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Grounds judges said the development did not conform to the government's own climate change commitments the airport is to take the matter to the Supreme Court but the transport secretary Grant Shapps said his department will be challenging the ruling or we're not dealing it because our manifesto make clear that he throw is a a private sector industry led project we're not the courts and the court today has criticised something which was from a previous administration but we do believe as a government that we can expand aviation but we can do it in an ever more green and environmentally friendly way and that's what we're going to assure is the final outcome for us Japan's prime minister Shinzo a has called for the temporary closure of all public schools from next Monday until the end of March to prevent the spread of the corona virus another 13 cases of the illness have just been diagnosed here another 2 people have tested positive for Corona virus they are being cared for at specialist units in London and Liverpool one of the cases is linked to the outbreak in Italy the other to Tenerife where more than 160 British tourists are being quarantined in their hotel. The government says Boris Johnson could walk away from the e.u. Trade talks if there is not a broad outline of a deal by June ministers this morning published negotiating guidelines ahead of the 1st round of talks which begin on Monday West Mercia Police say they believe residents of flood hit parts of Shropshire in was to shit can expect another 10 days of difficult conditions and I'm bridge some residents were evacuated after barriers holding back the river 7 buckled. The Mexican government has returned an ancient bronze sculpture to Nigeria after thwarting an attempt to smuggle it into the country the artifact which is thousands of years old comes from the historic city of ether a famous for works depicting gaunt and royalty b.b.c. News. Yes of pent up anger bursts out as a drama the interrogation reaches a fraught climax at a quarter past 2 but now it's the arches and naming ceremony isn't going according to plan and as name started yet. To change he had the person it's what is it I'm organizing the naming facade to function in the forecastle suite 12 to one Yeah we've course a physical problem not with the function with the lunch after what sort of problem we threw saying one of those was coming but all 3 of them attend out and. That like his so there will be 2 extra for lunch Yes No sweat all possible to the kitchen but maybe it was if in the morning in this sort of thing happens all the talking also it oh you're an angel who was very hard. Is it that way to the naming ceremony fair Castle suite up the corridor and on the right got it right actually Helen Yeah I was going to ask you something if I saw you Yeah or maybe I thought I might come down to the farm shop but you're here no this is Tracy where were they if you've seen Josh lately Joss will she do not a pushbike Where's that flash card as. You didn't say about George's Co No oh you're here for this naming ceremony thing haven't been here well it's on the facts Yeah she knows boy and we're looking forward to it I hear you with Cajun charge going to the border wall nonsense and will probably have to weave flowers into each other's hair or something. And just get to raid it's nice and I was on a word of it frankly I still have a decent fade out. Yeah msec coming in to find Everest different for us. Say Tracey visit about Josh's transport arrangement know what it is you want a new relationship in you not me yeah. Ceremony fair Castle sweet thank you so I want to ask if you've met his kids yet please yeah because Chris I don't know whether we should introduce Roman tomorrow to see. This case arrive just yell at him he's been your age is. There you look all 3 of you with coordinating colors and everything sorry we need to talk if you Yeah Ok fine and. The illuminate. Ok look Tracey I'm sorry I can see your concern here no worries some of the talking maybe. Hello Jim she didn't expect to see you here I'm sorry for the naming ceremony Oh that's today is it no I'm just here for a swim and then a coffee who for although having attended Rosie's christening which to be frank was rather out of my comfort zone I'd be quite interested to see how the humanist compares of if I'm honest I think today might be a little out of my comfort zone you know where you are with a christening Oh I just want a good turnout is that very. Soon Jim you seem chair for this I don't suppose you've heard the news yet about Jason Well I knew he died of course and now he's been outed Ah yes as the monster he really was. Well as Nanda. Oh he yes. Most of your bits will be from this lectern here adding he stand on this page Ok Hold on a 2nd we need to say something that we know that this is would take us a last minute want and if you don't want to completely understand but we've decided we would like parents off to. Ok my brother Sam's agreed to be one. We'd like you to be the other. I know it's a lot to think about so we could always leave it to later who. Was so loved here for you to. Take. Us. We know there's nothing in your script about it we thought perhaps we just had a simple announcement oh no I think we can do better than that as. Casey in you can get some Ok. Dad that they're really all right yes we need to make an announcement and then make sure all the other guests are told as they are rife told was the start of the ceremony is going to be delayed by 15 minutes what why if mind why just do was also please. And that I find you here I'm in total to my fact break sure I'll be back in a minute and she's not chasing you it's just that there's been a bit of a delay with the ceremony. If you want to talk oh. So yeah. It's difficult. He's. Did you know he's in a film script know most blokes like going out with couldn't buy a shopping list I'm just proud of him that's good he's really good at what he does and he still wants to get better and. I always feel like a better person when I'm with him. He who really falling for him Tracy here. Big Toy but I don't know if he feels the same about me hence your dilemma. I really want this to go the distance but suppose it don't. See why you worried Brad and Chelsea got to know some of the fellers in the past one of them they got pretty close to limo driver you also her. But it didn't last call him 6 months later given Melanie a free roid if you know what. If it did last week and would be bad enough for me but the kids have grown to like him to totally understand I still haven't forgiven myself for bringing Rob into Henry's life so you can imagine how wary I was with Lee course Henry already known in karate helped a lot but now Lee's going through the same thing with me and his daughter who's not going. It's early days very protective of him naturally but they're younger than your 2 Breton Chelsea must have more of an idea how the world works too much sometimes. So I'm getting the impression you'd like them to meet him yeah it means a lot to me you don't have to do with a big fanfare I hear you kids me just step no where you just go right off that I'd be thinking let it develop naturally keep it to casual going to interrupt calling us back and I was like Shit I'll be there in a minute Ok So Ari you go. Thanks thanks a lot. You're obviously a great mom to know about law so you'll do the right thing by your kids. Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of life's longing for itself. And though they are with you yet they belong not to you you may give them your love but not just thoughts for they have their own. And as you grow and become a man we will always be with you to protect you encourage you nurture you and help you become everything you wants to be. The heart thank you very much that was lovely now unfortunately Debbie can't be here in person today but she's recorded a special message so it's good you pressed play now. Thank you and a very big thank you to adamant in for asking me to be the other guide parent it's a huge honor and it means most need and I can say. You are a beautiful child of our amazing universe on your journey through life I will not shield spirit and banish your soul always know that if you need a helping hand. Kate sending out pens and slips of paper to everyone would like to invite you to write a wish for. I'm going to paste them all into a book and they'll be able to read them when he's older and realize how much he's loved Oh and while you're doing that we're going to play a piece of music that we've specially chosen because it sums up a lot of the hopes we have for. This. That was really lovely well done all of you thank you thank Sheila and well done you Brian that person was lovely to you it was a very moving cake chose it I just read it out. Yes Yes I thought the whole thing went very well in the book of wishes it's such a nice idea that's case again such a shame Yacob wasn't here to see your wonderful creation busy with workers 1st. They want to break Pam that one I'm afraid you know you didn't name yes let's not talk about that now this is in Adams day and Ellen does of course 'd. Jim. Hello again sorry I don't want to disturb you. Would you care to join me for a moment yes we've got a few minutes before the lunch I just want to check given what you told me earlier Yes How you doing remarkably well I'm pleased to say that and you should take much of the credit for that need yes indeed the postcard I mentioned saying I had loaded the gun for Michael to follow. When I was swimming I suddenly realized that is exactly what you did for me to hardly think so last year you were the one who encouraged me to explain to Alister why I was in such a state and even when I was in software will towards you you still offered me support Well if it weren't for you it's quite conceivable that none of this might have happened I and many others would still be trapped in our childhood nightmares if I helped you in any way and obviously I'm very happy about that but I can't take the credit I can be better judge mental and an intellectual snob sure I never appreciated use a daughter in law but I hope I may now current use a friend a much value one of now as you know I can't be doing with always God stuff but I am aware that for those who believe because do perform an important social service I hope so I'm sure that as a vicar you will help many people as you help me so nice of you to say that. I wonder in here of the complement would it be alright for me to make a donation to the Lent appeal I don't understand if you'd rather not because I'd be happy for you to do so. And. Kind of give you a hug who. All right then. Just this one's. And at 7 o'clock tonight Roy questions himself and makes his feelings clear. Now who do you least trust it was a really dramatic moment and I've don't think I've ever felt more power. A decade in which trust plummeted politicians are now the least trusted professions that used to be advertising through crisis scandal and wall people fall we were great democracy and a lot of people gave a sort of reference to it and now I think it's on b.b.c. Radio 4 Laura Coombs book presents the decade of distrust no one could have known how far those frayed bonds of trust between the public and their politicians were about to be stretched this Saturday evening at 8 in 45 minutes Clare Balding takes to the Wilberforce way rumblings as 3 but now for the drama another case for the interrogation detectives a man a suffered a violent attack in his own home but the detectives are yet to find anyone with a motive. The interrogation by Roy Williams. Been almost 7 years since I last saw my little girl Joanna. Some nervous that day who wouldn't be I wanted to see it before many times when I was in prison but Joyner's father Duane would letter he didn't think prison would be the right environment for a 5 year old to see our own mother suppose at a point I just wish she didn't have to be so bloody self righteous all the time. We walked around the new shopping center had pizza it was good she knew I was but I could tell from a face that she was having trouble remembering me I told her not to bother that we could start some new memories me and she seem to like that. Whole wish I could have been there to see the look on Wayne's face when she when I told him she wanted to see more of me 2 of us walking around the shopping center eating pizza was our weekly thing Joanna persuaded Wayne to let me take it to the cinema after school one evening her so excited to see her I was getting myself ready you know. When it was Duane that called me I knew something was wrong doing would never speak to me unless he had to there was an accident at school the roof of the new assembly hall they built had collapsed for school children 2 teachers dead our little girl is dead that was all he said to me. It was how they reported in the papers the next day that started off for me. Move collapses in Muslim faith schools black and Asian children killed 5 school black and Asian children killed they're not even allowed to be children they must be black and Asian children they didn't even bother to list their names they didn't even bother to check their facts Pearl Street Manna is not even a face school it wasn't even front page news on any of the papers I suppose only 5 people died is not important enough to the public my Joanna who wasn't even Muslim was not important enough why why how can she be gone we were getting close she was trying to smile like she used to when she was a baby how can she be gone why . Killing you know I am sorry I said good really came out I think it may not oh I mean inspector when you say he's a. Good little I can get you some more to feel like what I would like is to kill you well it looks like someone's beaten you to it if your husband dies that is my husband is nothing but a stupid prat What was he thinking to protect his own but we have each friends to take his image more like I mean what play mean image couple of sessions at the gym with his personal trainer and then what exists to command things you can take out weather comes his way you know mice to tease him I used to say he was always wanting to have something to prove because he was 19. I say something while his name have any relevance but think about it I'm trying to any boy who walks into a school playground with a name like Timothy and straight away he know you think you can take him right all wrong the telly and dear solitude I know that I know your rank What's your name your 1st name short where they should all go what no one is going to pick a fight with a boy the insurance for no good reason but Timothy you have to thank you John says when you get the boy could do with it how would know about that Tim never thought about going to jail even though I could see was put on a few pounds and I made a joke about it and that was it with a shopping waitress these young girls were outside giving out leaflets to this new gym that was opening one month free trial he took one look at the girl and when he wasn't stared at her legs he was leering down her top just like his father to us with me so we stand up there because he signed his 1st somewhere in the back of that stupid head of his he was thinking that the same guy would be his trainer and he would be well in there's something else to brag about rugby playing mates see that you're. Upset Mrs Barlow can you can you really what was it the teacher was just trying to help Mrs Barrow's so you can start by not calling me Mrs Barnes that is not your night is my day I didn't say it wasn't my name I said Don't call me Mrs players and how would you like to be addressed Ms Claire you know Roger and Claire let's get back to what happened this evening. You know what has happened some little scumbag has probably never worked a day in his life burgled our home and attacked my husband will make she say that so I say what some little scumbag who has never worked has probably never worked a day in his life is why I said I have a photographic memory constable I see and I hear them I am very impressive and it's sergeant by the way not constable my mistake but if you could answer my question what made you think it was someone who does not work or who else has houses a great many people then why you know out there looking for them instead of wasting my time here we will get to that Clare going to show you 2 senior policeman interview because there's been a sudden spate of burglaries in the area we're here to establish whether there is a link I'm sure there is you think these young people will find something to do so you've moved on from them being little scumbags to being young and you want to know what is the makes me say that the thought had crossed my mind what do you expect you know what this area was like before or at least you should if you can honestly call this have police officers the last time I looked I called myself a police officer yes we are familiar with this area so why should we expect angry local people black as well as white upset because the local playground has been closed or the park boarded up all to build new luxury flats that the likes of me and most of my friends could never afford see what they look on the open space staring at me the white privilege he's not saying that now. Under science he does not have to say he is in I would like to find out who attacked your husband and he just moved into the area clear compliments the 1st look we took at the house when you straightaway was our new home how nice I think it is that you both found a home as opposed to what as opposed to nothing so that's been clear you think someone my botak generals been because they did not approve of people like you coming in the way ripping out the heart of the community I'm not saying anything I'm just thinking out loud the same as you person lot of thinking it is as you have names of any of these people to be ridiculous to say I don't have the kind of people I dissociate myself with you know. Well you know they're more my she think that could be a motive it's what you see is what you hear on the streets in the shops in queues at the bank this has its own north and south divide this power has had its north and south divide for years but the north seems to be winning doesn't it my the only person with the local paper explaining the old library is closing soon to be replaced by a wine bar in this area began to the dogs for his gang shooting multiple attacks rapes Berkeley's who in their right mind would ever want to come and live here you are right who would say why did you I don't see how it's my fault that the council got fed up with it all and decided to improve the enemy. Here you are sergeant here we are. These people left their homes so much that community so much they should have looked after I don't see why I should apologize for living at home his expect you to we just want to find whoever did it would not surprise me if they came from that wretched the state cause the road we must be considering that waiting we are considering everything clear as we said we are investigating a number of burglaries in the area but this was the 1st where someone has been attacked and quite seriously he's saying this one could be person. Very well indeed be personal to someone who objects to the way as you put it the bar is being gentrified I'm not putting it that way you are you sure the man not be anyone and he wants all the grudge against anyone you think might want to do it mom told you his name was Timothy His name is Tim a thing I'm sure that's what you meant to say Timothy's do not have enemies and why do they have egos the size of small countries lets you believe I actually wanted to come live here so moving there was sympathy his idea he grew up around here even lived on that which the state he told me was always what it's come back to live here it was his dream to show to the rest of his so-called friends nothing but he believes the Made it is spite of that believe that he was better than them because of his name I take it you are correct I wonder if when he came home tonight walked in on that he was hoping it be one of his mates from the old days when he could really show off to flex his muscles and give this whoever the beating of his life before calling the place that would be just like him stupid stupid full clan then one knows for sure what they would do under those circumstances Tim would believe me it was such an adrenaline junkie he got off on it now is painful and we need to catch this person before they do it is somebody else please don't stop here did he happen to mention any of these old friends of us he might have thought I wasn't listening to my phone or not saying that it is but someone else was someone else what do you mean by that clear at the same. There could be nothing but it could be everything played square but Tim and I was shopping at Waitrose the new one on the High Street that just opened you can believe our luck Waitrose well enough front door that yes clearly no are you talking about what about the Waitrose Did something happen it was the strangest thing what was Tim and I were by the deli counter and I don't know how it started couples never to have a routed I have to get so heated so quickly Nagaland that it no no because it was there what was it clear there was a woman a woman kept looking at us looking as we were arguing she just kept looking over at us both she was just standing there with her Charlie which was empty which also seemed odd as she was looking staring especially a show she was just looking because the 2 of you were arguing no it was the way she was looking at us it was that she was listening to every single word we were saying it stopped us in our tracks when we finally noticed it was the strangest thing a woman a black woman just standing there looking at us with an empty shopping trolley you don't often see that don't often see what black women shopping in Waitrose No I think I did not mean that I would appreciate it if you could tell us what you did mean there was nothing in her trolley perhaps he just started shopping well but that is the thing this is what is odd because I thought I saw have a force or a before the word you seen before in the supermarket in Waitrose every aisle we went to door shopping she was there were emptied Surely you can tell me now that that is an art I know who said it was or it wasn't clear I'm just asking questions so you kept seeing I was like she was following us now I take that back I am sure she was following us Tim too I was imagining things and I think that's what started the wrath Why would this woman be following you clear who no idea who she was on drugs or something because she was black and no because it the way she looked yes she looked like. Oh it yeah I can see where you're going with this I'm not a racist someone has suggested you call it has skin has nothing to do with it but you did not see it the way she was looking at us all the time it wasn't right it was freakish why why was she looking at I told you I do not know you must have been a reason I suggest you both come for that reason we will we will find that phrase not going to show you that but we need your help what were you in term talking about before and after the fight I told you the air we had him growing up around here that is all changed and for the better I might say that woman but Black Woman Yes Detective the black woman she just did not like what I was saying she took a real exception to it to the next option Yeah you know this and what exactly do you mean by that took an exception how from his shouting and shouting you know saying this woman spoke to you yes as we both left the supermarket on the way out now you are saying this woman followed you yes detective that is what I'm saying to her m.r. I've been helpful if you'd said this to us earlier and said the uniformed officers who 1st questioned you all right I am sorry but I was afraid you were afraid afraid of what afraid of being a racist and I was half 1000000000 to death yes thank you very much detective I am fully aware of so may I suggest we focus on that it is not easy you know what is easier to have views than not popular with others you have unpopular views which is maybe why this stern adjoint may be why the woman was shouting at me could be all she could very well be nothing but a crazed lunatic that got let out of the day from some mental hospital you said you have the unpopular views yes if that's how you want to put him tell us about these views he's unpopular why he's speaking to me and my partner is just either that lucky to be alive and I'm the treaty look like work or like a suspect Well we are sorry you feel that we just want to get to the bottom of this and right now this woman in trying. A minor rule was you said to him I didn't say anything to have it was Tim I was speaking to him in Jersey they say Walker No one and I mean no one can say that name Timothy without giving away the slightest sense of disdain in their voice you just can't help yourself can you. Send to me the man I love the 1st man who is prepared to stay with me after 3 months he wants to spend the rest of his life with me is over there fighting for his life and I'm making jokes about him about his neighbor the woman what was it what started the fight she was shouting at you yes yes can you remember where Tim and I were by the newspaper and there it was it was from page one of the local newspapers the results of that inquest about that school roof forming on top of those kids you remember yes we remember a talking about that in that post is saying this happened the older question with a black woman occurred the day after the inquest Yes why is it supposed to mean something bad no idea Claire was just asking a question on class please you saw the newspaper headline and then what Tim said how awful it was tragic and you didn't know I mean I didn't say it but that did not mean I didn't think it was tragic because of course I did I mean you wouldn't for God's sake only someone who was completely inhuman and there were about 30 children in that hole and it happened right yes I believe there were well I'm not a monster How about this woman what about how well did she think you were almost what was it you said can you remember what you said to her whatever I said it did not give her the right to behave the way she did when no one is judging you if feels like you Well well we're sorry about that but we still need to know what was said Timothy said how tragic it was I did not say I agreed with him because I felt I didn't have to It goes without saying that it was an appalling tragedy so out what was it that you said clear. What I am. Asked which is what was it yet another faith school because this used to be a lot of them around here Muslim faith schools to be precise so why does it matter if it was a faith schools it doesn't matter it is just a question one asks but so was that when the woman started shouting about not quite so there was more he said Yes What was it. Tim couldn't believe they had reached a verdict of death by accident he felt the building company and the council should be blamed for putting up such a dodgy roof in a school he claimed that blood on their hands and should be arrested for murder I said he was sharing tending to be so politically correct and and wanker. Or I realize now what I said might be seem to be a bit callous what he just Sika I wondered that was so if they decided not to reopen the school the council my health class to be built and I wondered how much they might cost I work in property I cannot help myself was this when the woman shouted or did you have more to say it's dem see Tim is much better than Timothy isn't it Claire Yes Yes Well that is when she started chatting so when you recall what she said hear anything anything at all it was hard to make 2nd you drivers white bitch this silly cow that easy for me to say because I was privileged on and on like a lot I'm surprised you did not mention this before I did not think it was relevant but you clearly did we are considering all aspects square than nothing we just left the store as quickly as possible this woman the g. Fella for a bit we didn't turn around we thought that we would encourage Harry if we did so we just kept walking which she continued into show yes there was a sign white this white that Lucky us it was horrible I'm sure it was oh I know what it is that you are thinking it is practically written all over your face and what might that be clear I deserved it what I said about the school kids but I did not say anything about the school kids it was about the school the land do you think you deserve no no Marlee believe I did. I don't I don't know what I'm thinking I've said time and again had scanned and been amused him we know we're under help our only concern is finding whoever did this glad you think this woman who have if she has people yes she very well could be well then find we were with your help I thought that that is what I was doing I mean how can someone go from shouting at someone to bashing someone's wife this woman has some of the do with this is one of many questions we will be asked and I have the right to express my opinion of course you do not want to sign on was there something more that you said play something else that much of enraged. I did say now if I told one did that was all Ok I wondered if there were too many immigrants in this country some how many of those children's parents do not belong there was any question belong here Yes Detective bell here was only a question How else would you like me to say I am hardly think it matters doesn't both finished with me now almost because I would really like to be a victim right now if that is of course just a few more questions and where the what are you said you were walking on yet you kept on walking yes please and she was following she was shouting Have I not told you this was I not clear do you think she followed John how I'm clear jus think she might have worked out way you lived I suppose yes why would she have anything to do with this is what we hope to find out. As wondered how long it would take you look to find me find you yeah so that implies you knew we would be looking for you but of course I knew then you would know where you are here yes why do you think you are here don't you know are do you know what at least I think well that's good that's nice for an awful lot of trouble with them I know that money would tax could have been cured I know that too and I'm sorry about that but I'm not sorry for what I did why should I be why should you be tired of being Story tired of this why don't you tell us what this is about and mix understand why because I sense you want to something else something else is going on you are about me a patch of what you're doing here over this side of the river that I can tell you pretty story line since the last thing I ever wanted to do was to come south. I'm a West London girl through and through my stay the same one I've been living all for coming on 20 years is getting done up new kitchen new doors new new new everything but of course we all know what that means old tenants at so they can sell the flats to those who can afford them not us same over London or the same over everywhere because they just don't care and the no reality here bright boy what do you think I'm here in a cold tiny bedsit the best they could do they said except it all on the streets so take a guess what I did I'm sorry rather than be my little girl live nearby I got to say you have a daughter Joanna 12 so pretty smart the main heroes were far the Wayne good old Wayne he got custody over when I last went inside yeah or sorry about that too but that does not give you the right I'll just glad I could see it glad but where I used to be was only 2 minutes for my momma brothers my little sister I am now a good hour and a half away zone for there goes my weekly bus pass allowance mom is elderly she's getting on this supposed to look after a nap she lives all alone. Live. The Lord giveth and the taketh away remember read of that you brother did you know him you say was an hour for way. You know I had my m.p. On the radio the other day going on about communities how important how vital it is to keep communities to give up yet policies like this where they move poor people out and bring rich people in only