Hello and welcome to crossfire were all things are considered on Peter Lavelle with nothing really settled. Some of trumps enemies want the president and his supporters to pay a price for the past 4 years. And hence in rumors of war as trump tries to bring troops home, some say he instead wants to start a war to discuss these topics and more, im joined by my guest, george samueli in budapest, hes an author and the you tube. And the gaggle, and here in moscow were joined by robert brain. She is, they are t. V. , writer and political analyst. Right gentlemen, crossed up rules in effect, that means you can judge anytime you want. And i was appreciate it. I mean, its going to george in budapest youre, i suppose were entering the face of the political phase of revenge or not to revenge here. There are sort of polls around biden that say that if he were, if and when he is inaugurated and doesnt want to pursue trump, but a considerable part of the base his base. And of course the media does because, well, trump is the gift that keeps on giving. I mean, their ratings, they should thank this president has the f. P. And when is leaving george, what is this . I mean, you know, they, they, they were criticizing the lack of transition. What was they wont bomb a administrations transition to democracy . Probably the most illegal in american history. Ok. And they, but no, they want to punish people, the president and people around him. The last 4 years, kind of hypocritical, yes, there are just a right and whats really going on here is a practice that the United States has it engaged in for a number of years. It is not enough to defeat somebody. You merely a bad person, you have to punish that was done in order to teach others a lesson. And a lesson that has to be learned is that never, never, never go down this populist again. So thats why theres all this dog now. I mean, weve had articles in the New York Times, new york of your books, the nation that we have to punish donald trump. I havent quite figured out what it is. Theyre going to put him on trial for what crime did because of committed. But they know that hes a criminal, that kind of figure out later on what, what are the crimes, once they subpoena, or his documents or his account, or his Bank Statements going back out into how many decades theyre hoping that theyre going to find something that they can put him on trial, or alternatively, just fine wont be for forever and bankrupt him. So whats, whats really going on here is just this. Im attempting to use the Legal Process to intimidate anyone so that any future off the boat from the end will get the message. Dont go down this path unless you want to end up bankrupt or imprisoned. You know, robert, if they want to go after trump and this, this rampage of raging river bend, that means are going after 73000000 people that voted for such a thing. Absolutely. I think thats the understated danger here. And it could even be more than that. If the election was as much of a fraud is some people view that while as theyre going to have to really ensure that lightly because there are a lot of you just have to go on twitter for example. I mean, it is like the modern version of war is unbelievable. The 2 sides, they dont talk to each other and thats the mainstream media. Theyve completely blocked any news from, from the right. Its unbelievable how theyre getting away with it. I know myself, i mean, im not even in the United States right now, but i feel the fury that im sure millions of americans are feeling. I keep my fear on twitter, and its out of all the anger and the rage to be, to have a leader and theyre not even talking about the fact that, that, you know, you cant, you cant even get in is a vile of the fact that theyre contesting the outcome of the most consequential election in u. S. History, you cannot find is above this anywhere. Its been totally by Rudy Giuliani had his press conference with a group is the goal of an hour. You can find it anywhere. C. N. N. Latino mess and it was i think fox news covered it for you know, the senate, the in parts. This is going the way of the establishment and the status quo. And so its really, i think youre right peter. I think its really, its very dangerous. What theyre doing, theyre playing a real game. The American People need to be interesting for me. George is that this is a continuation because as i alluded to in my 1st question to you is that theres no end. Theres an no curiosity about the surveillance of the trump orbit and campaign, and even as he was going into the oval office, so that, that in those are facts that dont perpetuate there. There are designs on power and the same thing is happening and they want to ignore things in focus on others. And if you want, if you believe in the rule of law, you should be picking you. You cant cherry pick these things that you have to have some kind of consistency, or people are going to lose interest in faith in these institutions. And this is something that ive been saying since the start of the trumpet ministration is that theyre destroying institutions by cherry, picking the facts, quote unquote, facts that, that serve their purposes and power desires. Yes, yes, no question about that. If you remember when just before the election, President Trump had his interview with lesley soul of c. B. S. And he brought up the subject that my campaign was spied on by the obama administration. She flat out denied it because i never didnt know all the material that has come out. Everything that weve known about the cause of page weve known about michael flynn, a vice of own in the obama oval office. The meetings that peter struck all that. No, i didnt. So this is highly paid celebrity journalism, is it . No, we didnt. And that has been the attitude of the media. You give them information, you give them material, you give me it. Is this minutes of this meeting . Oh no. Were just not going to pay any attention to it. You know, who are you going to believe that these documents are your lying eyes . So the same thing is happening now. You think people are swearing affidavits affidavit, its our legal documents. I