The the hello and welcome to cross stock. Were all things are considered. I am peter lavelle, french president emmanuel. The crown says hes advocating strategic ambiguity when it comes to ukraine. This includes funding western military personnel to fight for kids. This is not strategic ambiguity, but rather strategic confusion. The cross talking ukraine, im joined by my guess over desires in geneva. He is an author and former un independent expert on an International Order in brussels. We turn to appear emmanuel, tom. He is a lecture at Leon University and in nice we crossed to alex because he is a veteran reporter and Foreign Affairs analyst, or a gentleman comstock rose in effect. That means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it. I would somebody go to you 1st, the nice because youre in france, so nice. So i started out with the french president here. It says hes advocating a form of strategic ambiguity. And then he says under the conditions in which he will send troops, his troops, de po, troops, somebodys troops, i dont know of. And those conditions are the kids lines break or they a request is made, prized zalinski. So it, i dont see that is m b a and beauty. I find it confusing and certainly very dangerous. Go ahead, alex, find the beauty, right. Its one of 2 things. Either you dont know what youre talking about. Really funny because you see like its, its, its that simple going all along the lines. You can say hes gonna send troops and if line breaks, or if you create, makes a request. Well, i think you create would have already made that requested that i had a chance to make a request. These me for your time, the sky ideas. And i felt like little bullying here. Hes, hes pushing out all these ideas to, to need while made it was really not been bathroom on it. You talk any st politician. Nobody wants to go until you create official. Now the other side of that corner is we know that since 2014 and couldnt use the americans, the french, the british, everybody stayed on the ground in ukraine officially. So what does this make of what differences are stable, big, big difference actually, when youre looking at the bit with maddox, your face, when you say youre basically on the ground. Well, that takes things up a level and thats what people are sick and tired. We need to stop this type of rhetoric. We should be pulling back. We know what the situation is on the ground. Wines have been broken time and time again because you created a body off, their backing off. Their mind is being broken very quickly and solidly in the past few months. So why would background say this posture . I mean, you have germany, which is the economic engine of europe. And then you have france, which is the most hardcore military, lets say the troops or existence of the military gear in europe. They, they, armstrong, you know, that about france. But that does not mean that you shouldnt be rattling that sort as much as i get rambling it. I hope that the president , she told him a thing or 2 about how to actually run these days. Because i used to sometimes have the adults in the room and we know went back from that with him. We all know who looked like the adult in the room. So lets go back, lets stop playing these uh, you know, the slow your games with one another. Lets get some solution. Yeah, i agree. I offered, you know, the but if you look at the, the, the predicate of the crown statements and hes got his all over the place. He actually was very conciliatory in the beginning of all of this. Now he just wants to be the hawk in nato. But you know, the, the, the way, the conditions that he said they know if the lines break and the silence he makes the call. Doesnt that tell you that the ukraine is losing and maybe they should try a different strategy. Alfred as well, obviously a credit is losing and they know what theyre putting them selves on under pressure. And this makes me think of another french napoleon i fully understood who did not stop provoking the impressions and his arrogance. Uh, last time. Eventually, just to say, face to declare war on prussia, which he lost in 6 months now. Um we dont ones that we have no clear states that can destroy not only themselves but the rest of humanity. So you need to break that gridlock, you would need to break the pretest. You need to accept the fact that the whether we would like it or not. We live on only one land and we cannot afford to continue with escalation. But its not only mat crohn whos mad it is joe biden. And anthony blanket and all of phillips and his board minister and recei. Uh, so like this for minutes or um, uh, david camera on there are oh, using very belligerent rhetoric. Well, i mean, okay, now the other 2 brought up a camera on ill go to appear menu. Well, i mean, he very, um, uh, loosely said, you know, that, you, you, craig can use whatever british weapons they want and wherever they want, even against rush i brush are proper. And then the, the, the, the response to that is that the russians are saying, well, they will respond to any use of weapons that use against rush are used by the ukrainians. If its use in ukraine or even beyond ukraine. Now that is getting Serious Business here. Go ahead peer emanuel. Yes, a picture looks like on the cheese of, for our western states and the read front. So sort of trying to take the lead, know of the and not cheap for underlying got or you create a new will be the winnings along. Russia should lose football. And this is not operating on the grounds. So regarding the Public Opinion or the relies, there being a top the music interpreting risk of crises from the beginning keeper. Notice they understand more, more about or, or if its not cheap, less fate. And the image in my corner, like over wisdom the just been dont know what to do more to, to steal up your us credit. Or andrew, are the wave of filed is to increase or the, your okesha not chief like crew coaching troops of the wrong. The beating the size or hitching your territory of russia or vote from the french, fun of you, your good or so these are in town or the debates in france wed be a mixed and set you up and part of an approaching wherever the particular bought to be money very cool is very, is gonna lose the bought her because or how somebody on the bonus ronada these main or position be so we still