destroys communities that make no sense tell me that tell me if that makes sense to you why don't you tell us how any of that has anything to do with. That his name yeah he also has a son had a knife and Simon is your little girl from his 1st marriage and the 2nd one of Clare Yeah I know all about that bit you know what is more you know about that she is a loud mouth bitch please I'm sorry but I really don't care for that word she has too much to say for too much to say 1st off about does the name could be a merchant mean anything to you I have to say a would be amazed if it was who is she had you should be asking Who was she all right and who were she could bear a merchant was 11 years old when the roof fell on. She not painting it was good she wanted to be an artist she was a pupil who post remembers Are you telling us how did you know this go career that you know but do and your daughter went to that school as well is that what you're telling us other yeah that is one telling Yeah is that what this is about about the school post-treatment or was it something that Claire said about that school about what happened she would be the 1st how know that it was shocking what happened I'm glad you can find the words so easily to describe a way it's not easy to describe it everyone said the right thing the right thing even though managed to drag himself out did you see him bloody mess. It was. I'm sure he wanted to come oh please don't get me wrong I am not knocking him you just said all bloody Mary you should it was say about people who are really close Yeah like people like this Claire woman people like of people like. Done everything everything the privileged white no offense no I'm sorry I mean is it me or is everything just gone pear shaped of the last couple of years bricks a trump elections there would be 5 minutes or is this all about here or as you would hurt him by others I am trying to tell you just tell us a fact as a hobby 12 years old here she won a prize at school for writing competition yeah the teacher said she had the soul of a poet story tragic What was it someone else out and out of suppose it might not have done this she was found dead underneath one of the teaches you must have been trying to shield her from the falling roof but they both died Stephen Hudson he was 26 years old it student teacher. Lord knows what he could have achieved what should have done with her life. The soul of a poet did you know I didn't know any of them right was I supposed to know them oh I might come down I suppose we should do right O'Brien faces must know each other right you know we didn't mean yes I know I'm not stupid do you think I was jumping on no we don't you don't have to mean it you don't have to say ever ever talk to us I'm right there what isn't right what is happening or tennis tell us what is happening on the bus here the day off the election the bricks that were this white guy shouting at these 2 women cause they're wearing burkas all kinds of nothingness was coming out of his go but no one on the bus said a thing they just looked away none of their business I decided to make it mine I decided I wasn't having none of this up in his face not telling him to back off he takes a lot back telling me if I don't like it why don't I go back to where I come from and goes back to where no initial review yet was on read about it ever he was probably drunk mouth enough only wasn't drunk he was stone cold sober yeast thought he had the right to talk like that he must have believed God whispered in his ears that morning and said Wake up son you get out because it's white boy die can you to see are you blind or something Bloodsworth Why is it that we are not seeing that it is star in up again what is foolishness know the crew we kid evil foolishness some people in power they win election and this white guy this full who believes he has the license to talk to anyone out he likes even me I was born here I'm a brick through and through and yet he takes one look at my skin and judges me I thought we got rid of that nonsense I read it did at least get the volume turned down on those idiots but it's coming back trust me those racists are coming back Tim was a racist and you're using. Where was as well as I why you would sacked him did you believe he was a racist did in her as I was 13 years old same class as much good at football would I say you know. Who else is going to remember we need you to tell us about him you followed him from the supermarket didn't say you knew where they lived every bone in their body was crushed there was almost nothing left of him or I ever but who cares about a bunch of brown faces a so what if they kids that will grow up to be a bunch of terrorists anyway the building company you built that roof didn't care that they did that yes ever we are here it's only a Muslim school too many immigrants in this country anyway consummate a word of English nothing but a drain on our services time to put British people 1st white British people but is that thing it was a Muslim school it was just a school a good school might go over to that school in shape no Muslim know what those white kids that went in there but anything put Domini Brannon asked to be something right has to be a face school Muslim school not just a school which it was that was all it was nearly every single one of those brown faces can speak 2 languages but it only seems to matter if you know why and rate them we know but you are not the rest of the country are you now have all of this sounds a bit confusing to me. House are you sure all of this is. Simple simple how simple as in you sure the noise sounds then when you thought it be something valuable in there oh you serious have you not heard a would have said to you yes we heard you had there were no die remember do those children's names be surprised at what we have over the years from people desperate to get themselves out of a hot I want to get myself out of a hole I know what I did you broke into their ounce with the intention to steal they use in that school trying to date cover yourself or is that not right have it or is out right now but did not steal anything you know that I also know you have your record so will us all what time the rest of the day to read are you as well as all of your other previous conviction you could forget audacity yet do what you people do every time lower your voice is not to say own rights no right I said Nothing is breaking and entering your think head on here not for the last 6 years did you know see my record I saw the way my life is going yet not see my own daughter grow up I saw it myself how that is allowed you know that does happen people make mistakes you have made a lot of mistakes of May I finish please. People make mistakes people sort themselves out I saw it myself out here what happened to post remember that Matthew little bitch going off when in the supermarket I have told you before about using that word have a what you going to do arrest me show call in you the whole world is going to hell is that right you know when you guys are in the front line of the oh you know it is maybe we do but what was I going to do with him bars have I just told you a has to do so you have an all you've done is give us some jibberish about the election and Donald Trump and Bill St manner Chipchura should I know the names of those kids and teachers in there the ones who were close to death and have a new and but I know their names he could have cheapish it all adds up our other adds up to was you know what oh me you weren't even in my at the beef with it was you mean close to it when I go on about the school that she knew telling a man she hoped they built flats there my little girl was your little girl was what . They were children in that school when the roof fell and only she can think about it that's been built how could anyone want to live there quite easily with say. People are close she don't know they don't know they haven't the slightest idea what it's like but that's Ok funny enough that is allowed no one should know no one should want to know that it's fine that it's cool that is all good so long as you keep ignoring my shock about arrest she didn't she couldn't give him a shot here that she was the world's authority over all the way a man who just ruined enough and their leaders was their parents when they the kids illegal is well over Legion should not be taught in school is specially Islam those children are dead it wasn't a faith school oh Ok he cares that Miss know Ok now seriously are you joking oh no she can't no no in the why you want to take care of ground it is what any decent human being would want if she wants to chat about something what about a building company they put up an unsafe roof and they got away with it do you think they would have done if it was an all white school scientists Roi of course you wouldn't but it's not right it's not the same you know it's are now on our why is it so hard for them to show empathy is it any wonder the way things turn out you don't treat people who are different from you like they don't matter how young or old you don't do it you make them feel they don't matter you can't be surprised when they start acting like they don't care about anything that you think you can expect to see agree with you have so you believe those children and the teachers had it coming they deserved to die like that I believe you had no right in attacking him Barros the why you did yeah you believe it should have you believe it because you are with them now we are nor will you are with the law people like her are the ones who make up the law 3 or 4 years in university and they think they've got a right to police the world. You know something they are right they are so right because they do police the world are not in charge of me or no way they are. Hello Norman they are they are they come down but they although they run everything you really think they care about those kids like really care some people should be arrested for murder at least but now they're just way in just waiting for all this to come down then back to normal they can't change their way of thinking they don't want to change their way of thinking you want to yes you want to change their way of thinking that believe starting with the claim was fair play and was no omh but more sorry you saw yourself over him you smashed his head is not right however. He's a right what happened to your daughter Heather she was. In the Assembly Hall was in jail leave me alone. She didn't survive did she shut up tell us. Has been around you know Joanna here she was getting to like me I could tell she's to be afraid of me she didn't trust me. She saw I go back to prison a week before the roof collapsed I took a shopping out west. Bought some trainers we had ice cream. We told each other jokes I never knew she could be so funny all we loved I was winning over thank you took it from me is that why you would have to embarrass her though. I want to teach them a lesson. I want to teach them all lesson who anyone who does not care but you have to start somewhere right so why not with the privileged white bitch I just wanted to from the supermarket I just fall into couldn't help myself I don't want to stop. Up in Erie and her kind of noise from people like all my life we all have they really believe everything belongs to them it's the way they are pull up it's the way every single white person was pull up to be privileged I thought that's it. That's a I'll show I will show her picture. You show tombstone Yes yes it's a lot of broken to ask but I still at the touch pushing here. It could have been no business but no one where you didn't count on him being at home which you plan to have or what we are going to do to make people like Claire say I was going to go to work on that precious white privilege house of tears I was mad up on it's just not she all up I wanted to turn it over once I started I couldn't stop until Tim Story it went for me it did not say a word he just jumped right out me I went for the 1st thing I laid my hands on some some metal stool within the kitchen a mom mind it was her that Malfi bitch I just kept it in naming him an enemy he wouldn't stay down here and he said yes precious little white privilege Oh he's got to protect that as any Yeah stuff right nothing else not my girl not those kids not what happened in that school to your daughter was terrible Don't don't don't war don't be insensitive about it don't use that word it does not even begin to describe what it must have been like for those kids to lose their life like that and what is it was the magic word what is it that people should be saying I have no idea how do you expect others to I don't want them to know no one should know no one should know no one should have a clue of what to say or do there are no words for it truly no words but they want to clear his words only anybody's words my daughter was not a Muslim. Parent are not illegal immigrants do you think did you know that a bloody roof fall on top of a deal does not give you the right. To rights I didn't do it because it was my rights I did it because I had nothing else. I want it back clear to have nothing. I want people like you to have nothing to know what it feels like that have nothing. We're going to have to charge and do you understand just do we have to do my. Job. But not of one at this. You know that. Yeah I know but I want to be. New sort of pipers Yes Macs are sort of paper this morning and. When you think. I think you like to rub it in that's why I think that's one of the children at the Mets last night well Max what about the also much we look forward to how did you know all like you don't know is that why you've been having such a long fight we had to play send off no team recovers from that you lose all shape it's no wonder we lost Sean little human realm a druid or boss alone would recover from that since leave me alone I'm not sure when I'm out there Richard foot but we're now up you know you could try the patience of the science someone what is it and what you want about it in the private eye that piece of land that now exists where Po straight man a school used to be on don't tell me that kind of the Senate and to some property developer so clear Barros was Ryo telling you what I've read in the pipe at the council of state aid they have no plans to sell the land yet no plans yet that council must think we'll warrens of they expect us to believe that well isn't it I'm surprised that you're surprised he said it so well you have to say about it yes Max it is of course the council going to sell it at land and I bet you a year's wages will be seeing a block of luxury flats built there before too long and there's nothing we can do about it is there there is the haves and there is the have nots that's the way it is so what's the next case when you have changed oh no money to one is rising then I was raised hell about it Max I'll be just like have a look what I got up. I just don't want to think about it but want something like that happening to my kids sign on the know it may I not only that the people responsible for putting up that roof looking around you know with their lives I don't think so Max you know if it was my 2 I do more than what have you did you won't be able to stop me easy now my I remind you you are a pretty self Well don't ask me what I think then. You know you say that and he turned a century ago. Dear Soma to mom or something. When 1st . I'm away now I'm on what I'll see you know a bit on going on is that the babies are coming to know me it's the concourse of the lip and best foot forward now get yourself down to the front desk find p.c. Carrie Yes she knows what to do she has their orders to drive you and she's not stopping for any red lights between here in the us to do Understood thanks Maxwell appreciate your family light and I ship to Shelby light I'm going but what about you what about me albeit doing my work doing your work as well I do and just make sure you call me when she delivers a s I p I want to know when you know so you're not coming and coming yet where we meet almost But what you mean now yes I mean no you plank Yes but oh well I'll make it quick I want me to show you beat it with your family and that no thanks ever so much support out the obvious So why are you not coming you really will become shifts. Do you think on family come on the move you coach Oh no seriously don't make me miss the birth mother story he just called me a little unawares and so last so tell me have you thought of a night for the baby and I didn't think before me all right now if we have as a matter of fact Maxine Gloria all meant to teach you. Sure. You didn't want. I don't want to start crying so I don't show what I was joking about. He said we when I went off the yuan I'm in the mix a knot Yes but not seen as also happens best friends name it yourself if you. Keep that I'll be winded new down the sound I guarantee it sometimes I think you forget that I'm your boss one of you ever let me forget that you are my boss. Just get caught and are you out we'll go through I'm doing and we got a. Leader sure sure about it let's move. In the interrogation by. Max's played by Kenny kind and children by an extended pack. Was played by Kevin and had to pay by check. The director. 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Ireland 6 Nations rugby fixture against Italy won't go head next month because of concerns about the virus Phillip Brown is the chief executive of the Irish Rugby Football Union at the meeting we were informed that the national public health emergency team has determined that the series of matches should not proceed in the interests of public health will immediately begin to work with our 6 Nations partners to look at the possibility of research will in those 3 matches I would hope to have an operation on the us in the coming days the former chancellor Sajid Javid has set out why he decided to quit his post telling M.P.'s that a demand by Boris Johnson that he sat all his special advisers wasn't in the national interest in his resignation statement Mr Javid said cabinet ministers had to be able to give candid advice to the prime minister and speak truth to power he also urged the government to stick to its fiscal rules Downing Street has responded by insisting ministers would continue to have a clear fiscal framework a coroner has opened and adjourned an inquest into the fatal shooting of sudep man who was shot by police after he stabbed 2 bystanders in south west London earlier this month shortly before the attack the 20 year old had been released from prison mid-way through a sentence for terror offenses The incident prompted American say legislation aimed at preventing automatic release for such offenders. The inquiry into the ground fell tower disaster is to resume next week after the attorney general gave an undertaking that all evidence from individual witnesses can't be used in any future prosecution against them the survivors group Grenfell United has criticised the decision accusing corporate lawyers of trying every trick in the book b.b.c. News and all Rajan will be looking at the new wave of political magazines in the media show at half past 4 but 1st his time to join Laurie Taylor for thinking aloud . As I remember I was just 14 when I took my 1st political stand a gang of us from the 4th Form went along to an election meeting which was to be addressed by Sir Malcolm Bullock The prospective conservative m.p. For the Crosby area of Liverpool at the time I don't think part of the any of us had profound political opinions we simply founded a bit of heckling as I remember shouting out Gerry built every time the counter that referred to his party's plan to build 300000 new homes but we must have been a thought a nuisance because of the end of the meeting the ancient chairman who was flanked on stage by a large Union Jack pointed directly at our row of seats and declared how Nowell if you are truly British would you stand for the national anthem Well that must be in the 1st explicit definition of Britishness I've ever encountered short and to the point you were only property British if you were a conservative and a royalist back then other rather less politically minded definitions of British an assumed came crowding into my life I gradually gathered that it was probably British not to like spicy food not to be fluids in the language not to wave your arms around when he was speaking he was heard thoroughly British too like queues pay their fair play complain about every sort of weather and be ready to any time for a comforting cup of tea and a custard cream. But such national idiosyncrasies where obviously far too trivial phone to insubstantial when it came to do considering the relative Britishness of this country's new Asian and Caribbean immigrants something much more sophisticated was needed certainly something most sophisticated in the templates test in which it was considered not British for an Asian or Caribbean immigrant to support their native countries cricket team and so the British citizenship tests. And yes at last an objective test which will discover your precise degree of Britishness and here are some sample questions from that very test you ready then to new paper now and do please write clearly question one before becoming king Henry the 7th was known as Henry chewed Henry Stewart's Henry of York Henry of Norfolk. Sorry time's up your next question which British writer wrote satirical novels including Decline and Fall Graham Greene Robert Louis Stevenson Evelyn war Charles Dickens. Time's Up next question which statement is true about the Beatles and The Rolling Stone as they are funky music groups from the 1970 s. They all pop music groups in the 1980 s. They are pop music groups in the 1960 s. They all rock music groups in the 1970 s. . That said yes a random selection of questions trump a pretty typical British citizenship test Well what prompted the introduction of such tests how much do such tests improve the integration of immigrants which immigrant groups to particularly well as them and what have the officer effects of the test on successful candidates well they're all questions from my 1st class today he's David Barton He's associate professor in the poem decision at the University of Leicester and he's the author of a research paper in The Journal says geology entitled The u. K. Citizenship process political integration whole marginalise ation David let's just go back to the very 1st rumblings when people 1st had an idea of a citizenship test for immigrants and it would go back to the late ninety's doing so in the late ninety's with the initial years of the Blair government there was there was interest in citizenship education in general to be done in schools when so much about immigrants right away but then in 2001 we had the unrest in some of these northern cities in England that some people called the riots these riots were cast in ethnic terms or sometimes racial terms where the idea was we start to think about people living so-called separate lives or parallel lives and his concerns about subtle cohesion and what it didn't really. Do politically to blame those that that unrest on on the sort of the native white British population instead you had to blame the immigrants for failing to integrate properly so the idea was well we need to do something to get them to be more similar more integrated in some particular way or Ok so that we then introduce the 1st citizenship tests which is a requirement passing the test is a requirement not naturalization I think that that's 2002 when the law was passed in 2002 and implemented in 2005 to 2005 people start taking this test to become u.k. Citizens a good idea in principle. It's not exactly clear why you'd want to know that the test is actually going to have some sort of positive outcome I mean it's not clear that the whole point of the positive outcome for immigrants was even so much the point it's really more directed towards an audience of natives white British natives who are worried about immigration so then the point is the government can say well we understand your concerns and are doing something about it to sort of make things better for you I mean the idea is the more you know about the country or in the light greater the likelihood that you will want to participate in that country's affairs I suppose it would be you I mean the Watson research which suggests this might not be the case where there's a number of ways to read what's on the test I mean even before you get into research on the actual of the people who actually take it you can say well what's going on with with imposing a requirement for a test like that and there's a way of reading that that says well it only makes sense to require people to go through a test and ask them questions about so-called life in the u.k. If you worry that they might not actually know enough if they might not pass so he can think about a test of that sort as carrying some stigma and signaling a deficiency among the people that you impose that requirement on it so we stick stigmatizing people not so much in integrating Are you saying that I think you argue the earlier out of this the test which is the practical element to it I mean helping immigrants for navigate their way around the unfamiliar society but over time they developed into the sort of factoids I was reciting before and so coming from Leicester one of the ones I like best is what year did Richard the 3rd die and somehow apparently it's supposed to help you be a u.k. Citizen if you know that the answer is 1485 I'm not sure how I never figured that one out but again Lester people like this one you point out that pos rates vary considerably among the people who sit these test people from certain countries funny much harder to past Tell me about this so it's relatively easy for for example Americans Canadians and other it's people that have that all. To come here with good levels of English pass rates are much lower for people from Afghanistan from Bangladesh from Iraq etc And again this probably has quite a lot to do with Englishman part of the point of the requirement was that people were encouraged to to learn enough English before they could gain u.k. Citizenship I mean that seems reasonable on the face of it except that it's not clear to me that requiring a test does all that much to actually encourage people to learn English people want to learn English they have busy lives it's not so clear that the test actually succeeds in that respect or in citizenship often defined as having 4 components status you know whether you're eligible for a passport or not rights participation identity but the longing now in your study the sort of we're going to talk about now it's the 1st of its kind you're exploring participation in the impact on people who've been through new citizenship process we're talking about namely whether it's in homes their contribution to British Avik and political life so tell me little about your research and your findings here people go through those tests to pass those tests do we find them getting more intimately involved than before in British life in politics so I've got survey data on roughly a 1000 people going back to 2010 and we then move forward 6 years and we get data from the same people so we can see how they change over time roughly 40 percent of that group about a 1000 people that they've gone ahead and become u.k. Citizens so you can compare what they do to what is done by the people who remain non-citizen So these are all immigrants that are not non-citizens So in essence what I see in this data is that people increase their interest in politics their participation in certain kinds of groups but they increase in essentially the same measure across both groups it doesn't matter if you become a citizen now that already is a bit puzzling and if you're looking for involvement in the light blue to go part is trade unions voluntary groups tenants residents' association that sort of thing that sort of thing and also just how much you say you're interested in politics. So the fact that it doesn't increase is already a bit telling but then you've got characteristics among the people who become citizens that really should encourage participation and interest and so then when you adjust for those things when you compare like for like on those aspects of their situations you really should see an increase among the because it's nicer but you don't so so the consequence there in instances statistical terms is you think well that this test must must have some sort of negative impact on people's engagement and yet we do know from other research that immigrants in Europe who become other parts of Europe who become citizens will be active non-citizens so discrepancy how you count would well if we want to engage with the test itself and think what's on this test what in particular what's on this test in regard to politics we can think about the nature of the questions essentially is positioning people as really quite passive so couple of examples of questions on the test that are about politics what is the role of the whips in Parliament What's the name of the prime minister's country house how many members of the cabinet are there these are all these these are not questions that have anything to do with what you might do there is really essential from the to real questions that so they position you as essentially passive they basically tell you don't bother with participation instead simply learn the rules of the game do what you're told essentially obedience they use a little Turnage approach might involve a rather different approach a different conception if you like of politics well sort sort of the flip side of what I'm saying if you want people to participate it might help if you actually guide people towards the principles that are supposed to underpin participation so what are the principles of British democracy what are the rights that people are supposed to have what it what it meant to do in the course of engagement you can if you ask questions like that maybe you would get people thinking British democracy that that's actually worth knowing about so I mean really the present test doesn't do anything for in line potential solutions about democratic rights of those questions are about just essentially knowing the rules of the game. And then following the rules nothing about protests nothing about activism no doubt you want to say it really encourages or it's a subdued a submissive version of politics something done to use a missive obedience you know you also suggested we let you go up with the wrong tests because these were based on incorrect diagnosis of the 2001 northern riots you just referred to that very briefly at the beginning in what ways what how did they go wrong and how did it relate to that we've had a fair amount of research about this that says defining what happened in ethnic terms or according to immigrant status it ignores all sorts of other possibilities for why people might have been so discontented at that point in time especially things connected with class and deprivation so it's essentially a discourse that divides people that really ought to be united in the sense that they experience deprivation in a sort of a unified way so if we dealt with social exclusion in on its own terms then we might find that there's commonalities across these ostensible boundaries would you how would you rate their citizenship test now I mean is it is it about is still worth continuing or you like to reform it change it I don't quite see the point of it all together I mean you might be able to tell of actually had to take it myself which is fine you but it's I didn't pass but it I'm not sure it did all that much for me David option thank you for the moment. Yes Pink Floyd's raucous insistence or should be no thought control in the classroom leave them kids alone it's an insistence profoundly adults with governmental views on the vital importance of education in the maintenance of those British values and not only is our government names such values they are democracy the rule of law individual liberty and mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths but it has since 2014 require. Teachers to promote just such values to all their pupils but how does this policy work out of the chalk face powder teachers seek to realize such an imperative