For a 1000 years ok i mean why would they need the russians to help them out ok when thats what theyve been doing i mean the thing thats really quite good benteke about this in my mind this is akin to just mutiny i dont care how you feel about donald trump this is another mutiny against the elected president of the United States by deep state bureaucracy and its just being egged on by the same usual suspects as George Porter now go ahead mark. Well look what we have seen develop in the ways in the wests over certain periods of time is a situation in which governments loyal groups think tanks and movements are able to make assertions without corroborates in these assertions weve concrete srong evidence indeed they dont even need to back up what they are audio and weve even an ounce of evidence and that is because journalistic standards in the west have all collapsed indeed let me reword that they have utterly collapsed and russia is a very good case study to exemplify the point there is ever since the american backed coup in ukraine into france and through st last has been athletes in groups who are offensive by western range dream media but i think that we have to take into consideration that this november there is an american president ial election so in the long term this allegation that russia has. To care what american who say british soldiers is on the one hand part and parcel of a longer offensive against russia zemin i see it but in this sure there is no doubt in my mind that the emergence of this completely unfounded allegation is an attempt by the liberal elements in the american establishment to ensure or is trying to ensure that donald trump is not reelected this november so yes on the one hand russia is going to be a long a. Victim of western mainstream asia. I think this feature a story is more out. There to me i dont think it really moves the needle one way or another i mean russia gate the primary to be the full feature film as it were was a complete flop and the the other iterations ukraine it just doesnt get any traction ok and and this is just one way another way to take a hit the president but george whats really whats more insidious here is it on one level its to deny filling a Campaign Promise ending. And list for us which i have to say all the ones these inherited have been enhanced ok it was say with the record all right but also it is the indication that the bipartisan consensus about foreign wars is intact and it has the support of the Democratic Party and most importantly the media because the media will not take any moral responsibility for anything anymore theyre just the p. R. Outfit for the democrat for the d. N. C. I mean so on these 2 Different Levels they deny drums of fulfilment of a promise and at the same time is to get back to the good old days of empire the way it used to be the way it should be and with the last 3 president ial elections the majority of people voted against that consensus and want to go ahead. Yes exactly right there was an article the other day in the New York Times written by. Diplomatic correspondent david sanger who has never met a wall that he didnt puff up and propagandize on behalf and the thrust of the odd thing was i didnt trump fighting russia or in libya why isnt he fighting it in ukraine wisely fighting it is syria so the thrust of it is this is the New York Times you that trump should be fighting russia in the dispensary lets add 3 more wars to the already ongoing wars that the United States is engaged in and this is what were getting now with this amendment to leave the National Defense authorization act this is a bipartisan effort this is a list cheney you know of you know her her dad you know the great the great cheney with the war on terror list cheney along with the democrats which absolutely determined to sabotage u. S. Withdrawal from afghanistan and we had this when trump trump you know several times floats the idea of withdrawing from syria how those of indignation from the democrats immediate accusations that hes just serving the interests of putin. And you know trump eventually is forced to withdraw notice what the democrats and the media arent indignant about theyre not indignant about the sanctions campaign against iran theyre not indignant about less isolation of a Senior Iranian leader that theyre not indignant about the sanctions campaign and the theft of assets in venezuela so any intervention aggression on the part of the trumpet ministration media is old but likely happy for if its any of these tentative moves to withdraw that causes the absolute arent syrian accusations of a collaboration. You know how much is it because one of the origins of this new hoax is that it was. Captured prisoners of the taliban making this claim here which of course the Afghan Government what support and the pentagon would support and and the the empire cheerleaders would support because its a gravy train over there everybodys didnt pay and the u. S. Taxpayer is name for it ok i mean you need the level of. Deceit is just hard to comprehend i mean the amount of money that has been poured into that conflict that has not been resolved they never should have been an invasion in the 1st place if they deal with al qaeda it should have been a Police Operation and that it was not reasoned occupy that country so you know all of the bad actors are in you know are teaming up and all the people that are being demonized and have no idea what theyre talking about but the media doesnt tell you that ahead mark now they should pay so i can only be taken seriously if this is corroborated with concrete answers and this allegation is to be distant mists because not only is there no shown evidence to support it there is not an ounce of evidence to support it and i agree with. People in american mainstream major and british mainstream major so consider a fact a few years ago the venice cia director says publicly that america was considering