Ireland 6 Nations rugby fixture against Italy won't go head next month because of concerns about the virus Phillip Brown is the chief executive of the Irish Rugby Football Union at the meeting we were informed that the national public health emergency team has determined that the series of matches should not proceed in the interests of public health will immediately begin to work with our 6 Nations partners to look at the possibility of research will in those 3 matches I would hope to have an operation on the us in the coming days the former chancellor Sajid Javid has set out why he decided to quit his post telling M.P.'s that a demand by Boris Johnson that he sat all his special advisers wasn't in the national interest in his resignation statement Mr Javid said cabinet ministers had to be able to give candid advice to the prime minister and speak truth to power he also urged the government to stick to its fiscal rules Downing Street has responded by insisting ministers would continue to have a clear fiscal framework a coroner has opened and adjourned an inquest into the fatal shooting of sudep man who was shot by police after he stabbed 2 bystanders in south west London earlier this month shortly before the attack the 20 year old had been released from prison mid-way through a sentence for terror offenses The incident prompted American say legislation aimed at preventing automatic release for such offenders. The inquiry into the ground fell tower disaster is to resume next week after the attorney general gave an undertaking that all evidence from individual witnesses can't be used in any future prosecution against them the survivors group Grenfell United has criticised the decision accusing corporate lawyers of trying every trick in the book b.b.c. News and all Rajan will be looking at the new wave of political magazines in the media show at half past 4 but 1st his time to join Laurie Taylor for thinking aloud . As I remember I was just 14 when I took my 1st political stand a gang of us from the 4th Form went along to an election meeting which was to be addressed by Sir Malcolm Bullock The prospective conservative m.p. For the Crosby area of Liverpool at the time I don't think part of the any of us had profound political opinions we simply founded a bit of heckling as I remember shouting out Gerry built every time the counter that referred to his party's plan to build 300000 new homes but we must have been a thought a nuisance because of the end of the meeting the ancient chairman who was flanked on stage by a large Union Jack pointed directly at our row of seats and declared how Nowell if you are truly British would you stand for the national anthem Well that must be in the 1st explicit definition of Britishness I've ever encountered short and to the point you were only property British if you were a conservative and a royalist back then other rather less politically minded definitions of British an assumed came crowding into my life I gradually gathered that it was probably British not to like spicy food not to be fluids in the language not to wave your arms around when he was speaking he was heard thoroughly British too like queues pay their fair play complain about every sort of weather and be ready to any time for a comforting cup of tea and a custard cream. But such national idiosyncrasies where obviously far too trivial phone to insubstantial when it came to do considering the relative Britishness of this country's new Asian and Caribbean immigrants something much more sophisticated was needed certainly something most sophisticated in the templates test in which it was considered not British for an Asian or Caribbean immigrant to support their native countries cricket team and so the British citizenship tests. And yes at last an objective test which will discover your precise degree of Britishness and here are some sample questions from that very test you ready then to new paper now and do please write clearly question one before becoming king Henry the 7th was known as Henry chewed Henry Stewart's Henry of York Henry of Norfolk. Sorry time's up your next question which British writer wrote satirical novels including Decline and Fall Graham Greene Robert Louis Stevenson Evelyn war Charles Dickens. Time's Up next question which statement is true about the Beatles and The Rolling Stone as they are funky music groups from the 1970 s. They all pop music groups in the 1980 s. They are pop music groups in the 1960 s. They all rock music groups in the 1970 s. . That said yes a random selection of questions trump a pretty typical British citizenship test Well what prompted the introduction of such tests how much do such tests improve the integration of immigrants which immigrant groups to particularly well as them and what have the officer effects of the test on successful candidates well they're all questions from my 1st class today he's David Barton He's associate professor in the poem decision at the University of Leicester and he's the author of a research paper in The Journal says geology entitled The u. K. Citizenship process political integration whole marginalise ation David let's just go back to the very 1st rumblings when people 1st had an idea of a citizenship test for immigrants and it would go back to the late ninety's doing so in the late ninety's with the initial years of the Blair government there was there was interest in citizenship education in general to be done in schools when so much about immigrants right away but then in 2001 we had the unrest in some of these northern cities in England that some people called the riots these riots were cast in ethnic terms or sometimes racial terms where the idea was we start to think about people living so-called separate lives or parallel lives and his concerns about subtle cohesion and what it didn't really. Do politically to blame those that that unrest on on the sort of the native white British population instead you had to blame the immigrants for failing to integrate properly so the idea was well we need to do something to get them to be more similar more integrated in some particular way or Ok so that we then introduce the 1st citizenship tests which is a requirement passing the test is a requirement not naturalization I think that that's 2002 when the law was passed in 2002 and implemented in 2005 to 2005 people start taking this test to become u.k. Citizens a good idea in principle. It's not exactly clear why you'd want to know that the test is actually going to have some sort of positive outcome I mean it's not clear that the whole point of the positive