Wanted to call the police and when it was the police, he was outrageous. And a relative of a civilian reportedly killed in a u. S. Drone strike in yemen says he continues to live in fear that says a top court in germany rules. Berlin can legally distance itself from potential american war crimes conducted from german soil. Those are world News Headlines for this hour. My colleague neil harvey will be taking over in just about 60 minutes. Thanks for watching and have a great day. Hello and welcome to crosstalk, where all things are considered on putin as in trying to ministration comes to an end. Well, those who dreamed up in executed the russia gate hoax ever be held accountable. Will the media ever be held accountable for the role they played . And should we now assume the deep state is truly above the law . To discuss this and more, im joined by my guest jim garrison washington. Hes, a retired u. S. Diplomat and former advisor to the Us Republican Senate leadership in raleigh. We have ray mcgovern. He is a former cia analyst who led the cias soviet desk. And ohio, we have crossed you all are a boy eric. He is a Professor Emeritus of Bowling GreenState University in ohio, as well as author of russia gate and propaganda or a gentleman crossed operates out of that. That means you can jump in anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. Ok, lets go to ray in raleigh. Re i ask, i guess rhetorical questions in the, in my introduction here. We have the jury report still to be released, but were in the last days of this, this administration. And theres very little interest in what were interested in, but its not getting much public focus because obviously other things are in play. Do you, will we ever find out really the origins of this and will people ever be held accountable because they, they basically took capture of a entire administration and they are unapologetic about it. Go ahead. Well as far as publishing is concerned, unnamed, Mainstream Media, russia gate is too big to fail. Its like those banks in 20082001 is too many people committed to this legend. And so the Mainstream Media is not going to admit it. Now, the only chance that many of us saw over the last couple of months was that President Trump as he exited since he had pretty much nothing to lose, would order that they well, if he did sort of order didnt get it. He said, release everything, release everything, no retraction. I mean hello. And then 2 days later, it became clear that he didnt really issue an order for that. And so it looks very, very clear that not even truong and his less staged. Well, lets put it this way. He looks like a pitiable giant of the kind that nixon coined there, traced it on able to work his will on his subordinates 1st and foremost, the head of the n. S. A. And i just close by saying the head of his say has all the information anyone would ever want to see it should know about oldest. Its all recorded, its all retrievable. And yet the acting defense secretary has now been instructed by trump to order paula, a sony, that general in charge of the n. S. A. Released that information. So this, the deep state personified, you have recalcitrant people and i would just add that joe biden is one of them. I mean, he was not an aide there and if nims jimena it was involved and he approved the persecution of flynn and the attempt to intimidate the president elects 2 days later though, you know, it said its very clear that biden it is one of the people whos involved here, and so i expect not too much in the way of disclosure. You know, i mean, jim, we also have the head of the cia in a house building. Completely unwilling to release relevant documents about this year. I guess maybe kind of jumping to the very conclusion of this because i think were all like minded here in shows that deep state can win. And thats a very, very dangerous thing for the in, for any president going into office now, is this you cannot challenge the inter Agency Consensus as they like to say, go ahead jim. By yasser peter. I mean i guess as a, as a diehard optimist. I hope theres possibly some oil a truck can pull this out, but i dont think thats very likely at this point. And assuming that by the ministration does take power, which is the odds on favorite this point, i think will be no looking back at the interregnum is over. The hiatus is over. They had the fear that was sent into the system that some great orange disruptor was going to actually be of the commander in chief and as an article to says, the executive branch of government, not the interAgency Consensus, which is mentioned nowhere in the constitution that would be over, i mean as far as his releasing documents thats right up there with his giving orders to get out. 6 of afghanistan or iraq or syria. Donald trump never had an effect of control of the executive branch of government. And that partly is due to his own really horrible appointees that he put had now. And he, if he had understood what he was doing from day one, you would realize he was behind the lines of enemy occupied territory. It was what put together a team of people that knew how to get the job done, to make sure his orders would be followed resident, resorting to tweets all the time about what his subordinates ought to do, that he could simply order them to do if he had people that would actually follow his orders. So i think not only what were none of these people responsible or russian gave rise again, whatever you want to call it ukraine gate. Everybody called to account. Quite the contrary. I think were going to see this. What if theres robert reich accountability project . Truth commission blacklists, where anybody now targeted by what i think will be a new shock to tell if youre an order with the imperative being the only permissible exchange of information, much more censorship on social media and so forth. I think were going to see something thats unprecedented and certainly in American History that, that none of us should be looking