bought, theyre not on buying, looking uh is no but dollar dollars votes expected from the bought to youve made money very much. Okay. So the money in my car would like to reinforce these narrative of being very strongly international say, dont hear me anyway. Let me ask the question. I do young uh french soldiers want to go fight in ukraine. Apparently theyre already there. So im a, i mean i, it would be the, the, the general staff of france will allow them across to make that decision. I mean, or even the people make a decision here that the same, this, the stikes, the mistakes are so high for someone pastoring. Yes. Thats right of each denture was because or it looks like your view, this narrative is increasing and the rising mistakes on india and we dont know because to look pretty boiler or immigrating back home might to be your feel obliged to do something to do to us and really troops of you shortly. We dont know, but are many general are seen for us experts, stacy, issues, shes are, you will be a disaster because france has nothing to come up with each with strategic. Im big. You cheat your need, the youre sure a military company beatitude behind and for us as is not ready for instance that you will. This is why it is so denture was renewal, but to be honest with you, some instruct jobs on the grounds and of it tried to hide this fact. And the question is, would it become Office Charge with troops on the grounds . And the, even though weve been minimum reverse of troops or each would be a disaster, and most of french peeper does that really bucks if you made for the to Card Properties of position does that wed be but, but it would be narrow tv student going on a think on to the end of for your pen it excellence may, may be, well, i mean, you know, its like its good. Let me go to alex back and needs it. It was pretty pathetic if youre doing this kind of calculation based on europe and elections. That the stakes are much higher then these elections coming up here. You know, the problem, alex here is a mac chrome keeps saying russia we should not be allowed to win. Is that a strategy . And what about ukraine . Go ahead. No. I mean, thats a big question. And i, what are the say the rest of the wants to take over all of you create that has never been the, the, the idea. If anything, the 1st move into a key was to do the exact same thing that the americans did announce the cool government. And basically put somebody out the charts with a little bit more common sense of the people that are running the show at the time. For russia to take over you pretty again, that thats not at any Strategic Value to reference goals. Although to the parent, theyre holding the land and the russian speakers with their loss, their rights to speak, their language ross bought their rights to teach their and their kids russian. The was the rights to how theyre signed up in russian. I mean, these are, these are things that we see you have been around the world when you are either ethnic cleansing or youre pushing people out of an area. So or what roger did was defending is people of people that could identify themselves as russian does rush. I have an a, a, basically some sort of idea of going to the very end of your credit of inquiry about missiles pointing out at your russian missiles. Dont have to go up to the border of the youtube to hit their targets. Just like western missiles. Dont have to go up to the board or russia, but for some reason, they thought it would be a good idea to expand the needle you created, which is the biggest level of land next to russia all the way up to the border. And we all know, i think we all know, but were sitting here in a people that are watching this. We know how this started. We know that there were negotiations on the table that this never had to happen. And they all came from the west u. S. Brands and in the head of your people, ive been talking more forever honest with the you out of see all of this is the 1990 this month. Thats the bottom line. We have special Interest Groups in the United States. And beyond that, were making a lot of cash with this. And at the same time, a lot of people are dying and they dont have to send americans and when they can use you credit use as comp 10 potter and those ports facilities are going through. This are absolutely no reason this cant stop. Well, alex, so they can say to you, before i say with you before we go to the break here, what happens if french troops start dying . What is background going to do then . Well, they say that the red pression mercenaries of what, well the power in leaf, and they say is already there. They say the forwarding legions already there of before images ever and young j. C. Up to the canadian aspects of horses or wherever they are in 2014 and im sure theyre, theyre there to some degree right now just like probably alrighty. Im still going to have to jump in here. Were going to go to a hard break and after that hard break will continue our discussion as you can stay with archie, the look forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. A robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. Were such orders at conflict with the 1st law show your mind, anticipation. We should be very careful about our personal intelligence at the point, obviously is to, to makes a trust rather than fit the various job with artificial intelligence. We have somebody with theme and the robot must protect this phone, existence was on the water is part of the valuable posted isnt the defense you of us and that in the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present. Lets stop without collision. Lets go out of the welcome back to the prospect where all things are considered. Im peter lavelle. True mind you were discussing. You create the okay, lets go back to l for the in geneva, which is just for every action there is an equal reaction in the reaction build this loose rhetoric that we have heard of, particularly over the last few new cycles or rush has decided to start the exercise is a, a new killer drills for them to put as a precaution because of the very provocative language coming out of western capitals irresponsible language. I would say, i think we would all agree, but say there is a reaction and this is an escalation. Dont western leaders understand that this