A 4 shutdown for many months we had an exasperating result of the pandemic weve been hurting Small Business as weve been hurting people and industries across the spectrums of our country its really dire we see that we already are experiencing shortages in a lot of areas we absolutely have to get people back to work americans are looking for handouts they want to do their jobs they want to go back to their businesses that theyve built and the fact is that we cant continue to fake an economy theres no amount of money that we can use so what people make is go away the stimulus on the 1st time around was probably needed for the individuals i dont think that we should have seen him at the court in corporate welfare that went to the industries the 1st time around but certainly we dont need another go up and thats the democrats are pushing for a republican largely agree right what about you i mean i agree in many ways with having here but it is far is working people i mean the very rich actually got richer during all of this they got they got welfare of their welfare when they didnt meet here but if you look at the 1st round it was the middle class and working people who were largely ignored or just temporarily given an injection what is your thoughts on this i mean should i im not interested in bailing out local governments or bailing out states when they anything like that im interested in helping you get back on their feet and im the type of person that i dont like giving cash to people you know theres a lot of ways to help people but this is an extraordinarily time ok a lot of people been put on their backs i because no fault of their own so how do you stand on this. Well i think we have to we have to look at it 1st and understand that and letting people go on employed that was a Political Choice by the United States but our government there was other countries for example in europe and where i live in the Czech Republic they were doing a wage subsidy system so for example you know the government will pay 70 percent of the furloughed employees wages so that was a way that we could have done it here in this country we could have paid a wage subsidy for people to keep their jobs instead the government chose to let people go on employed and of course when we talk about this theres a republican talking about this saying to small nonexistent naan and send them to work when i was their choice im sure people would rather work as we talked about people dont want to hand out they would rather have their job because of course its more secure you know as far as whether were going to happen on the stimulus i think nancy pelosi in the notion or closely told michonne we have 48 hours so my tomorrow we should see something and i dont think its going to happen peter the way the truth i think we are we really should go back though if we want to point blame and i dont think its really appropriate to do that but i think that what youre seeing is mostly from the Republican Party because that has been its been them thats been refusing to convene Mitch Mcconnell didnt convene the senate and so now we have a Supreme Court justice and it looks like hes lucky in that to win his election or to keep the Senate Majority because i think personally i think he thinks that trump isnt going to win and i think he thinks that the only way that he can keep his Senate Majority is by getting in print or just you know read to the interesting is ive pretty much drawn the same conclusion me going to handle right now i think i get the sense here is that and this is very cynical and cruel politics in my opinion here because. I think among standard republicans and we can make them to make a separate program. And they dont see trump is winning this election and. Biden will inherit an economy that has deteriorated even more like you who went out to our viewers we have a situation similar to this 1932 going into night when Franklin Delano roosevelt was a knocking rated and that was from november to march this imus could be from november to january what do you think about that if its true is it really cynical part of the republicans. I think its a really cynical outlook and there might be a few that feel that way certainly i dont think youre going to see a lot of people eager to help joe biden bring in a great occur to help joe biden bring in a great economy and so i think maybe you know theres a small amount of people that would be in that camp but i think most people that are in the republican camp recognize that we cant keep doing anything like this is not sustainable that its not going to actually clogged the bleeding for a very long and that we have to really move towards other solutions now it is important for now republicans were happy to move forward with another stimulus plan and the difference was that they were bigger and got them out of the democrats the democrats wanted some a chilly and the republicans wanted like well lets try and they both are ok with any a vast amount of money and so i think that maybe theyre playing politics with some extent i think certainly they they are preparing for trying to lose i think its definitely bidens race to lose at this point it seems like its trending in that trajectory so well see what happens as a whole i dont think that theyre coming through alicia standpoint i think this comes back to free Market Limited government viewpoints and we know that any like this bailout like this dont work and again they always save for their cronies the people who are wealthy the few the connected the big businesses they dont go to the little businesses they dont go to the people its a really screwed up way and i cannae well great it goes back to you know youve all heard it before i mean if we look at this year 2020 that the very rich got socialism and in the the rest of the people did