The benghazi louder. The white houses response. It is disturbing that these documents were hidden. The email that you are talking about are explicitly benghazi. The fate of more than 200 mystery. The hard line separatists, bokaharam is believed to be behind the attack. Another man accused of killing a teenager who broke into his home. Prosecutors believe the couple set a trap. Its easy to secondguess. At that moment, he believed he had no other choice. There is nothing wrong with a force. Two sky divers leap from the worlds tallest building in dubai. We begin tonight with stunning images out of ukraine. Prorussian protesters stormed a state Prosecutors Office in donetsk throwing rocks and overwhelming police attempting to defend the building. Vladimir putin called on ukraine to pull troops out of some parts of the country, separatists. Via skype from donetsk, simon, good of you to join us. These pictures are just horrifying. I know you wrote in your piece for the post that donetsk is getting closer to mob rule . Yeah. I mean it does feel like that. The police were utterly humiliated today by sort of stickwielding and rockthrowing mob, and, you know, you have to the leaders of that mob were very, very ex plicit. They were outside the Police Station earlier in the day. They said, we are holding a referendum on may the 11th. After that referendum, the police answer to us. If they dont answer to us, we will remember it. They then went to the state Prosecutors Office where a few dozen riot police were guarding the office, and they forced their way in past the riot police who were in disarray, having their shields taken off. They tried to mount a defense there was tear gas, rocks thrown, a crowd at their back shouting fascists and at any raters. The police were could youering on the ground with the shields over their heads and stripped to their riot gear and led away with their heads bowed. Its amazing to see that picture of them all together in what seemed like a hut of shields trying to protect assailants. This isnt the first time the police have basically been impotent. There was a proukrainian march where the police did nothing. Right. Absolutely. On that day maybe they thought they could they could curry favor with the prorussian separatists. But it hit home today. The police have been criticized boy both sides. To be fair, the police are underpaid, completely demoralized. I have spoken to several in the last few days. Its a corrupt force, lets face it, too because they dont get much money. In a difficult position but, you know, the Ukrainian Government is blaming them for not doing more to stand up to the separatists and the separaterists blaming them for making the slightest attempt to be newtral. So, its a pretty sorry position to be in if you are a policeman in Eastern Ukraine at the moment. The government said its helpless to deal with the prorussian activists. Where do you see things going . Its clear who is in control in donetsk at the moment. They are not administering the city but its these men with sticks and whatever. And guns, you know, men with pistols there as well today. Not the shots anymore. Reallya preventing anybody else from having a say. The proukrainian groups her trying to have another rally, after the first one was so badly broken up. The last one was so violently broken up the day before. You cant hold a rally because its a threat to the people of donetsk for you to hold a peaceful rally. So, you know, only one side is allowed to hold rallies at the moment. A frightening situation there. Appreciate you taking the time to join us. . Pleasure. Now to pressure classes between vans, a retired general and the white house over the 2012 benghazi attack that killed four americans. The white house insisted for days following the attack that it was sparked by an antimuslim video like others in the region that day and that it was not a planned act of terror. But in testimony before the House Oversight committee thursday, retired Robert Lovell disputed that. What we did know quite early on was that this was a hostile action. This was no demonstration gone terribly awry. To the point of what happened, the facts led to the conclusion of a terrorist attack. General lovell also said the military should have tried to react to the attack those u. S. Forces were not in a position to immediately respond and that the state department delayed the ultimate decision to deploy deploy. Armed services schmidt chairman buck mckean disagreed with general lovells testimony adding, we have no evidence that terror. A justreleased talking points email prepared for then u. N. Ambassador susan rice to use on sunday talk shows following the attacks proved the white house had tried to spin the story to its advantage. Among the points, rice was to convey that the u. S. Is doing everything we can to product our people and facilities abroad and more controversially though underscore these protests are rooted in an internet video an polipolicy. Darrell isa blasted the email and the white house failure to supply it until a lawsuit forced its release. The white house produced the talking points that ambassador rice used, not the intelligence community. It is disturbing and perhaps criminal that these documents, the documents like these were hidden by the Obama Administration from congress and the public alike. For more, i am joined from washington, d. C. By general mark kimmet, former secretary of state for middle east policy, assistant secretary of state for Political Military Affairs and tribute and by jim warren, good of both of you to be with us on the show. I will start with you. Linedsay gram said about this talking points email, and i quote it 69s two months before the president ial election. Does he have a point . No. He does not have a point. He has an example of classic, almost grotesque political hyperbole he repeated. He is paying sanchez to done quixote to senator mccain. They have gone off of the rails, the many reports that have been done on this, as mark also knows, including back in january, a Bipartisan