Write to the new preface as the full horror of the pandemic became apparent the book the regional book was. Published right out to the operation in 2003 i think i wrote it in 2005 this is avian flu and at the time it looked like the world was in no way faced with a pandemic flu the biggest disastrous is the 1980 spanish flu it was warning about the emergence. Of the i am told aged 5 n one. Which had an extraordinary high rate but since the book was written several newer heidis of influence a equally steadily. And troubling have arisen in on a very limited scale infected humans the threat of an influenza pandemic. Is generally is 1899900 remains absolutely no minute and zooming as samin discussed during a pandemic is the. Importance of developing a universal flu vaccine there attacks the in very in their area parts of the service in of influenza and can give us some unity from every poor even in influenza has we should realise that this is not a pandemic its the beginning of an age of pandemics. That researchers in china face at the institute. Thats come under attack from president truman. Have done a service in research and discovered a reservoir of the more than 350. 00 per pervert 500. 00 varieties of viruses all with the potential to china to mammal other mammals and eventually humans. In china you know whose knees most of the largest food mammals in the world. Fly their bats 1500 species about 200 is species have they have been surveyed to some extent or another so theres a whole universe of trona viruses there has well as many other kinds of viruses that. Are part of the natural reservoir and it is Corporate Law again an expansion of clear cut in and agriculture breakdown of barriers between a sunni. Animals in the rain forests around the world as we destroy israel floors were ever increasing the possibility of transmission of viruses and the possibility of new pandemics and you kind of imply that theres no cover up when no one else was conceived as concerned as you were the information you say was out there similarly when hoping to all now we live in the age of coronaviruses plural because why because theres no cover up but theres a structural. Well one of the things the troubled ministration did and in this country the attack on. Research on potentially pandemic diseases and in general one Public Health started the day or 2 is not your asian is he defunded. In american sponsored program there was an Early Warning system through the emergence of novel lyra says in diseases in china and southeast asia. He also of course wired the team on the National Security council that obama had created in the aftermath of the. It bloweth deadly ebola happy demick in. Western africa. To deal with a pandemic which it was universally agree. Was in the needs threat the United States and other countries i mean the warnings about this since. The beginning of the millennium have been constant the planning. Has been kind of there are reports that we have been diets and in his son when the United States its in your country and. Most countries of western europe are always planning came to not it was a largely. Ignored and now in my country. President tried has who it is desirable on which is a medical spokesman james scott apple as hes a parks news commentator who exactly parrots the line that the tribe in ministration expresses that mass probably useless schoolchildren dont transmit the earth and to make the test change should be limited to only people in critically endangered groups trump obvious he says things that he says off of the United States doing better and he certainly is doing better than that the United Kingdom on deaths per capita well in the case of britain i mean i think. It is so obvious that a deliberate strategy of herd immunity. Was followed that the johnson government. Deliberately decided to minimize damage to. The economy by letting the disease essentially spread and the catastrophic failure of the u. K. Government. To come immediately to the aid of people in senior homes and. Nursing moms nyquist same thing as news sweden which explicitly. Herd immunity and behind this there is a kind of. Would i would consider an ominous new nazi cancer germs or were told lies unworthy of lives and the whole idea that some part of the population is sacrifice that will prove the greater good of the economy through credit diabolic their well obviously we invite the swedish ambassador. To london and on the Program Sweden did say that they had made some mistakes so that it has any nazi activity and as far as johnson they moved away from her the unity and there are presumably going to be a Public Inquiry here as to what exactly british policy was but more systemically since you mention the economy rather than just talk about the preventative elements now we have that pandemic. Is. We to expect pandemics because of capitalism weve now seen. How rapidly the virus can be transmitted around the world but the point is that this resides a very old debate about Global Health and one side of it was focus and it was represented for instance the 19th twentys and thirtys by the Rockefeller Foundation which was the largess financier of disease prevention early global scale and within the British Empire and the rockefeller paradigm was not areaway campaign sargon as pacific at the german or as civic bacteria that. Passage out and here this side repeated i think it is something social medicine which said that attacking the pathogen alone without attacking the poverty of the population the lack of primary care would always be a put side of the whole and this is could not be more true than. Today we see around the world