This hour for more on the story you can go to our website r. T. Dot com ill be back with headlines again about now is time stay with us. Time after time say were going underground of the start of the 3rd round of u. K. U. S. Talks to secure a post breaks a trade deal which could boost the u. K. Economy by up to point 16 percent over 15 years i made accusations in the United Kingdom is now more of a vassal state of washington than ever before but one of these trade will turn sour and the answer be found in the worlds happiest country as nato governments scramble for socialism to reverse decades immune to build up of nation in the face of coronavirus we all spoke with professor Danny Dorling what Boris Johnson may need to learn about plus Health Education and equality and the director of Columbia Universitys climate and Health Program explains why one 3rd of the code is related deaths in the usa the country. More reported of a death and any other could have been saved if the trumpet ministration had taken action just 2 weeks earlier or the more coming up in todays going underground at 1st as britain contends with the west coronavirus jeffrey capita rate of any g 20 nation what could make britain or for that matter the country and arguably takes its Foreign Policy from the usa happier joining me now via skype from cambridge is Oxford University is often akin to professor of geography Danny Dorling his latest work cowritten with an accordion in his coffin topia what we can learn from the worlds happiest country ok danny youre going to have to tell me thanks for going back you going to have to tell me what the country is 1st of all i guess its that last 3 years are the best estimate is i mean come on. Maybe people know sim aliass a karelia. Song chuen but i mean apart from that its cold its racist as your book tells us its dark all the time high incidences of alcohol high incidence of gambling is that what makes happiness there were high and about the whole abuse that has been reducing dramatically the pins are incredibly worried about gambling which is partly why they nationalized it take control of it to get it down they are worried about the rate racism in finland its not particularly high. As far as european race who goes but its an issue fades and you just have a light into things which are worse which we we dont look at in this book but if you look at the things that the best sadistic finless a few years ago plainly finally got the courage up to list the 100 Free International social rankings a which finland ranks one to wait and there is no other country in the world the ranks 1st 2nd or 3rd in over 100 matches and you explain that in no way is this because finland is imo isolated from geopolitical is straight this is. Despite having a turbulent past sandwiched between east and west russia and sweden in its case how did it managed to navigate and i know you going to great detail just briefly added manisha navigate on either side to empires just over a century ago finland was one of the police parts of europe and examples of a warrior people. It ended up in a way on the whole side in the 2nd wont will have a reparations after that by not being dominance by actually having been a colony of suite in the colony of russia colony actually in germany. Builds have to Work Together and did there was incredible struggles in the ninetys this isnt the seventys a change in education is Something Better in hindsight you could say that finland has the advantage of not having been dominant in the past of not having a supercilious attitude about itself in a way in europe finland is kind of the opposite of england i mean there was a heart of the biggest empire about 70 finland was one of the colonies of fundamental though to this happened as according to your book is the idea of equality a sign i dont know whether the Finnish Communist Party never went away there was a cause a civil war that you charged it never embrace the reagan fashion world fully even though there were from time to time departures into privatisation which of course led to it to suffering 2008 yes it did. A little bit to the finish complete with this communist party left that there actually in the left party which is much more dominated by a full a womens parties the left party in finland is part of the common government and the lives of 5 parties so if the left in britain want to look. For what they should do they really should look at fein and where left wing parties left of social democrats came together and actually stop fighting each other feel and have so many lessons so many people back out of these things that yeah you talk about womens rights you and your coauthor of course writing in britain where a one figure came out during this pandemic that most children are one paycheck away from not having enough to eat just explain some of the social protections that you suggest are essential for happiness oh what a difference i mean a common situation in england is truly awful the treasury produced or polls on the 8th of july claiming that the poll is borne anybody out to b. B. C. News stories to the house of commons so. Committees a Treasury Committee and a public rez committee dominated both by conservatives boast that ming about government but for the lack of a security and the fact that now if you look at the Standard Life data were looking at 10000000 households possibly 25000000 people in serious financial difficulty and it buys it fin and have been storing p. P. A. Protective equipment in case a pandemic it is extremely hard to end up on the streets in finland and even are that the flight that in the by this lake has the lowest times thats right in the whole of europe. Finance