well is im ok i mean theres something inherently unfair about that i mean you know ideologically im probably closer to handling this year but at the same time you know you have. These issues of people losing their homes when you lose your job you lose your health care its one of those peculiarities of the United States here i mean theres a lot at stake right here because you know i look at how the europeans that if you keep people whole that thats what thats the goal keep people whole as we get out of this year and i think that you know there should be more of an effort on this by both Political Parties because you know the way i look at it is that you know its who is going to win and lose the political edge going into the election and those tens of millions of people i mentioned in my introduction they dont really matter theyre not part of the political calculation that they might being too cynical going after a. Well i think thats right of course the whole o. C. I mean you know people on the left always say oh i see needs to be more hardcore she needs to be mark or to negotiations but its not this is not a right shes not a very tactful politician of course shes just trying to tank the election for trump she knows if another stimulus gets out hes got to check going to people with his name its going to help him even just a few months and she doesnt want it you know its of course its petty but the real tragedy here is look if trump loses if this happens if she does not get this stimulus passed trump loses were not going to have stimulus until january or february for individuals i mean thats just how its going to be i mean theres no way like i can said republicans dont want to have joe biden a better economy im sure Mitch Mcconnell i mean what you know in kentucky where i live we call him the darth vader of all i mean thats really his ideology hes just going to bring a reckoning for democrats we know that its going to happen because you want so when the midterms i mean hes just only ideological i think trump is not committed you know to his job personally i mean i think that trump hes got committed to this job i think he doesnt want to get it back if he loses if he wins if he loses you know that hes hes out you know him and brad brings up such an excellent point here i mean you know what was it one of trumps last tweets i mean you know i mean he treats a lot so maybe it was a 24 hours ago you know you know go big or go home ok i dont understand why it wasnt saying this weeks or even months ago ok i mean this is just. A negligent political negligence here right now and it gives too much leverage to nancy pelosi and and i think i dont see him going on twitter and this and staring down the g. O. P. In the senate saying you know if you dont do this im coming after you im coming after you on twitter and he never does he is actually very distant from these that gauche asians until the last the last inning is if i can use a baseball for him well i wont pretend to be able to psychoanalyze tromp im going to this can feel. It is most american sister hes coming from and what hes doing on this day so. Ill leave that to people with better degrees than me but i will say that certainly there its kind of a rock and a hard spot there right id like to see polling on what percent of the Republican Party actually supports stimulus and wants to see another round of it i know speaking as someone whos kind of more of a libertarian bent on Republican Party i dont want to see another round of stimulus i dont want to see more of my tax dollars going to United Airlines or American Airlines or or to boeing you know thats ridiculous and its a lingering wonder well what about 2 workers to work there is that the 1st round you know and i think if anything im very rarely in favor of Government Spending programs but if anything if there is some sort of for shutdown as we experience and people are being forced out of war then i think it is appropriate to get people to know their tax dollars back that they have paid into the system as we saw happen with the call 100. 00 checks that most americans got now that was not aware that the vast majority of those trillions of dollars in the 1st stimulus package never left right that was a very small percentage and i have no faith that this congress would in any way make sure a 2nd round was better about that we know who theyre going to fund and these things its never the people they dont on the people thats not the way our system is rigged and so it is a really screwed up version and its not capitals and its not free market and the 1st place but certainly when were looking at forcing people out of business were not i mean in a bailout people should be dealt out which again are the individuals and the Small Business owners but what is until you are both Political Parties i mean theyre trying to garner their votes the peoples votes when they cant be bothered to sit down and get get into the weeds because like i said of bailing out the airlines no im not for making sure people that work at the airlines get something that get them through im for them ok and because airlines were bailed out and then they go buy their own stock and then they fire people all against the rules that if the middle signs business in Denver Colorado breaks the rules youll end up in court for godsake for you know defrauding the government ok go ahead brad before we go to the break. Well you know as far as bailing out Big Companies i mean i think theres some argument to be made that it actually could be a good thing if it is time i to the condition that you dont lay off your employees and i for example i was there saying they were it was a condition to vote and they did as. Well of it and they were right there was the condition before and then some of them said oh you know we dont want the