To do a inquiry on it and starmer instead of using this time to read mobilize from below to ensure that this government never gets reelected again in order to continue bolstering and strengthening the very policies that continue to kill black people and to dehumanize them he uses it to condemn an action that is largely symbolic but important in light of the total annihilation peoples ability to dissent peoples ability to organize and a time which lets face it the most exploited and oppressed among. Disproportionately black communities are being blamed for the spike in infections that minutes the kobe pandemic so i think its deplorable that he has used this puppet for that in fairness against dharma now leading western europes apparently largest socialist movement because a. It was brought to that level by his predecessor Jeremy Corbyn in fairness to starr it is difficult for him arguably because he refused to prosecute the metropolitan police killers a joint child the ministers the brazilian citizen of color who was a gunned down in south london shortly given that the labor party is realistically has historically been the only space in which people have seen. Remote you radical anti racist campaign there is a legacy there the likes of star mark spect it to are now obviously the actions of the labor party in recent history. The war in iraq to the introduction of the prevent strategy to their continued witch hunt that members of parliament particular black women havent exactly demonstrated the legacy that they profess and the people who are quire a radical. And an apologetic uncompromising antiracist starts and that includes the courting the people whether they wish to topple a statue or whether they do they demand the total dismantling. The systems across our society and institutions in the name of antiracism and cologne it is a surprise that many in the elites bishops politicians journalists or say that statue is a good for education statues are good only in the sense of providing us with an insight into the bloody and. Bloody history of the United Kingdom particularly like particularly in reference to the likes of colston. But i think that it added to our focus should not be limited to the statues themselves this is about a deeper problem across our society and the refusal for the British Government to tell the truth to intervene in the ways that are necessary into. The curriculum into the. Methods of assessment into the attention and retention of students of color their abilities to succeed then academic spaces their abilities to. To hold to have access to the same platforms that their white counterparts particularly privileged upper middle class white counterparts have had throughout history one does not need to come from an educated background in order to know that racism is wrong and that it should be stopped by any means necessary do you think its a sign of how important they know education is that we now have revelations of g c h q workshops for people as young as 9 years old 9 to 12 years old the cyber 1st a system of teaching children about cyber activities we now have revelations about counterterror programs like prevent using facebook and instagram do those in power know exactly how powerful education is when it comes to forming the minds of the population absolutely i think that we shouldnt underestimate. That the government is aware of the power that lies in education and access to it we have seen over a decade. Of. The continued privatization marketisation across education as a whole so we know but other than that i think that often dissent. And political mobilizations come from those with an education whether you look at to come together it is a crucial space in which people learn about the problems with the message citee but more than not understand and develop the solutions to it its about deep our ties. You know political integrity the value of human life. The global south countries like the. M. N. And the lack of accountability and responsibility that they feel from below from the people that they were all that they can get away with making such deals with allowing such immoral and effectively and to human. Policies and practices to take place within our Education System i think that. The government clearly sees education to be one of the battlegrounds during my role as an us president that was very clear. Our mobilizations our organizations are protests were you know constantly attacked by those at the very top and if you look at the attempted interventions through the prevent strategy which are all about policing which are all about camping down on on dissent on on demobilization demobilization alongside lets say the academy is a should of schools its about stripping us of our abilities to come together to hold them accountable to interrogate our structures and system to demand them to understand our political power and our of our roles across a society where the final lie should truly lie and which is. You see when you talk like that and when you mention by any means necessary quoting malcolm x. People in power in this country say things are very different in this country compared to the usa you dont think its possible that there while black people are twice as likely to die in Police Custody the fact that say 2017 every prosecution over a death. Over 15 years ended in acquittal shows that the police were innocent the problems that existed in us exist in the u. K. And we can. There are attempts from those at the very top to do rail to try and paint and whitewash the realities of that but we know we know from the united families and Friends Campaign of those killed in state custody across the u. K. But. When i went over with some time unease from the u. K. Mainly those. Loved ones were killed in Police Custody in particular the us argue best counterparts were shocked to hear that the levels of death of