for to matter what our politics are. You know, very, the medias role, theyve acquitted themselves so badly here. I mean, because there, there are accomplices to all of this. I mean, over the years on this program, all of us have talked about real evidence of wrongdoing by individuals in the Intelligence Community in the d. O. J. In the f. B. I. Some people lost their jobs, though it may not be directly to that. What about the issue of russia gated cell . I mean a lack of candor and things like that. They were used to run, but i mean the media, theyre there. They basically surrendered to this, this narrative and they, and now theyve become willing of the National Security state. I mean, im looking at all of our faces right now, but it wasnt always that way ahead on or and may not always be in that way because the history of Mainstream Media in practically any country of the world is one of mainly of collusion with authority and in particular, with the, with the deep states of all of the major nations or the United States is actually not particularly exceptional in, in this respect, a, trump was a wonderful gift to the media from an economic point of view. Because the media as a whole was, was flailing very badly as a result of its internal economic crisis. And here came along this incredibly interesting, intriguing clown like figure who is never going to be a savior from, from the, from the deep state. Because he doesnt believe in anything other than his own selfinterest and the interests of all of his family and Everything Else is just incredibly, if that moral will trump, trump was never a convincing savior in the 2016 election. He did have one good idea and a good idea was it doesnt make sense to actually be friendly with russia. And doesnt that make even better sense because it prevents the possibility of a more unified front between russia and china against u. S. Interests around the world. That was actually quite sensible. Trump didnt have the degree of conviction that was necessary for him to follow through on one good thought that he had during his campaign. Well, her a minute, you know this to ray right now. I dont, i dont think any of us will argue that, you know, donald trump, things are very highly of themself. Ok, obviously here, but i mean, if you, if you want to call himself asian, weve got him brain. Now, the to selfishness is in the media and the deep state itself because they, they have damage the perception people have of these institutions here. I mean, hardly, you know, the cable t. V. The, the, the faith that people have been that now is minuscule. Now, because of all of this year, because as weve said on this program, many, many times following this, every step of the way, i mean, when you, when you, when you look at, you know, where is the evidence of Election Fraud . Well, theres nothing here to see and then we say, well, what about what about this f. B. I. Saying this and writing this down and, and eccentrics after they say theres nothing to see here. I mean, they have damaged themselves here because theyre not believable anymore. And you cant have a functioning democracy. People dont believe the media. The media are supposed to be on your side, not there. Well, the media is the cornerstone of course. You know, i speak of not only n. Y. C. The military industrial complex, but the military, industrial, congressional intelligence media, academia, think tank complex, making matt rhymes with mickey mouse. Now why do i say media . Because without the media being captivated, they could make it work is an example. We know now that the russians found out that Hillary Clinton on the 26th of july 2016 said, blame the russians, blame the russians, blame the russians for hacking, blame the russians for everything. Ok, that same day they noted the judy miller chair and the New York Times. David sanger had an article, same day, russia, russia, russia, russia. So they were both, both fed from the same trough and, and the russians were simply repeating what was obvious to everyone. And which, by the way, julian has signed himself, had said namely that this was a big distraction from day, from the emails showing that hillary had really stolen the nomination from bernie sanders. And after the election, of course, it was an excuse to explain why hillary lost and not incidentally to make sure that the mickey matt had a really potent enemy to build their arms shell. Their arms justify the military pick francis, which are unconscionable in our society. You know, james, the interesting thing too is that there was this, this demand by the powers that be particularly than deep state, is that, you know, trump with threatened to change direction or nuance things. I mean, wow, hes the president of the United States. But they drew the line and said the president will not be able to do this and invented a hoax against him. That lives to this day. I mean, we have the, the incoming designated secretary of state. I mean, he was a big russia gator ok. And these people are going to be refined in center again. Go ahead, james. Exactly right. And i think when right talks about the making matters, i call the number they are now firmly in the saddle and i think we have crossed the rubicon here that there will be no challenge the distant future that with the theft of this election, i think it was a normal politics just now and of das, the republic as upright lated been breaking down for decades is now finally gone. There will never be and normal National Election in the United States. Again, these people will not let go of our now that they have that fully integrated. And if you look at bidens team, i mean, you know, these are all pretty packet warmongers that make my pompei. Oh, look like gandhi. I mean that this is this, you know, i think were going to see now is the, were fair state and its narrative. And it will only have to trickle down. But were going to go to the heart break. And after the hard break, well continue, our discussion will be a conclusion to russia. Get state with r. T. To slow him and sank us 2011 dead. And they say our price target for big oil even back when i was a dollar. He said, based on the global 4 x. Market in the gold market, we could see because you go to 100, 1000 dollars. 