Aiming for 700000. 00 plus to attend. However, actual numbers felt very short, was only several 100 showing up. Now, almost all the latest polls show the subject of Border Security and emigration reading as number 2 or number 3 and voters might get brought a showing of this last rally against the lack of security at the southern border. You would think the only action voters are looking to take on the issue is going to be on election day. But its ridiculous to take a politician is going to take care of a problem, especially if its one that they have done Everything Possible to avoid fixing in the past as somebody or and say, encouraged this problem to grow. Well, lets discuss this with our panel. Join me today, our former democratic congressman from florida, alan grayson, whose personality is just as bright as that shirt and from new work. We have surgical analyst, steve malls, berg and director of policy studies at the center for immigration studies. Jessie von, thank you so much for joining me. Lets make sure that we have a lively conversation. Honestly, i do believe it is an important issue. And i will start with you just because i remember the entire obamacare rallies that happened in 2009 in do you see there were thousands of people that alternately led to the birth of the tea party. There was a National Mentor in the Anti Government controlled health care to Flip Congress in 2010. So lets move it to today. Do you think americans really care about what is going on at the border . And enough that it could actually have an effect on the outcome of an election the most definitely do care. And i think it really could affect the outcome of this coming election because there are such stark differences among the candidates on their immigration positions, at least between the democrats and the republicans. Under the last 3 years of the, by the administration, weve seen the, the worst crisis along the border in our history with higher levels of ilLegal Immigration that weve ever seen. And a lot of Public Safety and physical and Security Problems as a result. Um, even if maybe not Everybody Loves donald trump, but they do love is immigration policy. And i would trust donald trump more to um to bring order to our border and to get this crisis fixed. So, you know, so im sure there will be other issues at play, but the immigration issue apparently is the one that people care most about right now, regardless of their political affiliation. Is that how you see it outlined in the fact that this is an issue thats bi partisan . I know theyre trying to make a deal in washington dc for element seems like the 2nd decade in a row. Do you think this is a that is just clear cut between democrats and republicans . You know, this is a republicans trying to make an issue because they feel like making an issue. Joe biden arrested more people at the border in one year than donald trump didnt 4 years of age out in nearly an 8000000. 00 out of the 12000000. 00 mexicans who across the border across the board during the George W Bush administration, was this is republicans desperately tries to take attention away from the fact that theyre likely candidate has been indicted for times is having his business strict away from him because of fraud and so on and so forth. Hes literally the worst person in america, and theyre the ones hes, hes the one that theyre putting up to be present, United States. Theyre just trying to distract us. Okay. Says the, do you agree that theyre just trying to distract from their kid up and using immigration . Is the issue. Yeah, right. Well then that, that then its the most successful distraction in the history of the world. Look at the polls, but this is all become a horrific joke, joe biden, on day one on the all the advances that donald trump forwarded to place the key part border secure, the did it with a pin. Now hes Walking Around pathetically, of course, and saying he needs congress. I need congress for the power. I need terms with the power to get, take the same don pin and, and do what he did on day one and put trumps executive orders and policies back in action. Well, you have people. Yep. Minority communities in new york city, chicago, and all over the place up in arms over the illegals that are coming into their communities, getting housing getting suite for getting free medical care. Theyre saying what about us . What about our kids . So this is, this speaks to old demographics. Everybodys upset about this, and this is a, a winning issue. I dont wish it wasnt an issue, but the democrats dont want to put the foreigner against. It is up. They dont want to keep it closed. And yet ive got to ask you steve this weekend or this past week for theyve been doing these rallies at the borders, not many people are showing up. So i want to bring this back to the topic today of, of the power of mag on single issues like immigration. Do you think the truck or crumbling canada was successful . And why are you not seeing that same type of success when it comes to immigration orders in the United States at the southern border . Well, if youre talking to me, i, i think got as far as the rallies and people not showing up. I dont know. I mean, i, you know, its, uh, i, i cant answer for anybody else, but i will say this, listen to this job, kirby, the National Security spokesman. When asked, why would you want to take down the, the barbed wire, the razor band dues, adequately separates, keeping the people out as being and his answer was, what a boarder regence have to do with their jobs. They have to process the people. So think about that. We have to let the illegals in to the board of regents and they think their job to do is to process them not to keep them out. Thats the logic. This sick twisted, cemented logic of this administration. Oh, we dont want to keep them out because the Border Agents have to do their job. Thats. Thats insanity. With jesse, you look at this from an actual policy standpoint. Do you feel like any of the bills are being