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BBC Radio 4 FM BBC Radio 4 FM January 29, 2020 110000

B.b.c. News at 11 o'clock up to 200 British citizens being flown back from the Chinese province of Cuba where the corona virus outbreak began or to be put into quarantine it's understood their flight will arrive in the u.k. Tomorrow the Foreign Office has advised against all but essential travel to the Chinese mainland prompting British Airways to suspend flights the number of infected stands at nearly 6132 people have died Russia says it's working with China to develop a vaccine for the new virus one of several such efforts around the World Health Institute in Australia says it successfully grown the virus after taking a sample from a patient it could take at least a year for any vaccine to become available to the public. The Syrian army says it's recaptured a strategically important town and it led Syria's last rebel held province the fall of. After 7 years in rebel hands was announced on state television our Middle East analyst Alan Johnston reports according to the Syrian army it approached man a new man from 3 sides the military says it clashed heavily with Jihad the fighters who withdrew to the north ceding control of the town to the government it straddles a major highway that's been an objective for the army as it's pushed slowly through provinces in recent weeks ahead of the advance hundreds of thousands of civilians have fled the fighting in strikes many families are struggling to cope in camps and makeshift shelters near the Turkish border in what is a growing humanitarian crisis president of Turkey has denounced Donald Trump's plan for peace in the Middle East saying it ignores Palestinians rights he said the idea of making Jerusalem Israel's undivided capital was unacceptable because the city is sacred to Muslims Apple has posted record quarterly results driven by strong demand for its new i Phone sales in the last 3 months of $29000.00 rose by 8 percent year on year to more than $70000000000.00 pounds b.b.c. News this is b.b.c. Radio 4 now despite rumors gossip and social media frenzy a gay footballer from the top of English football has yet to reveal their sexuality but openly gay players are part of the women's game including the national team now on b.b.c. Radio 4 Beth Myers asks what the men's game should lend from its female counterparts in my name is. My name is bet Miles and last summer I was photographic Glastonbury in my England pint glass in hand celebrating England piecing Norway in the women's World Cup. If I so enviro which was wild the Lionesses lost in the semifinals but the profile of the women's game thanks to the team and American players like Meghan Robina is the highest ever. There is a dedicated women Super League games are shown on t.v. And last summer nearly 12000000 people watched the Lionesses play in the World Cup semifinal. A number of the squads and other players within the w s l openly gay bisexual quit and this just isn't focused on within media but it's totally different in the men's game. Despite rumors and what feels like almost an obsession to know who it is that hasn't yet been a male professional player who has come out publicly. And say I moved to London about 4 years ago and I was introduced to a football team for women and non-binary people could go to his f.c. We train on a Wednesday night at a school in north London and that's where we're at tonight so what I can see is around 40 or so women from different ages different abilities and that's the key to gold because there's an ethos of gold diggers is that we're creating an inclusive environment for women and non-binary people to play football it's based on accessibility rather than ability we. Were frequently 60 people that train on a Wednesday I mean it's a sense of that community of people who love football and who encourage one another you know in relation to the game and also just sort of generally really. Nice. So. Go to guess 4 years ago. Although everyone. Here is one of our senior coaches plays for Captain f.c. . I was saying to. Go to guess about a year and a half ago and it's been a wonderful experience for me in London but understand who is a go and how amazing that is yes so I saw the team basically because I was honestly just fed up being told that it was a man's game and again that was May be told that since a very young age when I was one of the best not bragging but it's. On the best in my mixed team and then as the narrative goes I was kicked out aged I think I was around 12 because they I was told it was a sport for me and I used to pass boys in the park and Phil extremely jealous of them and wish I was a boy I could play football it's a place for everyone basically to make football a place for everyone in every sense of the word so yeah it's been the community I've got the friends I made and the change I can see in people's confidence is just outstanding and makes me truly so so happy and so proud of what we've achieved as a player for the community. This is my question around why is there not a professional footballer this whereas you know at least 5 of the Linus is openly gay and they were already bus knowledge it's not explore but they're also not championed as someone I'm personally I'm a lesbian if I were a men's gain I've been made to feel like it's not a space for me if I was that my girlfriend I would never in public and that's really really sad. In a time when we should be allowed to do that but actually it feels like you 2nd. When you step backwards. As soon as someone's will take it and pay them money and. Whatever goes. As you know whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas kind of and sure they have in the state. And I think you like such on matters like Myspace where a lot of a consumer phobic as in this terminology you have with. Us you're listening you're not. Like basically a hotbed of toxic masculine So you know where like that behavior is not only like turned a blind eye and it's actually encouraged and it's actually supported and it's actually like I made a joke out of someone who coaches men and women like the new young boys and young girls is starts at such a young age like the way young boys speak to each other on the little bit just like you discussed and just makes me so angry especially in the men's game. Every strategy is seen as a weakness you know something which. Is. But it's not weakness it's so hard to come out I'm sure you guys will agree but I'm the heart of things in my life was coming out and for so long I tried to commit myself that I was right and I tried very hard and it's hard and I think that's the amount of strength