there are people i saw a woman who was asked why she wasnt testing yourself for a coke at 19 and she said to the reporter i dont have to im bathed in cheeses blood whether i believe that is true or not is not relevant people can have any religious belief that they want but language like that leads people like that to believe in the ranch or been. In a coming armageddon according to some religious book and how do they undermine that so this is not simply exaggeration. You may not like nancy pelosi as policies as shes mentally unstable but i wish more of us were that mentally unstable and its a form of denigration where you dont have to answer her criticism now she tries to criticize trump on the merits but every so often im delighted she goes well i dont want to really talk about how hes ignoring the health of old overweight people and he is morbidly obese. Its true but no really you dont gauge in these 5 year old insults what are you going to do in trump. At that point trump went as youve brought it right down into the gutter at his level im running out of time so i want to get that one of your last points about Political Correctness well when youd by the way Political Correctness exists. And if im both sucked a conservatives now use it as a way to imply that someone is not saying what he or she believes but is saying it because of. Up. That the masses the wisdom of crowds and so this week when a reporter asked him a question or White House Press conference and was wearing a mask trump said. You can take it off i want to hear you he said no i want to be safe and then trump said oh youre being politically correct so thats again like denigrating a