crafted right now in washington dc . Youre actually going to help bring a by both sides of the aisle are actually going to bring a solution to this problem as well. The bill that was passed in the house of representatives called h r 2 definitely would restore security at our border. It would end the catch and release. It would reform the asylum system in a constructive way so that it can be abused by Illegal Migrants making frivolous asylum claims. It would go after sanctuary. Cities. It would go after employers who agreed just the higher illegal workers and bypass american workers. It would give money to ice, to enforce the immigration laws in the interior of the country. You know, all the, the 8000000 illegal aliens and bite and it has allowed in. So yes, thats a solution. And there are executive actions that could be taken as well. Uh, but this, this deal that was just negotiated and went down in flames in the said was not a so was not a Border Security bill. It was a, a massive convocation of the disastrous and reckless by the administration catch and release policies with increases in Legal Immigration on top of it. I mean what, what kind of a big, i mean they really think people were going to vote for a bill that during and a mass migration crisis required the government to let it in admissible migraines, through the ports of entry. It was nonsense and it was due to fail. Well, alex and you dont take the necessary. Theres a problem. This is just being used by republicans. The why are democrats all of a sudden putting attention to this in the house and the senate right now watching you see, youve been up on the hill before. Nothing usually gets done. It takes a lot. And yeah, you are having democrats starting to have the conversation about what is going on at the southern border. Could you even think that this might even affect the election in some form that will look so the republicans, including on the show apparently are simply lying about the democrats. Theres no open board or policy. There never has been. Its nonsense. Well, if youre an open border policy with buying the arrest, the 2 and a half 1000000 people, the southern border last year, this is just the absolute flagrant nonsense. The democrats are responding to it because they have to respond to every life. If you dont respond to a lot of people assume its true how many times that we hear about the lies about obama care, through 60 votes to reveal it. Now its the border of the board or the border. And its, its simply because the republicans are desperate to play a part peoples fear and peoples hatred. Well, its true that immigrants can, but im very familiar with the me. Are you like to live . You know, awesome. Have you been watching anything usually of your turn . I mean, are you really that route . Well, but heres the thing that i dont like. I would never let anybody call anybody or i dont think that i dont think anybody purpose they live on this show. That being said, i, this is definitely a political issue. And so you kind of fire back and forth. But if there isnt in the result, what are you responsible . And they said the reason why job binds arrested more than donald trump to because theres more coming across the border to arrest that with the us during the bible ministration. Letting the people that they arrest into the country instead of removing them, which is went on during the resume, including a rock obama. Okay, so alan, fix what youre saying and ill let you back in the collision. Okay. The only reason why the flow was reduced during the last administration because cove it is because mexicans even though it costs the board that are likely died and that that was a temporary situation. Now were basically back to normal except for the back. The button in australian is in fact enforcing the law despite the fact that people that are on it mostly about open borders. It simply isnt the case that is a lie. Well then im gonna, i wanna let and steve have a word here because youre, youre objecting to steve, youre in new york city right now. If we dont have a problem, the little ilLegal Immigration, why is the mayor are asking for money . And the governor asking for money from the federal government to help subsidize what is happening and there was city but you know, they, they didnt even network adams and, and kept the whole go, have said that the administration is not doing enough to, to help facilitate what the needs of the city which has been overrun, and, and im glad that its been overrun because texas should not have to bear the burden of dividing policy. While these cities, like new york city, call themselves the sanctuary. Cities proudly commerce, but then its our mothers vineyard are like, oh, dont send them to us, were a sanctuary city, but we dont want them. So im glad that new york and other cities are tasting what its like, protects us, and its only a little taste. But its outrages and we all saw the 2 Police Officers beaten by a bunch of illegals thugs. And thats a big problem, especially in new york city right now and elsewhere around the country. Crime from illegals. Well, im glad youre not dodge song, because if you called somebody a saw, you would be national headlights on. Thats the one. I want my panel to stick around because were going to can choose discussion. Because i guess all the attention of the board are, has started to take a toll on politicians, on both sides the aisle. Because when we return, were going to look at the legislation being proposed on the federal level. And if its solve the problem, the why is one border state governor having to make his own Border Security policy will be right back the, the russian states. Never as tired as im one of the most sense Community Best most ill send send up the in the system to progress be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on russia cruising and supports the r t. Suppose next, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the senior said this is what question. Did you say a