outcome for immigrants was even so much the point it's really more directed towards an audience of natives white British natives who are worried about immigration so then the point is the government can say well we understand your concerns and are doing something about it to sort of make things better for you I mean the idea is the more you know about the country or in the light greater the likelihood that you will want to participate in that country's affairs I suppose it would be you I mean the Watson research which suggests this might not be the case where there's a number of ways to read what's on the test I mean even before you get into research on the actual of the people who actually take it you can say well what's going on with with imposing a requirement for a test like that and there's a way of reading that that says well it only makes sense to require people to go through a test and ask them questions about so-called life in the u.k. If you worry that they might not actually know enough if they might not pass so he can think about a test of that sort as carrying some stigma and signaling a deficiency among the people that you impose that requirement on it so we stick stigmatizing people not so much in integrating Are you saying that I think you argue the earlier out of this the test which is the practical element to it I mean helping immigrants for navigate their way around the unfamiliar society but over time they developed into the sort of factoids I was reciting before and so coming from Leicester one of the ones I like best is what year did Richard the 3rd die and somehow apparently it's supposed to help you be a u.k. Citizen if you know that the answer is 1485 I'm not sure how I never figured that one out but again Lester people like this one you point out that pos rates vary considerably among the people who sit these test people from certain countries funny much harder to past Tell me about this so it's relatively easy for for example Americans Canadians and other it's people that have that all. To come here with good levels of English pass rates are much lower for people from Afghanistan from Bangladesh from Iraq etc And again this probably has quite a lot to do with Englishman part of the point of the requirement was that people were encouraged to to learn enough English before they could gain u.k. Citizenship I mean that seems reasonable on the face of it except that it's not clear to me that requiring a test does all that much to actually encourage people to learn English people want to learn English they have busy lives it's not so clear that the test actually succeeds in that respect or in citizenship often defined as having 4 components status you know whether you're eligible for a passport or not rights participation identity but the longing now in your study the sort of we're going to talk about now it's the 1st of its kind you're exploring participation in the impact on people who've been through new citizenship process we're talking about namely whether it's in homes their contribution to British Avik and political life so tell me little about your research and your findings here people go through those tests to pass those tests do we find them getting more intimately involved than before in British life in politics so I've got survey data on roughly a 1000 people going back to 2010 and we then move forward 6 years and we get data from the same people so we can see how they change over time roughly 40 percent of that group about a 1000 people that they've gone ahead and become u.k. Citizens so you can compare what they do to what is done by the people who remain non-citizen So these are all immigrants that are not non-citizens So in essence what I see in this data is that people increase their interest in politics their participation in certain kinds of groups but they increase in essentially the same measure across both groups it doesn't matter if you become a citizen now that already is a bit puzzling and if you're looking for involvement in the light blue to go part is trade unions voluntary groups tenants residents' association that sort of thing that sort of thing and also just how much you say you're interested in politics. So the fact that it doesn't increase is already a bit telling but then you've got characteristics among the people who become citizens that really should encourage participation and interest and so then when you adjust for those things when you compare like for like on those aspects of their situations you really should see an increase among the because it's nicer but you don't so so the consequence there in instances statistical terms is you think well that this test must must have some sort of negative impact on people's engagement and yet we do know from other research that immigrants in Europe who become other parts of Europe who become citizens will be active non-citizens so discrepancy how you count would well if we want to engage with the test itself and think what's on this test what in particular what's on this test in regard to politics we can think about the nature of the questions essentially is positioning people as really quite passive so couple of examples of questions on the test that are about politics what is the role of the whips in Parliament What's the name of the prime minister's country house how many members of the cabinet are there these are all these these are not questions that have anything to do with what you might do there is really essential from the to real questions that so they position you as essentially passive they basically tell you don't bother with participation instead simply learn the rules of the game do what you're told essentially obedience they use a little Turnage approach might involve a rather different approach a different conception if you like of politics well sort sort of the flip side of what I'm saying if you want people to participate it might help if you actually guide people towards the principles that are supposed to underpin participation so what are the principles of British democracy what are the rights that people are supposed to have what it what it meant to do in the course of engagement you can if you ask questions like that maybe you would get people thinking British democracy that that's actually worth knowing about so I mean really the present test doesn't do anything for in line potential solutions about democratic rights of those questions are about just essentially knowing the rules of the game. And then following the rules nothing about protests nothing about activism no doubt you want to say it really