violence and the lack of accountability because they would ask the same question across the west coast but how is this possible when your Police Officers arent even armed well in part 2 are going to talk to the un special rapporteur on freedom of association who argues it was wrong for the metropolitan police to charge horses at demonstrators here in london in the past few days but in the us a black law is the matter is arguing for a nationwide defunding of the police why do you think no one here is talking about defunding the police i dont think that no one in the u. K. Is talking about defending the police turf spoken about it for a very long time that conversation about the nature of the police as an institution does a lot of character assassination a lot of attacks with people who dare to interrogate that space and to the justice. By also pointing to the fact that we should be taking an abolitionist stance on that from the police to prisons youve also campaigned against what you call Israeli Apartheid what do you think about education in britains complicity with what you call Israeli Apartheid especially in the context obviously of the Labor Party Shadow foreign secretary saying condemning atrocities by the Israeli Government is anti semitic in our home secretary pretty dull previously had to resign over secret meetings. With israeli officials i think that the reality of our our institutions complicity with the Israeli Apartheid is obvious for all to see in fact theres been a Mass Mobilization of hundreds and even thousands of students across the u. K. Demanding. Apartheid these cuts in these ties be removed the tuition fees within universities for example not be put towards the continued strengthening of our relationship with. You know a colonial state with the black eyes matta protests around the world. Including. Across the middle east we have seen that people are making our preaching links our understanding the global systematic nature of racism of colonialism of that humanization of global south communities and that therefore our response are not organized being in opposition to them requires. That we come together that we built coalitions and that we look to Solutions Beyond the limits of each of our borders not just finally we do have a sad you have churchill alleged racism violence where we also have a statue of Nelson Mandela what is it about black heroes like mandela for instance when it comes to education that no mention today is made that mandela real or in south africa this comes to army and to strengthen spaces of accountability the ways in which we organize must always come from below our government will respond to this in the long term even if its minor tokenistic reforms it will respond and we have to hold them to account around the attempts of solutions which include the likes of. The mandela statue. And i think that we have to demand side the reforms we have to demand more radical difference and i shouldnt be afraid we cannot let this time this mass protest this these uprisings be limited to just the removal of statues has to go has to be far more transformative than that it is a dishonor to mandela that all that came from his legacy is a statue in parliament a space that continues to be incredibly privileged that continues to churn out policy is incredibly races that continue to reinforce the deficit the division between all and so the ways in which we truly are not his legacy is by the dismantling of race the structures for my education to our Healthcare System to the walls of parliament themselves where they are brought to our thank you after the break as the United States meets demonstrations with military style forces we are the United Nations repertoire on the right to freedom of Peaceful Assembly it is a global double standard when it comes to the malaysian of the human right to protest all the more coming up a project of going underground. Probably the greatest success of the Civil Rights Movement with respect for Human Dignity all lives matter under the rule of law that was then but today the same concept has been turned on its head we are told to change the need or face consequences social shany is being turned into a ruling ideology. And also seems wrong. Why dont we all just dont hold. It. The old game yet to shape out just being a cop out to hold it against it was a trail. When so many find themselves worlds apart. Chance to look for common ground. Welcome back from latin america to the middle east the United States is always the 1st to threaten sanctions and even military action when it comes to crackdowns on peaceful protest but in the wake of the murder of george floyd by the Police Last Month the u. S. Has met one of the greatest waves a domestic unrest since the civil war with military style repression using rubber coated steel bullets tear gas and Armored Vehicles so is there a global double standard when it comes to the violation of the human right to protest joining me now via skype from geneva is the United Nations repertoire on the rights to freedom of Peaceful Assembly and of Association Come all the way to measure opportunity much for coming on lets just begin with under coronavirus what is your campaign for freedom of assembly what must nation states actually do now dont think you are going to move my foot of to that route. Too obvious your you know your old yeah i think that these are not about it since the outbreak of it or not but now it seems a lot of measure. Which are not. In line with the international. Basket some of them taking advantage of the koran about. And youll also see that based on doubts and based on the information that i see from that a. B. C. And one of my 1000000 there. Is also a story about governments but i suspect you mout. See i doubt that it seems to not be a protest so look out so the fundamental freedoms that while we dont have a nice. Any government