mean, theres a you, you were an affidavit and the pen penalty of perjury, and they also wearing affidavits that they have seen or elicit goings on during this election. Media pay no counter, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence that they keep repeating. And as they say, and this is really disastrous because come january 20th, if biden is indeed swallow and and right away they got half the country will say he is not my president. He is not here by fraud or were hit a member, did they . And the, the, the disappointing thing for me is that it is, george said in his 1st answer, you know, trump is guilty, we just have to find the crime. I mean, its a very stalinist approach to the legal system here. But i mean, in the case of hunter, by, for example, where there is forensic forensic evidence and you can read emails, you can see pictures, you can, you can, you know, see information about wire transfers of large sums of money conversations. And that, that is real evidence, but in the case of trump, they have to again, like the 4 years of his presidency, you have to keep, you know, theres a guilty verdict, then you just have to find the charges and they dont apply the same standard. The standard is different for donald trump and his orbit, and then someone, for example, the son of joe biden. If you didnt go back to the presidency of george bush, for example, barack obama has just basically were criminals. They opened up doors that didnt need to the open, committed atrocities, basically libya, iraq, when we go into syria, he came the Nobel Peace Prize winners. So what do they want . You know, the nation peace. I just read they were talking about going after trump and the very 1st thing they were talking about was going after him for his relationship with stormy daniels. This is, this is desperate as they are to get this guy out of office. Theyre going to do absolutely everything they can. But he said before, as we said before, that there is a risk. Theyre going to push too hard, as there are more than probably a 1000000 americans who support the guy. But on the other hand, they view him. They view dont from as an existential threat to themselves, to this, the swamps of the socalled deep state, if you will. And thats what he promised to do from the beginning. He promised them out and we take them out legally. So now theyre, theyre in, theyre in for what were doing, you know, to both of you here. I mean, i agree with your sentiment, robert, but he didnt get them out. As a matter of fact, he had quite a few of them ins in his administration and that is on him. Ok, thats on him. And his a Human Resources policy is that mr. Nunn many unmitigated disaster for his administration. George, i mean again, i know you feel probably very much a samey up and someone like john bolton, you have jerry cushion or, i mean, what does he know about middle east politics . Ok. You know, they can be the deal of the century air. I mean, and this is on him as well. You know, at the same time, there is a certain deference to former president s. Ok. And i can point out to both of you when our viewers trumpet ministration. Go after hillary. No. Yeah, thats right. I think that was really the problem from the start with donald trump and he was, he didnt make the drastic changes that he promised. And instead hired a whole bunch of people who are part of the swamp. I mean, john bolton, a mike, compare the jaric cushion, a son in law, giving him ridiculous advice of the middle east and just about everything else. And you know, he had a times, youd go to the rallies and he would still sound all the themes of 20160 and bring the interventions to an end. Were going to, you know, focus on america for us. But he didnt really carry it out. And i think that really did him in, in this election. It could have done a lot better. But instead he had a mixed message which confused people. And that is why he alternately, you know, been, do what he should have done. You know, i mean, and on top of it he had the entire, almost the entire media landscape against him. Ok. Which, you know, again, again, id like to reiterate. I mean, for mainstream media, he was a godsend. I mean, i mean, cnns appears to be on the block, some they need to sell it 18, he needs to sell it. Ok. And the only thing that kept their revenues buoyant was donald trump. And thats why robert, for me, you know, it in the, theres a calculus right here to go after trump or not to go after trump, because theres, so theres not just political interests here, or political values here. Theres a lot of money in it. I mean, robert going after trump outside of the, the oval office is a grift, a huge british to ok. Keep it going, keep it going. But as i said, you risk alienating how the country finish up for us. Robert . Well, you know, now theyre pushing about war and everything like that. Whether or not hes going to tackle the ranch. For example, talk about money thats. Thats really what the media wants more than anything right now is United States since war with iran, and thats one thing he deprived them of a lot of money over the years are the money he stole a lot of the military equipment, but lets face it. Theres no greater way to make money than war, and he deprived them of that. You know, or, well im, i think trump gave the military more money than any other president here. All right, gentlemen, im going to jump in here. Were going to go to a short break, and after that short break on some real estate with art, the world is driven by a dream, shaped by one person. Who dares thinks . We dare to ask why remember the old peak oil or gold argument . We are running out of oil running out of all. That of course, is not true in the case of bitcoin because it is absolutely scarce and because the demand is approaching infinity, we are potentially hitting peak bitcoin, where it will become increasingly impossible for the average mom and pop to acquire bitcoin. Because all the 900. 