firms the most education in this is where it beats i was going to lay the countries of the nordic countries spent the most on the bottom quarter of children a quarter who had the balls or you might have done well at that school they have the most spent on the contras the haps the guy you can guess who we spent it eventually the most money on well what is it actually not arms is. When i know we spend 33 percent of all the money that we spend on secular education goes on the 7 percent of you to go to private school yet private schools emerges as a as a theme in the education chapter i mean do you see it as essential the destruction of a private Education System to create. A more equal society that will then create Human Happiness its quite you know the story in finland isnt so much of that in that never had much of a private education. Schooling system in fact most of us never did its a very good english and slightly scottish thing the big battle in finland was against grammar schools and sixtys and seventys and selective education and the idea of educating all but also finland has has one i would idea that anything goes school should be good you shouldnt have parents worrying about their children going to figure schools simply with their universities their. The university hierarchy. But it is incredibly narrow and degree some of the universities which is seen more towards the bottom are seen as very very high value your complete equal of like the idea that the masters degree from a university in finland might help less because of where where that comes from isnt there i mean if you think about you it is like a kind of trust to children but your children in many ways when it comes to captivates Life Expectancy the pandemic inequality we can all see the it has at the bottom of most of the rankings of european states and finland is at the top so its like picking the child he does best at School Little bit of every chance you know and it can it can get a bit great looking at the going to how well and how good finland does there are all kinds of reasons as to why because there always will be european country that does better on average than all of your big countries you have if youre not dog great to hear that britain is doing so badly but if anyone thinks finland is somehow alien you do show that its been affected by the vicissitudes of globalization you say we know it from nakia of course the Telecoms Market they got into there because presuming it was dark and big distances and lots of snow but then too they too were affected by globalization theyre going to be now maybe by sanctions on china and they too tried out some elements of well not the full lansley approach weve done here to privatizing National Health services but they also tried different types of marketization in their services theyre not that alien that i know theyre not they make mistakes but whats interesting is the country that that small a few people and was at some point so reliant on them like not units and its ink. Busters spread out over what they do you can suddenly see nakia collapse in the last most popular. Its been beaten by mouth advertising we now spend a fortune on harm that actually is the little about they bounce back and there is a there is a resilience there is the idea that you have to really do it in the south and it isnt an amateur its analogous you see any idea stage now were the best in a while make America Great again the great there isnt the out of that you see in britain which i think comes from reading and by human and by telling ourselves that you deserve them and but. Equally you will feel and its we have to work hard we have to learn we have to be able to do the same but dont let other people get above. The exploit that was because that will be in a fish this is to 6 of the most shocking we found well that Work Life Balance they were about how people and people without the great people without high school of occasions were most able to choose what hours they worked. And you can see this if you go to helsinki and try to get yourself something to eat at 9 or 10 oclock at night into really hard because nobody wants the washing dishes dishes that never look at night the most any disagreeable was when finland produced the lowest mortality rate in World History if you were going 100. 00 babies died in one year if. You know thats absolutely stunning one might say that ok finland hasnt had the genocidal history of the United States against native americans Indigenous Peoples the britons colonial legacy is it all over now though i mean there are sanctions being imposed on china Boris Johnson obviously has expelled the hallway of a 5 g. Seems to say ones nakia from finland nakia keep completely dependent on chinese component also there are sanctions threatened on russia which presumably will also hit the finnish economy as russia has a big trade trading partner of finland it cant get away this time every. Ive. Been in tricky situations before you got a member the film was on the border of the cold war it was in the most dangerous place when we were preparing to fight a nuclear war in the middle of you know. I think you will get away with this not least as the power of the us i. Now only 5 companies have kept their share price in America Netflix amazon. Apple microsoft the deep these cant these companies are exploiting the rest of the world producing something with google so its a 5th one she says something that isnt that hard to do a Search Engine is not that clever delivering goods by truck on electric so this is not that clever america the pens almost 5 monopoly companies as it annoys the rest of the world were going to start to look at why are you using