Hello and welcome to cross town where all things are considered im peter lubell with election day looming its important to ask how donald trump has changed the g. O. P. If at all is there such a thing as trump is do the political and establishment elites understand why he was the elected in the 1st place and as populism on the right future. To discuss this and more im joined by my guest ted harvey in denver hes chairman of the committee to defend the president and a Founding Member of the former stop hillary and somewhere were joined by chris fance he is former chairman of the Washington StateRepublican Party after his departure from the g. O. P. He is now an active member of the never trump group any job i originally crossed up and i think that means you can jump in anytime you want now its appreciate it ok lets go to ted in denver as i asked in my introduction as we as the election is looming what impact has donald trump pat on the g. O. P. Because i will put my cards on the table i think i see myself as a conservative i dont usually think of the president as being a conservative where does he go where does how does he fix it fill in the mix of the g. O. P. Own head. Well as a conservative that goes all the way back to working in the Reagan White House i would definitely say that President Trump is a conservative probably the most prolife president and American History and Ronald Reagan obviously was the 1st leader of the Prolife Movement in america if you look at his efforts to try to secure our borders thats something that ive been fighting for for decades lowering taxes slashing regulations that is going to be the legacy of this president not to mention putting 3 Supreme Court justices that are constitutionalists on the Supreme Court and 300 constitution with john. Courts across the country i think he has the definition of a conservative president and he is a populist just like Ronald Reagan was a popular and he you ran as a populist i will give you that he ran as a populist ok but jim you know before i go to chris here but the chamber of commerce is into endorsee joe biden ok and shot no he said no but you do mention all the culture stuff ok thats not securing the border thats not your legal orders and stopping illegal immigration is not a cultural thing its not the alpha and omega of being it and served here ok let me go to chris because chris has left the g. O. P. What how has donald trump changed the g. O. P. Since youre not in it anymore go ahead chris let me come back to what the chances of the policies are going to buy president reagan to oust of him before and or did sure hes dangerous for life as was Ronald Reagan on trade run rate and almost all post room were 2 republicans were adamantly pro free trade in favor of nafta in favor of things like the true Pacific Partnership in terms of protections gratian Ronald Reagan and george bush and george bush and john to keep supporting the past illegality for the 11000000 people. Were here again illegally. Roots and are now working and living in america on trucks and nativist wants deport everyone and stop every form of immigration. See trump is a is america 1st isolationism is a radical departure from the crowd globalism of the Republican Party under white eisenhower and reagan and nixon and ford so yet done trump has dramatically changed the Republican Party which is why millions of republicans like me have left ok well i dont see the Republican Party really fighting the charge for donald trump here i mean when you look at Foreign Policy theyve turned against them almost every single way here and im going to go back to ted here you know dick responding to what chris said most american president s the vast majority of american president s have been protection as thats how america built its industry now that is a fact you know saturday up until i somehow or it was a barry protection regime ok jerk you know if youre a little bit of Historical Perspective here surely you should did from what we say you know you have to jet airplanes the nature trade sort of change but youre youre right but the arc of american trade policy by republicans and democrats who got the worlds trade policy has been to lower tariffs is close as possible to free trade. And people like Peter Navarro have turned us completely other direction and the Republican Party is not there i disagree with you republicans have not a closed trunk and like people like i think they oppose they said that i dont see them going all out and supporting him thats a difference. They allow him to do the things hes done which is radically transform the republic and what what has what have the part you can not wrong great and what has he done he has renegotiated now and all of the republican and most of the democrat in congress supported in his renegotiation of nafta hes not against free trade needs for free trade he just wants it to be fair trade and thats why he green negotiated the agreement and thats why most of the republican from and that top of the democrats as well supported the now after the new trade agreement and secondly as peacefully negotiated a sick mind of the regime and hes renegotiated the china agreements hes not against trade with china hes for free trade with china fair trade with china to make sure that theyre not stealing our intellectual property i dont think Ronald Reagan i dont think mccain i dont think romney i dont think bush would have been for having other