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A fresh news update for you crosstalk is up next on our international but in the u. K. And ireland renegade incorporated is next with. A little in welcome to cross talk were all things are considered im peter lobo on this edition of the program we discussed the passing of the 2 towering figures so breme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and americas preeminent russian expert steven cohen will be remembered for good reasons their legacies assures. To discuss this and more im joined by my guest glenda eason and also is an associate professor at the university of south used her norway as well as author of russias geo Economic Strategy for a greater eurasia and in budapest we crossed to george samueli he is the author of bombs for peace natos humanitarian war and he was originally dressed up rules in effect that means in johnny i mean what i dont appreciate what is going to its going to george in budapest a george of course and be the biggest news right now is the passage job Justice Ginsburg and whats going to happen next and on this program i really dont want to big or about the procedure of it all of you know it is inappropriate for trying to do this in the past its been argued that a right before an election you know Election Year you should do that if there is a bacon say you can go back and forth you know in all sides have changed their mind ok and theyre all leaving their words and i believe that aside and talk about the state of the court because you know not too many years ago i think george and i would probably remember pretty well you know them being bored when judge justice bork was a confirmation and prior to his nomination it was advice and consent is the person a jurist a good jurist it had nothing to do with politics now it has everything to do with politics and that was posed to be the one branch that wasnt supposed to be infected by politics it was about interpretating the constitution as the founders laid it down were losing them weve even lost and i would argue go ahead george yes youre absolutely right peter but i think the court has itself to blame for that because it waded into politics it waded into politics a long time ago and i mean bob it the blame also rests with the politicians who prefer not to. Serious political legislative decisions and is that the left things to the courts and so all of the major rulings in the process last live past 50 years have been decided by the courts which isnt an unelected body and so therefore the stakes became ever higher when you think of all of the big rulings in the United States you know the School Prayer ruling the desegregation ruling the abortion ruling the gay marriage ruling none of them was decided by legislation which is where political decisions should be decided instead the courts weighted in happily. And after all as the years went by the fights over who were stopped the courts became ever more bitter. And so than that and i why were here and where we are which is here is a liberal Justice Ruth Bader ginsburg consistently votes with the liberals is now dead has a conservative president and a conservative ruled senate so now because the stakes are very high thats why the fight is going to be extremely better as they were in the case of camelot because there was a swing vote candidate who was replaced by a conservative so you know a game the courts are to blame for this and of course the irresponsible politicians you have landed that this is really in this is about the. The growing illegitimacy of institutions and its been creeping along george has pointed out here how its been politicized and id like to point out here thats how the left is only this is really neat only the way the left its got its agenda through is through the courts here and thats whats given conservatives its almost an existential imperative now because what they see in all of these major social legislation has come into effect through the court not through cause. Riskier and this is why conservatives are up in arms and will definitely vote ok even though i would say gore should or should seek and count how we havent really met expectations nonetheless this is going to motivate people. Will agree with that because this seems very much like a symptom of why theyre. Moving the country so i think that either country conflicts important because its not just a course that we see it out a lot of the Democratic Institutions in the us are coming on the great progress or stress so we see them crossed in to meet us or in the who seems just more all seem more like mouthpiece all the rest a political parties. If you will or and there are no dollars and you have a congress with ridiculous lelo support and most likely will see the president ial election for election someone disputing the legitimacy of outcomes that matter who wins. The fail to recognize that this 3rd branch of power which is the Supreme Court. Has for a long time been a problem that polarizes so much i think in the last few years there is this is that escalate and then more and more with the conservatives block merrick garland. Is you know or the argument that. Barack obama was a lame duck president. As a result its been clear with our viewers there the argument was that if the senate and the president were in different in different parties that was mcconnells explanation here ok yes and no i mean thats just in his explanation he has the power to do it its not the law its not written in the constitution it is basically is rule ok so i keep going to here every month because they belong to karl and this led to a let me let go legitimacy for the old gore search which was put in by chung and then the democrats tried to block. Yes i remember Brad Cavanagh 2 years ago in well what i would call a very despicable effort