and not only in court the teens who use public help pages. Have been ravaged to realign its generation but in the United States and United Kingdom were health care and Public Health authorities. Separate back their peer attempt to particularly out to the 2008. Economic crisis since visible and most here in trains east asia. Has been an exception. Just some except for various here is reasons but in the atlantic not always and i will now see the price paid by conservative fiscal policies in a new liberal economics so you really think that its comparable thing in fact that of the 1918 spanish flu famously. Spread through the trenches its comparable to post 2008 infrastructural incapacitation after the bank whale at well theyre 1918 example the knowledge is very serious constant way but in 189090 new jersey people new world died of insolence and more than 20 orian died in india and in western india as a result of food elite grain picked term and other policies that exported massive amounts. In in grain just feed the indian armies in the field of war. It was dissociated so food prices rose. And india the same time there was a drought and bad cholera epidemic sooty had this huge party lation. Were people with compromised immune systems and i am bargain that in fact today we have to recognize that some in immunological standpoint newly to humanitys in the u. K. Or the United States maybe a 5th of that argue lation. Is immunologically compromised its not just because cancers and diseases but also because of malnutrition coexists seen sections like hiv but in poor countries in Subsaharan Africa and south asia and many parts of white merican. The majority depart. 75 percent. Is in this position a big gender of true. And demi i should say and then the un special rapporteur who talked about increasing malnutrition up to 28. 00 in britain have but he said it was a political decision the British Government denied that completely michael stopping that more from mike davis after this break. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have a crazy confrontation let it be an arms race is on offer and scoring Dramatic Development ali and going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful that a critical time time to sit god and ta. Da. Theres a war the public the most least mutable little more than. Live. Long. Lives and the. Truth about those of us. If we were to use the book with the ghost discovering that those would be was obvious is the belief. But. Of course. Welcome back im still here with the american scholar who forecast a global zoonotic lee transmitted pandemic more than a decade and a half before coronavirus mike davis you say that in the United States where more people are being killed in any other than the nation with the most deaths you believe the john bolton trumps that former National Security adviser is key to understanding why the pandemic planning went so badly. Well bowmans decision was to reorganize endemic preparedness to fire the crack team that obama had put in place he wanted everything focused on on bio warfare but the larger phenomenon of course is trumps absolute obsession with destroying and dismantling their everything that. The previous president if put in a put in place remember this regime came into power valley to destroy the fordable care or obamacare and is constantly trying to do things like take the budget Earth Centers for Disease Control. If you look at this internationally you see that the media agencies traditionally lead agencies in disease have been marginalized in the view issue is how to totally marginal. The center for Disease Control in the United States has had a totally marginal role in the European Union where there exists a protocol. For countries to cooperate in responding to transnational disease or soon as totally new or to which both are troubling ministration would say about the cat had many critics left and right and that has many critics as well. Of of course but the fundamental problem here with the show is in structural this financial countries started pay their dues their dirty ratio has become totally dependent. On aid coming from a handful of governments and from the former city people and history and from a few philanthropy well lets just go to the Big Pharmaceutical Companies because in this book you do talk about the role of private Health Insurance and Big Pharmaceutical Companies as being maligned act as i mean this pandemic was that well the big pharmaceutical industries. Which are always represented as being a main saved towards earth to disease the heroic innovators to earth new vaccines in the end drugs they become anything but theyre in the case United States and through 950. 00 s. Leading force the development of antibiotics for incentives was actually armed forces the u. S. Army there is an important state rule in other words in the development of new pharmaceutical treatments put under big pharma. The the profits are made in developing heart medicines or serious fruit erectile disfunction and old men like like me not in developing a new generation of out of batteries and above all not in an i vy roles in vaccines which have to develop may only be used to. Once so big pharma his coat back massively on on research and spends far more on average tyson and it just doesnt take any leadership in developing. Jugs and bank c. D. s that are not highly probable but absolutely necessary for societies or home as you know they do devalue that they say theyre doing their best theyre involved in a new Super National initiative against coronavirus just very briefly i did mention private Health Insurance you see that is symbiotic