And allied forces day in afghanistan. To discuss this and more im joined by my guest ray mcgovern in raleigh hes a former cia analyst and president ial briefer and in lansing we have steve gerber he is the host of this earth are joining us now cause and effect that means you can jump an economy wow and i was ok let me go to you 1st here are mikes discussed a lot in my i have composed a lot of questions of mind reduction but lets start with out a list and it speaks only so i can understand in our viewers going to spend why does the United States remain in afghanistan after the president of the United States running on a campaign a campaign trying to get out of afghanistan were almost 4 years later were still there so why are we still there if you will obama was going to get out of afghanistan as well remember it was a dumb war. Well look the answer short answer is that they cant theyre not in control. No president s have to do what we call the National Security state or deep state requires and if you look at a map youll see that afghanistan is very strategically located by close to china quite close to kashmir to stay with us all kinds of gas and oil prices so its a matter for the military and the people who she is vanished and making sure that we can police the world those people that are in charge its very. Very clear now that even of president morsi get out of a place like afghanistan he can the height of hypocrisy of course if he was the a story that the New York Times highlighted for the last week that russias were hoping by which a future for Afghan People killing u. S. Soldiers. There was no evidence for that and then the New York Times and you know giving hypocrisy a bad name came out with a major editorial say dont let this stuff withdraw from afghanistan after they did everything they could to fit in as the mouth of the state. And then what does this tell us is that trump is too weak or the deep state is too strong i mean what is the you know what is the calculation here because if the president of the United States can. Command the military to come up with plans withdrawal and then hes not in control of his home holocene thats pure and simple go ahead. In fairness this president has avoided. New wars for United States yet iran or syria or in other places and so i think that hes had an effect of Foreign Policy i think thats quite fair to say that the American Public is weary of war and for new interventions into Foreign Countries afghanistan has been a long and painful fight its been a cost of treasure and of blood for the americans and i think at this present recognize that but i agree that its an entanglement thats not easily track. From but if you look at the refusal to follow the. Guidelines or the advice of john bolton for example who clearly want to minute ventured into iraq and this president said were not doing that im not going to go bomb and kill 200 arabian citizens for a drone i think thats pretty strong leadership from the president on bad front and lets be honest if you go back to Richard Nixon the democrats in the New York Times i just heard mention here have said since Richard Nixon nixons going to take america in the world who are history reagan will take us into world war 3 trump will take us into what was there this hysteria never ends its always the same the democrats are never tell us to world war 3 and its often the democrats who lead us into war whether its vietnam or other wars weve been in other entanglements so i think the president shown from a strong leadership and stuck to his promises of not entering america in a new foreign wars i think thats a strong positive i mean seed money and why doesnt he just start firing people if youre not going to get what i want youre fired next in line you doing a lot of that youre hired to ok no im very serious about this because the American People do in the last 3 president ial elections voted on an antiwar plank ok and republican or democrat didnt come through so ray i mean what does that tell us is that this is a separate power on to its own because it took for me its once huge grift i mean human you mentioned geopolitical situation and i can buy into that ok and for me its a great ok its billions of dollars and everyone gets paid and nothing is results and we still you lose soldiers and and we actually kind of need the money these days right we sure do need the money these days you know its what president eisenhower of called the military Industrial Complex what does he vault into the senate stays more than a half century ago is what i call the mickey im at now ok the military industrial congressional intelligence media macadamia think tank complex make a mad. Remember it remind it rhymes with mickey mouse ok now its big and it hit rate is one element thats not there its the voter that i guess the voter isnt part of it right here yeah the voter isnt part of this and when i said media like all taps the media is diligent for a less thats why americans believe all this stuff they believe people like. The russian expert named James Clapper head of the national tells us you know what you say said the russians are almost should medically driven coopt to just see. Whatever you know its said its in their genes and this is said historical experience will you know this is the head of National Intelligence obama put him there let him stay 3 and a half years after he perjured himself before the Senate Intelligence committee so he must know you know i dont know if you know Andrew Higgins yeah. Well hes got a thing and in a New York Times today i have to call attention to it because it kind of sums things up hes talking about i they can knock down the