encourages or it's a subdued a submissive version of politics something done to use a missive obedience you know you also suggested we let you go up with the wrong tests because these were based on incorrect diagnosis of the 2001 northern riots you just referred to that very briefly at the beginning in what ways what how did they go wrong and how did it relate to that we've had a fair amount of research about this that says defining what happened in ethnic terms or according to immigrant status it ignores all sorts of other possibilities for why people might have been so discontented at that point in time especially things connected with class and deprivation so it's essentially a discourse that divides people that really ought to be united in the sense that they experience deprivation in a sort of a unified way so if we dealt with social exclusion in on its own terms then we might find that there's commonalities across these ostensible boundaries would you how would you rate their citizenship test now I mean is it is it about is still worth continuing or you like to reform it change it I don't quite see the point of it all together I mean you might be able to tell of actually had to take it myself which is fine you but it's I didn't pass but it I'm not sure it did all that much for me David option thank you for the moment. Yes Pink Floyd's raucous insistence or should be no thought control in the classroom leave them kids alone it's an insistence profoundly adults with governmental views on the vital importance of education in the maintenance of those British values and not only is our government names such values they are democracy the rule of law individual liberty and mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths but it has since 2014 require. Teachers to promote just such values to all their pupils but how does this policy work out of the chalk face powder teachers seek to realize such an imperative where they're all questions for an act by next year she's Carl Vincent and she's professor of the social g. Of education at u.c.l.a. Institute of Education Tara welcome your research you're trying to make sense of how teachers are responding to this 2014 government requirement to promote fundamental British values let's call the f.b.i. From now on shall we. Mention the chummy little about the history that led to the 2014 coalition government taking this decision what lay behind it yes I think David's already spoken about a wider context of migration and concerns of on social cohesion. And then also we see throughout the century New Labor and Conservative politicians making pronouncements about Bushes David Cameron made a speech that gets quoted quite a lot where he talks about muscular liberalism and the need to assert our values so there's a sense this as similar to what David was saying that there's a group of people who need more integration but the immediate was the Trojan horse affair in 24 tane when a group of schools in Birmingham were allegedly infiltrated by conservative Muslims and it was in direct response to that Michael Gove who was then Sect of State Education promised to put the promotion of Bush values at the heart of what every school has released leave the f b v z s which are very intimately related to the government's counterterrorism strategy I mean if they're part and parcel of yesterday article a strategy now your study. 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In social class what did you hope to find out you just should be trying to find out where there's a failure or how it was being done I really wanted to find out how teachers understood this responsibility and how they set about promotion Bush values as they were else today because there was no consultation on this requirement and very little guidance and I wanted to find out what was happening in school and did you find the teachers generally supportive of the idea they were supportive of the valley is themselves although tolerance was one thing that several teachers said that they were more wary of they didn't like the word tolerance because they felt it suggested a rather grudging acceptance but certainly they were supportive of the values themselves they were much more cynical about the way introduction of their requirements promote them which I made and the teachers are going are always talking about the amount of work they grab the over curriculum the constant chest thing how on earth do you think you've managed to seach in the teaching of these fundamental British values in many schools the majority of schools that I was in that they be they were embedded in what was going on you have a question called s.p.v. The one little there were a few spaces where it was more explicitly address those tended to be in assembly as or in religious education sometimes or personal social and health education lessons because you got things like classes like citizenship is really the vision that there are even religious education Yes Yes There was certainly citizenship but citizenship is something with a fairly marginal status in schools these days and not all schools have separate citizenship classes if you're a group girl reading here these are the words of a teacher you call a teacher who works as an urban primary with a multi I think mainly when the working class population she's describing her school's 2016 celebration we had the Queen's birthday last year we made it into a big thing in our school we organized a tape party and then you. Each class was asked to sing a song so we all at practice sung for each group mainly British films that kinda patriotism or something like that and we did mugs as well we painted them and we did lots of activities related to the queen's birthday and we had a lunch specially for the queen a fun day for the whole school yes it was really nice interesting are we talking about the lodge specially for the Queen Practice songs all of mugs as well because you do point out the some schools when they have to have this business of representing Britain the they they used symbols and stereotypes of Britishness including of course the queen give me some examples of this approach what would it look like on the ground I argue that one way that some schools promoted Bush values was to represent best news in these symbols the stereotypes that are commonly associated with with question and that was several other examples that involve the royal family so it's cool in the northwest to Bush and for example where not to with the children the marriage of Prince Harry. 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