where they're all questions for an act by next year she's Carl Vincent and she's professor of the social g. Of education at u.c.l.a. Institute of Education Tara welcome your research you're trying to make sense of how teachers are responding to this 2014 government requirement to promote fundamental British values let's call the f.b.i. From now on shall we. Mention the chummy little about the history that led to the 2014 coalition government taking this decision what lay behind it yes I think David's already spoken about a wider context of migration and concerns of on social cohesion. And then also we see throughout the century New Labor and Conservative politicians making pronouncements about Bushes David Cameron made a speech that gets quoted quite a lot where he talks about muscular liberalism and the need to assert our values so there's a sense this as similar to what David was saying that there's a group of people who need more integration but the immediate was the Trojan horse affair in 24 tane when a group of schools in Birmingham were allegedly infiltrated by conservative Muslims and it was in direct response to that Michael Gove who was then Sect of State Education promised to put the promotion of Bush values at the heart of what every school has released leave the f b v z s which are very intimately related to the government's counterterrorism strategy I mean if they're part and parcel of yesterday article a strategy now your study. Draws on $56.00 interviews $48.00 Obs And of $49.00 observations 9 taste of the school primary and secondary diverse range of pupils to. With Mr d. In social class what did you hope to find out you just should be trying to find out where there's a failure or how it was being done I really wanted to find out how teachers understood this responsibility and how they set about promotion Bush values as they were else today because there was no consultation on this requirement and very little guidance and I wanted to find out what was happening in school and did you find the teachers generally supportive of the idea they were supportive of the valley is themselves although tolerance was one thing that several teachers said that they were more wary of they didn't like the word tolerance because they felt it suggested a rather grudging acceptance but certainly they were supportive of the values themselves they were much more cynical about the way introduction of their requirements promote them which I made and the teachers are going are always talking about the amount of work they grab the over curriculum the constant chest thing how on earth do you think you've managed to seach in the teaching of these fundamental British values in many schools the majority of schools that I was in that they be they were embedded in what was going on you have a question called s.p.v. The one little there were a few spaces where it was more explicitly address those tended to be in assembly as or in religious education sometimes or personal social and health education lessons because you got things like classes like citizenship is really the vision that there are even religious education Yes Yes There was certainly citizenship but citizenship is something with a fairly marginal status in schools these days and not all schools have separate citizenship classes if you're a group girl reading here these are the words of a teacher you call a teacher who works as an urban primary with a multi I think mainly when the working class population she's describing her school's 2016 celebration we had the Queen's birthday last year we made it into a big thing in our school we organized a tape party and then you. Each class was asked to sing a song so we all at practice sung for each group mainly British films that kinda patriotism or something like that and we did mugs as well we painted them and we did lots of activities related to the queen's birthday and we had a lunch specially for the queen a fun day for the whole school yes it was really nice interesting are we talking about the lodge specially for the Queen Practice songs all of mugs as well because you do point out the some schools when they have to have this business of representing Britain the they they used symbols and stereotypes of Britishness including of course the queen give me some examples of this approach what would it look like on the ground I argue that one way that some schools promoted Bush values was to represent best news in these symbols the stereotypes that are commonly associated with with question and that was several other examples that involve the royal family so it's cool in the northwest to Bush and for example where not to with the children the marriage of Prince Harry. Which is a nice activity or not depending on your point of view but isn't about promoting Bush values because patriotism support for Monica is not one of the identified fish values. But I'm also thinking about things that was there was a commercially produced poster that was very common at one point that has boxes set out with a listing of bushes food bushes music Bush festivals and the British food is very traditionally English Bush is food it's roast dinners fish and chips scones. And how they set out on a table or something a lot of British This is opposed to so it's hard. And it's aimed at young children and the idea is I imagine to make quite abstract values into something meaningful for young children these are British prudes this is what yes this is what vision each. Of the rule. So you got as it were you got the phone box the Union Jack house of parliament red buses the little British food Governor I'm just reading from what you or your roasted or cottage pie veges for the garden seasonal fruit strawberry Strongs mustard fish Yes that was the full list on this commercially produced poster look at festivals as well the big promoter Yes a current looting tipping of the color. Ok but did I miss anybody checking up on the I mean if you have a big picture of a cottage pie underneath typical British food Haiti dissolve inspector got read and say You're doing very well on f.b.i. Visa and the our schools promote push values this is inspected by the school inspector's office stat and at one point officer did actually intervene and say that I think Amanda Spellman who's the chief inspector I think of quote was around quite often pictures of the queen out of sequence is charming but not really what they were thinking of about which values so it's not that this was the perhaps the way the schools were meant to respond but I find it very interesting that schools teachers when told to promote values some teachers at least we checked for these very traditional ideas and I think that's problematic in some found the whole business pretty problematic didn't there and tell me about them the teachers absolutely I mean I think that the problems that some teachers had were the same that their arguments that I made in the book that actually representing Burton through these symbols is very exclusionary it creates a picture of a monolingual a monocultural country it's what's been called an example of nation freezing so presence that Bush says is fixed and can't be changed and you have to behave in particular life and the post I mentioned earlier is aimed young children and imagine if you're 6 and sitting underneath the post in which Liz Bush is Ferd and your family doesn't eat any of that food does that mean you're not Bush's. You know I like the one teachers that you would like to return to the 1950 s. Reduction ist and crash when I see Union Jacks in the school it breaks my heart a little but you do point out the some of the schools manage to take a different approach woman who described as repackaged packing repackaging f b v fundamental British values tell me about that the other other ways of doing it yes and certainly repackaging was the majority response in my research and that means really that the schools were taking a business as usual approach so they were repackaging the f.b.i. Into activities that they were already doing so for example they said well we promote democracy because we have a school council we promote will of it all because we have school rows and that has its advantages because it avoids that sort of exclusionary symbols the stereotypes we're just discussing So it's a very rational response for teachers because it's relatively time efficient. But I think the difficulty with that is that it doesn't open up any extra space in which the values are discussed with children and so they don't develop a deeper understanding of what the value is my main show I mean you might get screwed were they were doing standard curriculum work on the Holocaust or participating in say Black History Month or having international evenings because you say these you know why he couldn't be really said to be promoting British Refuse To the extent the perhaps was originally wanted or intended I don't think it's clear what was originally intended the guy got the message is only 7 pages long and so I think teachers were really having to work out what it is that they wanted to I'm could in their own schools and a lot of teachers were concerned to step away from they the very exclusionary representing Britain approach and the least often approach the least often way of dealing with this ambiguity this uncertainty was where actually pupils were asked to distrust. Yeah f.p. Views fundamental British values themselves in a very overt way but you say these critically to dangerous conversations are slightly tricky business to go about it this way yeah dangerous conversations is a phased type cantle uses and he bins really controversial Aisha's and in all of the schools I was in the teachers could list controversial issues for that that they thought were important to their pupils and the top 2 issues were probably at the time migration. But teachers found that these demanding and often anxiety provoking to discuss so one teacher described discussing Breck's it with his class of 13 year olds and he was very worried about his impartiality what he could say what he couldn't say he was worried about what to do if children came up with something that was then a phobic so his strategy in that situation was to talk to the children. And he doubtless imparted some very useful information but he didn't really give them any space to respond but I do understand that because it's very demanding for teachers to discuss controversial political and social issues with young people we are about the way in which the n.t. Actually means prevent policy introducing trench 11 we talked about the effective March of how to ban the teaching of fundamental British values tell me how how they came about together in the school the role played by the extremist prevent policy in schools how the teachers you spoke to felt about it I didn't teach that awful lot about prevent because I wanted to focus on on fundamental Bush values and there is other research looking at prevent but the teachers that I spoke to had very much positioned prevent as safeguarding So the prevent duty requires them to report any young people that they think may be at risk of being drawn into terrorism and they very much saw that as a safeguarding responsibility they are going to the region here. In the words which each of you call Jenny she works in the 2nd economy in an urban area with a predominantly white and working class population I don't say this is a British Valley that we learn today I would say we as a school as a community as a people we respect and tolerate each other full stop so I don't call it British values. I know they are British values but I don't necessarily say to the students this is a British value I just say this is a core value that you should hold as a citizen and that's it if you have any conclusion about how you teach fundamental British values I would like to see not so much fundamentally schollers themselves which I think was a fairly ineffective policy but I would like to see more space in the curriculum for citizenship education more State of the system should have cation a more training for teachers to discuss controversial political and social issues with young people thank you so much garbage and quickly David I mean this is the 1st time you've probably read this research never with it but listening to our circle has to say any thoughts occurred to you about the relationship between your work and hers make the connection with food so there's a question on the test for awhile about beer no doubt of warm British pint So the question is in essence if you spill somebody else's pint in the pub What are you supposed to do you're supposed to know that the answer is not that you meant to prepare to fight instead you supposed to apologize and then buy them a replacement pint I worry that actually the right answer sometimes is you should prepare to fight. 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Magazine sales are up yes you heard that right years of talk about the death of print from those nattering nabobs of negativity as President Nixon speech writer William Saffire put it have been disproven well for some at least there is a resurgence for magazines that deal with News and Current Affairs new ones are being launched old ones thriving we've got 3 edition of 3 editions of the funny when it 3 or 3 editors here to tell all Jason County is the editor of The New Statesman Jason welcome what's on this week's cover we have done a piece about the death of privacy surveillance capitalism how do you decide that from Seanad off it's a it's by John Norton the Cambridge academic. Book is left in the at you dad you decide it's going to be on the cover is it your biggest name is your best piece if it's a jungle essay it will be a Joe movie jewelry on the cover but it sometimes it's you know Stephen Bush has got a little story from Westminster we could build a cover around that it could be something we've been working on for weeks John Raese anyone who's on automatic cover it writes an essay for me Jiang junkers the other rosy blow is the editor of 1843 magazine a magazine from The Economist Rosie coming up to the magazine's 4th birthday but perhaps even some radio foolishness won't know about the product what is it so. It's the Economist magazine of long form journalism where the Economist is the trusted filter on the world of how you think about it we are subject is our world your life the stories behind your everyday experiences so it's stories about your world extraordinary stories the columns but longer and deeper No it's much more stories narrative excuser or stories about Iraq and often they come out comes out every 2 months more about that shortly and Chris from on camera is here is the editor of the critic and you try to this ring going for a few months Christopher only some version point out this week I've got a test for you which may have no root whatsoever in evidence or fact but did you know that there was no the magazine called The critic we did but we didn't really fully understands just how disastrous it would be for Search Engine Optimization to call your product critic we went through about 15 different names before the magazine was launched I wanted to call it Soho Square on stage but people thought that you would have to meet funky people after from the sixty's you could really take on the London Metropolitan really is some of your writers do say surprise that you know when the priest I think you know in the previous iteration of the critic was founded I want to say It's 143 it was 843 they you go there's always an 843 connection I think you'll find I was your magazine created 43 really because it was the year the economist was founded a good year for magazines what is the critic. Chunky long form upstream fault willing say disagreeable things and agreeable fashion but we've already got a New Statesman and if we 3 for that we're going to do the others we're all in the boat together and it's sinking so. Well this is not a particular political position. On a spiritual I tried Tory prospect with jokes that a Tory frustrate with jokes Ok let's clear was can you western a cover this week to try and do something different. The danger of all of these magazines of coltan covers is that they can be still Jian fall into rot very very quickly just want to find issues in something that readers would say who is can you West Ok We're going to talk about your philosophy magazine shortly but 1st when it comes to exerting soft power many regimes now want their own English language news channel there is Russia Today Iran's got press t.v. And China has got c g t and. From Beijing this is the world today I'm now we begin with the latest on the corona virus outbreak in time of the number of new deaths has dropped for 7 consecutive days outside the epicenter of 2 by a day the new cases fell from that is the top stories are 3 from the China Global Television Network c g t n You can watch on t.v. In the u.k. Critics say it broke us nothing but propaganda but the channel does hold a broadcast license for off come the regulator meaning it has to abide by fairness and impartiality rules yesterday a group of campaigners wrote to have come with what it says is new evidence that proves that China is controlled by the Communist Party of China which would put it at odds with of course and should be kicked off the wall Peta Dahlan is director of safeguard defend is the campaign is in question and he's on the line from Spain Peter Good afternoon good afternoon could you just briefly explain for us what you've presented to us. Well what we have presented is that when everyone was focusing on Xi Jinping extending the term limits to make himself possibly President for Life Shina underwent a major reorganization although it's formally state media and part of that back in 2018 was to move much of its media including its t.v. Stations directly under political party control and this apparently is something that off com is unaware of and we believe that C.T.'s have failed to report these changes in according with the rules to off com and we have now collected evidence about this change and presented it to them Ok of questions have come told us that we have received correspondence from safeguard defense regarding the control and ownership of c.g. Which we are now considering we did invite to respond to the charge to these controlled by the Communist Party of China but as yet we've not received a reply Peter this isn't the 1st complaint you made of come about and in particular you've complained that the China brewed cost forced confessions of prisoners tell us more about this. Well it's a sort of common practice and shouldn't think came to power to have Often what you might cold sort of suspects a political crimes to be paraded on t.v. Long before their trial often even before their formal arrests it has happened to British citizens as well journalist Peter Humphrey has been broadcast several times in Britain by Chinese t.v. Confessing to various times of the alleged crimes so this has become quite popular for them to do and of course this violates privacy and fairness regulations of off going for what you can broadcast in Britain is specially since most of these confessions are secured through extensive torture while people are often locked away at secret whereabouts in secret prisons with no absolute legal counsel except . I'm sorry to say something you know rather bit too much about because a confession that you made with will cause in Chinese t.v. In 2016 before I ask you about the backstory to that let's just say this is Have a listen to this is paid to done in and explains that what he's doing off we've heard it. Violated Chinese law of human activity is here cost to the Chinese government their feelings of the Chinese people. I paid actually serious share this very sorry to have it happened what led to that false confession Peter. Well unlike most of the Chinese victims that I've spoken to I was not actually submitted to physical torture what happened instead is that I was kept at a secret prison incommunicado in solitary confinement and there came a point later during my detention where it was made clear that my girlfriend who was also pollutants held sort of as collateral damage she would not be released unless I agreed to some kind of interview I should say working as a human rights activist Peter that is correct they never actually said that this was for some kind of t.v. Broadcast but rather just a recording but one day at the secret location when I walked into interrogation room there was a number of c.c.t.v. Journalists there ready to work with the Ministry of State Security and the police to make this interview where of course the police had written all the questions and the answers beforehand and went direct that recent What do you wear how do you speak eccentric cetra What do you and of going to do now Peter Well we have worked with a number of victims to file these kind of privacy and fairness complaints against individual broadcast that we believe are in direct violation of British law and they are currently being investigated by off color which is which is very positive this new complaint is very different in nature in that the broadcasting acts that underpins everything that off com does makes it abundantly clear and with no exception whatsoever that you cannot hold a license if you are controlled by a political body we have provided ample evidence all of it coming straight from the Chinese state the party or city and itself that it is in fact in violation and based on the Broadcasting Act off can really only has one way to resolve this and that is to revoke the license easier said to give even talk to me as your sense of They've been rather reluctant to make that decision because it's got big consequences it's a very political statement isn't it. Well the 1st complaint was filed over $430.00 days ago another $1400.00 days ago and 2 former highly placed executives within offical has told us that this is pretty much on precedent that to take this long. So there is obviously some hesitancy to take on city t.n. Because this is not Iranian t.v. This is not Russian t.v. This is showing them Ok I mean they and China they are giving sanity to so go and go and now China is often treated somewhat differently when it comes to these regulatory bodies in many in many countries because there are certain consideration with trade and political relations except trust but this new complaint is very different in that according to law there is only really one way forward there are there is no find to be given there is still slap on the wrist there is only one thing and it's specified in the law if it is true they must revoke the license where they say we approach and this is where as you can imagine they say in response to the claim they've been sitting on complaints these are particularly complex cases they say and we are working to conclude them as swiftly as possible Peter thank you very very much indeed for your time this Peter Dunne he's director of safeguard defenders. Because you have previously had China correspondent for The Economist what you get the impression China is trying to do with its English language news channels but as it got one well it's been a huge expansion over the last 10 years is Chinese news channels Chinese sorry English language news channels English language newspapers magazines websites and the like it's trying in the words of Xi Jinping to tell the China story and when it says it's telling China story of course it means it's telling the Chinese Communist Party story the forced confessions are pretty pretty amateur mistake to make because people may force confessions than people that they were forced confessions so it's quite curious tactic is that I mean Russia Today France is a lot more well r.t. As it reached out itself is often a little bit more cautious and canny in the course and that's a line Absolutely I mean there are still many creative things about the English language or foreign language networks but there are also many very canny things there are there are now. How English language Web sites that you could be fooled into thinking was somewhat critical and you know quite interesting and they are indeed quite interesting but they are still essentially run by the party but there are what is it interesting about China's broadening of its networks is that it covers a huge range of things and it's trying to give the impression that it can cover the whole range of international affairs not just China and so China is just one part of it when it happens to be quite a sort of Mary Jolie picture which mostly has good news stories exactly who are trying to more and more on the show thank you very much David thank you again to Peter let's talk magazines now because bucking the trend u.k. Sales figures were up for the New Statesman in the 2nd half of 2019 I want to find out why Jason I should say I wrote a few columns for the magazine last year don't anymore you had an unlikely path to the ship of the New Statesman you were the literary magazine Granta you were a sports it's a pro that before he gets a new statement statement how is life. Well I was it was great but I was there very briefly I was there for one year is that it and I resigned after 8 months because. Wonderful set up owned by secret drowsing of the famous Tetra Pak family wonderful woman culture loving kindly Holland Park town house as the office beautiful apple computers on the desks. For shoes idea was to resign because why did I resign because. I got an offer to a New Statesman and he was about to be bought by a new owner and I met him at work the state's months before zealotry editor. In the late ninety's early 2000 so I knew the publication Well I didn't know this guy who was about to buy it it was own previously by Labor m.p. And I wouldn't work for him but I was approached privately by the man who became owner Mike and Mike Pence and I thought to myself This magazine is interesting with a great history has been under invested in for 4 decades it had periods of success a lot of peer many periods of decline and I was disinclined to take the job but at the same time I thought what if someone else takes it and makes success of it even really just a bit later you did not tell you the mike that's not a mark I don't know but did they tell you how bad the situation was commercially before you started no they didn't I was aware that things were the previous editor had done well in very difficult circumstances and I wasn't aware of how difficult circumstances were how do I know how bad they were I may still have taken the job I would have negotiated a marketing budget Ok but I negotiated with. Uplifting the editorial budget I went over there so it's a 2nd let's talk before and the losses were when you took over 2000000 circulation so you lay shim you know it was that somewhere between low twenty's. And not much web traffic yeah and what losses today. We don't have we're very small but we really don't have any great basically basically Brady breaking What's the circulation today nudging towards 40000 and then in addition to that we have Web traffic somewhere between 2 to 3000000 uniques visitors to the website every month that's that's a significant and Web audience for small magazine and in the balance of income between print into 2 How's that changed when you took over 12 years ago obviously digital income is rising but also we've got a little b. To b. Business. Specialist magazine specials websites and they're bringing good revenues too and we're looking to expand those. I know you're a big. American magazine culture how explicitly did you take magazines like The New Yorker or the Atlantic is your model more the Atlantic the New Yorker because although I always read in your community I'm a kind of a I'm a journalistic generalist I'm interested in lots of things but I was always literary and coach with journalist but I also knew politics and had a deep interest in politics and philosophy I'd never worked in the lobby so that of course it was an assumption that if you don't work in the lobby you don't know what's going on in politics and Westminster I mislead nonsense that you distance yourself from if the Labor Party and the left more broadly would you describe the politics the paper as now the politics I would make a skeptical I call independent liberalism but it's a magazine of the left but it's not programatic Lee on the left has this cause consternation among some of your longstanding staff and readers not my staff because they would be working I guess if they were unhappy with the editorial line what we are where I'm predictable in our positions were interesting good writing intelligent writing. Free free thinking. You know these places been I think it's been at its worst when it's been captured by the Labor Party. Crossman that is in the early seventy's and it was a mouthpiece for the Labor Party there's been times when it flirted with the extra parliamentary left times when it was a mouthpiece for New Labor and when Gordon Brown and Tony Blair were rising to power when Peter will be was editing it was kind of opposed to Blairism. Was still a kind of angry oppositionist you are surprised people what you were surprised to hear because my own reading is eclectic and. The market I admire the Atlantic because here was a magazine that was in deep trouble didn't know what it was it was a monthly print title it didn't know whether it wanted to be a monthly version of The New Yorker. And whoever it was that decided to reinvent it as a print digital high that we came in what are we going off websites not to think thinking about the Labor leadership I haven't really thought about it you haven't thought about it when you haven't thought about it well the other things to think about haven't followed the it's been going on for what months When's it going to end in the summer I haven't really thought about it as a pundit strikes me there's a something of a chasm between some of the loudest strongest voices in the print publication you mention people like John Gray and some of the voices that predominate New Statesman is brand and writing online is that true to say there are difference between the younger voices online and the old voices in print sometimes yes I think so but we've always nurtured young talent actually from the beginning of my ads to ship I think one of things I wanted to do was not hire a stop list for Fleet Street commentators was to find the next generation of political talent in the 1970 s. The young multi name is Christopher Hitchens James Fenton Julian Bond incredibly or worked on a New Statesman the same time so I don't know the editorship of turning out Ok one isn't going to discover necessarily the next day miss the next Hitchins but we have discovered Helen Lewis Stephen Bush. On the Guardian many has Sanny a ferocious polemicist is now in America Ok we have discovered some significant young journalist at last year one of you which are an extra juice the late Roger Scruton then person a picture about it on Instagram and the government Sachs groups and as a result of that coverage from a voluntary Percy had the governor later apologized to him What is New Statesman get wrong. I think journalists make mistakes and the journalist made a mistake he learned a painful and difficult lesson from that the matter was dealt with internally. Apology was made to screening difficult scrutiny of been the New Statesman's one critic for The irony is if he wasn't an enemy of the publication I knew I know him or knew him sadly he died in the end of last year I read 7 or 800 books you know had had the journalist come to me and said look I want to publish a 6000 word profile of what you said go ahead how damaging do you think that episode was to the magazine I think not damaging because it was an aberration had it been. Pre meditated editorial a thought on this individual then it would have been very damaging but I think people know the under way to the statesman is fair minded high minded even and one has to live by those principles matter was dealt with an apology was made and we've moved on Rosey Why did the economists conclude that intelligent life which is the magazine which 83 replaced was working it wasn't it wasn't working but intelligent life was a problematic name to key in the us where it is seen as a sort of magazine about U.F.O.'s and what we were doing with 843 was changing the