countries feeling our. Intellectual property and thats what the president bought or if your poor are allowing other countries that steel our intellectual property then run on that i guarantee you youre not going to get the support of the American People or the Republican Party to do that maybe thats why you left the party Chris Christie maybe theres an ample amount of evidence that most of the pundits got 2016 wrong and the reason why donald trump was unlucky because he didnt run on trade because people we see the hollowing out of america the shuttering of factories and im not saying china stole those jobs no it was the comptons of industry that did that ok theyre the ones that made the decision that they would make their money elsewhere and then we leave the working class and drive here is whats wrong with that kind of approach here because i dont like globalism because i dont it hurts middle classes all across the western world but it makes some people i mislead rich whats wrong with pushing back against globalism as. I have defined go ahead currency because i reject the premise there is absolutely no data that shows that the if the trade agreements that we negotiated and reduced jobs in fact they increased even if states and yes. There are winners and losers and. Some blue collar manufacturing jobs were lost but overwhelmingly its been because of automation not because of factory relocation you know the other side of the state where our entire economy is based on trade our ability to sell our boeing airplanes or Washington State apples and our wheat and Microsoft Software and come straight war has cratered economy in many different ways it is just completely contrary to what republicans believe should be just about tariffs your Company Taxes on products that americans want to buy which leads other countries to put taxes on products that americans want to sell maybe maybe you can easier to america says it would but maybe things should be made in america where americans are paid decent wages for good work ok and i do thats your duty is really what did i do for you you know are you getting this very high hard its the whole libertarian argument ok and it doesnt work so why the the Republican Party will become extinct if the libertarians keep controlling it go ahead or or we could have lowering the terrible regulation that our strength. Strangling. Productivity in the United States or we can lower taxes that it can set of i think the business thats believe the United States or we stop having these legacy expenses that the unions have put on manufacturers across the country and making them leave the United States or making them believe Washington State and going to South Carolina youre bragging about boeing but theyre having a huge. Portion of their Development Going out of the state because of the huge regulatory and union burdens that are upon them thats not just in seattle thats thats across the country thats why theyre leaving and President Trump is lowering all of those regulatory burdens and thats why you see manufacturing jobs come back United States in numbers that we havent seen for decades if not because these jobs have left and theyre never going to come back again because of automation its because of all of these terrible policies that republicans and democrats to pass for decades now theyre starting to come back because weve lowered regulation that weve lowered taxes and weve brought those industries back to the United States thats good for america why would anybody be opposed to those things i dont i dont get it ok goodman i dont want to talk about trade the whole program ok you guys make good points here ok but chris people are not going to vote for or against donald trump because of trade. For 3rd. Im sorry it was a question but my question is is it. That voters will not vote for or against donald trump on november 3rd based on trade policy would you agree or disagree with that last salute and you know this that hope this pivoting to what i think were here to talk about which is does the Republican Party have a future in a way that this discussion is a month too soon because the elections going to determine everything of course. If you believe the polls and i do so ive been in politics my entire life right now donald trump is behind overwhelming i mean there are polls yes 54 holes yes fish on joe biden with double digit leads nationwide there are only concerned going to lose the senate theyre going to lose their seats in the house and if the election were today trump would suffer the biggest defeat since wrong reagan beat Walter Mondale when that happens the Republican Partys going to have a choice they can try attack back to the center and get into trump ism but i dont think theyll be able to do that because the base of the Republican Party has changed the evil who make up the party has literally changed what i see as a future of this country is the democrats becoming a broad centrist governing coalition we should win majorities of all levels and actually govern this country in the way that the f. D. R. Democrats did so for somebody to say its all right we think this you mentioned a word that i want to explore here with is there such a thing as trump is and that was in my introduction is there such a thing. There is its called a party that believes in lower taxes a party that believes in less regulation of the party that leads in a little blade that leans in the south they