6 months ago, i said, ok, looks like a client is going to challenge galt. Therefore we got to raise our price target to 400000. 00. But youre right, you have to also look at the price of gold here because a gold price could get cut in half because people are literally throwing in the street like garbage like about as well and all of our pain theyre buying because instead welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered, im peter lavelle. Were discussing whether russia gate will ever be completely exposed. Ok, lets go back to jim in washington to bring you into the break. You were making a point, police going to show us. I think that were going to see this integrated warfare state. So fooling control now and the narrative supporting it, being the only one that is permitted. Anything else would be Conspiracy Theory if they knew it was increasingly subject to censorship. That when we start getting a one of the 1st things i expect, by the way, is to revive the war in syria and be a regime change operation, syria. I guess we could start setting our watches, waking next to our style gas attack or whatever it is. I think the pressure against russia will step up exponentially and, and the narrative will so it will be will be christiane amanpour. For one, i am to be out there telling us how dastardly all these countries are, why the United States must act. And if anybody questions that it will simply not be heard by the last majority of people. And i think this is bifurcation, our society and the marginalization of dissenting views is going to be a permanent feature. Not may you want to jump in . His want to mention something about syria. Now, why are we in syria . I know were in syria, but i know for israel most lets face it this really 7 minute that theyre interested in, in the outcome in syria, is that there be no outcome. That would be chaos that the potential perpetual warfare in syria. So that no sunni or shia can prevail and threaten israel. Theyve said that thats been their york times. Look at the lead article, september 6th, 2013. They told the New York Times said, your jerusalem correspondent, the preferred outcome is no outcome. As long as this bloodletting between shia and sunni quote, we have nothing to fear from syria. Thats why were in syria and the 1st the, the time krishna ignite is that we need to tell the american people, this is not our fight and win are going to send any more us soldiers or even people who will fight for us to mess around the syria, just because israel wants chaos there. You know, all of her happy. I think all of this we can agree here. I mean its, i can understand the way the deep state accent because they protect themselves. Ok,. I mean, even the impotent f. B. I. Director. Mean hes protecting the f. B. I. , i mean its so pathetic. I think the attorney general has done better, but thats not his wheelhouse necessarily here, but over it into really is the media here and i find it really quite. And i agree with your 1st answer that the media as they tend to kowtow to the powers that be when i mean, there are a lot of people that are very interested in this story here and it, it, and i think theyre smarter group of people to be honest with the ok and we, we make compelling arguments because we actually make arguments. Ok. Because the other side just says, oh, thats just the Conspiracy Theory. But theyre the ones that have been peddling a Conspiracy Theory. And this is the oddity of it all. And i, and im not going to personally say people are liars, but it seems very convenient to go along with is when this narrative, i mean these people in media your paper, well they get access because now media is not about journalism, its about celebrity, i mean, it really works very well for them, and particularly in reporting on the National Security state, they tend to be more stenographers than anything else. I mean, theyre out there is Investigative Journalism out there. But for the National Security state, you just, they feed you when you just write it ok. That is a pretty clean, thats very dangerous. Jim is already said here he questions the outcome of the election. People are more and more questioning these things here, and thats not very healthy for a person science. And im really afraid were all going to be balkanized. Go ahead. I think we talked about russia gate as being an extraordinary episode of public destruction in which the media was a prime player. Russia gave to structure this and many, many things, including the corruption of the d. N. C. And it distracted us from the road doc, money and us elections. A destructive us from everything that is very wrong with the election with this 2 pocket dominant electoral system that we have. And amongst other things, very sadly, it distracted us from the reality for russia and the reality of china. And anyone whos visited cities recently and such like moscow or st. Petersburg of beijing or shanghai, they will know these are incredibly vibrant places that the world is changing. We have examples of extraordinarily effective Political Leadership in these countries, the likes of which we have not seen here for several decades. This is the reality, doesnt media, the u. S. Media office, kate, they say rog, 99. 9 percent of the American Population from understanding anything real about these 2, about these 2, not just these 2 countries about many countries. But in this context is a particularly important. The fact that we know nothing from the media about russia or about china, you know, who are a, one of the things that weve seen a dramatic shift i would say over the last few years is that the neo cons have been able to capture both parties now in this is really, this is an amazing and theyve captured the