business model a bit so this intelligent life was sold on a subscription basis with some sponsorship and $843.00 is is with an advertising model primarily print in in the 1st iteration now print and digital and moving into part cost it fell to my money it was just about breaking even and what do yourself it's like to you because it's quite hard to separate yourself from his from because if you subscribe to the columns you get 843 as I understand it some subscribers get it right I was get lucky you know you know how many individual situations are out of the 8 people so we've got about about 10 percent is newsstand and subscriptions and then the rest of the readership is from economist subscribers Ok there are a huge range of subjects coverage covered in each edition of your magazine How do you try to keep a coherent identity to a magazine any magazine where you're covering such disparate subjects so in terms of the ongoing idea running through the entire magazine The thing is storytelling so when we do fashion when we do travel when we do design when we do food it's all about stories so you won't read anyone you know here's what I did on my holidays in the travel section it's a memoir it's a personal story the same with the fashion shoot we build it into his the story of you know where his the story of the power suit so that's why. On thing that we do throughout whatever we're covering but the other thing we do which I think is probably. Not something that the reader would notice but hopefully means that we have a coherent magazine each time is essentially we have 4 types of features in each issue one that is emotional something in your emotional life which could be work to one that is something from society one that's a piece of rep or Taj and one that's a profile and there are some overlaps but if you have that as your kind of 4 categories I hope that that I versity has some coherence Chris among the really corny essays on power suits in the critical plan any We've got a piece in one men dress a badly in the last issue now that I don't know apparently they do men do generally no more can you do with the critic say the spectator standpoint can't well we did read a letter which can be a bad thing so obviously all of these magazines are not selling it here why do you need to be a big you know I'm going to be entirely honest about this there's a danger in being. Too self-referential to this self-love is dangerous when you see meet anyone who says yes it's a chunky long form upstream magazine or force an idea is. To take step by whenever anyone says that too so it's not so much the format which gives a space to write it's developing the idea it's commissioning willingness to entertain ideas which perhaps aren't getting house room elsewhere so it's to do possibly unfriendly things and friendly fashion when William Buckley launched the National Review in Vermont 155 he said Its mission was to stand a through history yelling stop and I want sort of publication with a mission to stand for history getting go what your mission. Our mission is soon to tell the truth as a rush to see it just let them do that it's a unique proposition it shouldn't be it dumps in the Shouldn't be a subpoena trying to claim that the Us peach their print product are not telling the truth of God is a federation. But I think there is a possibly I think there is an opportunity for the critic in the u.k. In u.k. Has been traditionally newspaper culture dominated by the the big the big newspapers but as new pace was going to decline in many ways lose confidence in the long piece all the more for for deliberative piece of writing analyses this is where these small magazines such as such as the critique have have an opportunity you have a distinctly right wing position but I think you're you're different from the spectator in the sense that your article was more thoughtful even more ambitious well and right back at you the best thing about your editors ship of the New Statesman has been the nonsectarian course you've brought to your over the left beginning with the left so again this is not for any shit spectator we have a lot between we are doing our bit day to day trench war for s w one politics we broken some stories just this week and last week but it's not about s w one bubble politics it's about ideas which might be relevant 40 years ago relevant 40 years time but we're going to give people a $4000.00 words to do that line $4000.00 words well I don't know what you pay what you pay per hour we're doing pretty well but if I heard you this week can't say that or I know that you get many many many but also I'm also you know just of a different journalism pay different guy that's my that's that was I was trying to help catch him out there you know about funding to fund these guys who funds you Christopher we have a very nice man called Jeremy Hosking who I think his main claim to fame is that he owns most steam engines in the country and he's an asset manager gave a lot of money to breaks apart I guess what's he saying or so but because I come from the Tory in totalist and politics I'm not a 100 percent sure what's happening in let's see all Western industrial capitalism so I think that's what it late See now it's Ok you you preserve the European Research Group is you know isn't Jerry Hall. Try to do what you're trying to do is give us a voice imprint to 17400000 people vote for breaks it who maybe are in your view represented you know it makes a coach not program muscularly a consequence or breaks it but there's certainly a tonal thing which will it's to break that. It's 1st so there were received opinions which want getting enough time and the point of the magazine so yes let's talk about some of these things perhaps when talked about enough in the run up to break that surprise that the critic or are these presidents President 40 three's or why launch in print I mean isn't the isn't the thing to do to cut the production and distribution costs of print and just go digital and save all that money you've got for a digital product is that I think we keep hearing about print being dead but we haven't seen evidence of it yes and I would say that magazines are the coffee table books of our day and what you're seeing is a real kind of blossoming of magazines that are aimed at interest engagement provocative challenging I think we all think that we do that I hate think we'll probably do they're not necessarily aimed at men or women they're not aimed at particular hobbies they're not aimed at a particular standpoint they're all they're sort of saying hey this interesting stuff out here let's you know let's look at it but is the is the British public is there enough other enough people in Britain they want new stuff Jason I think they're on I mean we have a smaller elite in the United States always a much smaller population so I don't think these magazines will ever sell huge numbers but I think there's a where we're growing is also overseas but that's for our website because 3rd of our traffic now is in North America so we've hired Jeremy cliff from The Economist as our international editor I'm just about to appoint a Washington editor I'm appointing an Asia editor in Mumbai because we're not we're not in will interest in our journalism from outside of you actually seeking those people leave I did for the people we will Jeremy I post from The Economist are delighted to say we are we have a titles for 5 years you're still hope for education and how many copies of the critic do you need to say well I had coeditor abilities. Strivers I mean one of the lackadaisical approach to the finances it seems like you should have I would have thought that if I was one of my time in print you'd have to have a very clear idea of how many copies you need to sell and if you don't you be in big trouble will be very relaxed fall into this I hope is that because you're losing a lot of money with the cracked on stuff that is not yet let's see who will own for 8 years down which we're not yet losing a lot of money because when we've been existence 5 issues there's only so much I know but just know your couple of those 5 issues presumably you've spent more money than you've got so far which is understandable because I mean this is a we're going to try and get to breakeven by about $3.00 years' time so it's free a plan at the moment it's print of 20000 copies subs and used on overseas 4500 moment to create whatever that means that's Jude 3 read I don't I don't I don't quite understand we say how many how many copies do you need to set of the critic for you to be able to make if we hit the 10000 mark with my advice Chris would be you must you must have a web presence Yeah you must have a digital profile for which you can then sell your magazines and more people can read it who aren't necessarily receiving in the United Kingdom that's the key I think these magazines they have to be vibrant online as well so yeah I think that's absolutely right and you have to have a number of present you know the online presence also a digital presence in the app so that if you're reading it in one form even if you are print reader you might then continue reading it in digital and then you need use letters and that's also not not behind mind but this but it's the only way to break into the cycle Baldrige That's completely right a nice theme for ending thought because I'm surprised how civilized discussion is but I was hoping you'll throw bricks each other but you've been nice which is nice because this is radio for the caucus to feed us thank you very much indeed to all our guest Jason Carroll the editor the New Statesman Rosie Blore as of 843 and Christopher Montgomery whose courage of the critic and earlier we heard from Peter darling of safeguard defend is thank you so much to you for listening and see Will next week. 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The Weinstein in New York has just found the former movie producer guilty of sexual assault and on a charge of rape although they did not find him guilty of all the charges we'll hear life from Ben right in New York and we'll bring you reaction to that also on pm It's not an official pandemic but in the course of the weekend coated 1000 coronavirus started having a massive effect in a European country close to home because the supermarkets and the shelves are empty leisure senses and gyms academic is the troops university schools nurseries have all closed down and of course you do stay clear of people when they're coughing a bit too much as well we'll bring you the latest from northern Italy where 6 and are confirmed dead from the virus and should we be cancelling our travel plans we'll put your questions to our expert guests will celebrate the life of one of Nasa's most under celebrated mathematicians Catherine Johnson who's died at the age of 101 and will this be a thing of the past good teamwork family good luck monotones I had a. Little girl. While football associations in England Scotland Northern Ireland have banned primary school children from heading the bowl in training we'll hear from the professional footballers union with the b.b.c. News throughout the hour Alan Fleming in the past few minutes the disgraced film producer Harvey Weinstein has been found guilty of rape and sexual assault by courts in New York the jury clears him on 2 similar charges Weinstein who was one of the most powerful people in Hollywood had been the subject of multiple accusations but was prosecuted on charges relating to 2 women. The World Health Organization has said that the corona virus I'd break is not out of control globally or causing large scale deaths but it has the potential to become a pandemic a rise in the number of cases in countries outside China has caused global stock markets to tumble because of worries about the economic impact of the disease the largest outbreak in Europe is in northern Italy where 7 people have died and 11 times have been placed in quarantine our correspondent Bethany Bell reports from the northern city of Pia chintz or the author and she say it's still not clear how the virus entered a silly but the effects of caused widespread disruption in the north schools universities in museums have been closed football matches in the last 2 days of the Venice carnival have been cancelled shops and restaurants in the towns in and around the exclusion zone have been shut and many of the streets are deserted the authorities have appealed for calm but no one knows how long the lockdown will last China has a nines to ban on the sale and consumption of wild animals scientists think that the new coronavirus may have passed from a bat possibly to a pangolin and then on to human beings. The 1st day of an extradition hearing from the Wiki Leaks co founder Julian Assange Inge has heard a claim that to reveal the names of American intelligence sources who subsequently disappeared will it Crown Court was told that Mr its own she was guilty of straightforward criminality for hacking into and publishing u.s. Military data bases Mr songes lawyer said the 48 year old would be denied a fair trial in the us and would be a suicide risk Naomi criminally reports from the court James Lewis Keesey acting for the American author a tease told the court mistress on Childress lives when he decided to publish an redacted intelligence material from the Iraq and Afghan wars including informants names mistress songs his lawyer Edward Fitzgerald Keesey suggested that the extradition request was politically motivated by the trumpet ministration which had made no secret of its dislike of journalists and wanted to put a head on a spike by making an example of his client a man has been found guilty of murdering a pensioner by shooting him with a crossbow outside his home in North Wales 74 year old Gerald Corrigan from Anglesey was lured outside late at night after his killer disrupted his television signal last Easter 39 year old Terry will was never revealed the motive for the attack will be sentenced later. The Food Standards Agency has told b.b.c. News that Facebook must take responsibility for users who are using the site to sell meals from their own homes without being registered with the local council Facebook says all users are selling products must be local laws and regulations and this Crawford reports Facebook marketplace is like a car boot sale online anyone with an account can advertise goods and services free but b.b.c. News has found some uses a selling home cooked meals and even roll meat using a platform without. Just ring with the local council even though the law says that regular sellers must do say now the f.s.a. Has called on Facebook to take responsibility and ensure users do follow the rules Facebook insists any listings which violate its commerce policies will be removed the football associations of inclement Scotland and Northern Ireland have banned primary school children from heading the ball in training sessions the move is in response to research suggesting that former professional footballers are more likely to die of degenerative brain disease the Welsh EFI said its guidance was under review Thank you well the Harvey Weinstein verdict came in just a few minutes before we were on air perhaps not a surprise the jury found him guilty on at least some of the charges as they had submitted questions to the judge that rather implied they were finding him guilty on some crimes but was struggling to reach unanimity on others but the fall of the film producer is now complete and legal and we can talk to Ben Wright who joins us from outside the court and Ben I think we should you should explain what he's guilty of and what they found him they didn't find him guilty of because there was a rather complicated relationship between some of the it the charges. You're right have been overlapping charges that I think made this a very difficult case for the jury to consider and they had spent 5 days deliberating about what they would do the 2 women at the center of this the who had made the allegations against Harvey Weinstein that brought this case to court where Miriam Haley a former production assistant who accused Harvey Weinstein of sexually assaulting her in 2006 in his New York apartment and Jessica man a former actress who testified that Harvey Weinstein raped her in 2013 in a New York hotel now the jury. Has found Harvey Weinstein steamed guilty of a criminal sex act in the 1st degree in relation to Miriam Haley and rape in the 3rd degree pertaining to Jessica man so very serious criminal sexual convictions that will carry very heavy prison sentences for Mr Weinstein the jury there was also considering whether or not they could convict him of predatory sexual assault this was complicated because even though those 2 women have that that's the case against Harvey Weinstein was built on the accusations of those 2 women the jury was also considering evidence provided by a 3rd woman Arabella Skeel or a former actress in The Sopranos who claimed that Harvey Weinstein raped her in the mid ninety's now that was too long ago to form a separate part of the case against Harvey Weinstein in this case but if the jury had decided that there was a 1st degree sexual assault. That happened in relation to and about us ski aura and one of the other 2 women then they could have passed a guilty verdict a predatory sexual assault which could have meant life imprisonment they haven't done that but as I said these are 2 very serious convictions that Harvey Weinstein now has been delivered by the jury and it means a very long time in prison do you know will get the sentencing but what was the time scale here. I don't I think it could be a day or 2 but I'm going to have to check I'm not sure how quickly they the sentencing does come down from the Supreme Court of the state of New York but as I said the jury certainly took quite a while to come to this verdict and had lots of questions for the judge during last week in particular on Friday they sent a note to the judge asking if they found if they if they came up with a unanimous verdict on 3 counts could they have a sort of a hung Burdick on the other 2 and the judge said just go back and try and come up with the. With a unanimous verdict on all on all counts and that's what they have done they took the weekend to think about it they reassembled here about an hour and a half ago and then just before the court breaks for lunch said that they have found Harvey Weinstein as I said guilty on those 2 counts I notice one feminist author just villain t. Tweets the cheering you hear is the sound of female journalists finally being able to drop the alleged before rapist Harvey Weinstein in their columns Well there we have it 2 out of 5 charges he's guilty on will get many years in jail for those not guilty on the predatory sexual assault which would have got to him which was indeed a life a life sentence we should also say there are 4 counts of felony sexual assault facing Harvey Weinstein in Los Angeles so this case is not the last of the legal cases or let's just step back for a few minutes and let's look back at the case and it Harvey Weinstein not a tough week has put this together for Harvey Weinstein thank you Harvey Weinstein Harvey Weinstein who had the guts the courage the commitment specially Harvey Weinstein a man of dedication a vision to fully appreciate Harvey Weinstein's influence in Hollywood look no further than the industry's biggest night the Oscars the movie mogul was one of the most praised film producers name checked by stars accepting their awards such as Meryl Streep I just want to thank my agent Kevin you've been and God Harvey Weinstein. That all changed when a sweeping investigation by The New York Times followed by The New Yorker in October of 2017 reported allegations that he preyed on women for decades including films leading ladies the 1st to go on the record were actors Ashley Judd and Rose McGowan who said he raped her he is a sociopathic predator he thinks he's done nothing wrong I wish just one person. Stephan said no more a flood of accusations followed allegations by numerous women who say the Hollywood mogul sexually harassed them altogether more than 80 women have accused him of sexual misconduct including rape Harvey Weinstein has denied any acts of non consensual sex even Hollywood a listers Angelina Jolie and when it raising their voices his ultimate downfall was a monumental victory for his accusers it ignited the me to movement and set the stage for investigations in Los Angeles and London and his 1st criminal trial in New York City to the prosecution's case so far. Except it's been years since Harvey Weinstein was last welcomed at any major premiere or event instead of a red carpet he has walked the marble and trains here at the Manhattan Criminal Court surrounded by a mob of Media Week after week cameras caught him looking frail using a walker his critics though say it was all just a ploy to recast himself as a victim than a rapist Last Hero. Thanks to. The trial played out publicly each emotional and graphic moment closely followed Harvey Weinstein faced sexual assault and rape charges related to 2 women the 1st Mimi Haley a production assistant who accused him of performing a forcible sexual act on her in 2006 she went public in 2017 with her accusations every Limberham of the aft was rolling over on his back saying Don't you feel we're so much closer to each other. To which I replied no. The 2nd woman remained anonymous until she testified in court Jessica man said she was in a degrading relationship with Weinstein and that he raped her in 20134 other women gave evidence to bolster the prosecution's case sharing strikingly similar accounts they told the court how his young spiraling. Actresses and models the influential producer dangled offers of jobs in movie roles and then got them alone in his home or a hotel room where he allegedly attacked them the cross-examination was not a pretty scene by any means Elizabeth like my sister is a senior reporter for Variety magazine and was present every day of the 6 week trial one of the most shocking moments was definitely just a command's testimony she had a 3 day testimony it was grueling she had to be taken off the stand numerous times she has said that she was having a panic attack at $1.00 of the women I was describing what his naked body looked like that generated a lot of headlines she said that the 1st time she saw him naked that she actually thought he was deformed when that happened Harvey put his head down and started shaking his head that was one of the only times that I could to really get a sense of what he was thinking of what are you thinking about what the body they want to know after a few more. Harvey Weinstein did not testify instead the defense focused on trying to discredit his accusers to prove the relationships were consensual 1 except the trial raised important questions about consent and victim shaming he used his power to silence his accusers but their courage to come forward has paid off not just for them but for the entire me too movement a very important trial indeed not of toll fix on the background to it and about. We'll get some we'll get some reaction will be talking to. His editor at large of The Hollywood Reporter who has met Harvey Weinstein so exactly quarter past 5 now. You can just give us the news headlines in the last half hour of the disgraced film producer Harvey Weinstein has been found guilty of rape and sexual assault by a jury in New York but cleared of the most serious charges against him the World Health Organization has said that while the corona virus outbreak has the potential . So to become a pandemic it's not yet out of control Italy has confirmed a 7th day the 1st day of Julian Assange is extradition hearing has heard a claim that he revealed the names of American intelligence sources who subsequently disappeared thank you lean so covert 1000 has hit northern if he 11 towns in lockdown many public gatherings canceled and several people have now died there it has become a clear hot spot very suddenly we'll hear from the mayor of one of the isolated towns shortly but even in northern Italian cities the effect has been marked and and sudden I spoke to a British man working in the city of modern the modern 110 miles southwest of Milan next aka lives just outside the city about 50 miles south of the lock down area and he told me the news and the effects of the virus did seem to hit Italy very quickly it did happen very fast actually I mean when we 1st arrived in Milan on Saturday I was a little bit aware that there were a few regions but the news broke very very quickly on Saturday and those horses and those restrictions and the like were put in place pretty quickly but I think there's been a real lack of information you know these things are going to force. Doesn't seem to be particularly forthcoming and I think that's creating some worry and some anxiety amongst the population now you went to Melanne over the weekend you went for a football game and the game was canceled right so until that happened I mean it was a very normal weekend for us but the message late on Saturday night but the game had been counseled and so had a handful of other games around the area so until that point we hadn't really had coronavirus impacts in that we can't talk and of course once that happened then there was a sort of slight panic about how to leave the city of ports or transport would be closed down because we had that there are 13 sounds just north of Milan but have been quarantined in this or the contagion area so there's panic starting to set up that point. Obviously it feels as though it's creeping towards you know bigger binaries like me than modern and it's getting closer to home and what affect on life in modern which is a big city with big companies and you know a lot of terrorist What is the effect on life in modern as of today well it is there's a kind of juxtaposition between most people who really feeling the pinch and those people who aren't and you know you go to the supermarkets and the shelves are empty but if you walk around the streets here in Malta I mean I was sitting outside a cafe today having lunch and the town itself didn't seem to be too affected by it I think this paranoia there's a lot of things that the inputs in place without any communication within the local area we've had all of the local authorities run leisure senses and gyms except those closed down academic institutes universities schools nurseries have all closed down and of course in parts of that is that coming to work today you know there's fewer people here because there aren't enough of the children and we did notice that there were so extra signs up at work about if you travel to certain areas both domestically and internationally and you wouldn't be allowed in the office and yet as there's been a futile restrictions that I was at the dentist this morning the 1st thing they did when I came in was to wash my hands for me the supermarkets have run out of hand well they ran out yesterday and face masks as well and no one in this area is we're sorry but certainly people are paying a lot more attention to hygiene you know lots of washing of times you do stay clear of people when they're coughing or bit too much as well this is Mardi Gras week isn't it and modern it does have accountable Yes So on Sunday actually it was the Congo and it was very different so last year they still went ahead with the convo it wasn't the scale of last year it's all in a certain when the amount of people in the streets compared to last this is of course just haven't seen the pictures myself but it just it does seem like there's a very different atmosphere and I believe the government of putting restrictions on public events as well in certain areas not on. I'm sure that will come from the south of Milan over the next few days as well was when the subpoena forced Nick stuck working in modern or so what's it like to deal with a population in a small town in lockdown I spoke to Angelo capita only mayor of Somalia Somalia it's a commune about 30 miles south of Milan and his words were translated by one of his colleagues the less it works Jani the situation is under control because doctors and hospitals and emergency systems are trying to control the situation of the virus and they are applying strict measures to contain the virus in action so mom can I ask where you got food and supplies for the for the people of Somalia and momentum is at Lemoore Minter there are no worries about food and medicines because at the moment the situation is totally under control of course or people is reacting they are both and they tended to over crowded supermarkets and the places where they can get to and medicines so also the chemist is often overcrowded at the moment an experience like this can be a real test for the town people might rise to the challenge very patiently they may rebel against the challenge what what has been the reaction of the people of Somalia. They're the only source sponsors basically people here have difficulty is in staying at home and it's specially the 1st day the 1st day people didn't know what was happening and now probably people are starting understanding what for really happening and how dangerous is going and moving from one town to another town so people basically have difficulties in respecting 100 per cent what the ministry has ordered this exclusion is jus to last for 15 days obviously it's easier at the beginning in the end are you confident it will it will hold for that tough 15 day period. Quest come. So we can predict how people react in the following days or however early making people's movement or avoiding that people go out of their red zone no coronavirus infection should be limited to about food at the moment we are. About to that situation because we will get food if we need it I mean as from. Keppen don't email so my are so my commune south I'm allowed which has been put into into isolation his words translated by an assistant he did actually say nothing like this ever happened in his experience there or in Italy. Now primary school children are no longer going to be allowed to head football Jaring training that's in England Scotland Northern Ireland new Football Association guidelines are going to put limits on how many heading sessions older children should be allowed to do Wales is still reviewing its policy but may follow this obviously follows research showing the form of footballers we're more likely to suffer from brain disease later in life than most of the rest of the population so a question certainly arises about whether this is the beginning of the end of the header in football Gordon Taylor is chief executive of the Professional Footballers Association you might call it the players' trade union I suppose and Mr Taylor thanks so much for joining us on pm And 1st your reaction to this if you like outlawing it among for training among primary school children well it's not surprising I found when there was talk of a link United States. Were very concerned over the effects of concussions and head injuries in their great anger game and the United States Football Federation and then banned it for youngsters playing I think it's needed the research that's been done by Glasgow universe day and Willie Stuart heading out to use part of medical group phone data Football Association looking into possible links with the repetitive adding in concussion there's been quite some changes in the way the players who can cost need to be looked after following injures to pets or check the goalkeeper because you go Lauren and so it's illuminates our. And it's even more pleasing that Scotland and Ireland are joining in with this and it also has the backing of you a for because this is not just an English issue it's European and world wide issue and demand sharing Nero generative diseases out Simas as people are growing older it's becoming increasingly common and in fact is the biggest problem I think once. Once people are over 80 years old but one of the questions that will arise out of this the very obvious question is if we if you're right and what you're saying is right why go for the halfway house in which there's no training but you're still allowed to head in the game itself. I do understand that and I think it's the fact that it's not specific because it needs to pay and there will be further research she told so show of course on a day when we've