is a reaction to their loose rhetoric . Alfred. I know they do not want to understand. I mean, they live in their power level world are parallel reality and the public, the masses are subject to re lend class brain washing. I mean, and its not only New York Times washington post, and then frank, well down defined its, i dont even hear it. Switzerland. You re nonsense in there . No, i have to over to the title and organizations like mine. Im in the dba. International piece research institute, the get rate, we have pulled out a blueprint for peace and ukraine. We have sent it to the all ca for the whole in burn. And of course, you know that we in switzerland i was, was with citizen, we are going to have uh, in may and do this. Um, so called peace conference of the builder and stuck on lake road south. Now they are going to be a lot of blueprints for piece. The 10 point plan of uh, sure landscape is delusional. Absolutely. Uh, disconnected, uh, from reality. But the truck point point uh, plan of the chinese is good. The 10 point blind, all the africans is good. Uh, the International Progress organization has put off that very good plan also told francis had put out a plan. So uh, there are ideas out there. And my hope is that if enough states participate, obviously russia is not going to participate. Thats clear. But uh, if uh say the presence of china and india and south africa and brazil and mexico etc might lead the conference to this car. The 10 point applying of isolated scale, its totally unrealistic. I start to look for possibilities of a compromise. Well, it is, its interesting now for that, you mentioned a number of the countries around the world, the energy individual, the pope, in organizations that have a blueprint to start the process of ending this complex here. Im going to go to appear menu. All right. Now, um, but no western leader does that no western lead, no one in nato. Does that and put in. So now direct tag i add on permanent said, hey, hang on, hang on, im putting. So now you ration, he said russia remains open to dialogue and its up to the other side to decide how to move forward appearing menu. Well, i mean, where is the, the, the piece plan from the biden, people from cameron from sergeant schultz. Where is it . They never use that language of, of ending this conflict and maintaining security for all players. They never talk about language. Go ahead in brussels. Yeah. So unfortunately for extinction, european Member States of natal are not through the silver ring anymore. And resp or are they your i think they use this feeling more or while you are g 2 up to your us. Um or why are to be 0 attempting system and with a run . Can wed be nate to lunch with any independent voters . And this is like your, the, your pants are competing to be the best artist of washington. And are trying to also at the same time, a true sheet or of, of back to you in case of for trunk will be elected because they seem to the United States really less um, less itd be present in europe enough. S. But thats a sick time, very your, the photo, the main, your part of the car objectives of, of washington. And its likely they want to find a nice and to be sure. Or the hey, monique, of washington in europe, and to, to found val owned leadership weaving, or vis, systemic or the west on the dominus, weve out to try to find any, your end of this conflict. Be glad to hear menu. Well, i, i dont want to, i dont want to be too insulting here, but is there any leadership in europe at all . I mean, you know, you see this background. He is, hes what hes channeling his entered the gall, he cant find it. Um, cameron is no churchill, i mean, where is leadership in europe . I mean, theyre all replaced. Well, you could take the Prime Minister from finland and put them in italy. It wouldnt, no one would notice. Go ahead go. Exactly. So the closer, the better to kind of cross easier of a very your low quality to be frank. Those seems the departure of the board. And for us on more more youve been seeing president on the front small more lines on the uh, i would say, or under sex on the water, we go to bed heavy or independent voice and or it might even more cool or sure does in the in the experience of the read crises of low instruction on whether last president with experience in war and or they use it, they dont understand this new merchant put on war because they come from in the ideal g. Carter butler upfront it should do it takes the lead was your project, but you is dependent on a tool and west of the maintenance and the, the cabinet done on the stand up to position themselves in this new emergency put out well emerging, were actually due is losing power on the left side only. Uh and hardwood cvt close the is making a b i the rest of our the wait, we have the polish official them wanting to host the american nucular missiles on their soil. I mean, what country in the world is we dont we want, we want to be a target for in a new killer war i, i just, i cant understand that whatsoever. Why would you want to do that . Unless you want to just curry favor, you want it, you want it, youre giving a nod to washington. You. Where are you . Where are your guys in europe . The get the french but yet the germans. Poland will stand with you. I mean, this is insanity red and the russians are not going to react to it. Really go ahead and why dont we need to talk . Suppose people, instead of the post politics is, which are almost obviously bar. I dont think the if you talk to anybody thats close anywhere here, youre of a, theyre both. Oh, youre very different story about their feelings to whats happening in ukraine. Theyre, theyre still in some sense in the, the, you and in europe. If you look at the end of the line, theyre looking at the hungary, if youre looking into carissa, you listen to some of their politicians. These are people that have seen it, especially the crisis i get outside of the you talking to serve use, you know theres, theres this whole. Ready mythology, that serbia somehow attached to, to rush to like it by them dont hold court its, its not there. Theres people that are pro and anti rush and serbia as well as increases. But these are countries that see war, they know what its about, that theyre politicians that are now leading. Those stations know exactly what happens and th