Senate select Intelligence Committee report, which concluded that there was no, you know, that there was no cynical political attempt to why hold this email back . You know, very good question. I dont know because if you look at the actual timeline of emails from that day, antonio that have already been out for months and look at where in the day this thing was written, it simply follows in some ways, in some sentences word for word, emails that we have already known about, mostly from the cia that, you know, passed along the notion now we realize swhou erroneous but a notion that the cia believed in for a period of time including their station chief in libya that this is it in some fashion was a function of mobs inspired by that antiislamic video. So, i dont know why they i dont know why they waited. If they had have given this up months ago, it would not have been notable at all. So the only thing of note here is that for some reason, they held back on it. Substantively, it offers us absolutely nothing new. General chemmet, general lovell it was for the africa amendment if it knew it was a terrorist attack from the start and Senior Defense officials were informed of that, shouldnt the white house have known that, too . Well, i think there is still a little more explaining that needs to be done with regards to what was known, when it was known inside the white house and how that turned into a series of sunday talk shows that tried to explain this. White house spokesperson jay carney has insisted that the white house changed little when this came to the talking points. If you go through the timeline, isnt there evidence that the talking points referred to and terrorists in benghazi, that that was removed by the state department and that politics and spin did have some role here because former deputy cia director mike moorel said when he heard roos talk about the video on the sunday show that his reaction d, you know, he was surprised surprised . Yeah, i think the number two on the ground in libya, in the state department, the deposit team chief felt the same way so it would seem that given that there is still some uncertainty about what was done that resulted in thousands those five sunday talk shows, even though there have been some congressional hearings, new evidence that was redacted up to this point. It may be worthwhile for both sides to sit down at the table and find out what really happened here. General ran, he said we should have tried to do something to help our people in benghazi although peopit was shown that there wasnt much in the way of military assets in place. He said we always have to ride to the sound of the guns. General, your reaction to that . That sounds pretty good in a rambo movie, but had we rushed off, pel mel into an ambiguous situation without the proper intelligence or planning, we may not be talking about a situation here where. 4 people were killed but we could have had the extraction forces, rescue forces killed as well because in a russia to do something, you rush to failure. Thats a Cardinal Rule in the military you dont make that kind of mistake. You soberly, quickly and as rapidly as possible address the situation but dont just run over the top of the heal because something. Killed. Mark and antonio, if you listen closely alleges later to lovells own testimony upon interrogation by congressman colley, he said something conley when he was different, said given the resources we had at the time, could we have stopped this . No. No. Thats sort of one of the three key questions in all of this, i think. A, was there Adequate Security at that place . B, given the resources, could we have stopped it and, 3, had we, the white house, been lying . I think its the concenof fire mind would folks there was insufficient security but there was, you know, no trail of desseat, no coverup and given the minimal resources they could not have stopped this the minimal resources they could not have stopped this. Lets talk to jay listen to jay carney talking about this new email . The documents released through a foya request that include the email are explicitly about the broader areas separate from the attack on benghazi, a q and a about the protests happening in tunis, everywhere. Those broader areas are mentioned, but the purpose of the memo was to prepare ambassador to support the white house line that it wasnt connected to darerism when the white house had claimed it had alqaeda on the run. So are you as convinced as jim that there wasnt any polit sizing here . Well, i just still am left with a question if that information was so important that it is now being revealed, why was it redacted, and why did it take a foia request . Talk about politicizing, is this latest focus on benghazi the republicans polit sizing trying to keep the story alive . Certainly al political weapon against Hillary Clinton if she rungs for president in 2016 . Yeah. Let me say when i say, you know, not political, i mean this is of a president ial campaign. In the sense, in the hot house, everything is seen through a political lens. Doesnt mean when you send someone on the sunday talk shows to intentionallily. And to your broader question, for the republicans, its all parts of a larger thesis that they have i think in some cases, very sincerely of continuous deceit and dissembly by the white house and its agencies and whether its somehow shafting the tea party and the irs if in cincinnati or undue federal to sole solendra, the solar panel outfit and then you throw in their belief that obama has not been successful in the war on debatable. You mix that with the possibility that the person was a secretary of state at the time of this is likely, if she runs, you know, the favorite to beat whomever they put up for president. And, you know, you have a pretty steamy political mix. Certainly has gotten heated this week. Jim ran mark kimmet. Thanks antonio. To the disappearance of Malaysia Flight 370, a skimpy report on the investigation. It raises serious questions, though why did it take air Traffic Controllers 17 minutes