had. Problems of obesity highlighted and causing deaths to some 2000000 people having It is the fact of what wall I call the spores that have to look at this issue also create fear to persons both men young women the boys and girls and less chance of heart disease and cancer but the same time there is with the research showed some 7000 players born between 199070 9 were more prone to their comparative group of $21000.00 in Scotland where they have a data base which we don't have in England so that that we believe is the beginning of looking at the effects of repetitive heading and concussion and I think this is this starts to highlight the issue and this is the beginning but I whether it remains the end on whether football will be banned I think it needs more concurrent evidence we're also undertaking let me just ask you finally can you imagine or describe to me a game of football in which heading is not allowed heading the ball becomes like a ball in which you just float How different would the game be do you think. It would be very different and you know the there would be a feeling of reluctance unless it was categorically proven when you think of the nature of the game particularly in the past but it is a fact that. You wonder whether the fact they have a grounds and they have a balls. Had an effect in later life of our albeit I think these days the emphasis is on much more controlled possession football so the nature of the game is already changing so I think that remains to be seen and having is really important football also tries to make sure it remains the most popular spectator sport but of the overall participant sport because of the good it creates Gordon Taylor thank you very much indeed for joining us Brits are going to get hurt people are going to get steamrollered the women and men who helped shape modern California as the depression said Sinclair had a plan socialism and the poll numbers were looking good. Only after Sister Emmy swung into action true stories narrated by Stanley Tucci was and she had reason to be white supremacist murdered her childhood friend stories told with a twist of Hollywood time the right to say where I would have done the Californian century continues b.b.c. Radio 4 Monday to Friday at $140.00 phone if. And it's 28 minutes past 5 now and all in Flemington just give us a summary of the news. The American film producer Harvey Weinstein has been convicted of sexual assault and rape by jury in New York but it phoned him not guilty of the most serious charges of predatory situ assault and 1st degree rape which could have carried a life sentence he's been handcuffed in court and will be held in custody the allegations against Harvey Weinstein once the most powerful man in Hollywood few the me too movement which inspired women worldwide to bring misconduct allegations against powerful men. The World Health Organization has said the corona virus outbreak peaked in China a few weeks ago and is now in decline it said the recent spike in cases in Italy South Korea and Iran were deeply concerning but didn't yet constitute a global pandemic that's when an infectious disease spreads easily from person to person in many parts of the world stock markets in the United States has suffered a sharp drop following falls elsewhere in the world as uncertainty surrounding the coronavirus deepens in London the 100 index close to 3.34 percent dine the biggest drop since January 26th seen wiping more than 60000000000 pounds off share values. A car has been driven at high speed into a crowd watching a carnival parade in a small turn in northern Germany Witnesses say the Missy's estate was still accelerating when it hit the onlookers and fulcrum Osten reports suggest more than 30 people were hurt 10 of them seriously the driver has been arrested e.u. Ambassadors have agreed a mandate for talks with the u.k. On a post BRICs a trade deal to be approved tomorrow by ministers from the 27 member states the language has been tweaked to see that e.u. Standards should serve as a reference point for common standards that evolve over time this means e.u. Rules would be a benchmark rather than something the u.k. Was obliged to fall. The NASA mathematician Catherine Johnson who helped launch the 1st American astronaut into orbit around the Earth has died at the age of 101 her rule was highlighted in the 2016 film hidden figures which tells the story of African-American women who worked on early space missions including the moon landings NASA said Catherine Johnson's legacy of excellence had broken down racial and social barriers. Thank you well we'll go back to that top story Harvey Weinstein guilty on 2 counts one of criminal sexual act in the 1st degree and one of 3rd degree rape he was acquitted of the most serious charge of predatory sexual assault but guilty on 2 and is being held in custody now before receiving his sentence which will be many years in jail now this is this is how u.s. Media have been reacting to that news. John King in Washington so major breaking news in New York a jury just moments ago finding the all time Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein guilty of 2 felony sexual assault charges the jury delivering a not guilty verdict on 3 other counts while Steve Case the jury had been deliberating for 5 days was deadlocked on Friday they have come to a decision Harvey Weinstein is found guilty on at least 2 counts including 3rd degree rape and a criminal sexual act but a New York City jury has found the former movie mogul not guilty on 2 charges of predatory sexual assault and another count of rape. Well it's obviously dominating the news there lots of reaction actress Rizana Arquette one of the high profile accusers of 1000 tweets it gratitude to the brave women who testified and to the jury for seeing through the dirty tactics of the defense she added will change the laws in the future. And I think we can just now hear a little bit of Cyrus Vance He's been speaking he is the New York district attorney in fact I think he may just be finishing up we got a clip of him. This is the new landscape for survivors of sexual assault in America I believe and this is a new day. It's a new day because Harvey Weinstein has finally been held accountable for Prime's he committed the women who came forward courageously and at great risk made that happen. Weinstein is a vicious serial sexual predator who used his power to threaten rape assault trick humiliate and silences victims Cyrus Vance Jr The New York district attorney not the secretary of state in the Carter administration wanted joining us a 2 journalists both have investigated Harvey Weinstein and I'd like to get reaction from both of them to Martha's editor at large of The Hollywood Reporter She in fact asked Weinstein about his behavior decades ago when she had lunch with him also joining us rich McHugh who was the producer of n.b.c. News who was working with Ronan Farrow to uncover negations against Harvey Weinstein a few remember the story n.b.c. Didn't in fact pursue those allegations so far and McHugh took them to the New Yorker magazine which did publish them absolutely playing a very big part in the downfall of the producer Kim Moss is 1st of all let's just start with your reaction to these 2 guilty counts. Well I think it's obviously a great day for justice for women and I mean I have to note the irony of Cyrus Vance Jr taking a victory lap after he actually allowed Harvey to get away with this arguably for years but Ok Now Harvey diminished in power he became vulnerable at the time when I asked him about this 20 years ago he was at the absolute peak of power and this story could not have been done many tried I tried to let it New Yorker but running faro rich McHugh Jerry cancer at the New York Times and make until we got the story the brave brave women came forward and I think it's a very heartening outcome and just remind us Kim what Harvey Weinstein said when you in fact asked him about his behavior. Well he had said to me as a 1st time I met him he came in very aggressively very angrily I've written something he didn't like he said what have you heard about me and I just felt like this was the time now or never and I said I've heard you raped women. Richmond However this lunch I will add was off the record so it was very frustrating and that you know he basically was saying when he answered me that he basically acknowledged that he had had sex with women who who contended this was not consensual and it was very frustrating that there was nothing to be done for so many years the matter how we try and it is amazing you this is going back to 2000 rich McHugh you and Ronan Farrow. Published the allegations what is it to have been over 2 years ago what are you feeling right now you we should say you were in court I think is the is the verdict came. That's right and I'm feeling I don't know I guess the word is just gratified. Heartens and I don't know my I'm just my heart's beating because it's it's just so. Seeing it's front and center being there present for it you know being you know one of the journalists who covered this at the beginning you're sincere to begin with just people had been working on this and. Others have been working on it and trying to create the way so but to be here and to see it actually you know seeing him be remanded was just absolutely gratifying Yeah Rich Can I just ask you about the questions about the conduct of the trial and the pursuit of the victims. Noticing Rosanna Arquette saying the law needs to change that do you think. That was a pretty aggressive defense wasn't it and I wonder whether you think lessons have to be learned about that coming out of this. Well you know I'm a journalist so it's a bit hard for me to say but. If I'm speaking personally I'd say you know perhaps yes some Was need to be change or the way we look at prosecuting these crimes may have to change but I am no legal expert I just know that when you have 80 or a 100 over a 100 women who come for should it be this difficult to prosecute I don't I don't believe it should be and so I don't have the answers but I think we should be looking at the Says a culture what did you make of the fight the jury couldn't agree on what was the most serious the most serious charge really it really about a pattern of behavior that would have been if he'd been found guilty guilty and life in prison you know it's hard to say because that with all the journalists who were sitting in the courtroom we were scratching our heads I wasn't there for the testimony that. You know those cases but some said the most those the testimony was was rock solid so it's hard to know what a jury ultimately is going in on and believes I'm sure we'll find out I'm sure what you're but you know at the very least he was found guilty today and I think that's the important thing is a victory for women he will Kim I mean this isn't a big big day for the whole me to movement isn't it because it really does I think it just it marks a kind of a. It goes from if you like mere accusation and a change in culture to a real sense that you know you're not going to get away with this. Yeah you know my instinct there are a lot of legal analysts saying he would be acquitted and maybe looking through some . Very specific lens it seemed like you would but I always felt really that he wouldn't because sitting in the courtroom day after day listening to this testimony I think had to be something where they maybe they figured had to figure a way to find him guilty but there were reservations among some jurors so they split the baby so to speak but I just have to feel that also what the prosecution managed to do was to somewhat educate the jury and I think that's what's so important that the sort of movie or t.v. Version of rape where you know the woman is never speaks to the person again and it's just really kind of a fiction and that these women had been in touch with him again but that this is not a typical behavior in a victim with someone like Harvey for some you know dealing with someone like Harvey Weinstein I think that education may have been critical and may seep into the broader culture that's why I hope that is a very interesting very interesting reflection will Kim Masters and rich McHugh thanks so much for talking to us and what is. The end of a very important trial thanks very much. Different regulators around the world had their differences with Facebook over the years the latest is perhaps not one you might have expected the Food Standards Agency it was Facebook to take responsibility for users who are selling meals on the platform from their own homes the f.s.a. Is warning that sellers who haven't registered with or been inspected by their local council could be putting a public a risk Facebook insists users must follow local laws and regulations Crawford has this report. I'm off to pick up a takeaway. Good thank you very much you know that. You like not I'm. My local fish and chip shop from a woman I've never met who made it in her own kitchen and is advertising on Facebook marketplace and she's not the only one individually not a lot of money but taking the size of the marketplace put it all together. And unregulated uncontrolled Tony Lewis is a food safety expert scrolling through the adverts on Facebook we find everything from curries to children's party bags and this is one you would expect to find absolutely look at the look at the day on the status of the Yes you heard that right the carcass of a whole Dia bought from a butcher or has it come off the back of a lorry somewhere we just don't know there is no information about what they contain We don't have a list of ingredients has it been stored how we got out a whole load of allergens in the sun declared always sure about the temperature at which we're actually cooking the worst case. But do these home cooks know the regulations so how does it work you just set up on Facebook and we don't have to tell what the carrots or the things you know she says you don't actually she's wrong cook and sell regularly you have to be registered You may also be inspected and given a food hygiene rating I buy more meals and secretly record the results you have to. Use an hour they can't sell or. If I'm not exactly sure. Of how much they know about allergens in the gray area here's a real stocking other only not seen any of these what other and he's not seen any I didn't used to. So after 2 days driving around less assured us middle of the ticked up 8 meals roast chicken here I've got chicken and rice I've got a beef stew I've also got putting cakes and Solo says so it feels to me like it's time for a dinner party. Doesn't make me feel hungry I guess least. From the Food Standards Agency if something goes wrong with this food there are no cherub or mess personally about the consequences for them and that might follow the goddess of whether Facebook itself is a food business as a responsible platform it should be driving into anybody who's trying to supply and sell food through an expectation that they are complying with the regulations and there's Emma rose from campaign group unchecked ultimately anyone can start producing food from their kitchen using whatever ingredients they like whatever hygiene practices they like and at the moment local authorities for the most part don't have a clue who these people or whether based what they're doing. Knowledge. Just lack of knowledge not malicious and. I showed them a video of my food shopping. Letting Tanya Peru's is horrified her daughter Natasha died after an allergic reaction to sesame seeds in a sandwich from pressure you could use to have a clue do they say they're working in the food industry because they're selling they don't understand what knowledge in is just nuts is the only allergen that exists so they don't understand the question which is also very dangerous if you're asking something serious they're much say yes because they don't know what you're saying that that's appalling we'd like to see Facebook take some responsibility and we'd like that responsibility to extent asking anybody who is supplying or selling food through the platform are they registered and to have their food hygiene rating scheme get on the website there is an unavoidable moral obligation to help keep people Saif. Facebook said in a statement that sellers must comply with all political laws and Reagan. Ations it insisted any listings which violate its commerce policies will be removed and confirmed it's in touch with the f.s.a. To discuss the issue. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone can start a food business from their own kitchen if they follow the rules but when big tech meets home cooking regulators struggle to keep up I guess Crawford reporting that NASA has announced today the death of one of its most notable mathematicians Catherine Johnson at the age of $101.00 was Johnson's contribution to the Apollo 11 mission was under celebrated she was a woman she was black and she was the last one of the hidden figures of the Apollo program until there is a book and Oscar nominated film called Hidden figures brought to public attention the story of Catherine Johnson and others all point for entry is 2990 miles from where we want Colonel Clinton if we assume that this. 140 miles per hour well let's talk to Margo Lee Shetterly who in fact wrote the book hidden figures the American dream and the untold story of the black women who helped win the space race Margot tell us about cut Catherine Johnson. Yeah Evan thanks so much for having me on so Catherine Johnson was many things she was a mathematician she worked at at NASA after having a career as a public school teacher a math teacher in the public schools and then segregated Virginia and she went on to 2 to really she was on hand for one of the most signal moments of the space race between the United States Union which was calculating the trajectory for astronaut John Glenn's pioneering flight in February 1962 February 20th 1962 so you know as we're remembering her. We remember that incredible achievement and you know as you mentioned her contributions to the Apollo missions as well you know they call them computers I mean the and admit one of her lines the computers will Scott's in those days or so is that right because they would sit with slide rules and be doing a lot of computing Yeah I mean this this was a job category you know it's funny for us now because the computers this ubiquitous desktop electronic device but a cute computer was a job description it was someone who computed. Spent their days doing math and that was her job now of course your book brought to attention some of the figures who the public mind out of appreciated had made such a big contribution to the space race did she was she aware that perhaps there was this bias in public perception did she resented at any point. She didn't you know I've spent a lot of time with her and talked with her a lot and 1st of all when you when you speak to her when you speak to the other women about the work that they did the 1st thing they'll say is that we were doing our jobs you know they didn't they did not work in an era I think like the ones that the one that we're in right now or people publicized their every every aspect of their lives they were very down to earth and very quiet about it excellence was a huge part of what she did everything that she did she wanted to do it to the best of her ability what she did. And you know she she knew and they knew that they were part of something important they were part of a groundbreaking scientific and engineering endeavor and they felt part of the team you know but when you ask her you know her feeling is step we were just doing our jobs and I think she really felt that. She gave as good as she got and and was well respected by the men around her when she asserted herself and so she had a satisfying career and she certainly lived to a very good age Catherine Johnson who's died at $101.00 will moderately Shetterly thanks so much indeed for talking to us Margot's book hidden figures. Certainly worth reading It's 12 minutes to 6 now in Fleming can give us our last look at the headlines the Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein has been found guilty of sexual assault and rape the jury in New York cleared him of the most serious charges he was facing but the Manhattan district attorney said it was a new day for victims of sexual assault because Weinstein had finally been held accountable global stock markets a fallen sharply in response to a spike in cases of coronavirus outside China the football associations of England Scotland and Northern Ireland have banned primary school children from heading the ball into. Winning Sessions thank you Ali Well coded 1000 Kerner coronavirus suddenly seems to come much closer to home and one manifestation is how many conversations in these right here a concern people who are wondering about travel plans and it made us think you might have travel related questions we asked you earlier to e-mail queries in and I'm happy to say we have 2 people who could help answer some of your questions at least as best they can be answered Simon Calder is the travel editor of The Independent and with me in the studio Dr Ellie Cannon who's a g.p. And author Well we've had a lot of questions basically saying I'm going to x. Is it. Ask you in a way to give us some guidance on that but just one. Maybe I'll you can start with this which is the Olympics what are your thoughts on travel to Japan for the Olympics late July early August what are the risks and what are the options for ensuring against them wow to get out my crystal ball I think I think is hard to say and the reason it's hard to say right now is because we know from previous viral seasons and even viral epidemics like sa's and like swine flu that these things do tend to be seas now and they do tend to peak so it may be that we are about to see a peak and then actually the number of cases again to come down so I think it would be a risky business guessing in February what's going to happen in the summer while I've got you let me just put this one because this one I think is rather will see I'm taking targeted cancer drugs that affect my immune system how worried should I be about traveling to non affected areas I understand I shouldn't travel to China or South Korea but what about countries where the virus hasn't arrived yet and I think there is a kind of generalized concern about travel for people who might be you know more risky you know it would be it would affect them or if they were to get it yeah absolutely So somebody who is on cancer treatment is probably. Going to have their immune system suppressed someone therefore are in a high risk category so when we talk about the cases that have occurred in the cases where sadly people have actually died it has been in high risk groups so obviously people like that have to be particularly careful and particularly careful to protect themselves and I think there of course at the moment travel seems to be a bit of a source of red flag wherever you're going as we're now talking today about a city and other places so I think it's nonessential as we would say for anybody undergoing cancer treatment or any form of treatment if you don't have to put yourself at risk Please down to the moment where you actually mention one and I can't find it on my list I've got so many questions going to put this one to Simon because one of the questions from somebody Simon finished with the line what is essential travel and what is non-essential travel and I have done a little bit of a little bit of homework and I can tell you that the well my colleagues did really the Association of British unsure is frequently asked questions on that says a holiday to an area it's unlikely to be considered is until Can you fill us in on that side of the well that there's no great definition to it the foreign office likes to differentiate between essential and only essential travel but it really boils down to if you've got important family trip that you need to make or there is something on which your business depends and that's essential travel everything else probably isn't right but yeah just going back to the idea of of people who are older weakened immune systems they're the only people at the moment who the foreign office suggests for travel to Japan and South Korea might wish to give it a miss of course the one place that's right across the. Travelers is mainland. China is off the agenda and of course that means that your travel insurance is in fact aid if you decide to go there anyway that is essential travel only. I mean another one so I mean where is this essential that this is from be downed we no doubt a lot of other fans are wondering what our chances of being able to go to Rome for the Italy England fixture this is the the rugby on the 14th of March are and indeed whether the match will take place we already have tickets every have tickets is that essential travel probably but the match will be off if it's not essential travel I miss and I think it's a fair chance that the match will be called off because the Italian government is so certainly having showing their pundits of caution about this but I think we're also seeing examples of over about that of caution so for example the 1st strike out of Heathrow this morning. Actually had pushed away from the gate and then a passenger decided they didn't want to go to the band because it was fairly close to the 10 towers that it is a lot Betty that those who goes out and so they decided to get off the plane causing a fair amount of Kfar for and delay and I think that is a move which is frankly ridiculous because you've already done the risk is the cost of the journey which is going through and that's where we leave Simon Calder in the pm program on Radio 4 long way for today it was presented by Evan Davis studio production was by Rowan Madison and the editor was Chris when press pm continues for a few more minutes on 92 to 95 f.m. While here on 19 a long way the shipping forecast issued by the Met Office on behalf of the maritime and Coastguard Agency of $175.00 on Monday the 24th of February there are warnings of gales in South Syria forties 4th time in Dhaka Fisher German byt Humber Thames Dover white Portland Plymouth Biscay Fitzroy Sol Lundy Fastnet Irish Sea Shannon and rock all. The general synopsis at midday low Scotland's 994 expected Denmark 9 a 7 for by midday tomorrow new low expected fare are 98 for by same time the area forecasts for the next 24 hours Viking north at Sera easterly 4 to 6 occasionally 7 in South becoming variable 2 to 4 winter showers good occasionally poor Sanford sirrah easterly 4 or 5 increasing 6 to get 8 occasionally severe gale 9 later rain and sleet for a time moderate or poor becoming good. Comedies force 40 cyclonic 5 to 7 occasionally Gale 8 in forty's and forth then variable 2 to 4 later rain and sleet for a time moderate or poor becoming good time to go west 6 to get a late occasionally severe gale 9 for a time to creasing 4 or 5 later wintry showers good fish or German bites a cyclonic 4 to 6 increasing 7 to severe 9 for a time rain or sleet moderate or good Humber Thames day over white west or southwest 6 to get 8 occasionally severe gale 9 at 1st except Humber showers moderate or good Portland Plymouth west 6 to get late occasionally severe gale 9 later showers thundery for time goods occasionally poor. Biscay Fitzroy westerly or northwesterly 5 to 7 occasionally Gale eights later in North occasional rain or drizzle good occasionally poor. So long as the fast nets Irish Sea Shannon west 6 to get a late occasionally severe gale 9 except Irish Sea showers wintry and foundry later moderate or poor occasionally good roll call malam cyclonic mainly westerly 4 to 6 increasing 7 or 8 in South occasionally severe 9 later in Rochel thundery wintry showers moderate or poor. Hebrides Bayley feral Pharaoh's cyclonic 4 to 60 creasing 2 or 3 a times thundery wintry showers good occasionally poor and southeast Iceland southerly 5 to 7 varying westerly 2 or 3 wintry showers good occasionally poor. That's the end of the Shipping Forecast now here's a look ahead to the general weather picture across the u.k. . Tonight across northern Scotland rain and sleet and Hill snow will clear to the east leaving a cold nights with mix of clear spells and wintry showers these largely but not exclusively confined to the west elsewhere in the u.k. a Chilly west and northwest wind will bring a mix of clear spells and showers the showers will be mostly to the west where they'll be wintry in the hills tomorrow will be a cold day for all parts of the u.k. Sunny spells and heavy showers for all regions the showers again turning wintry in the hills the best of the sunny spells will be found across eastern regions windy across the southwest looking ahead chilly in Breezy conditions will persist through Wednesday with a further mix of sunshine and heavy locally wintry showers Thursday a transient ridge of high pressure will reduce shower reactivity for most regions with lengthy sunny spells I can actually believe I'm reading that lengthy some expels anticipated the rain may threaten the far south. In a moment we'll hear what's coming up tonight here on Radio 4 but 1st have you made plans for your extra day. Off or you couldn't make the budget one of. The with more time. To 9 days each week if any there was a more conscious way that people gave space to informality and spontaneity a whole extra day. Is a potential space for the Turner Prize nominee monster Chetwynde I would encourage us all to behave in a way that we felt that we weren't allowed to behave through all the other rest of the days in the year. On b.b.c. Radio 4 tomorrow morning at 1130. We're back to it's nights where after the 6 O'Clock News There's a brand new $630.00 comedy for Radio 4 Sue Perkins hosts a show and tell celebrating the natural world and all its funny eccentricities tonight's edition comes from London Zoo where Sue's guests include b.b.c. Wildlife correspondent Nick Baker Ethan a botanist James Wong and comedian Lucy Porter make sure table is app 630 this is b.b.c. Radio 4 on long wave f.m. 