with us in october of last year. The council of economic advisers issued a report on oswald and demi. It is already seen as is imminent in it they point out and advise the president that big pharma will be incapable of meeting. The challenge of a pandemic prove precisely the absence of a strong profit motive in developing a nano by rules and in back scenes this is would every big pharma says essentially bit of knowledge by by the government or new cures might in egypt. Critics of big Pharma Private health care a court is its lead to new reasons of americans tens of millions of Americans Without Health Care and that number has dramatically increased to poor is as people have lost their jobs in july base. Health insurance and i think this Sanders Campaign really sent to skinny was absolutely correct to put. Universal health care ridge at the forefront of the campaign and then is actually massive support of you may think its a minority position. Which if youre on the news but survey out a survey shows that a to 70 percent of americans just want some form of single payer. Health care which of course it was or course by reject that he wanted but in the book you also talk about the c. D. C. Is this not just all private bad public the c. D. C. With such a reputation around the world for Disease Control in the United States and around the world they rejected the w h o developed covert testing kit that shocked you. Yeah it is it is shocking they also had another alternative which was the other test kit insists it is centrally 3 separate ters and they could eliminate the flawed 3rd tears and so had a viable so why would they have done the well thats a very interesting question they were defending true the problem with the tears was it was actually contamination in their own production lines in georgia the c. D. C. Totally. Loses and losing through 4 weeks of testing allowed the disease to grow exponentially so and marge who started off with a handful of untested cases by the end of march it was increasing exponentially or over. There were several 100000. 00 cases of its continued to urge to grow hair in that the c. D. C. Is obviously we invite them on and there they say theyre doing everything by the board you also actually talk about the fame thing happening with the immunity test i understand but the p. P. A. Catastrophe you blame Jared Kushner and Vice President pat. Yes. And in many others earn including. Tony fauci who has true liberal americans in fact are majority americans because the the good doctor on the spar talking of truth so long as its now sit back at the end of 0 year it was showing people absolutely no need so where were mass in the lead medieval samus because. Of the drastic shortage of protective gear through hospital were whos who. In nurses but the one you see lied to the American Public and this initial blue City Campaign to discourage people from going out and trying to buy on a mass is said to her alone lansing in very bitter effect well thought out to fatty obviously a hero to liberal media played by brad pitt in saturday night live with to deny anything he did was against clinical procedure and best interests of the American People what do you make of the fact they dont no one seems to really be talking about Something Like factory farming we had dr rob wallace he was telling us about the relationship between factory farming and coronavirus why do you think thats just not the subject of debate about when it comes to coronavirus in Public Discourse in nato nations. That of course is in part made in the largest for the the problem with the Democratic Party and the app measures it takes around issues of Public Health in the origination of epidemic. Diseases because instead the endemic threat can be kind of triangulated 2 to 3 things one is factory farming the urbanization super reproduce ation of animals that maximizes. The probability of a viral evolution and transmission the 2nd is the old still destruction of the natural or its there who traditionally isolated us from these enormous birol rizza poors. And wild animal populations but the 3rd part and the most important has been the constant reduction of public in basic elp budgets. Across the world i mean many african countries only have a very some once of Public Service some why sierra leone not at all which is why the ball spread so rapidly a few years ago the in in western africa so each each point on their trying will have to see each side has to be in the address and into we see that in reinvesting in basic healthcare. Its the absolute. A purty. Were going to see. You should be able to mix. In a sense repeating backseats are not the solution a weapon the solution how its the law needs to be st lawrence opens us she lies to. The destruction truck wars in this investment is basically you know youre just very briefly america since you are speaking to us from los angeles and you are the greatest chronicler of it sir history i better ask you even though tens of thousands upon tens of thousands are being killed in your country by covert what youve made of the this incarnation of the civil rights struggle the black lives matter protests raging across the United States. Well look after 30 sanders concession to joe biden. Tens of thousands of young activist ideal words were basically lurked in the desert. Who told the bully all you should do is going out there get it for the militant vote and this rebellious generation in a sense was saved by clients matter. And. It spins vanishing movement i cant really think of it there are in terms of its Rapid Development who could have. 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