request, which is the type of rick sanchez and im going to plan with you whatever you do. You do not watch my new show seriously by watch something thats so different opinions that he wont get anywhere else. Welcome to please do the have the state department, the c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. Choose your fax for you. Go ahead. Change and whatever you do, dont want my show stay main street because im probably going to make you uncomfortable. My show is called stretching time, but again, you probably dont wanna watch it because it might just change the way you ok. Welcome back. Im scroll down here and you are watching 360 view, Texas Governor greg abbott is defined the wishes of president biden, as well as the Supreme Court and is expanding operation lonestar. And this is the controversial Border Security initiative that he launched in 2021. The operation has included deploying Texas National guard members along the mexican border, installing a floating barrier in the Rio Grande River and initiating safety inspections on commercial trucks arriving at ports of entry from mexico. So our golf course in america, going to start making their own policies for their states when the federal government fails to. Lets bring back in our panel. We have former democratic congressman from florida, alan grayson, political analysts, the mazda parts, and director of policy studies at the center of emigration stays jessie vaughn. You know, before we left i, there was one question that i wanted to carry over from it. I went, i went to actually go back to alan grayson on this one because at this stage, this past year over the over as of these rallies, there was one stage the feature an anti immigrated fear mongering, an anti trans bigotry, wrapped in a christian nationalist package. That was what was quoted observed from one reporter for vice magazine. And as youve looked into these rallies that had been happening at the border at this time, is that what you sort of gleamed from the message that is happening at these rallies . I think its largely a failure of these rallies, the fundamental messages that there are failure, that the despite their best efforts, their publicans are having difficulty whipping up peoples fear and hatred against other people. And the result of that is, is that they probably will fail in november and compare thats what were talking about before the tea party. Having the tea party is that the cope rather spend hundreds of millions of dollars to bus people, then on these protests puts them up, and nice hotels, show them a good time in washington dc. But the feel is that they were on vacation while fox news and cnbc relentlessly promoted these events. Thats not happening now. Thats not happening because the cope brothers are on the other side of those right now. They want their cheap labor costs across the board as much as they can. So they can staff the refineries in texas and, and so obviously foxes and trump dont get along that well these days. So what, whats happened is the money and the power that was put by the Tea Party Protest simply isnt there right now for these protests, you know, steve osburg and now, and i know you probably dont agree with him. But steve, you have to agree with what alan just said. That names have changed, especially amongst the traditional republican support, including the coke brothers. And theyve been very much pro the chamber of commerce position of open border agreements with mexico and the immigration issue. How does that go . How does that change the dynamics within the Republican Party and the motivation of the people within that make up the party as well . I, i think that the american public. Oh, in general, if you look at the polls, i over whelming lead by almost 40 percent. They said donald trump is better equipped to handle the immigration problem. Then they are the hands and then it is a job. Im abortion is war in order of importance by immigration, which is right up there with the economy and then on the left likes to cry, you know, they to boise is going to be the winning issue to say that americans dont care and know, and its not working and no ones interested in. And, and, you know, this is a made up issue and youve got to be living underground. Youve got to be out of touch with america. Everybodys talking about this. Youve got them emptying schools in new york city. So hows the illegals . Hey, let the kids learn from home. You got crock people sleeping in the streets, feeding up cops. I mean, you cant walk the streets, and nobody cares. This is a made up issue. And again, its all jo bidens ball because the on did everything that donald trump put in place to keep it in. Check the on did it on day one with his pin. And he can do it again in reverse already pretends and the media is compressing and this. And so are democrats like the congressman here . They say, oh no, its got to be congress to do it alone. Well, one person is doing something about the Governor Abbot. So jesse, do you agree with our Governor Abbot has handled the situation in the past and his decision about taking actions into his own hand and live the federal government. Not doing what he feels is necessary for the people of his state. A. Yes, i think governor, governor, i but it needs to be applauded for on taking, trying to take control of the situation and youre doing the job. The federal government will not do with respect to keeping the border secure. He has to do this for the sake of the citizens of texas, and frankly, the citizens of the rest of the country. He has shown also that we actually can control the board or if we have the right leadership and the will to do so. He has shut down the parts of the border that he is tried to get control of. Hes taken over entire islands in, in the river fair border that were occupied by the cartels with impunity. That were part of us territory. So he showed us exactly what can be done, and i think on not only texans, but also americans all over the coun