ways killing the russian soldiers in the middle east syria he also referred to russian soldiers in syria but it seems to her oscar who is a western hating an american major and british major. Say so the americans and the british if they want a story about afghanistan are a should consider this 1st how america actress and. The mujahideen which later on morphed into howie in killing soviet soldiers soviet soldiers who had been party to. Afghanistan to send the rise of islamic fundamentalism in the region i do also syrians and us sori about afghanistan then what lots of consider running oscar was on how ever since the americans and the british are right in afghanistan in the folks who founded obama here production house us all who are now our ira later posts are stories would constitute a magnificent magnificently Food Production also and there is evidence massive evidence to prove. George is no more of a i mean theres so many inconvenient truths about afghanistan and not the most important one that mark has pointed out to us is that it was the United States under bush in steve that supported the motion having to kill russian soviet soldiers in afghanistan they know no one has any sense of irony i suppose in washington i had last year is not yet not at all. And it was done for no other reason other than to kill russians. And no no consideration at all for what how dangerous these people were i mean you know judges you knew perfectly well you know who these people of what fanatics they were. And you know this is a great we just believe the russians. You know and that you know its a funny thing that when you get in the media who really refer to the soviet lately in afghanis well they got out there 9 years United States has been that night let me get. Your yet lou a short break and after that short break well get your discussion on some real news day with our. The be. You cannot be vulgar with me yet you like. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world the politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Ah no tea no crowd. No shots. Actually well to be. Going to drive. The 1st. Point should your thirst for action. Welcome back across town where all things are considered Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real. Well the markets let me go back to you in london i find it really quite interesting over the last few days we have a new super pac. Getting into play with the president ial election. 43 alumni for by and theyre all republicans and there are bush era republicans now im joining the fray in support of joe biden which of course tells us is that they want to like i said in the 1st part of the program that they want to go back to business as usual empire is usual as i pointed out 3 election cycles in a row b. Electorate voted against these wars against interventionism but now they want to im this new bipartisan consensus. To go back the way it was it and you know i want to point out here it truly is only temporary with pain so he hasnt really changed the rest of American Foreign policy around the world and i find that to be. Quite disappointing because there are a lot of people that were interested in his campaign precisely because he questioned the cold war orthodoxy go ahead mark well hes a never in my lifetime have i searched such a personalized attack on a candidate in america going into an american a president ial election it really is quite astonishing and the same time it really demonstrates that the real powers that be in america are undermining american democracy in fact i was actually used the word they are some of the its in american democracy because i dont know trump was listen believe elected in 2016 we cannot however say exactly the same about George Bush Jr into france and because there are many folks in irregularities in his fair trade our job was legitimately alexis and yes in the last 4 years we have seen the liberal elements predominantly but also the conservative elements to that are most to try and bring down the trunk administration now i am no friends awestruck and i believe that whoever is in the white house is not going to make fundamental changes in america be it a message clear and also concerns of American Foreign policy. I respect the fact that he won that election and was i absolutely loath pizza is the science of those in the american astonishment who are not just. Its secretly a tendency to undermine him and bring him down theyre doing it in claiming that fear of not just the American Public will be. Sad it is an issue that must be addressed by the American People that they are all enemies we are seeing america who have no regard for who will watch the American People all they want to say is america as they will see this city. And this is an intolerable situation if you dont get safe answers one phrase but it was the adults in the room that was the one that was always used your easily adults they got is all into so much trouble in the birthplace of these adults ok and of course i mean we look i mean its been chronicled here trump every 6 months wondering whats going on in afghanistan why are we here and of course theyre piling up all of these reasons lying to him as they deep state has historically done with president s i mean barack obama he did. Ok just to me and say well ok whatever you guys want to do you know he he abdicated his responsibility in at the meeting his promise as an antiwar candidate when he was elected in the 1st place and you know marcus brings up such a want here is because were constantly told in broad daylight with megaphones that well take care of her for im told as its none of your business were the adults in the room we know what were doing well the about you particularly since the end of the cold war the youve shown to be know exactly what they dont know what theyre doing and they go from one can cast me after another and ill say it for the 3rd time a list record is that the American