statues but everything and rush area mains exactly where it was on the stump close for chrissake you know where it is not about a grifter talk about a grifter here absolute well jill its a prize winning riff there let folks speak careful for those statues are in russia fault the idea is they embody curse shows and the whole community as if that has anything to do with whats going on in afghanistan and youre right the taliban story was just was just ridiculous on its face it seems to me steve that the taliban have been killing americans for the last 18 years i dont think they need a whole lot of hell or a bit incentives to see where the taliban has been killing americans for 18 years in the war has been going on like i say its been a long. Exercise in futility in many ways but i want to go back to something the race. Said there and that is about the obama Foreign Policy and quite simply lets talk about that obamas Foreign Policy of weakness United States and an apology tour on the around the world really apologizing for american strength and when youre weak the wolves come so said senator john kerry louisiana just this week and so when you talk about where were going on Foreign Policy in the options ally had come november 3rd i would suggest that its you look at what some of her chin to be said about joe biden who sort of joe biden wins the presidency in november his Foreign Policy could lead us to a place for war is inevitable in fact he said you could build a bomb shelter. Yesterday of joe bidens election and so i go back to afghanistan and i go back to the industrial come military Industrial Complex or a mansion. If you allow weakness the walls will come and maybe never meet our station hold on maybe part of the conversation is that if american leaders afghanistan in a haphazard way then itll appear to be a witness much like what we saw with the obama years when american sailors were on their knees with their hands full behind their heads with the rainy and warships directing us maybe sailors how to conduct themselves so this is a concern for the American Public i mean why would the sailors there in the 1st place ok thats a different topic for him but steve i would counter by saying if the United States to show me weakness in indecision because it it doesnt have a command in control of the military its not only the president the United States me it shows weakness and the inability to make a decision because not many king notices it is the worst decision because thats been the case for the last 18 years it should have been a Police Operation you know tied it and get out was no reason to occupy the country whatsoever but ray and me go back to what you were saying about the media what do they get out of it i mean whats whats their dig in all of this part of this huge grants go ahead well theyre part of the making matter course and theres a list spent now the. Military Industrial Complex can exist without an enemy ok you have to have a credible enemy and so you have to make out russia is russia to be the same as those statues back there or stalin stays in jersey and ski and those folks from the from the from the k. G. B. So thats part of it. They worrisome thing as a nobody seems to realize that russia still has Nuclear Weapons a few tweak their noses a russian bear often enough theyre going to be some sort of minor hostilities could could easily accelerate and and become really dangerous and are the American People prepared for that a quest to prepare for that because the russians are the same aggression of people as they always had been there almost an ethically. Riven to be an aggressive and basis so as as this article this morning you know in the New York Times indicates where they enter a room which is less aimed at it and say oh yeah hagans i mean hes one of the flax that makes a lot of money its a surprise you know crazy about russia being the same as it was a century interesting thing steve is that you know going in and because i watched this all of the time and i was very keen on untransformed policy when he was a candidate very he made a lot of programs about it because i thought i know a whole team had the courage to stand up and say he obvious year but when it when it comes to the media when it comes to russia when it comes to iran and china we cant really matter theres no downside ever of being wrong is there ever were it doesnt you know right much taller Americans Trust me i dont believe that to be true and the other thing is it is dest americans prepared to take on russia i dont think so i dont think that americans are prepared to take on much of anything with a lot of smart phones a lot of very dumb people sadly these people get their information from tech talk which is i mean monitored by china facebook and of course. Youve got jeff bezos supplying the world with you know trinkets and trash from all over the world 40 percent of the internet and writing for the Washington Post and he hates drop the media in america these days is garbage so used to be a time when democrats and liberals actually thought that challenging the establishment and the group think was the right thing to do now theyre all in one herd together and if you had chelsea orthodoxy of the group thing which is perpetuated by and b c c. B. S. A. B. C. The Washington Post the New York Times all of them into one you know gobbledygook of nonsense i feel like we are overwhelmed with garbage you know its hard to figure out whats accurate and whats not and so i dont think americas ready to take on rush hour much and i think you know maybe are fighting in a word you know what congress you congress or the they want they will not. Additional