those 5 american Countries Companies for its distribution of goods for its entertainment. Were going to start looking at doing it in different ways i think certainly the friends of famous for diplomacy nobodys going to tell the americans their face you know really really really annoying us now but i do think america has shot itself in the foot one time too many and really would not be concerned about its power over than of course its enormous military. Those 5 presumably companies obviously say what they do is very complicated and very innovative. About the facebook i could a bit too much over facebook when i was a University Student i was well why didnt you thats what my exact words were tell you i was going to finish by asking your ok of you think finland is going to manage to traverse this complicated minefield ahead of it in terms of geopolitical Economic Warfare will Climate Change due to finland what nothing else has its one of the biggest fears in finland which is why finland that that it is so i think net 0 for 21st if i like 15 years i had the u. K. Why does there have been more Green Technologies asked than anyone else i know is life in the forefront of producing proteins that only use meat and do not require sunlight and soon as you know because i like to buy proteins you really cant use an enormous amount of food in the. Area its ironic really that some of the people in the wild to live in at least in winter some of us gets ready to graze but in winter some of the coldest parts of the planets are whirring most about Climate Change does your state has the fins i think over their Global Outlook the magnanimous way in which they operate because if you value each other equally if you see people as well while sigal country its easier to see people outside you can choose while as well president enjoying thank you. Often the right. Team have seasons we investigate the potential resurgence in the spread of coronavirus in the coming months with the director of Columbia Universitys climate and Health Program all the small coming up about to a going underground. Just russia be meddling in u. K. Politics according to initial reports the answer is maybe trying it and the usual highly likely report is it does also secretary of state might prompt a always on a crusade against china does anyone outside the beltway really care. I 1st heard about you know. From the helicopter folks in iraq. I saw him get down actually going to going to his military who have never forgiven. This guy traitor and truth and a book of every little thing it leaves you saw he was really starting to have. Independent journalists that you got to see a lot of crimes to outnumber the audience. The idea of developing an anonymous digital trombones and of clients in the media consensus tends to make sense that was a friends. Going to the floor and to write it would be crucial. And one of the worlds most powerful news will remain very serious Anderson Anderson every founder to the song get a song going on and there was a great deal of jealousy the mainspring for the song the fit why wont it be more marked off they have to seem all. The same. Since my. Records. For. Julia ties in solitary confinement in the prison for terrorists await you know how its a live person. I dont see him dying. I dont. Know what hes going. Welcome back around a virus has killed over half a 1000000 like a hurricane as disproportionately ended the lives of the vulnerable but how valid is the metaphor of a hurricane as we approach winter when according to one study the u. K. Alone may see 120000 more killed Columbia University research as argue that not only could lives have been saved earlier but that it may be possible to predict a virus like you predict the weather the director of Columbia Universitys climate and Health Program professor Geoffrey Sherman joins me now last skype from new york city thank you so much jeffrey for coming on so weve heard about the influence of manmade Climate Change on creating new pandemics on this show before but youre working on the relationship between climate focusing and forecasting influenza just tell me about the Research Well its a components of it really what it is actually using climate conditions trying to understand how they affect the survival the viability the transmissibility of different types of pathogens such as simple ones and that sort of a direct relationship between atmospheric conditions and what are the outcomes for Infectious Diseases the other component though is to use the methods that are used to generate numerical weather prediction that is the framework the mathematical and statistical approaches and apply them to Infectious Disease systems generate forecasts of those systems we sometimes actually combine the 2 methods together to make an even better prediction system but thats the gist of it thats what were trying to do and try to make something that will give us some insight into what is coming our way in the future well when you live on an island like britain its hard to forecast from a day to day but we havent had the day to day week to week press conferences and so on telling us about deaths infections and so on of coronavirus you really think that the aim here in the possibility it holds out is that we may be able to forecast week to week prevalence of coven i actually dont and i may come as a shock to you because i dont think its a good. Point we certainly are still at the ones fork over 19 and the reason is that were disrupting it so much in order to make a prediction of a hurricane making landfall for instance you dont expect Human Society and it debras to disrupt what that hurricane does similarly when we make predictions of seas