are not all created to me is that rich you miss him that thats exactly right and then you look at all of the president s who have us about everything that chris is talking about that the candidate i should say that christmas talking about and that would be john mccain that would be romney that would be bush the 2nd who ran out bush the 1st who ran on read my lips no new taxes and then he rates taxes that is the party that chris is the spouse im a car im im a 1000 the party that actually believes in these promises and book builds these promises and gets elected in huge majorities across the country when when we do it at the local local level we do it at the legislative level where we have we do it running for the white house those are the principles that cross across the whole spectrum of democrats conservative democrats republicans on affiliated that is thing winning populist message that gets america back to work and like donald trump that makes America Great again but hes down in the polls and i would i would argue then you know trump trumps affection for wall street as it is a real problem for the republicans try gentlemen im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue where does our discussion on whether there is trump to some state. As the u. S. Economy was booming growing numbers of people made homeless. You can work 40 hours a in a week and still not have enough to get housing everybody believes. America still has the lead up to the reality of were not financial inequality and the lack of Affordable Housing for a living minimum wage give many people no choice. Thats been a problem with the city has turned a return told to stay way out of home. Lawrence who also refers resource the most vulnerable were abandoned on the streets to become invisible comes. A dark industry comes to life in los angeles every night. Dozens of women sells their bodies on the streets many of them underage. Los Angeles Police reveal a taste of their daily challenge if youre going to exploit for a child here in los angeles they were going to come out you would see officers going undercover as 6 workers and customers to fight the 6 trades. Welcome back to crossfire or all things are considered im peter little just remind you were talking about whether there is such a thing as trump is. Ok chris i want to go back to you we were talking about whether there is trump ism given the president s record which i think is really spotty its kind of all over the place you know when im against this. This this trainee that federal. Employees have to go with this Critical Race Theory im i think it should be there it doesnt belong there but President Trump decided to ban it because he was watching Tucker Carlson is that how policy is me and i love children who are also dont get me wrong here but i just see ive seen this i watched a Program Monday through friday. And i see this effect where the night before the morning after the night a policy comes up which i heard tonight im tucker what do you think about it well i did pretty unrestrained in my criticism of donald trump he has of both with the Attention Span of a hamster and that is how he makes policy but the thing is dont a lot of people tell you that there is no such thing as trump is a because done print can or to kill a good there is people like steve bad and the whole crew over right art and Steven Miller and Peter Navarro and andrew entry and all the folks right from the National ConservativeNational Populous websites they have a very set ideology and it is not reaganism it is the dark side of conservatism there pay crusaders pack of behind that find out what it means to fight and encourage it is a it is a 1st lie it is a its a version of conservatism which according life the list ordering over lorraine ocracy if youre being isolated backward policy you know im ted i dont think you know like im waiting for the darkseid if i can finish it is the same thing you saw with the know nothings in our party 950 was the america 1st lindbergh isolationist in the 1920 s. With the John Birch Society its based on 4 policies one an isolationist Foreign Policy 2nd and nativists anti immigration policy 3rd a protectionist trade policy and 4th a everyone can have their cake and eat it too irresponsible lets triple the Debt Economic policy this is not what Dwight Eisenhower believed or Ronald Reagan but it is very much are happy can believe and that is the direction the Republican Party is going and even though donald trump could never explain it because he is now the intellect do it ok go ahead reply. Im still listening for the dark things that hes talking about probably this is sort of this guy this president ran on securing our borders and making sure that were not being overrun by drug traffickers and human traffickers and that we invite people in that we want to have come in i think every american across the country believes in that strategy and if you dont then that that calls into question your position is not the president s position i think that every american wants to have free trade and fair trade and thats what the president has done with renegotiating nafta i think that the American People support the policies of the president if youre looking at the poll i think that what the president accomplished in the 1st 3 years and giving us probably the greatest economy in your or my lifetime prior to the coronavirus coming the coronavirus has had a huge impact on the ec