People through 3 different president ial cycles said they dont want it anymore this is a breakdown of democracy go ahead george is a complete breakdown of democracy and thats exactly this is the adults in the room. So lets see weve got the afghanistan and iraq the bibles thats already a couple of decades that the United States is still involved there we have the libya the horrific civil war taking place also as a result of these adults in the wrong the devastation in syria thanks again adults in the room and well what are the adults now say which is we have to stay there forever and ever when you ask these adults whats the rationale why donors well then they have to start thinking well lets see how are we going to help the kurds thats if were going to help the kurds yes why do we have to help us. Get back to you know now. All we have to prevent assad from consolidating his regime so lets just you know destroy this country just in order to prevent a legitimate government resorting its all started no matter how much suffering mean flick. And then think its safe same with libya you know whether the little it in the in the midst of this is created the flow of refugees into europe and so on weve got to maintain this you know presence there so these adults in the wrong on absolutely devastating and but they get this wonderful Media Coverage because theyre their cows a lot of people who write these stories but going back to this bush crowd this these people who are part of the super i mean theyre fantasizing that theyre going to come back in 4 years time under mickey haley or marco rubio or maybe even jeb bush will be resuscitated they are delusional it isnt going to happen i mean the democrats are playing for keeps they do win this election with biden this november they are going to change their electorate 1st order of business will be comprehensive Immigration Reform and thats going to dramatically change the electricity. 203040 1000000 who knows how many illegals there are in the United States will be added to the electoral roll and then republicans can say goodbye to texas florida to arizona and there is no way or public is going to come back in a generation to generation so its a fantasy world that somehow republicans will be back in 2024 and many a m m marcus let me read you their Mission Statements quite interesting here tonight in mobilize a community of historical historically Republican Voters who are dismayed and disappointed by the damage done by our nation done to our nation but these are the same these are the people that have done damage to the nation many i dont you know we on this program the 3 of us we often kind of dissect the drums or impose the enough for people that are really into it like ourselves i mean stepping back quite broadly trying to send very little impact on the thrust of American Foreign policy hes been able to do some things on the margin and not actually very well i mean i find it really quite astounding is that even tinkering on the margins is considered you know you have to be driven out of the church because you know. You somehow have short circuited the purpose and drive in the economics and Business Model behind him. Sane and she just resume that ranges this looking at regus aces by a way in teaching history really is absolutely laughable but what it demonstrates is suffering and i said earlier on in this program that people are able to make the matter of the last hour shifts of statements the most ridiculous statements the most preposterous all segments and yet they do not cause me just sad to have collapse. Indeed it is for example america there is going to be no more scrutiny or theyre saying they know journalists are not going to stand up in a press conference and ask them penetrating questions so that really is our very very serious serious assessed which has developed not just in america pizza equally true in britain and also reinforces that it doesnt really matter whos in the white house and indeed the bidens all this was just from people what we had in america what we have in britain is a permanent unseen governments and they are the ones who determine the fundamentals in america and britain and when it comes so aaron Foreign Policy and british policy and this is absolutely fanciful statements all adults in the who well lets examine this this Health Care Bill kinzer because hes overseeing one of the adults in the room this is a man who says he sat in the oval office and prayed to god he asked god did cause shy attacks. Get sought yessir as hack so. We have jewish bush jr who lessee absolutely frank and in no way am i being condescending the man was and remains a loser its and yet these are family of the adults in the room well he just demonstrates paisa why the well is in softer perilous conditions a day when you had asked such a man in the white house. And it was that george just imagine. Im sorry by presidency i mean im sure biden will be treated with kid gloves like he is now as a candidate the way barack obama whats ok never ask him a hard question and never put net you never been a challenge authority all right i mean i. I have no problem with people challenging Donald Trumps of already i just wish they would do it and they act based worlds ok instead of their fantasy world that they lived in and its only getting worse and i think one of the things that one of the lasting damage that we will see through all of this is that the media has just discredited itself so much is that and i think thats one of the reasons particularly in the United States why there is so much anger and rage because nobody knows what to believe anymore its just one big propaganda show from beginning to end and i think most people they look at their everyday lives and theyre trying to understand why that what why these things happening to me because you know they see these people you know you know you know you social distancing you know you get away you know stay