it takes to be up on your board to come out and to know that. Your family will be. And to come out of strength it's going to take for a professional man to come out. Of the scrutiny that you're like This is literally an obsession of. Not. It's not a situation in which it. Is going to be championed Yes just so much pressure. On are investigating reports of homophobic chanting during Saturday's game against Chelsea in a statement the result of being fined 7 pounds and $500.00 pounds and ordered to take action after fans chanted homophobic abuse at for much they are frightened for . The mix during yesterday's match and subsequently arrested behind my back abuse and I remember. Yeah Ok so. In the school Social Sciences University my research focuses on. Broadly in Men's Christian football with a specific focus. Towards homosexuality last year Dr McGrath published the power of masculinity in sports which he concluded by saying that the majority of football fans and players would be supportive if a male footballer came out 1st glance it looks like things are getting worse yet at the same time. From a more nuanced perspective it also shows that people are becoming less tolerant of these issues happening inside stadia as well some talking about professional level certainly for reports of discrimination inside stadia in professional game shows I think that you know people are less willing now to put up with these issues another 4 more likely to report it which again is in a kind of a paradoxical way is further evidence of progress it shows that our attitudes generally have improved so much that we are willing to put up with homophobia by phobia were transferred via I think the proof will eventually be when an openly gay male play does come out of this with an obsession I suppose over he's going to be the fust. A professional player in the u.k. And I think that obviously statistically there are many. If not choose as your research suggests have shifted you know that attitude that they're accepting of it even if they partake in them if they that chanting which is something that I can't wrap my head around why really how someone could feel sesson way that still kind of engage in that kind of behavior but I think it's kind of yes and I think one of the biggest. Complexities I think that football has is in the men's game again I should stress is that there is no target as such because there are a number of any gay male players also that may well be a target because a player has been diving or has been alleged to be weak if he's pretending to be injured or whatever so often they are the target but I do wonder whether or not if a player comes out in the program at the top level whether or not language would continue on the basis that now there is a target that someone could potentially be offended by it or someone could potentially be affected by it because the reason I've been a player on the pitch because it goes away speculation so we'll never really know until it happens. And Regent's Park and there's lots of grassroots but we teams are out playing on him and would. Last year was a really brilliant of the World Cup and given the recognition. Fantastic I think one thing that we. Probably are. Going to be. And I certainly feel frustrated because we're in the women's game. At the professional level. Yet and then also champion for that that media environment is deeply unhelpful at the moment it just kind of. Kind of sensationalist kind of hyped up coverage of the topic just makes it harder for anyone who might be can mulling over their options and then the contrast in the women's game actually there's very little spotlight I think actually the kind of the lack of media focus probably does make it easier for women to be themselves and to be who they are but it also means they don't get to be role models here is big an audience as possible is a real shame you know if you think about can you make an appeal. Here and the global superstar she is so much more than any of perhaps more relatable women. She might be able to be a more realistic role model for young people kind of growing up in men's football it's a really different picture that lack of representation kind of mean that you know young young boys playing football may not see themselves sticking with the game and clearly will have impact some people kind of following through. On a continuing life I guess kind of thinking you know it's my path in football if there's no one who's taken it before Stonewall have been and continue to work with the f.a.a. And the rainbow laces. Campaign is now a regular part of the football season Robbie told me that the governing bodies are making positive strides and taking more responsibility to tackle the homophobic racist transphobia and other abuse that keeps me and other football fans away from the men's game my producer Richard manages his sons under 11. I'm very conscious of what. We say about it struck a nerve you should show those physical attributes of a muscular. Do you sense those ideas around muscular need to change and I think they are changing but nowhere near fast enough and when you think about how police organized how far away your son's under 11 team is from any of these kind of big institutions that are starting to have these conversations a lot of this relies on individuals whether an individual is kind of switched on to the idea that maybe it isn't was helpful to say man toughen up don't cry like a go all of these words that we all know are offensive I think sometimes in football we think it's an Ok environment to use that kind of language and you know sometimes it might be seen as a last pasty and of masculinity. Point was really interesting which is because there are women who are in women's game that is an issue with him figure within the women's game and actually that could be quite dangerous perhaps kind of misconception there's a positive in the sense that it seems that there are more players that have felt able to come out but that's likely because yes they're being less focus on the on the women's game which then means that jumping these players that are a fantastic role models for young people you know that there is not support and not focus on these brilliant players in these brilliant stories. Well this is an important day for Bali Not only do they face a vital local derby against fierce rivals Jews break but that Captain Keegan Hurst has become the 1st professional rugby league player to announce that he is guy. He can host came up publicly in 2015 he's a rugby league player and was captain of. The times when it came 2015. Private life a few months before it was very public newspapers and things. You