government money now now magically dont need the government money when they say you can lay off your workers we had a similar situation oh they were going to do it with yes a Check Airlines smart wings group in the Czech Republic the government was going to say ok well bail it out but the government going to be a 90 percent shareholder so im personally id be in favor of that if the government actually took over the dollar solvent and then sell them back sell them back out i mean this could work theres an argument seem to be made here if you let these companies go out and people are out of work obviously the economy is tanking i mean i think the government has to have a really central role and i think if you look at the ecomil the only economy the major economy thats growing this year then the one that is now the largest economy in the world by purchasing power parity is trying to and thats exactly what it does well thats what its very interesting in but i think you know this is this is because people were forced to go on unemployment i think that we have to have a serious rethink and what government should do and were going to do that after a break were going to jump in here were going to go to a short break about to that short break well continue our discussion on the stimulus package they are. 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Ok lets go back to hand here i mean you know one of the things ive been thinking about during this entire economic crisis because its a crisis depending on where you are i mean if youre unemployed you dont have health care its a depression for you and if you have a squabbling politicians in washington jockeying for political advantage well you dont know what to do maybe youre going to lose your house are going to go into bankruptcy so many think there are so many of those stories going on here but i mean it i think this time to start rethinking what the economy should do for people here because as weve pointed out in this program the cronies and their friends say you know theyre given money that they didnt even need so you know i consider myself a conservative but i dont think of myself as a libertarian because i would like to use government and government money to get my agenda through and not just say let the market take care of it because the market isnt taking care of it ok its not ok 2008 now we have. We have got a mostly visual week ready for you are we going to or do you have a growing number of people in america that just see the economy as a wreck for them the millennial and we go even further back i dont respond well i think the notion that we had any kind of a free market in this country in my lifetime is kind of laughable we have it its like people who want to tire of the market regulations and red tape and say look at family thats not saving you well it cant its tied up its bogged down what weve seen is an economy that has been racked by people doing what you said pushing for the agenda they want to say they want to pick winners and losers they want to do what they think is best manipulate the economy and it goes badly every time we see that that has hurt people weve seen that that his enriched a lot of the few and continued to make the lower half of our society poor it doesnt work and thats why we do need a free market because this allows people to give money to the places that are actually producing something that makes their lives better and thats all that free markets mean instead we have these businesses propped up i would love to never fly American Airlines or Delta Airlines again but because theyre and that with the government they control the routes they control how many gates they get at the airports they control largely different cities that they go to i dont have a lot of options because these businesses are propped up by the government they fight they lobby they spend money to prevent new airlines from coming in and Offering Better Services offering Cheaper Services thats what happens when you see the government get in bed with this we always lose as the consumer we always loses the employees is not a good deal and so i have to push back on the notion that the 2008 recession and all of these problems were the cause of the free market thats not true we know it was the cause of government getting in bed with ridiculous it only note ok fine then we can agree on the point to be the winners and losers are always picked it and its in the end its because they have influence in washington again in 2008 barack obama had the chance to of a lifetime of to be a great president and. And to start pushing back on these big banks that destroyed the lives of so many people but he didnt ok and the people who are left behind i mean the number of people that experienced bankruptcies and danger another house that theyre still feeling it today and 2020 and now we have this happening again i mean but i think that maybe are going to signs of the same coin it let me go to brad here i mean i think you know when we have a situation like this and the government exists of its magnitude United States its incumbent upon the government to go in interest and they dont agree with that here this is not something for ever ok not forever but to make sure people can get through this year because what were seeing right now is like a recovery where the lower the lower leg of the k. Means you dont even matter you dont even really imagine the economy anymore so lets why should we help you theyre just being left alone and forgotten because theres no political consequences or thats a dangerous situation. Now well i mean that way though a crash this is totally because of deregulation i mean its because of the Derivatives Market all that stuff that was. The decriminalization of some of these really risky and Different Things i mean look this is tot