to rule. 2 to one step the need to send out loud international. Bad International Governments again but its got that the freedoms should be considered to be i suspect that and the 2nd thing is also about its for me it is important also to have this guy lance also that the corrupt and very simple to show that democratic lie our institutions and must continue to function and that it will be one thing we saw also that in some towns if there is. Some country there is a lot of us thats been more out there to the its all bad but that institution and there is a program of check and balance and i think its important that when we havent seen this beat spread of peaceful beat were also aspects and look at it and station the problem and the need to work that out when its a pretty beastly the Civil Society need also to have the money to out in public to be able also to monitor what is going on how those things are implemented it is that i mean does that mean that does that mean that one can defy government orders to lock down and not go out i mean over here we have the leader the oppositions a cant stop saying it is wrong to protest hes told this by his the politicians of his party do not protest and i think we need to be good to be clear that we are on the Citizen Media on standby to our city and we want to support the government let it clear that its not because the peace its going and that the people not brought us justice will not. I guess it is once yes so i think it is important that and we saw that we see that on the walk that people are able to protest while the last autumn and then some of the militia are really wearing the mouse in that they get some of this out of this mess and that we should be seeing to live because i mean. Nor how many times the school be you know no i mean its i mean thats in. Just the span of a look at just the span of democratic decision until we are able to effect clear as to something ok and i think that we you know saying that yes government. Action. And doing research should be wary about you see that it isnt. So that you see what i mean not that you need the official position of the government here i dont know whether its complying with principle one of your campaign for freedom of assembly it says that you cant you cant assemble in public if youre in a group of more than 6 people is that a violation of those principles meeting you to mean that. Sound down where you saw that this. Is going on yes you go you go knock the process youll have more school to be sure that these are not going to all that i saw nice you see that you did i mean. You know its a little bit thats really it was like a number of people to want to see well anyway i mean everyones ignoring it anyway clearly in the United States you must have seen the pictures of thousands maybe tens of thousands of people what have you made of the pictures of. Militarized police even the army on stand by the tear gas the rubber coated bullets being ordered by local states in the United States not by donald trump i have to say because hes not in control of the police force what have you made of those pictures of what happens to demonstrators who have ignored as you say government advice yes actually i think lets be also i meant that what is that unite us this hour that get him up the charts. It is not accept. And meeting this 1000000000 this is not acceptable and into this is to protest took on the state to take our this image or to be sure that it is the end of this in injustice that is and obviously discrimination and that states and mission to east all of that everybody every person in the United States and live. In the country be doubts fair enough if the lab and we saw some of that did in this protest the Police Used Excessive force where we convene our consent of the United States we did mention some of this problem that we saw and then we also request the government on this image are to ensure that the police can happen on our backs the police that the police in children not to be. The Police Official that aspect international not which is also that when there is some violence it doesnt mean that the whole peaceful protests if the protest is not peaceful and that is a reply that they reply to a letter. Yep you know what i think. Hes only getting 2 weeks that started we asked you 2 weeks in to receive the start of it you know i want respect the source of who have come to you about and sometimes it is this is like any other democracy democracys now is in some time and im confident that. This will its going to be able to look back and be studied and to become strong because this is how we get back i think that ought to let people who are breath and also. Saw that we meet the demand the least significant of people and this is it i mean over here in britain i dont sure theyve seen the pictures of the demonstrations the uprising here outside Boris Johnsons house in downing street is it all right to charge horses at protesters who appeared to be unarmed although the police say they were throwing bottles is it ok to charge horses in the pouring rain of demonstrators i dont think this. Time where some of these demonstrations happy because its an experience which is the did not. See this communication at least at this commission i think that there are process up with that issue would be more she would be more listen to people and i guess the anxiety thats leave the hostages i think for me are this is about human rights this is not a principle its got it on but its not abuse but human right is a fundamental act that people are asking and i have to say for who want to do a wink of the the information we now have about journalists being affected your principle 7 on your list as freedom of expression must be guaranteed what do you make of assault tandem arrests sometimes on television of c. N. N. Dortch avella r t correspondents black lives matter protes