before knowing that they had lost contact with the plane . And why did it take four hours after the final conversation with the cockpit to alert search andretive u teams . The report also offered the likely flight path for the plane once it went off course showing it turned back from the South China Sea, cut across the southern tip of thailand and then flew across the malaysian peninsula before going west and flying beyond military rad arizonaded detection down to the southern reaches of the indian ocean. Not a single piece of the plane has yet to be pounds. New audio of the last voice communication from the flight gave no indication of problems or anything sinister on board ending with these words malaysian 370. Joining us from phoenix, arizona former American Airlines pile lolt lot jim tilman, earning the rask of captain. Jim, it is good to see you. Thank you for doing this for us. Some disturbing things. Precious time was lost first because the plane clearly wasnt being watched closely. Seventeen minutes before anyone noticed that the plane was missinging . Is that normal when a plane is transfer from controllers in one country to controllers in another . No. Its not. I have heard some analysts say this is a time when you might have the a lapse in communication. Extent. I got to tell you, your life is in the hands of air Traffic Control and they know that. They monitor your airplane just as they would take care of a yuk child. And they make sure that its in the right place and they give you all of the information you well. That didnt happen here. The next problem the report brings up is that once they realize there was an issue with the plane, Malaysian Airlines apparently told controllers that the plane was in cam bodesian airspace even though the flight cambodia. Caused more delays. How did that happen . I have no idea how they came up with cambodia. There is no evidence that they found a blip or anything else on radar that showed the aircraft over cambodia. I mean, some of these things coming out of this report are, well, in keeping with the way they have been running this investigation da day 1. Yeah. It really is terrible. The result of all of this was that there was a fourhow delay before there was an initial alert to rescuers, making matters worse, the defense minister and Prime Minister werent notified until nine hours later that the plain after the plane had vanished it had turned and gone west. One question for you is, then, why in those early days, if they did know, even though it was nine hours later, they did know that first day that the plane had gone west, why was there so much focus on the South China Sea in the first few days . Well, you have said a lot of things there. And one of the thinks that youre showing is a tremendous difference in the way things are handled there and particularly in this investigation, and the way they are handled here in the United States. Let me just say in their defense and they dont have much of a defense but i will say what i can. You know, there was a time when most of us know of some villages or communities where you didnt lock your front door. Its because you never had any burglaries, you never had any problems, everybody trusted everybody, and its that kind of being lulled into a safe security that isnt real anymore. I think that malasia just may be one of those countries that has been living on this attitude that, we dont have to really worry in the sense that the u. S. Does and the u. K. Would have to. So they just didnt have their protocols. They didnt have their mindset. They didnt have a culture that said to them, you know what . I dont know where that airplane is. Lets find it. Lets get on it. One of the results of this preliminary report is much shorter than preliminary reports have been in other major accidents. The report did suggest one safety recommendation to prevent this from happening again, losing a plane Realtime Tracking of airplanes. I think most people thought we had that until this all happened because the recommendations had been made in the past. William, we do have that to a large extent and it depends upon where you are and route will take you. They have a system in europe that works quite well. I understand canada has one they are working on and ours is called nexgen, a very fine approach toward taking care of these issues that will go away as soon as we have that positive identification is that streams data consistent. I am told ours was on the chopping block for around. Maybe around 20 20. So difficult and sad for the families as this has been going on for some long with no resolution. Now on Malaysian Airlines told relatives they have to move out of the hotels where they had them. A lot of heartbreak there. You know, i dont know how any of those people have made it this far. They have been jerked around. They have been told this and been told that. They have been given information that turned out not to even be true. They have been misled in every way you can be. They have had an emotional rollercoaster. Its been terrible for them. And my heart goes out to them. A lot of this was totally unnecessary. Jim tilman, it is very good of you to join us . Thank you. A tragic case thats ignited another firestorm on stand your ground laulz and has people on both sides of the issue trying line. Hundreds of girls recordt reportedly sold as slaves. Hermella is tracking the top stories on the web. Whats trending . Seattles mayor is looking to more than double the federal minimum wage. Some people say it goes too far. I will tell you more coming up. Are you following us on twitter yet . You can let us know what you think throughout the show by tweeting to us at ajconsiderthis. Our Current System has gone very far awry. Theres huge pressure on the police to arrest and find somebody guilty i think the system is going to fail a lot of other people. You convicted the wrong person i find that extraordinarily disappointing. To keep me from going to jail, i needed to cooperate. Somebody can push you in a Death Chamber its not a joke the system with