to smear him and it the most awful way so is all the conservatives are years now is to change the rules to some extent change the rule of the game and they will push for an out against her back even though the action is promotion around the corner but as you point out as theres no specific rules as they think of the comp the other but again this is just shows us keeps escalating and it is again who knows what happens next summer you are going in with the democrats think power should simply add to more seats to the Supreme Court or watered down conservative presence so i guess again this is for about well how i see its consequences of the us is usually fragmenting it to go well the 2 Major Political parties still see each others as are most working for the same team more and more this each other. Benami undermining this you know soul of the country and when you are in a war or much everythings permitted which is why i say it is rulebook more and more being all torn away or are or of this looking for alternative ways of doing it now i just thought oh and one last point which is i think the. Supreme court is more vulnerable to police us ation than others because again this is where liberals and conservatives deviate goes for conservatives so you would see that the future has to be informed by the present or the past. And liberals as you know the past and stop struct. What it means to change so thats why conservatives sense to say you have to interpret gold see will excite that was written then we follow this it has to build on this excited writings while the liberals say no you have to interpret it the spirit of it and what the spirit is is of course their whole and most ideology so you see it in the courts very much being logical area or political will even though its close to being neutral yeah but usually you cant get your agenda across through. George i mean i think one of the most corrupt the elements which the Court Allowed was Citizens United and and if you look at the the the the implication of them is that you have you have politicians that are appointed by special interests and joe owners and so those politicians will look to the court in keeping in mind they are joe nurse and what they want ok and so theyre going to be looking at the political coloration of a of a nominee theyre not going to be looking at advice and instead theyre not be looking at competence you know theyre going to be the donors are going to get what they want because thats why they consider affairs and congressmen there and now youre supposed to you know all the all the regulations and any time you go to the Supreme Court and in this keep lets keep in mind the Supreme Court you know well everyones arguing all the time about you know theyre going to resent. Versus wade you know its basically the Supreme Court is a very friendly to me chamber of commerce always and that doesnt get a lot of coverage ok and thats why these politicians are very very worried that someones going to come in and say you know Something Like Citizens United is inherently corrupting of politics go ahead yes well thats the thing that the politicians have found a nice way of avoiding or could pose and this is this is really been the case now or really ever since the days of the warren court. If they could just simply hide behind the Supreme Court and say well whatever whatever i think thats the way the Supreme Court has ruled on that said no so i had my vote doesnt have to go on the record and this is a great get out clause for all politicians and so this weekend particularly conservatives i would say ok if we think its a womans work i mean yeah. Thats it and so also all of these are Big Decisions when you think of you know whether of the on the social issues you think of abortion. Gay marriage not one of them has ever been decided by a legislature because. The few votes that have taken place in legislature particularly on abortion or of course rolled out by say 8 Supreme Court those are all row v wade is the law of the land thats a youre either out of luck and now this is this goes on all the time in america where you have judges we dont know necessarily the Supreme Court but federal judges they dont like trumps all is the only big ration so they are making issue a ruling that saves like an unelected judge just decide for himself that this is unconstitutional and thats excellent decision made by the elected president is then nolen boy as they go up to the Circuit Court of appeals depending their what the political makeup of the Circuit Court of appeals is that they will buy the rule for the case but and again people become very shrewd about if they go the 9th circuit thats generally tends to be liberal lets go do this in the 9th circuit on the 9th circuit rules. Against the president not come because. Of the legal merits but because of politics then you know then it becomes a breaker or and they claim the decision is largely made on you know well this is the way the conservatives were those who they were the little birds so what you now have and that would be fine if you had your votes by people who are elected to represent the people but these are all unelected judges so the most important questions in america now decided by unelected judges and that really is a very very situation in the last 45 seconds that glenn here is just in weve been talking about how the Supreme Court decides the most important issues they may decide the election and if theres only 4 justices oh i cant even imagine whats going to happen 30 seconds go. You know a lot of the problem and if this will be this. Election outcome will most likely will be i think theyll go over to me and ill just start. Every side whilst out favorable. More so to say the charges are placed to decide whats said actual outcome. But i would just add one to very quick things a child get excited the same thing with abortion it was all abortion he didnt want to alienate old voters some democratic side in 2016 that is i mean if it was there well its out of my hands. And it could be you know were going to go to a short break you know let your bring you know one discussion on a major news. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics Small Business im show business ill see you then. Time after time corporations repeat the same mantra sustainability its very important to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport sustainability stay were meant to be more equitable and sustainable while. They claim their production is completely harmless followed the. Leave. It to congress. It does not apply to Companies Want us to feel good about buying their products while the damage is being done far away this is Something Else this must be going down even as im skipping least the sun moon and news new me do me man and im stunned seemed to be based on just who looks good so when. The world is driven by a dream shaped by one person or those great. Dares thinks. We dare to ask. Well about the crossed off were all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle remind you were discussing some real news. Ok lets go to george and with an budapest the 2nd towering figure that we have lost in the last couple of days the Stephen Cohen and i dont think theres going to be a lot of Television Programs made about him but they should be a towering figure in academia and i went to academia and he was a Guiding Light he was a bit controversial in his early days because he had to remember the re understood it and mapped out. What we understood about the soviet union russia and communism and so he was an adviser to president s particular of george bush sr he played a pivotal role in that dimia and i would even say in Foreign Policy but then everything changed he was basically disappeared by the academy because he disagree with the the consensus. View of russia after the cold war and he was always one that would say engagement because he remembered the cold war and remember how detente for all of us fail. Things works because it kept us out of the major conflict your thoughts about him because united moralists studied the same thing our lives parallel in the go ahead george yes youre absolutely right peter he was a towering figure and he has been for many years i mean dont forget back in the 1970 is the consensus view among analysts of the soviet union was that change was impossible that the soviet system had to reach a kind of bureaucratic equilibrium you know there would be a brashly it would be replaced by another pressure it replaced by another pressure and he broke that hes that now i think that the soviet system can change and and in fact that change is quite likely and when gorbachev and about and whatever else you can say had coverage of he certainly institute that drastic changes he was right and you have to say he was right and those people who criticized him repeatedly in print and on Television Like Richard Pipes were wrong i mean they were absolutely wrong to say no no this is a totalitarian system of totalitarianism by definition chemical change so he was right there and of course in subsequently when he has been an advocate for they dont he has been consistent he was an advocate for they dont in the seventys in the eightys ninetys and through the present he basically hes saying that war is the worst possible outcome in relations between the United States and so if youre in and then russia and hes been consistent as all the talk about always an apologist for putin as they were that was always ridiculous it was a very clear cool headed analysts who wanted good relations between the 2 Nuclear Superpowers and thats what drove his analysis you know glenn it was very interesting ive seen a number i saw a number of interviews with stephen before as. One thing he stressed all of the time is that during the cold war era there was an attempt to see how the other ballet. The world how the soviet union viewed the United States and that that is that is remarkably missing in our Foreign Policy right now is try to understand what the other guy thinks and i think that was what the success of cohens analysis of ending the cold war so a lot of what underpins i deploy a missile if you dont have the clone as it has to be based on having some recognition for the position of the other side and if you can understand and then perhaps you can meet somewhere in the middle as opposed to if you just see them as an inherent evil of count change or if its a little war and conflict this dont listen lucian. And because of this i think that that was a great part of his success and again dead establishment recognized famous all over this. But again he recommended and i hear a high state president ial administration here was to go to mass for the media during the cold war when there was this push for the top and reckitt when they recognize that they have security costars as well so it does beg the question of what happened after the cold war well the cold war you have the unit color moment more or less the need to understand russia was more or less gone and again thats why he also disappeared because. His argument is it was no longer attractive because what he effectively did was he contested the main u. S. Narrative of what happened after the cold war because if we lose there are alterations in the media what were told is that the u. S. Reached out to russia for friendship you know a guy the russians there is passed to democracy him you know it offered russia this membership in a european sound of nations. Couldnt talk over and he is. Just you know his thirst for empire and hatred the moccasin meant as a relationship. 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