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Further violence letter for admits Imad was her favorite child with Imad I had a Sperry special link when he was small and he just wouldn't let me go he just never wanted me far away to the point where when I had to go out I had to leave my coat and handbag in the corridor so that he would think I was still there but she lost him in France to an extremist with a shotgun and 2012 when I went to where it happened I actually hoedown I wanted to find something from him something written and I picked up a bit of the earth there and I screamed that if I managed to turn the grief and horror into something positive remarkable story after this this is the b.b.c. News if you know MacDonald Hello the Us technology giant Apple is warned that it won't achieve its forecast revenues for this financial quarter because of the corona virus outbreak both production undermanned in China the world's biggest market for smartphones have been affected more from our business reporters are we Thomas this is a problem we're probably going to expect to see from multiple companies because a number of stores had to close down because of the coronavirus Apple has closed all of its stores in China so it's not selling as many i Phones at the same time it's not making as many i Phones or any of its products because the factories there have been very slow to open which means it's not going to be making as many to sell in other markets so it's kind of a dual hit Apple's The 1st company to come out and say this isn't going to be good for them but they're certainly not going to be the last a number of companies are going to be impacted by this slowdown from the coronavirus health officials in China have urged patients who have recovered from the virus to donate blood to help treat those still critically ill antibodies in the blood could help those still fighting infection the latest official figures from China deaths from the virus at more than $1800.00. A document seen by the b.b.c. Suggests that some of the estimated 1000000 Muslims placed in Chinese internment camps were sent there simply because they had a beard or were a veil others were considered potentially radicalized by the authorities because they had applied for a passport the document appears to set out how officials decided the fate of weaker detainee's after recording intimate details about their personal lives the chief executive of Amazon Jeff Bezos has pledged 10 $1000000000.00 to help tackle climate change the fund will begin giving grants with an months Mr Bezos is the richest person in the world with an estimated fortune of $130000000000.00 Here's our North America Correspondent Peter Bowles this isn't the company that he can profit from these are indeed grants that will be awarded to various organizations starting this summer activists scientists non-governmental organizations who are pursuing the goal of tackling this he put it the devastating impact of climate change and his quite short social media posting he said we can save the earth but he stresses that collaboration is needed between all of these various organizations and individuals a newly appointed advisor to the British government has resigned after he was criticized for comments he made online about pregnancies eugenics and race opposition parties had called for Andrew so Biskit to be sacked for suggesting among other things that black Americans have a lower average i.q. Than white Americans misses a bisque insisted he was the victim of a character assassination he said he was stepping down so that he didn't become a distraction b.b.c. News. Albania's prime minister Eddie Rama's welcomed a pledge by international donors to provide more than $1000000000.00 towards reconstruction efforts following an earthquake last November more than 50 people died and thousands lost their homes guides along the reports it is Magic said Albania's delighted prime minister at the Rama following the donors conference in Brussels a study had shown that rebuilding quake damaged homes and infrastructure would cost $1200000000.00 international donors have just pledged total slightly in excess of that more than a 3rd of the aid will come from the European Union and its member states European Commission president of on the lion called the response phenomenal she said it showed that Albania belongs in all European family a federal court in Brazil is declared there's a 3 week long strike at the state controlled oil company Petrobras is illegal more from Leonardo Russia the president of the court a judge if it's gone there has ruled that Petrobras can impose the discipline the reaction in fines on workers and the unions involved if they don't return to work immediately the unions balloted for strike action after the company announced a dismissal of nearly 400 employees from a fertilizer plant in the southern state of paranoia thousands of workers across the country have joined the strike but that robustus production hasn't been affected that is Brazil's biggest company any serious damage to its operations would have a major impact on the country's ailing economy the Venezuelan government has banned the Portuguese airline tap from traveling to the country for 90 days it accused the firm of allowing an uncle of the opposition leader one guy due to smuggle explosives on a flight between Lisbon and Caracas last Tuesday the airline said that that would have been impossible. B.b.c. News. Hello I'm Joe fiction and this is Outlook introducing you to extraordinary people around the world how do you find common ground with someone who's on the opposite side of an argument or take that 1st nerve racking step into a world outside your experience the b.b.c. World Service is launching a week of programs today on the theme of crossing divides so we've been deep into the outlook archives to dig out some of our favorite interviews with people who've crossed divides of their own is a taste of what will be Harry. As the former Colombian paramilitary who gave up the gun for a calculator and began teaching math to his former enemies including one he knew well he was my nemesis when I saw him come in I recognized them and I actually thought he had come for me to get. Lost took a deep breath and addressed his class full of angry students the 1st thing I did was to ask forgiveness because I knew that I represented that person who had harmed them and then what I did was I told them about my life started telling them who I had being I realized that this was the way to create communication that we were going to bring in unite people together unite the hearts and on the couch books of South Africa we'll meet a young albino woman who's plays the trail from the South African townships challenging assumptions about poverty and albinism all along the way I'm proud of the prison that I am and the 1st model with albinism in South Africa was successful and the 1st one in Africa who is successful as before the child that has never been able to be given a voice because people don't understand that we cannot if they're real we are not mystical beings we're just human beings born with a lack of pigmentation. That's it. But our 1st story takes us to France to meet a remarkable woman who stepped into the world of her son's killer to stop further acts of violence that is that even Satin was born in Morocco ran away from her domineering father at the age of 16 to marry a man she'd fallen head over heels in love with and she followed him to her wall in France where they went on to have 5 children one of whom was gunned down by an extremist it's what lot of it did next that made her a national figure in her adopted country and won her nor most respect in 2015 she was awarded the last young Donna the highest honor in France and nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize she told me through an interpreter about that heart pounding moment before she left Morocco illiterate and without a word of French. Criticism So the transition was very difficult but I want to say goodbye to my grandmother and I told her grandmother I'm really scared to new countries you know civilization is going to be a language barrier I love my husband but I don't know him that well I'm really scared and my grandmother took me in her arms and said look the key thing is just just keep smiling people will just trust you promise you and this advice really helped me when when I moved to France when I arrived in a wall many people did really help me out to break out of that solitude and achieve another dream which was to become a French woman what was the most significant thing you learned about being a French woman that represent God also double. The key thing was to you to integrate you know I was always practicing my French at 1st didn't make any sense to did I was put in the sentence is the wrong way round I was listening to music. Say I was watching a French t.v. . My husband was able Why are you watching you don't even understand me. But I just had this to say or to sort of learn because when you love a country and a did really love France you have to integrate a lot of women who tell me Oh you're so lucky you speak French now as them why don't you speak French well it's because we live in tower blocks where we live within our own community and we didn't have to Petunia Cheechoo to learn French by was to tell them did you really try and you have to also make that effort to then be able to transmit those values to your children she found work in a school canteen where she had to South Pole which as an observant Muslim was an uncomfortable thing to do but she thought well I'm in France do is the French to be Moroccan and Muslim but the French too it was a lesson she passed on to her children you know. When I went to France I went was all my a values all my love all my religion everything was in my heart so when I was bringing up my children and I was telling them that 1st of all you are French because you were born in France so I would tell them about you know about Christmas about Easter but I was also telling them about Ramadan because it's very important for their own identity that they know where they come from in that was her 2nd son and her favorite. And one of. Him at work was just an extraordinary little boy he was more than than his other brothers I mean of course I love all my children but the Matter How does very special link when he was small he just wouldn't let me go he just never wanted me far away to the point where when I had to go out I had to leave my coat and handbag in the car or a door so that he would think I was still there and he was a little bit shy yet so he was really kind of clinging onto me to be honest the umbilical cord was never really cut we could communicate just by looking at each other we actually had a special language where we just telling each other so much just with our eyes. And similarly I would know immediately if something was wrong with him and seen what was going on and who told me but how do you know and I would just tell him I humbly mother it's normal. And not right and and I think his love for me was it was just as strong to the point where his girlfriends were often jealous Paoli he was always talking have a. Saying how I was this amazing woman beautiful a great cook. You know. And once his girlfriend was even asked people why is he always talking about you he just like the love we had that connection we had was just incredibly strong. He joined the French army became a marshal in the 1st Parachute Regiment in 2012 when he was 30 in I had posted an advert on line for a motorcycle he wanted to sell and in the ad he revealed he was a soldier it was a detail that proved to be fatal. A man responded to the advert saying he wanted to come and take a look at the bike his real motivation was to meet a soldier and shoot him with the 11th of March was off duty and. He was to become the 1st victim a gunman has killed 4 people outside a Jewish school in the French city of Toulouse the man who drove away on a motorbike with a mark on the same description as managed for the previous killing of varies from single road turn. Off the man went on to kill 2 more soldiers as well as a rabbi and 3 small children at a Jewish school innocent people innocent children Security cameras caught the moment one child was cornered and shot dead at point blank range and it is the cold brutality of the government that are. The investigators say the gunman escaped the police for days the entire southwest region of France has now been placed under the highest terror alert there is an unprecedented police presence local police have been on and there is heightened security outside every school mosque and synagogue a French special forces squad has surrounded the harass where officials believe the suspect in the series of deadly shootings is hiding at 3 o'clock this morning especially if you need to bounty terrorist police moved on a house in a quiet residential neighborhood of Toulouse 2 miles from the Jewish school attacked on Monday the suspect Mohammed Merah a 24 year old of Algerian origin is trapped in an apartment building surrounded by police as the siege goes on as an apartment containing the man he said to be linked to a fringe old Qaeda group the siege would last 31 hours. The sound of intense automatic gunfire ringing out around the streets of this normally tranquil city the gun man suspected of killing 7 people in al Qaeda inspired attacks in southern France has been killed by police commandos as the commandos fired back there are jumps out of a window still shooting Mr fired 30 bullets as he burst out of his hiding place in the bathroom before a police marksman shot him in the head. Was killed at the scene afterwards police got hold of a body camera had been wearing tear in the attacks and recordings of the killings According to transcripts of the video showing Imad Steph Merican be heard demanding to know if he's a soldier he then orders Imad to get on the ground in that response I'm not going to lie face down I'm staying here you're going to shoot go on then shoot a gun is had to go off when you heard that that was how he had responded in those extreme circumstances what do you think and feel. That this. You know what will happen was obviously very difficult for me to get my head around I had always told my my son and actually all my children that if someone slaps you you stand up and if they slap you again you stand up again and I know that my my son died standing up and when I went to where it happened I actually hoedown I wanted to find something from him something written and I picked up a bit of the earth there and I screamed. Really loudly hoping that maybe I'd hear something back but nothing came back I talked to him and I was to lean down and I said Look I know your life will stop here but but not mine you know and I know you've left me a message and I will now stand up for you my son I promise you. I understand that 40 days after his death you were in the area where his killer. Had lived and that you talk to young people that. You tell me about those conversations that you had. After my son's death and I needed to investigate for myself I needed to to understand why he had been killed and so I went to where Mohammed grew up and lived and there I came across 6 or 7 young young men and I asked them Do you know about Mohammed My How do you know where he lived and they said oh yes he's a martyr is a hero obviously. The be able to and I said to them and understand you know how can you say this and to be honest was a bit scared I thought maybe they're going to like kill me but then I carried on nonetheless and I said look he's not a martyr he's not a hero he didn't love France and he's just a murderer who has graded a lot of suffering and then they did ask me but who are you and that's when I told them I am mother just to have a little time in a group probably sort of the purse order to be killed and one of the young men took me in his arms and said But look where we live we live in this ghetto where where the Republic has forgotten is you know you're very lucky you're coming here because you're trying to find out about your son but when I leave home my my own mother wishes me dead and that's when I understood that yes does young men to some extent where the origin of my suffering but I needed to work with them and reach out to them because. How do you make that decision hey you are you've had people just saying to you that the man who killed your son was a martyr How did you then reach the decision that you needed to help them. When I saw this young man who was kind of holding my hand and he was telling me Look my own mother wishes her dead just fed up with me I could tell that there was enormous suffering and then I asked him Have you no. Studied you have a diploma how old are you even and then he said Well I'm 25 and no I haven't done anything I've got nothing I haven't had luck and but I told him but it's up to you isn't it to make your own luck that's what that young man did then tell me Look you can do anything for me I'm already dead please why don't you go and help my little brothers don't give up on them go and talk to them the way you're talking to me and asked him why why are you saying it's it's too late for you I can do anything and he just dance it up for me it's over is too late already. And at the time I are I didn't have the experience I have today and I didn't see I just thought when he said I'm dead anyway that I just meant I have no future but then I found out that a few months later this distance young man had gone to Iraq and that he died there and this really has stayed in my mind has haunted men since the fact that I was unable to do anything at that time I mean it was only 40 days after my own son had died so I was still suffering incredibly And I just didn't know how to Givens him it's really thanks to dissing counter with these young men. That I'm doing what I did today 'd. What she does is seek out young people whose backgrounds and lives mirror those of the man who killed her and talk to them listen to them in school and in prisons those who are risk of becoming radicalized she tells them about a mask and asks them about their lives encourages them to aspire to more when they say for example that they want to grow up to run a combat shop she asks them why not a restaurant Why should immigrants expect less good food in the French 3 spending time with them she feels she has a better understanding of the conditions which foster extremism even led her to forgive her son's killer. I don't hold him responsible actually and this was a young man who hadn't been loved who hadn't brought up correctly his own mother abandoned him and he went from one foster home or family to another and he did grow up in hatred I have forgiven who he was the haven't forgiven him for what he did. I'm living in the hands of God lot of us as she spoken 210000 students and convinced at least 3 young men not to go and fight in Syria. But sometimes the families get in touch with me and I work with them over 346 months and so it's not only the lives of the young men I stop from going into Syria embracing fundamentalism it it's also the lives of all those who surround them all the family again we're talking about young men who are fragile who are vulnerable who in many ways off forgotten this is why it's so important to engage with them and give them a feeling that we are there for them in that is buried in Morocco that if I says in one way she's relieved he's not in France she would never be able to tell herself away from his grave site but she does still go and visit him. Or. My son is buried in Morocco it was his wish I had to respect it it was actually quite hard for me to respect that decision and I go there every month every month and a half and I go and visit him on his tomb and I talk to him I explain to him everything I did the people I saved every time also tell him I understand you wish to be buried here it's hard but I found out he's always with me in any in any case I see him a lot in my dreams for instance so he's never that far. It was a lot of bands Yeah 10 of us us yes yeah Imad him made the extraordinary choice to forgive her son's killer. And help people like him the interpreter was Estelle Doyle he would outlook on the b.b.c. World Service for many years South Africa was one of the most divided nations in the world segregated by color black people lived in townships often in poverty while whites with political and social masters' apartheid is over but the haling isn't Rafale way at Monticello has been trying to cross divides on 2 fronts you could say she was born in a township a black girl with white skin she has albinism a genetic disorder that affects pigment and people who have it face terrible prejudice in some countries including South Africa but she has made it her strength and a thing of beauty a famous Bintang Outlook's I'm part of a story I was born in a way to talk because township in South Africa I was raised in the township but I'm a class ago. When you say guys get to yes he is they get to it that's how we call things out here in South Africa how was your childhood like look I mean 1st of all I was born in the apartheid era I was a black girl being mistaken for being white you know in the township it's mostly black people people trying to identify exactly where where I fitted in you know because this was last in South Africa that was torn by race people were back and to understand what's going on with this girl is she whites and you know I would hear people calling me names I remember at school big the only child with albinism owing to her albinism they feel they also had trouble with her vision and had to sit close to the school board and studying took a very long time I think those difficulties had booked me into a fairy step in and tenacious place and I didn't want sympathy for people I don't want to feel like I was limited you're not going to dictate to me what I should and should not do as someone who was used to facing prejudice for the way she looked the be. Came as a surprise to her I was 13 years old I was in school and one of the seniors came up to me and she says My sis is doing a unique shoot they want somebody who's unique Would you be interested in the thought. Of dividend modeling what is that actually in terms of a person with albinism who spoke to my mother she was reluctant about it because as I said there was nothing like that ever been done in this country a person with albinism you know gracing the pages of a magazine or whatever the cases editor came mom you know why not and little did I know that that would be the beginning of the rest of my life and my destiny what happened after the truth oh. After I did that shit I think it opened me up to the world of wifely the model changing the notion of. By 2012 started making waves in the media she 1st walked on the fashion. Far for. She graced the pages in magazines I did a shoot for a billboard campaign one woman has called challenging notions about what a model should be and even selected as the face of legit a loco clothing company if you follow everyone you'll become everyone else you look the same dress the same be the same you'll blend in and never be seen but the fame came with warnings it's going to be difficult because she's quite young and she's going to get a lot of attention so that might be another pressure my mum kind of shied away from it but the funny thing is a mugging but bit me so often my I'm a tricky migrate. My mum is it Ok I'll give you the policing Go Go ahead going to cost things the fluid did face rejection you find is the superficiality of she does not fit the mold of what people are custom to so it's been such a fight what were people saying to you inter. Of their reasons for not wanting to give you work they didn't have to say anything you didn't get the gig because you know there was a huge meeting and concerned that you know is Africa ready How does that make you feel and when you heard those things it's hurtful but it's never stopped me from you know continuing because the one thing I always say is that you'll never make everybody happy it's your sanity your peace of mind your feeling of contentment of fulfilling everything that you need to is more important those who feel it has persevered and is now a household name in South Africa but there is always the threat of physical danger as superstitious killings of people living with albinism exist in some parts of Africa but refeed hopes the high profile will put an end to this superstition as before the child that has never been able to be given a voice because society says no that this is how things are as big for the child but unfortunately is getting killed. Because people don't understand that we are not mystical beings we're just human beings born with that with a lack of pigmentation that's it. I'm the 1st model with albinism in South Africa who was successful and the 1st one in Africa who is successful I'm proud of the person that I am but I feel as as to feel like it's not enough the minute you start to get comfortable then you stop hungering to do more so if you do still feels like she's a drop in the ocean that said the ocean is interests and that's me refer to my mother Sally South Africa's 1st Top Model living with albinism photos on Facebook such b.b.c. . This is the b.b.c. World Service bringing you the global perspective from the hearts of the b.b.c. 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Hello I'm Gerri fiction and here with outlook today we're on a tour of the globe to hear extraordinary stories of people who are crossing divides venturing into territory which is unfamiliar and daunting in a bid to improve things a little bit later it will be with Joe Mehlman born unable to hear as she enters the world of sound for the 1st time but before that we're visiting a classroom in medi in Colombia as Carlos Khanna is giving his 1st ever math lesson it went very badly when he entered the classroom compass is and will tell by the way the students got up and walked out I was introduced by that master to the statements it was a group of about 15 people and 12 of them walked out why did they take exception to you Well they saw me as the person who had done wrong to them as a member of a group who had created harm the group that Carlos have been part of was the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia also known as the a u.c. It was a right wing power military group at one time considered by the United States and Europe to be a terrorist organization set up in the mid 1990 s. By drug traffickers and landowners to come back to pretties of the fark a left wing guerrilla group for decades already Colombia had been embroiled in a violent civil conflict with frequent killings kidnappings and displacement. There were countless grew up was right at the center of things the very heart of the drug trade Carlos had joined a narco gang when he was 15 years old he could still walk that time through an interpreter he told me why despite opposition from his parents he got involved with the gangs. And I live in the periphery of a large city there were criminal gangs militias drug traffickers and where I lived these drug traffickers would come in and start giving money away. Start buying the people so that they could easily operate in those areas and for us young guys these were our heroes we wanted to be like them and that's how I got into it you say they seem like Harris to you because they were handing out money and so on but they were also enforcing their control through violence when my idle lad of 3 Yes yes of course all of that was part of it all of this violence was covered up with money were you willing to be violent for them and if so what did you do in Delhi at this point. I wanted to be like them these people dressed well they had jewelry they had money and I thought that if I wanted to be anyone that was the way to achieve it so 1st it was minor crimes but then the a you see the paramilitary forces came in and things changed in what way did they change well when the paramilitary groups came in we had to join them that was it those no greater resistance to join in the paramilitary organization not really have a history of you know you saw the combos that oppose them and they were being eliminated one by one when they came in and took control they had a coordinator this coordinator would summon us and explain to us what it was that we had to do and this involved dealing out with drugs in extorting money where you expected to carry a gun to use a gun. Yes yes you have to realize that when these groups come in they play on your needs and mine was perhaps to be recognised and when you get a gun then that gun gives you power What did you do for the a you see did you kill anyone. That's going to my left eye. I can tell you that I saw and did many bad things you say the a you see harmed people it's well documented that they massacred people who they believed to ported the fark I wonder if you will ever give a straight answer to a question about whether you killed somebody. Good enough that it won't be needed Well given the situation in Colombia you know that I've been through I am. In a wheelchair. And being in a wheelchair is the result of the activities that I was in. Where you are armed and you are facing people that are armed and that you're obviously going to respond when you're attacked with unama talk. I think we can read into your answer it was soon arrested what kind of man would you say you were when you went to jail what are the men who look well not that. Well I would describe myself as. Not having a lot of common sense I was basically responsible and in jail was when I 1st started hearing the word demobilization when you 1st heard about demobilization What did you think of it as an idea for you somebody that will remember when I would well. Here I was. In jail in a wheelchair lots of problems no family around me all of my friends around me Dad I thought well is this an opportunity to put an end to all this and start a different life in 2003 a peace deal was signed between the a you see in the Colombian government paramilitary leaders surrendered and gave up their arms in exchange for reduced jail terms and protection from extradition it was a controversial process was widely criticized for allowing those responsible for serious crimes to escape punishment it did not insist that the paramilitaries confess their crimes which might explain cost his reluctance to talk about what exactly he did when he was in the air you see but the government argued this was the only way to bring about peace Carlos was one of thousands of paramilitaries to go into a reintegration program he went back to school a school that had been set up specifically for people whose lives have been disrupted by the conflict the center of a peace and reconciliation and it changed his life were not appropriate. It was a slow metamorphosis I started the engineering program there university I saw that I was doing better than my colleagues there were other demobilized people there who were having some. Well with those studies and I started helping them out and the reintegration agency they heard that you know not only did I want a job but that I was pretty good at teaching other people and they said well let's give Carlos an opportunity you know that really changed my life and helped me integrate into normal society after your initial students walked out on you that 1st day how did you go about winning them over and getting them back until class when we're going to be medically The 1st thing I did was to ask forgiveness. Because I knew that I represented that person who had harm with them if I hadn't directly harmed them so I asked for their forgiveness I said I was sorry and then what I did was I told them about my life started telling them who I had been where I was going to the whole process at which I have found myself at that moment I taught people who were not only victims but they also were people who had perpetrated crime within weeks we were able to establish a very respectful relationship and as a matter Act One time I even came face to face with my enemy but we were able to break those barriers and I can't say that we're the best of friends but we are able to recognize who we are in what way was this person your enemy it I read it I did at 10 in well he was my nemesis when I saw him come in I recognized them and I actually thought he had come for me to get me. But no he sat there paid attention he raised his hand because he wanted to answer something you intimidated me but it was all right from the night I realized that this was the way to create communication that we were going to bring and unite people together unite the hearts you said earlier that one of the reasons that you joined the gangs in the 1st place was you wanted recognition did this job offer this acknowledgement that you were good at math and could teach people was that enough recognition to satisfy you. Or yes I would say yes you know the recognition that I saw when I was a very young lad it was idiotic you know it was just to be the big kid on the block but this recognition is really happening in society and it's a recognition of having done something good and I love seeing people improve I love helping people I think that that is really what has brought on the change. Candidate telling me his incredible story through interpreter William Marquez in 2018 this is Outlook now a different kind of story about crossing into another world and opening up new opportunities when she was 39 years old Joan Mellen decided to take a giant leap and have cochlear implants so that she would be able to hear clearly for the very 1st time the moment was captured on film and a clip posted on the Internet millions of people have watched it and been delighted by it Jo told me what it was like growing up death in Newcastle in the north east of England the background it would be with hearing a good morning how you would expect sad to be if you were under water I would be able to go lucky night if the little talking but I wouldn't make out what the worst day or when you all this contraption on your. Asked a 1000000 folks yet you would call the founding year but obviously that in depth children are more in the in the 70 but I do chat to people me about death just simply bad the books that I would Where did you try at that age to understand what sound was what the world sounded like did you ask family and friends to describe things how did it work looking back over my life at the good old would be in there I would put my year looked like a high 5 big client here that new day and that could he had a good value thing lead them so was it more like you were feeling young you know like a feeling Yeah but your deafness didn't hold you back in any way as far as I can I don't think it had me back we could just add one thing and begin Dec should hold anybody back but then when you were 16 the possibility was raised that you had this very recantation cautious injury which I carried with it the risk that you would also lose your sight doctor and it took many years for the diagnosis to be confirmed but in your late twenty's you were registered blind that right how big an impact did that have on you to lose a 2nd sense. Well obviously for anybody who would dare our. Way of communicating to women than the world around to do the thought of looting my ad it would like you could take anything but not me I knew it probably the world knew dramatically but anybody who would dare to be told that the looting that you are losing the way that you communicate is yeah yeah that is why I actually decided to have the cochlear implant because I find they're communicating becoming increasingly difficult to then Gurmeet a progressive condition in the back to Akron didn't grab it like a tunnel virtual So if you're looking to lug a pair of binoculars but try to imagine the lender getting more Latin molar implied were mad in the period and they were very small and so as you say you decided at that point to have cochlear implants today to try to get you hearing back to see if this would work tell us a bit about them how do they work the best way I can just guide bears that. Connected to the old dish we know and that in but happen in the act were video because they're 22. Cochlear and that had to activate them and this is the video that was allotted at a yearly activity a 9000000 head yet I viewed by so many people we can hear a little bit of it now I'll say the days of the week. Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday so. Yes. It's think it was changed today and we can head out of the medical officer. Speaking to you for the class time you'll get here yes time even now may I you Joe or where you know just back moment Obiang good a good time you dared me put a bet of my life here was the 1st thing your mom said to you when you could handle that well but look though you most know because my mum ducked and put a put a tag on her your mom's accent my mom doctor because of the new captain upon time and I adored it and then when I started talking I realized I had the same act I did my mom how did you get a jury x. And when you couldn't hear growing it they didn't quite fact and they contended that put it all to do where you're based Patton obviously when you are lip dang you can determine whether timbre had an octave and but the fact that I sat I'm not going to I did obviously have to pick up very very well what our music when I when you heard music from your dad could probably been the most enjoyable part of the new day they're very very emotional when it come to New Day was the 1st piece Muzi had the piece of music I heard but you know the bad back the last in of. One day like this I did just that value and ended up. How does that make you feel to have. It look like an assault on my Cantor I had just banned him up on my arm from card to here in the battle lambda moo dipping into and playing and stone stone beautiful woman in that in one simple word our good good guy bad music and beautiful and obviously our all will have that conductor and what I'll build one day like this because back down will forward remind me of when I would hear only to quit the talent. You got up early one day just to go near the dawn chorus all the bugs waking up yeah how is that so obviously that would give them a moment that I'll never forget and I can remember it so early in the morning it would pay it back it would imagine having a cause thing not clear daylight to come in very very slowly mentally but didn't the call that because that's what it was good don't call it a man trick he has a knight in the way the ball in harmony with each other and apt Dylan a maid there and people who don't take after granted after and have no sun don't get chipper that when you walk along the coast don't show lying how wonderful the way you made dam and the Clash and gun. Or like the burgeoning touring absolutely beautiful if there was one sound that you had to pick I say this is the sound that means the most to me what would it be. I'm a math Featherstone and with the baby laughter. I would probably end people who didn't have it in born in the mill beauty of the warmth. To do them or. Not. To say that since speaking to Joe Melman in 2015 she's gone on to have 2 babies of her own so hopefully she's hearing a lot of laughter these days to get in touch with any of your own stories of crossing divides email addresses out look at b.b.c. Dot com and we're on Facebook to you now it's time to witness history and today we're going back to 991 a probe billions of miles into space took a photo of earth that brought home our standing in the universe Darrell Morris has been speaking to a planetary scientist candies Henson about the picture that came to be known as the pale blue dot. I had chills running up and down my back it looked so tiny and so fragile and yet so special in the area of scattered light it just it just sent chills up and down my spine the Voyager one probe and its twin Voyager 2 were built by NASA to explore the outer planets of our solar system candies Hansen was part of the team of scientists that controlled and analyzed the cameras the probes discoveries every day almost felt like we were discovering something new volcanoes on Io we found a battered surface of Calista we didn't know those things before we got there and when we left those places had named after exploring all the giant planets and their $48.00 Voyager took one final for a graph looking back to where its journey had to be. A tiny speck of blue alone in space I think that the legacy of that image is really the same today as it was then and it will be in the future which is that this is our home and we are in it together and we need to figure out how to live with each other no matter what the challenge because really this is. The story began 13 years before that picture in the summer of $977.00 she was a postgraduate student about to start an internship at NASA is Jet Propulsion Lab the home of Voyager it just happened that that summer was the summer that Voyager was about to be launched and the project had just realised that they really didn't have enough staff to operate the spacecraft I arrived as a summer intern and within a few days I realize that. I loved that work and I wanted to stay and work on Voyager joined the team just as the Voyager probes will launched and began their journeys into space passing Jupiter Saturn Neptune and Uranus to be able to work on a spacecraft that was going to planets for the 1st time was amazing the spacecraft would be approaching a planet that we only knew through telescopes we only knew was bright points of light in the sky alongside their scientific instruments each probe had a golden record a message to any extraterrestrial civilization that might find them. The Voyager probes took advantage of a rare geometric alignment of the planets that allowed them to swing from one planet to the next without using rockets as the spacecraft flew for years across the empty space the scientists planned what to do when they arrived at the next planning on the voyage we always had the challenge of trying to predict what we were going to see and of course most of the time we were wrong. And we had to scramble to make changes when Voyager one was approaching Saturn we thought well we'll just take one really large mosaic and get a beautiful picture of Saturn with its rings and what happened was we found out that Saturn's rings are piles of rubble and the Rings move relative to each other and there's moonlight embedded in the rings that cause waves and once we figured that out with Voyager one we had to change all of our plans for Voyager 2 after Voyager one headed away from the planets Voyager 2 was able to pass urine us discovered new moons and found the giant storm raging after that that would normal planets for the voyages to meet and they journeyed further and further into space at that point in time we knew that we would be turning off the cameras the power supply was dropping and we knew that the cameras would be the 1st instruments really to be turned off because their job was done it was America's superstar strong about the t.v. Presenter and author Carl Sagan who 1st proposed the Voyager should take a photo looking back at Earth in the end they decided to photograph not just Earth but all the other planets one last time not easy to do with a spacecraft 4000000000 miles away the save these pictures onto a tape recorder one of the sequence designers and I sat at a computer terminal and laid this whole. Sequence out it was in February that we took the pictures February 14th of 1990 after the picture was taken it had to be sent back down to earth and decoded Candice was the only image scientists left at the base and so it was up to her to piece it all back together because the camera had been pointing back towards the sun some light had been scattered in the lens affecting the image if you look at the pictures you see those streaks that look like rays of sunshine those are streaks of light that's been scattered into the optics and so when I was sitting there and I was looking at our picture that should have contained earth at 1st I couldn't find it so I was looking at the image and kind of checking off in my mind just bare dust back as it turns out the earth was in one of those rays of sunshine and so when I finally realized that that was our earth that we had gotten the picture that we wanted and it was in a sense bathed in sunlight it was really a very very profound moment for me a tall black streaks by 4 beams of light about halfway up one of the beams is a speck of light a Pale Blue Dot Earth and everyone on it and the next. And you can see it. Looks like more. More than a dot but it is in fact less of a pixel for Fix You can see the. Slightly blue. This is where we live on a blue dot we were at a time back then when the Iron Curtain was just starting to come down and for us to see such a kind of a punch in the nose message of hate we share this planet there aren't any neighbors nearby we can't just go to Mars and save ourselves we really need to learn to live together so at that moment in time it was a very important image but I think that it has also stood the test of time today we're worried about climate change and the message is the same the Jet Propulsion Lab used its order Torreon to display the pictures of Earth Jupiter Saturn net Chuen Uranus and Venus with huge gaps between them to try to give an idea of the vast scale of it all and people would come walk up to it and they would touch the picture of the earth the person that was in charge of that to tour him in the in the exhibits told me that he was continually replacing that picture of Earth because everybody walked up and they had to touch the 2 Voyager probes are still traveling still sending signals and have now passed beyond the heliosphere the outer reaches of the solar system and a flying through insists space there's a listening pass every day where an array of the earth's big antennas is turned towards the Voyager and that tiny little whisper of a signal is captured here on earth so they are still opening our eyes to the environment far beyond our own planet the planetary scientist Candie's Hansen was speaking to Darryl Morris thank you for your company today outlook will be back same time tomorrow I hope to see them. 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If you're in need of a good book to get through this winter the authors Gail honeybun and Mavis cheek will be talking to her but Garrett Gilbert about some of the novels they love in half an hour they include the beginning of spring by Penelope Fitzgerald and Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte which astonishingly has never been chosen on the program before a good read is at $430.00 the 1st already or 4 we join Michael Roizen for word of mouth every so often my father would take me and my brother to one side and say your mother won't tell you the story boys because it's about one time your mother was a gun off a thief she told me that one time when she was little I had harvest festival at school and told the children to bring in flowers but there were no flowers where she lived in a flat over a shop and she didn't think she could ask a man for the money to buy flowers and anyway she thought her mom and dad would know anything about Harvest Festival what with them being Jewish so on the way to school she went through to the little park on the corner and cut a flower from there and took that into school that way she thought no one would ask questions about why she hadn't brought in flowers for harvest festival think of that voice your mother again if now now don't tell her I told you so I just told you a story about my father telling a story that my mother told him or he said she had told him. But the chick Well I don't know and come to think of it you don't know whether I've made it up either Today we're talking about stories clamoring Murphy has been a professional storyteller since 2006 she's traveled all over the world telling stories in English and Spanish to all kinds of audiences she's performed on beaches in order to rooms in theatres at festivals in fields in medieval round towers and in many weird and wonderful situations including for our president Mary Robinson and for the science community at NASA is Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena California she also teaches storytelling skills to those who work outside the art form from scientists to limitless veterans and many others in between Clare Welcome to the program thanks very much and what he's a storyteller a storyteller is someone like me who wanders the world carrying stories with them who tells them live in front of audiences with no digital assistant and how do you get to tell a story where does it come from. The stories that I tell from all over so the oldest story of ever tell is 5000 years old and the newest is maybe from yesterday so I tell myths fables folk tales that ins anecdotes bit of history let anything that moves me carry and tell and where do you find all these stories because you've just conjured up what Seamus Heaney called a rattle bag you've conjured up or a beautiful idea over a ragbag but it's all in your head it's all in my head so nothing is written where do I find I mean that's that's their life's work isn't it it's to walk through the world and keep my eyes and ears and heart open all the time for where the next story is coming from so I read us I talk to a lot of people and I listen carefully and I talk to storytellers who told me that one way they remember stories because that's part of the problem. It's not only telling them yours have to remember them it's to think of stories having rooms for each part of the story and they've told me they get to the end of one part and they know they're sort of edge of the room then they go through a door into the next room do you do anything like. Let me ask you this when you were little kids did you ever injure yourself you know in an er nonviolent I fall off a bike or being stung by a baby yeah I played cricket and a ball hit my nose and broke it and then when I came home. The 1st question my dad asked was well did you catch the ball. So yes I did and where were you I was on the cricket pitch and I was at a position called silly mid-off and from then on everyone said Yeah well it was wasn't and who was there when you got hit in the now Mr Carroll. Who was the woodwork teacher he was on pirating and pretending or claiming to coach us. And how long did you spend recovering. Few weeks swelling had to go down and. And I went to hospital and the doctor said I've never been asked this before you know and the doctor said Well when you go under and I didn't know what I meant when you go under We're going to hit your We're going to hit your nose with a hammer and I said are you was that well to knock it back into shape because you've got a kink in your nose and so I can remember going under. And apparently that's what he did he bashed my nose with a rubber hammer that's what he told me and you held 12. So to see the way your brain feels right now as you're recalling us yes that's how I feel when I'm remembering stories. So I never learn them word for word they they sit in my mind like memories now I always know the bones of a story so I know where the story begins and I know where it ends and what I do before I have to tell it as I wake it up so I walk through the story but I don't walk through the whole thing I just say I was in silly Madoff Mr Carroll was coaching and it was the time of the morning and the ball came out of nowhere and broke my you know and I walked through all the bones so that it's nice and awake and then when I go to tell it all of their all of their illustration exaggeration and farm boy comes in but it sits like memory right and the way you made me do that I had to kind of inhabit it I had to go there feel it's I think it and you're making me conjure up pictures and that was I mean I actually remembered the square you know of the cricket square in the middle of the school field again on the East field as it was called and I can see it and I can see which side I'm on but you make me go back to that visual thing you know difference being causes that actually happened whereas if you're remembering a story about the Drew of the sorrows or whatever yeah you've got to create that picture in your head haven't you yes so that's part of my work exactly as I have to inhabit these stories that I've never seen with the same kind of attention to detail that you have what life so I will always walk through a story and see all the landscapes in the story I spent time with the characters so they feel as real to me as a memory so when I conjure them as you say which is a brilliant word for it I'm seeing them and they say something with performance as you know if you see it as the speaker we see it as the audience this is the magic of language this is the magic that happens between us as human beings if you are reporting it or telling it and you've seen people do this and they're describing Yeah I was standing on the field you know Mr Brown's was there but their voice has a certain flatness to her deadness to it but right there if they could if your audience a singer could see could have seen you your eyes were moving off you were looking into the story so that's what I do but I have to create. Huge much a landscape's in my head in order to be able to do that and what are their ingredients to a really good story as opposed to a not good story I mean when your snuffling about like a truffle hound looking for good stories what what you looking for what are these great elements ingredients. The biggest one for me is the element of surprise. I got excited read peasant's of stories right so I read story and says there was a woman and she had 3 sons and I got right well I have a sense of where this was go and in the youngest I was the most useless and so I read also read the whole story but if something in the story can surprise me has read thousands thousands of stories I think there's something really special in this I love stories that don't take expected pathways I love stories where the characters are fully 3 dimensionally developed they're not just there to serve to move the plot along they're really there so for me it doesn't have to be heroic story it doesn't have to be a tragic story it has to move me with it's with its surprise has to engage and catch me so those elements change from story to story yes I was very surprised and wonderful way by a little motif in the story I think it comes from Haiti. And it's the it's Wolf dresses up to be the suitor to the girl because he doesn't let on that he's a wolf so it's that old motif but the way he does it is he tightens up his throat for the 1st time he comes he goes oh I've come to see you you see and of course he knows it was he's got away will for many tightens up his throat so the next time he goes oh I've come to see you she has no no it's will from any Titans it one more time he goes Hello I've come to see her and then she believes him because he's tough and the storyteller did it he he kind of tightened these through text he did it and of course it's funny but of course absolutely terrifying at the same time because you don't know whether he's going to succeed or not but of course as he goes from her to hello and then you got it and of course I remember the audience of kids and so on and he's done it and it's going to get are and how old is that story it's a Caribbean story I think it was probably originally told in in Haitian French right and it's in a wonderful collection by a New York woman who heard it at the New York storytelling so it's at least. 150 years probably but probably much much older than that and yet I think about it when you tell that I think about the way that the voice can be used for seduction natto you see all these people who have control of the story and it's their voice you know and it's that lying it's a tightening of the collar so like there's a story that's maybe hundreds of years old at a guess which is so relevant now this is it's stories like that that I absolutely love because they can awaken something in us the listener so can you tell us a story yes yes I'll tell you now the Irish story about keep it brief as our time was limited once the old gods of Ireland the king of the gods had lost his arm and they had to elect a new king because you couldn't have a king with a blemish and so they picked the most beautiful of all the gods but it wasn't until they had elected him that they realized although he was beautiful on the outside he had an ugly heart he introduced to things that the gods had never experienced work . And taxes for thousands of years the gods of Ireland had only piety done sang and danced and loved another had to sweat and lift heavy stone but still they had elected him so what could they do and then one day the chief storyteller of Arden came because he visited all the kings and he knocked upon the door and he was treated like a beggar he was brought to a tiny room he was given bread and water instead of a dinner and a cup of made as the night passed the streets are cut so incensed by this outrage by being treated so badly the men wait to see the king the next morning just as a sudden was rising in the birds were singing he stormed out of that tiny room and as he walked towards the rising sun all the all the anger boiling in his stomach headed north and all of the weight in his had headed south and the 2 of them at the back of his throat and he spoke the very 1st satire the very 1st such terrible poem are composed and was all about the king's hospitality. Scary the old gods heard it and they began to laugh the new king woke to the same to their laughter and that was the beginning of the end for that King because an hour and a storyteller can teach around a king oh wow can I You can only hope. This is our work now yes yes I've seen some stand ups who when they're in their own way of course are storytellers and they're not far off a bit of decent owning it in their time yes well they come from the long line of of the fool the very important role of the Fool which is to stand there in the contrary position and reflect what's happening and they're in a very dangerous position because they're naming the truth but then of a powerful position because they're wrapping it in laughter. Like the great comedians are I was raised on comedy I was raised on Billy Connelly and Eddie Murphy and Martin's Laugh-In So yeah we were raised on a lot of comedy in my eyes and. I think if I'm wrong that all your stories are not based on your own life you take what we might call a body of traditional story folk story fairy story legend myth how whole area is the reason for that do you mean I guess you've done some funny and interesting things in your life I could looking at your face on the video so I could just see you also saying I'll tell you something else yesterday I was at Dublin airport knew could do that as well if you wanted to yes and there are loads of storytellers that do that it's quite common in America they talk up they tell a lot of personal stories there are people here side to but I'm so moved by meth I'm so moved by folks Hales these are stories about traveling for a 100 sometimes days of years and they've still got the possibility of knocking your heart out your chest so for me this something really powerful in those stories and that's what I want to carry forward. Here in there I might say a little something in between stories about my life but I suppose in Ireland that's what you say for the kitchen table or the or the pub or late night with your friends so on stage I want to bring this older medicine to the stage I say that the older medicine but I mean it's absurd isn't it because the moment you say it all and gods then one part of me want to just switch off we were doing Gods are you know it doesn't it's not now and I were and sometimes you say Long Long Long Long Long Long Long ago and the beginning of your stories and say Well Ok well this isn't true so I really ought to stop watching should my Yeah stop listening to you but why is it how is it then that these things that you're telling us are true but we're moved as if they are yeah it's fantastic and so human beings according to evolutionary biologists human beings have been telling stories for 100000 years. And that means that it's far older than writing and it's far older than drawing this you know probably older than stories would be song but this is the way that we've been wired to make meaning out of the world so when we hear a story there's a guy in the states Kendall haven he wrote his book story proof and he talks about the brain becoming wired over the last 100000 years to receive information 3 stories so the baby is born waiting to hear its 1st story so well we know it's not true and I'm putting inverted commas there. There is some truth in it and stories are a vehicle there are a way to journey through the Great Adventure is that we go through internally and you know Karen Armstrong has written a beautiful book on a short history of myth and she talks about is the biographer of God Yes Karen Armstrong the woman who's able to sin helps us and he's thinking to us well book and she talks about the enemy a lash which is from Sue Mariya and this need we have to hear these fantastical stories were great odds are faced and through a man are. Woman is great odds are faced and and somehow overcome though there is loss and that this is a catharsis we need as a society to go through these inner journeys as a way of helping us with our outer journey so I think that I think when you hear long ago some part of the settles in and goes good we're going there yes somewhere I don't know in order to find out about something I might might get to know get to something about me I was giving a workshop in Ohio in California a festival short workshop to her as you know just a brief glimpse and these are not storytellers these are just everyday people and we went through it and this woman came up to me afterwards and very simple I'd given them a story they retold it we talked about it we broke it apart she comes up to me and she says thank you very much I said Oh you're welcome and she said My husband really enjoyed as I said all that you know that's great that's great and she said no you don't understand he has Alzheimer's and he generally can't contribute or do anything and I I'd seen her husband and he'd been answering questions and he'd been telling stories like I'd seen them talking and laughing and she said I haven't seen him like this and you. Struck by her because she had tears in her eyes and I said I wasn't expecting that at all it's this thing of story has this way of. Bypassing So there was there was another situation I was in in Birmingham and I was I was working with some kids I was giving them a workshop I tell them some stories and then it was their turn I was walking around and I put them in pairs are saying you're the storyteller and you're the director I was getting them to direct each other and I came up to these 2 guys and I said I got this sort of argue with a director and one of the boys looked up and said No Miss he doesn't speak. I knew not to ask any further I just said oh that's grand and I turned and I I said you're the you know I pointed away from the other guy said You're the storyteller and point you're the guy you're the director and to the 3rd boy doesn't speak I said I want you to be the observer right you make sure they're doing they're doing their jobs and not when around came back a few minutes later and I was asking everybody how did the girl was he a good director how was he storytelling and then I just turn to the little boys observing and I said I did they do to do a good job and he said Well Mr They did a really good I thought he was a very good director and I thought his storytelling was really good I said Oh great thanks very much I turned to move on to the next player to teach your child straight up to me so what should. I say I don't think I sassed I wash said he's a selective news he hasn't spoken he doesn't speak has spoken in years was a trauma couple years ago what did you do I said I I didn't do anything I just I just asked the boy question and she was really shocked and I just had to do what I'm sure you want to just carry on like normal you don't draw attention to it because you just keep going but I thought about it a lot afterwards and I thought some of the happens in the world of story this is safety that happens there's a place we can go to that allows us to take risks that we wouldn't take a less is to forget ourselves and our fears I've had people describe it as you know travelling to another place and I forget my To Do list and I you know the room disappears and something about it for that boy meant he forgot that he didn't speak and just spoke. And it lifted you know one image comes to my mind if you sort of lifting the lid on the top of his head and the stuff came out so I could sort of Terry Gilliam Carter you know the top of the head and then out comes the stuff that he's been. Holding back yeah and it happens time and time again with all kinds of people all kind situations I get told oh this I'm difficult in Ireland they say this and this and characters in this class you know and that means you know difficult children who are labeled in whatever way they want to label them they say to me there's Darron right. Exactly and you can tell right by the lines and they're being nice to teachers that they want to help us they want to make sure our session goes well and as lovely they say do you would you want to join me to take a match you know remove them from the class and I say no no let's just see how it goes inevitably those are the kids that are in the front most switched on you know why died and just ready to drink it all in because it's something of a story oral transmission of story that meets the test or wherever they are so whether there's learning disabilities or whether there's physical issues or what you know what it does it does not matter because you're opening you're turning on the Slike you said open the top of the head you're turning on the cinema of the mind so that person will see the monster that they're able to see that they're able to handle so it's not like cinema which can be really aggressive you know it's not like theater where things are constructed for you you are co-creating with the storyteller so I've had so many situations where there's kids who are dyslexic come pay attention $80.00 h.t. Whatever day you know they're. Just in. And the teachers don't know what's happened and I think it's that ancient part of our brains that can fully engage in this I think part of that or it's the way it works is that we've invented this wonderful thing called writing it's absolutely brilliant but the word is attached just in Compare her or on us. Screen whereas when we tell stories or