nucular testing and its not be in that thats a good idea but the reason why they did it was to be against trying to lessen everything is is twisted in terms of this is a creature of where everything is really confused and i think thats really pathetic because one day donald trump is not going to be president maybe in january or maybe 4 years from january or imagine how it were set up side down as a world when the democrats criticize the president for not going to war with iran for not going to war in syria and he gets criticized for that america doesnt want to do it well republicans dont want to go to war democrats want what we dont want to go to war and this president has kept to that promise and so far all right gentlemen i have to jump in here we have to go to a heart break and after that heart break well continue our discussion on the military Industrial Complex and a bilateral death grip on Foreign Policy stay. Thank you. Welcome back to crossfire who are all these are consider im Peter Lavelle trey mind you were discussing the bipartisan death grip. Ok lets go back to ray right before the break you gave me your index finger which means you want to Say Something go ahead. I just wanted to say you know its so pat. That the trump is no zone man now when he said that he thought the more decent relationship was russia would be a good thing well i agree with that i think most people who have not been brainwashed would agree with that was he allowed to do that you know russia gate russia gate russia gate and now heres a heres a the epitome of whats happened. We know that russia gate which was started on the idea that the russians hatched the d. N. C. To get those very damaging even mails around hillary authentic ones but damaging and gave them to weight the only way you know that thats false from the beginning where you know that the head of crown strike now many people are good maybe maybe she doesnt know this because he just raised the New York Times but but if youre if you know what came out of the testimony of shawn henry head of crowd strike that testimony was on the 5th of december 2017 and what he said was we have no concrete evidence that anything was actual traded from the d. N. C. That means hacked ok so not only didnt russia hacked but nobody hacked as far as crowd strike you know its ok now what am i saying im saying. That that was reveals many that was revealed on the 7th of may this year so its today the 8th of well thats the beginning the 3rd month and the New York Times just hasnt mentioned. The colonel that started russia gate namely russian hacking of the d. N. C. Has been completely bunked by the guy who knows the guy who is in charge of the forensics the guy that muller said or me said hey you do the forensics so we have the i dont want to do it so what im saying is that the Mainstream Media is not only derelict its really smells a sense as well as misfeasance and these people have paid big bucks so he information out of the public and did you know that for example steve that crowd strikes head shawn henry had testified that there was no russian hacker the d. N. C. You know was going on about what did you learn it but i guess perpetuated the b. Of these narratives and the comment that you made i dont disagree with you in many ways in that that is trump is not his own man and in some ways i see where that would be true but look at all the different agents be James Clapper you mentioned earlier or bigger stronger or or page or any of these people that are working actively against this president after he took office the slow moving of appointments to put in his own people into his issues of power in importance and thats like a plan i started my life and im again i mean how can he be his own man when he has an entire layer of government agents actively working against him and his policies because they dont like him or whatever they profess to their reasoning and its. Then you know you dont have it in all fairness trump appointed bolton to be National Security advisor thats now listen you know unforced error and yes absolutely i would agree with that that is an unforced error because he was led to believe by those around him and some of those in this room when you look at some of the folks man. At us or some of the others who were there they were also people that would like to have seen an intervention into iran theres no question the general mad dog mattis would have liked to go on and bomb iran right along with john bolton they said right there in the situation room and have a cigar enjoy themselves and thats unfortunate. We dont have to bomb iran agree it was it bundy right twice within the best 10 days the damage severely to the time its Nuclear Facility its going to say take years if if they can get it back in operation so holo our military doesnt want to get involved with iran for very good reason straight on hope among others now but lets let the let the israelis do it now trump is happy to let the israelis do it what im saying here is trump is the president after all ok and we can say well if hes the president he should act like the president and the best thing he could do was what senator grassley just asked them to do yesterday led john bryant the u. S. Attorney in connecticut publish the stuff that he or any harris on the miscreants at the top of our intelligence and Us National Strategic are not with and i dont think well maybe im talking about brennan im talking about clapper im talking about alert literally guys say the good sar out there because they all thought hillary was going to win and they didnt even take rudimentary steps like im going to i gave it a good i mean on city here