know always was it was difficult obviously. My ex-wife had. A farm where the family went to almost all the kids. And it's only sex so when I grew up. In a was. Demonstrated to me buying them off my mum brought me up on a row we were bringing my sister my dad was never around. Guess I never really other a father figure role model I was read a lot of books and I guess I love the history so maybe my idea of what the money's came from from books I guess I thought that I out. And the men that were in my life whether that was play is you know a lot of dogs who I played we've all my friends dogs we're all very. Muscular very stereotypical muscular in the sense of you know if the show dog in the said they were helping our center when he compared men and women's football you got to look at the difference in the fan base not only the size but the makeup of their who's going to watch women's football who's going to watch men's football because people are going to watch men's football by and large. Men. Straight men very not as something about society and what's going on outside and so I think this is an ignorance in the family base that perpetuates a fear him play as he can now uses his experiences of playing in the much a world of rugby to speak to young people especially young footballers a professional club academies so when I go and speak to the academies I'm talking to lads who are between 16 and 2122 so there is a wide range of experiences and you know you can go talk to. Called like Sheffield and we've got lots from London and have got you know lots from abroad as well of being and sports clubs where they've got European lads in and obviously there are huge to all of us gay people and might be different in the country where they're coming from and you know you can judge the reactions of every shock all I just a decent dress and sizes but by and large the odds. Are really receptive and it's come down really really well across European football there are more owners and sponsors from countries where homosexuality is seen as wrong or worse still illegal I think that money plays a big part and then you know you look at where the money from football comes from and a lot of it I mean is coming from the Middle East and you look at. That views on homosexuality there's a lot countries where people. Kill for it in general which we in this country a lot more would probably and certainly law countries that as a as a big imparts there's just so many things affecting it we did speak to want to expand the economics of sports he spends a lot of time in the Middle East he told us he had witnessed homophobic comments while sting could tell the host of the next men's World Cup. His view is that financial influence from these countries as well as Russia and China across all sports is only going to Greg the boardings clock and Sullivan thank you for joining us here reports out this morning my apologies for the slight late running in October 26th seen the chairman of the Football Association Greg Clarke was called before the department the Culture Media and Sport select committee one question that was asked was why there weren't any male professional footballers who are out I would be nice to we haven't got a place in the Premier League and I am personally I I'm personally a shame but they don't feel safe to come out why do they feel safe to commit I think what we have in football is a cross-section of society when you get a sample size of 4000010 percent of the population but 10 to 10 in 2 or 300 general population I watched David Beckham 15 years ago running you know on the volley of The View Siegel because he was dating a pop star of the time may now say to the stomach if I was a gay man why would only expose myself to that so all chill is to identify anybody guilty of persecuting in any way members of a minority an ethnic minority a sexual maturity or age and the women get volunteers to our job is the regulators to come down like a ton of bricks and make sure that that sort of Abrahamian is driven from the guy that was Eva 3 years ago and still a male professional footballer hasn't felt able to come out. The Football Association didn't want to take part in the program but did tell us that the f.a. Is committed to tackling homophobia by fair and transfer in football at every level of the game we continue to work with partners across the game such as stonewall and l. G.b.t. Fan groups to encourage fans and players to report abuse both at a national and county f.a. Level and work with the league's campaign groups and the statutory agencies to sanction and educate perpetrators so I'm here with manual but do you know who's a sports agent who works across football and rugby and has worked with the likes of Thomas and Robbie Rogers and Keegan Hurst we've spoken to you previously in terms of them coming out I wonder if you have any female sports people who have come up I have worked with female sports women and female footballers that are openly gay yeah and it's really interesting to see how come to a feel in their environment and you can look at it and you think I wish I could feel the same female football in its current form is a very new shiny package you know the crowd has started to come now but that's quite a new thing whereas historically the men's game has been established for a long time there are historic stories of the fear of the terraces and the abuse you look at the racism in football so I think the very nature of the 2 sports and the history of the sports mean that the men in the women's sport is is very different and almost in comparable the nature of footballers and football supporters won't really change and no one be educated unless they have their force to be educated i.e. Someone comes out as gay someone maybe abuses they get kicked out the ground the chief exec and David Beckham equivalent speaks and sits us or effect and suddenly you see a movement of wow you know I can't do this anymore he told me if and when a male footballer chooses to come out there will be huge commercial support from brands who would fall over themselves to be associated with them. Given the number of female players who are out is gay it feels disheartening to me that these players are not given the same support or profile I suppose one thing feels disappointing as a gay female football player and football fan my assumption would be that any commercial benefit an upside would be much less than if it was a male footballer that's a really interesting question and I think that being gay in the women's football game I do actually think although it's there are more openly gay fema

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