00 coins per day that are generated through mining will be by the institutions that will never work. Welcome back to cross talk, were all things are considered. Im Peter Lavelle to remind you were talking about some real names. Ok lets go back to budapest, george. Theres an interesting article in the New York Times titled trump options for attacking iran to stop its probably nuclear program. Ok, i mean that when you take trump out of the headline, thats a headline. You could read 20 years ago, 20 years. You could be reading that. And, you know, what was really interesting for me is that its the mad men and they read that nixon that is attributed to nixon, is that, you know, hes what the media with the New York Times is claiming, is that hes a madman wanting to attack iran just as hes a madman to take troops out of the middle east, you see how theyve tied them together. Its really fascinating. I have to say for these dimwits, they came up with a interesting variation to george. Very interesting variation of if you read that New York Times article, its clearly a total for all because i have this opening paragraph, which is they had the nuclear inspectors. They said that currently iran has more Nuclear Material that its supposed to have under the j. C. B. Away. And they said trump about options from his advisors. This in the very next census morphed into him and his advisors had to dissuade him from attacking iran. Theres nothing, theres no evidence whatsoever that he was planning to attack iran. But then york times present it in that way because no ones going on the regular all anonymous that he had to be looked, whereas all hes doing is, and any president would do. Ok, because his advice is one of my options yet to be dissuaded. And of course its very important of how the New York Times and other Media Outlets are presenting this. Because they know that pulling troops out is politically very popular with voters. Extremely unpopular with the media and the washington policymaking elite so they can ok, well get the 2 together and suggest know what trump is doing is not pulling troops out from lots of countries which would make him popular and his opponents unpopular. No. What is really doing is planning a new war. So you watch out, you like trying but no, no, no, hes actually planning a new war. So its a total froth. This is the fly by line article incidentally 5 by any i know. But i notice that i noticed that everybody wanted to get on board without one here. You know, robert. The interesting thing is that the media has never been able to address this. And in the end, an honest way is that these foreign adventures, endless war, stupid wars, expensive wars, are simply not popular with the public. And trump, and, you know, it gets down to maybe what his political calculus is whenever he may be. The white house is that he wants to be able to say, i tried to keep my promises, but it was the deep state that deny me and me achieving those goals. And now what you have is the, you have in this case of the New York Times, twisting that around as if you ran in troop withdrawal or have anything in common. They dont actually have anything in common, but they create they, they create this narrative and they fabricate this narrative as if they are the same thing. Go ahead, robert. You know what, what really struck me about the New York Times of New York Times writers . Were they were low for Anonymous Sources or writers they have its amazing and they wonder why the print media become so expensive. Why does it ever taken 5 journalists to write one piece thats long enough . But you know good will not. And i would, i would fully suspect, given president here, is that it was, it was written by a deep state property and they just put their name on it. Ok, because thats essentially what this particularly the case. That particular case, when it comes to National Security issues, it a rough draft is provided and then put their stamp on it. But, you know, robert, you know, staying with you. Again, the media has never been able to get their head around the fact that these wars are very unpopular. I mean, i can remember someone making a joke with me and it was a very sick joke. Is that after the invasion of iraq that, you know, c. N. N. Was already with all the graphics, all they had to do was change one letter to iraq. Ok, because its good for ratings, the way they see those beautiful missiles, probably the most disgusting thing ever said. Im n. B. C. News, winner of syria. It was being in the early attack here. So i mean the, theres an appetite for war because its good for ratings they think, but its not a vote getter and trump intuitively understood that. And we have to say, you know, for all the faults and i talk to george very often here. He didnt start a new war. I think want him to have the perception by the public that he doesnt keep his promises. And then essentially hes a madman. Yeah. Its essentially a way of the more allies trump states using him of wanting war, which actually why . One of the reasons the site for closing the border with mexico was to stop these senseless wars. So you have these rumors, i mean, this is, you know, a moment of opportunity as well. You know, the trump right now and his administration there, are there bogged down trying to find a way through fraud corruption in the election. The last thing that theyre going to be able to do right now its come out and waste time trying to disproven near New York Times piece and they spent enough time of that. Oh yeah. And i think another thing is the probably trying to put live in on a crash course kind of the same way that they did with sean ja, when he was coming into office, they just obliterated relations. The process. I think theyre trying to do the same thing, probably lives of the crash course. But i want to crash course in the iran, exactly as they did with, you know, sean, in russia in 2016. You know, theres, so there is something to that, george, i mean, you know, for the, the ruling elites, particularly in the media and all through the g. O. P. And the Democratic Party is they, they have this phobia in they, they always pull it out when its, when they i mean, to be politically useful for them. Theres the one thing, one of the theories and this ridiculous article is that its mak