perform in front of people directly and look at them the words are attached to the body and that's every bit of it it's whether it's the voice the hands the our eyes you have any bit of it and so when they're watching it it's be really body to body like an equal right will be a quite special but they know there's no tricks involved there's no camera or yeah special effects it's just so it's body to body which is very elemental because softly pre-literate pretty pretty the time literacy but also applies to every one of us that there is was a time when we weren't literate and our mums and dads and carers said you know Humpty Dumpty sat in the wall yeah I didn't there were no special effects they just did it yeah and if they played little games you know Bangor boats away we have no time to stay so give it a kick make a quick bang about so a little thing like that playing on the floor yeah and then that scene you and you know that so I think storytelling connects with that that kind of elemental bit of body to body doesn't it yes and it's direct transmission that's that's where it gets really interesting is that you're exactly what you're saying the body the voice the energy within you as the speaker is directly transmitting and they've started to learn this in in politics and t.v. There's this famous you know story about John f. Kennedy because t.v. Had just you know like this become more widespread in terms of public screenings of political rallies and stuff and it was no longer on radio they could see him and once they saw him they saw his body language they didn't trust Nixon and they did they did just j.f.k. But when you're in the actual room with somebody so much more is being transmitted than just the story and you're right it goes in you to I tell a story once to people and it's in them and they can remember that no problem so yeah we're accessing that that older part and you've mentioned it now several times about teaching people to tell stories so I mean how do you go about that I mean you did a little bit with made telling me making me tell the story of. I broke my nose I mean is that what you do do you start with real stories or do you start with a traditional story and get them to toe and it depends on who I'm working with so I teach all kinds of people like I work with scientists I work with academics I work with business people I work with veterans you and I worked with yeah I work with this group called the doc the charity is called Bless my work for the Dr project and they work with plasma which is the British limbless x. Serviceman and Women's Association but that's quite a mouthful so they call themselves the limbless veterans men and women who have lost 123 or 4 limbs either in the line of duty or or not in the line of g.g. But they've served in the military and the Dr projects idea is making generation are so making generation resilience or that helping teenagers with mental health issues they get these veterans to go into schools tell their story and the story is what happened before their injury life before injury the incident itself becoming injured and then life since injury and our job is facilitators is to work with them for a week to take their life story and condense it down into a 20 minute version which is why it takes 5 days. And it's in Chris incredible work because they're just in mazing human beings to spend time with because resilience is a big part of who they are. And then it's the deconstruction and reconstruction of life stories and what's funny is that so many of them skip over well you and I would go the juicy bits of the story like that needs to be told and they don't necessarily think it's important because they would come from a culture where you're not supposed talk about yourself especially if you're male if you're male and English and in the military it's what I call the triple whammy right the silence the silence from the sergeants and so our job is to is to say well that the husband you that has worth tell us what happened there and then they tell their stories they take it back to schools they present it kids get asked questions that are workshop on resilience we've been doing this for about 5 years the project is growing and growing and growing we're getting more and more veterans signing up the side effects are incredible so we had a guy who did the 5 dire. Came back following year to get refresher training as everyone does 2 days the following year and he said when we were wrapping up he said every time I tell my story I release something from inside of me that's been killing me. You know so this there's that So when I'm working with scientists it's a different thing because scientists are always they seem to be alone a lot you know they're alone in their lives they're alone in their research there's a lot of isolation that's a lot of groups of humans I work with a nobody really knows the full impact of what they're doing and they often have to report what they're doing whereas I help them tell the story of what addicts they're not so telling a life story like the veterans they're telling the story of their science who in a given permission to get excited and really Taliban light photons the body lights the face and suddenly it's utterly engaging whether New listen to them before they thought they had to academically report what they were going to say I completely could not maintain my interest so sometimes I use traditional stories as a way in for these people and sometimes I just get them to accept that they are really passionate about what they're doing and it's all right to be that passionate and like I asked you questions questions are super power right get people to just how they feel about things and you start getting at the root of it everyone knows how to tell stories but as we get older we get crushed a little bit by you know some teacher telling us we're terrible at something or somebody telling us not talking so much the shrinks who are armor to build more and more put more and more armor but as soon as you just ask them to go there they inhabit as you said earlier so inhabit and embody are the 2 big words for me with storytelling and when you inhabit the landscape that you are in and embody some of the characters in your story you will naturally come more alive and one more story for me. So once there was a man and he was walking towards a village and he saw this woman gardening by the side roads excuse me do you live do you live at this village she said yes I do and he said well what can I expect and she said Oh well what I like where you're from he said her people are terrible mean spirited inconsiderate 2 faced and she said Oh well that's where you find Up ahead I said Oh well thank you and he turned on his helmet the other way and a little while later another man was walking alongside him towards the village a nice old lady said Oh hello hello are you from this village and she said I am What's it like I've just had it up there she said Oh well what's it like where you're from he said it's amazing people are so current so loving and considerate everybody is looking out for their neighbors and she said yes that's exactly what you'll find overhead. Lovely clear Murphy thanks very much indeed if you listen to the word of mouth podcast you can hear more of this conversation. Word of mouth was presented by Michael Rosen and produced in Bristol by Beth a day and that's the last in the current series but word of mouth will be back in April and there are lots more episodes of language a delight available on b.b.c. Sounds and as Michael mentioned the word of mouth podcast this week is an extended version of the program next week law in action is back and they'll be finding out how the parole board decides whether it's safe to release prisoners convicted of low level terrorist offenses that snow in action next Tuesday afternoon at 4 o'clock. For actors comedy club song to the very grey where the British government is mainland yes yes please May 2 hours of comedy presented by comedians 7 nights a week I just keep going that can stop me being a comedian is a no no Could poles how can you bet that much and then also. Heads people think I'm sure because in the 2nd fiver away Ok let me say that the free to have me as a day I mean. The comedy crowd every night from 10 till midnight on b.b.c. Radio 4 extra day even having to me it was enough to make you think well now here on b.b.c. Radio 4 how it go but with a good read Hello 2 weeks ago here we were arguing over Jane Austin this week Charlotte Bronte and with me to introduce their good read our 2 authors Gail Honeyman who's dead you novel Eleanor hall a fantasy completely fine one the cost of 1st novel Award and was a New York Times number $1.00 bestseller and Mavis cheek whose 50 novels include poles between its Aunt Margaret's lover and amenable women all recently reissued Gail would you start us off what's your choice of a good read and thanks high actual isn't what was lost by Catherine Flynn. I came across this book when it was 1st published I think in 2007 in the old fashioned way which was in a bricks and mortar bookshop and I mention that because it's relevant to the one of the the themes that it covers really well I think ascent Birmingham and slipped between 2 time periods the early 1980 s. And early 2000 in their early 980 section we are introduced to Kate who is. A young primary school aged child I think she's about 10 and she lives with her grandmother for reasons that become apparent she's a very interesting character I think and she has set up a detective agency with her colleague Mickey who is a toy monkey then the novel goes into the period set in the 2000 and all in the same part of Birmingham and all centers around a retail park a shopping center and there we meet a security guard called Kurt and an assistant retail manager in a record store called Lisa and a mystery sort of crosses the 2 time periods and all 3 characters What did you particularly like about it and why of all the novels you've read over the last few years does this one grab you firstly I thought it was really refreshing to come across a novel set in Birmingham that was quite refreshing back in 2007 and I think sadly it's still quite refreshing. To find a novel that's say outside of of London and also it covers the lives of just ordinary people doing ordinary jobs and which again isn't something that you come across and in a lot of fiction it covers a lot of really interesting themes I think it is a particular point in time when the old traditional way of shopping. Individual shops a bakery a kind of stick maker where the shopkeeper is addressed by his or her customers with title and surname and he or she does the same to his Korean tailor her Korean tale and it's captures the death of that the absolute death knell of that and the transition into retail park shopping shopping mall culture and it's also about that sort of madness that goes on because you are managed and Blank Yes. Maybe she could you read this before no but articulate I had read I'd read j.g. Ballard odds kingdom come which is where people go mad shopping mad live in Chile and you know it reminded me all the time it's a much gentler version but there is something very strange and crazy that happens to people when they go into these places they lose their sense of reality do you did you enjoy this book done pull the meters Yes I did enjoy it I read it and the food going to bed to read it which it was a good sign but I wasn't entirely sure where it was all the time I got a little confused but that might be my age. I thought the cat I thought the character the girl was absolutely gripping and heartbreaking I think has a really difficult voice to capture isn't it because if it's not expertly executed then it becomes very more cash or just an authentic and it doesn't work at all and I think that's one thing as as you say she's really got that right and also I thought I loved the way sometimes the author went into the heads of some of the with people who came into the shopping Mel Who nothing to do with the plot really but just kind of carried on the feeling of the atmosphere of the place it's a funny I think we're making it very dark maybe and there are lots of very dark themes and it goes to some very dark places but it's actually you know it made me laugh out loud on more than one occasion which I just it does take lots of risks doesn't it this novel because I mean for a start you have the story with an extremely gaging. A 10 year old child I mean she's she's lovely this little private eye and then apparently halfway through the novel that story and she both evaporate into nothing and then in the 2nd part as you say you have these sudden interruptions the plot goes into suspension while you have these sort of riffs and these angry rant spy both staff in the shopping center and customers who are either going mad or are in total despair and it shouldn't hang together but for me it absolutely did I mean you say maybe said she. Wanted to get to bed to read it I wanted to read it and kept every time I had to put it down for some reason I look forward to picking up it's very in gauging and I don't know how she she manages those narrative risks because she you know there's a danger that the reader might just think oh come on come on this is the only gentleness it I think there's a kindness behind the prose and all 3 characters the security guard and the retail manager and the young child they're not loved enough or they're not loved in the right way and different contexts and that's something that's a lot of things that although it does seem as you see it can maybe seem quite Devera sometimes the different strands there are lots of things that make them click here together quite subtly which which I think does make it just going to eat a really good beat one of one of the things about the child Kate that I think is very effective and I wondered how one even it's sort of related to your own writing to Eleanor Oliphant is that although we can see that she is a deeply lonely child which isn't often she's with a grand who isn't nasty or anything but really what she wants to grandmother is what's a television and garden play bingo and she feeds her but that's it and we know that she desperately misses her father but she never tells us that I just wonder whether that's what makes it so effective that. You know she says self-contained crime solver and we have to read between the lines yes I think that's right and it's Sam there's lots of space left in the narrative for the reader to feel those feelings all in case but and it's not didactic novel and it's base based subtly done not telling you how you know young you know you should it's a really lovely really clever bit of writing is that obelisk way of going into character yeah it leaves you that that room to experience it yourself I think that's absolutely right and it's fate paraffin and it's but it is a it's quite challenging to beat as an adult because as you say how that you are it's absolutely charming to see the world through a 10 year old size particular such an engaging and intelligent 10 year old as this one but it's very disturbing when you see the the danger that she is in and and also the. How isolated she is and how lonely she is and the emotional difficulties that she has which she isn't able to articulate herself because of her her you know her because we are with her all the way when she disappears you never stop worrying and wondering about her and not to give anything away but it's a very it's it's a nicely tied up ending as well which is helpful I think you know you need something you need her to have some sort of resolution Yeah and there is one I think that the characters are so strong as well that they supersede plot in that sense that you and all 3 of the characters and lots of the century characters as well are so in gauging that that keeps you reading oh yeah let that for you until there is anything Ed that was a moment leaving it. Felt like Cherry Absolutely. We've been talking about what was lost by Kathryn of Flynn Well the book I've brought to the table is another novel it's called the beginning of spring by Penelope Fitzgerald It was published back in 1908 and this is another quite strange novel in a different way it's set in Moscow in 1913 this is a sort of very feeble all nervous time. You know World War One is just a year away and more centrally the Russian Revolution is just 4 years away she said doing some quick mental arithmetic. That's one of the strange things about it because banality Fitzgerald's fiction is usually set somewhere she knew so a bookshop in Suffolk or a boat on the Thames a houseboat on the Thames but this one as far as I know she never lived in Russia I think she visited once and she certainly wasn't there 913 because she wasn't born yet and they were in in this sort of broiling and revolutionary potential is living in British My Uncle Frank Reid who is British by passport but really a Muscovite by everything else he was born in Moscow he grew up there his father had a printing business there and he's inherited the printing business and another disappearance is what launches the plot of this book because Frank's wife just leaves a note saying I'm going off and she takes with her 3 small children somewhere on the journey back to Charing Cross which is where she's heading she decides she doesn't want the children with her and she returns them to Moscow Frank is totally lost he has to find someone to help him look after the children and he employs a very enigmatic sort of still woman called Lisa Ivanova then he almost immediately falls madly in Lost with Lisa. In the meantime a young man breaks into the print works armed with a gun waving it around possibly a revolutionary Also there is the police occasionally are telling Frank he's got to get out of Russia or occasionally they're telling me better not try to get out of Russia it depends on the mood that and his wife Nellie his brother turns up there is a whole chaos both political in the background and personal in the foreground through which Frank is trying to tread well and behave decently and do the right thing or at least do as close to the right thing as he can manage in the circumstances I'll love this book partly because I love Frank I think I even like him in person but he's a very nice character I like the children his 3 children including a 10 year old daughter Dolly and I just like the the sense of Moscow that Penelope Fitzgerald imagines I really enjoy this gale but what did you think of it. I hadn't ever read Penelope Fitzgerald so I started this with a completely open mind and I absolutely loved her I must thank you 1st the chasing it had it I was completely I knew very little about more school in that he had a more school generally I'm not Peter Jennings but I was completely I felt I was in completely safe hands and it felt completely authentic to me as a reader as a narrative I had if you read a lot and if you write often you have a you can start to get a sense of where a plot might be going or how my character might develop and with this I had no idea from one chap to the next what was going to happen and how the characters were going to interact with each other and respond to each other in the best possible way but that's the way Frank lives his life I guess is I guess it is expressionistic in absolutely and it but that that's not to say it wasn't a coherent narrative absolutely was but it was a such a delight to be constantly surprised. If this makes sense it felt like it would have been as much fun to write as it is to read it and there were lots of set pieces that I found just delightful and quite disconcerting because it shifts quite dramatically in tone as well as a scene quite near the start we are. The son of a neighbor a young boy is given a beer as a crusty peasant and it starts off as really almost farce you know the kids in that way that children do that they had lots aren't present and they get that their cup drunk on vodka the poor thing it's laugh out loud funny and then you without wanting to spoil it for people who haven't read it yet it's it takes such a turn and I'm still weeks later I can't get that image out of my head it's saw. John Mattick and surprising and dark saw that scene the minute he started I knew it was going to end very badly. And I got more and more upset to really do it very and I jumped at the thing about. She handles it completely and utterly brilliantly she's she doesn't flinch but the reader does there's a character Nick called Selwyn crane almost now. Who's a very strange character who has done something unspeakable to Frank is trying to make it up to him but anyway and there's another woman who Frankie is desperately trying to offload his children on to Mrs Graham who I think is the wife of the vicar or something and there's a wonderful exchange where Mrs Graham is talking to Nelly the absent wife's brother who's come over to see what the heck's going on and they're talking about Selwyn and she says to Charlie Selwyn doesn't eat too much attendee time and Charlie says seems an odd thing for a management consultant. These lines like that your fellow new leg completely brilliant yes wonderful very same and wonderful and I I absolutely agree that there's a lot of darkness in this I mean even in the fact that Frank. Is clearly devastated by Nelly having left never spelt out just one thing where he says something like he feels like a man whose wound had better not be touched because it would rip open again some yes and I'll be shot I apologize you put it. Or not but this and the children who are now the 3 children who've been whose mom was whipping them away and then decided she couldn't cope with them and sends them back and they're quite They are funny because the oldest child Dolly the 10 year old is kind of a really bossy little thing and she'd tell us our father one point to sort of saying you don't blame your mother for anything she did to you and she said are to blame or I think probably have biggest mistake was getting married to you which you think it's actually probably true but but you do there's a moment at the end when you realize how very upset this child has been so there's always these that will slippage is where suddenly the humor gives way to darkness and but there is a lot of humor I mean Charlie brother Charlie as far as the comic characters really didn't see it last minute broad yes absolutely he doesn't know does any of the chaos going around him he just wants to cite seriously you know what I thought about this Penelope Fitzgerald is that I don't know that much about it but I know that she was wonderfully eccentric because as well as many other important things in that eccentricity comes out in this book I think with the daughter Dolly saying these things that she says in dealing with things in a strange way and unchildlike way and you can imagine Penelope Fitzgerald would expect a child to not necessarily be childish she's not a tool Judge Mental in this issue she lets you decide what to think about these characters and even the terrible scene with the best you are left to your own devices about what you take away from that she's not telling you to think anything to her and I write that in a writer because it's very easy to. Try and point people in the right direction to get it should be as it yaps in there. We've been talking about the beginning of spring by Penelope Fitzgerald I'm Harriet Gilbert You're listening to a good read where my guests today are Gail honeybun and Mavis cheek Mavis over to you Well I'm thrilled to be bringing Jane Eyre to a good read I can't believe hasn't been here before but she hasn't Jane Eyre is my all time favorite 19th century novel heroine and put maybe my all time favorite book it was written by Charlotte Bronte I think it was published in 847 something like that when Charlotte was about 38 so Charlotte as we know is living in this dark damp Krige up in Yorkshire with her brother Brown well and her sisters and living a very closed in life I think Jane Eyre I discovered 1st when I was 13 and I just got up to chop disregarded many of the other the long bits in the difficult bits in it but to me I think it falls into full act really if it was a play you've got the 1st act which is Jane as a 10 year old orphan living in a grand house where At best her rich relatives a contemptuous of her and at worst they're cruel and then her childhood when she goes on to school at a terrible school that was actually based on that Charlotte had been to a cow and bridge which was a cruel harsh cold school for the poor relatives of wealthy people or in fact people on their last office then part 2 is when she leaves then goes to be a governess at phone field and meets and. I think I can tell you this falls in love I don't think it's any secret to think that she and Mr Rush's do until you fall in love with each other. And there's a lot of gothic stuff there are a lot of mysterious gothic moments in this Jane has a an episode of the child with a ghost in a Red Room later she hears strange noises in phone field which is all very haunting and if you've not read the book before it's quite chilling and for reasons I won't go into in case there are people out there who haven't read it and those who have read it will know she then leaves Thornfield and goes off to well used to be the most boring bit of the book for me which is living with 2 young women and their beautiful evangelist Dick brother and it's at this point that Jane has a most wonderful moment a period in realizes that although she's been fish and obstinate and quite a sort of rebel in many ways she has controlled her passions enough to think about things quite carefully and she rejects the proposal from the evangelistic man and part 4 is that she rushes off I will not tell you where she goes to but it doesn't very happening well go home and I'm going to take a punt and say You've probably read. I think. I've lost count of the number of times that I vented again in advance of coming here to talk about it which was an absolute pleasure and it bears repeated review things that maybe this would be the 5th time in the same time or something and surely that's one definition of a classic novel that you can read it 6 times and still enjoy it find fresh and engaging and interesting on this rereading for me I suddenly saw all the balancing that she's doing in the plotting which I've never sort of noticed before you know he says you've never been in love Jane have you because you don't know what jealousy feels like so you can't be in love and then later. He does the jealousy thing with her she's very good at plotting it Henry James called this one of those great baggy 19th century months to us but I think he was wrong I don't think there's anything baggy about it too that I've certainly never thought that as a child I mean I think I was possibly the same age as you or even younger when I read it for the 1st time and and. Children that age are quite harsh critics I think if a plot doesn't belong and I had never been my impression Logan schools terrific too isn't it she writes with that that to be vaguely And so the harshness of it in the coldness of it comes over you feel for Jane rather you feel for Kate meany you know yeah you get if you talk about the harshness in the conus not hurt different reactions at different times reading this book I mean I love that as a teenager Absolutely and I think I skim read I sort of if Mr Rochester wasn't on the the Christmas day genocide and then he was not interested but I was a bit worried coming back to it was the last time I'd read it I'd actually found it a very cruel and sort of dark but with a kind of. I don't know how to say this is a sticky dark this is a sentimentality in there as well and I didn't really relish the idea of reading it again this time I did enjoy it differently from how I enjoyed it as a teenager and I think for many reasons I mean I think that. Well although the people are horrendously cruel to poor old Jane at various times I mean her relatives are wretched on the Mr Brocklehurst school who is a vicious sadist and and even There's a house party at Thornfield of people one of whom Mr Rock just about being gauged to I mean there are some serious enough people in this novel not only her or her aunt and cousins with whom she's living as a small child or terrible Mr Brocklehurst the evil sadistic Mr Brocklehurst who runs the school and even this house party at Thornfield. A whole group of snobbish people descend and so rude to the governess that you just say what but I think 2 things One is I thought. These people are just so awful that you know that Jane is going to triumph over the fact of one point reading the very beginning bit when she's with with her aunt on the awful cautioned love to draw on I thought you know what this is this is like the beginning of Harry Potter it's like the Dursley isn't doubly does really it's got a slightly sort of over the top quality to it where there's a great moment with Brocklehurst when Brocklehurst comes to see Jane because he with her off to this dreadful school and he's talking about fire and brimstone in the fact that this child is apparently awful and has lied in might well go to hell fire and he says to her little girl what is it you have to do in order to avoid this hoping that she's going to say something marvelously sweet and religious and she said I'm a stay well and not die. But that that's occurred the other thing that makes this makes the cruelty and darkness bearable it actually is you're talking about yes absolutely she is she is from the very beginning she's defiant and I mean she fights physically with her awful cousin John and she sings the teeth term as well she might because he's been very brutal and dishonest and and she's she's kind of up to a point a feminist heroine this is what I'm interested in I think it is only up to a point because very definitely Mr Rochester her employer is the light of her life she sort of argues with him and so on but he becomes She says some point he stood between my God and me he was like an eclipse in front of the Sun He is my God and. Think that she still calls him my master even when he is no longer employing her I mean it's a very it's a very sort of that there's a little and feminism isn't it go do you see her as entirely heroic. No I mean I think she's a flawed character and she has to be if we're going to really connect her in there with that that we just have done for for all this time using it again as an adult I think I had a slightly more nuanced understanding of why some of the adults she encounters aren't particularly nice to her she doesn't deserve any of the ill treatment that she receives of of course not but she's not she's quite a difficult child she's quite an odd child certainly by the standards of the period and certainly by the standards for girls in that period just because she is a forthright and direct and challenging and I am you can understand Mrs Reed. Her out and having having Jane as a mewling puking baby thrust upon her a took me until my forty's being a mother myself to realize that I might not. Gauge what that was self so I was less harsh on Mrs Reid at that point but also they make her a lot worse than she might have been She's a reactionary and that yes and she hasn't loved in the way that she needs to be left alone her to fully express herself and to be the parents and that she is if you know if you feel more kindly towards Mrs Reid towards the on I feel less kindly towards the tedious want to be missionary this. Religious with whom she has an engagement towards the end I mean I just when I 1st read this book I thought that whole section was really boring exams in the hurry up hurry up at this time I thought What an interesting character he has sinned and Rivers has this very handsome bloke and he's a control freak is a the nastiest sort he doesn't he doesn't love Jane not just who obviously he's mad for her he wants her to go and be a missionary with him uses guilty guilt trips are about God and serving people and after all own her doesn't he absolutely wants to underneath does that. Trick of when she displays him and contradicts him and stands up to him he just doesn't hit our any of that sort he just withdraws his affection he stops noticing her which is such a lethal thing to do and I hadn't registered just how unpleasant he was and just how brilliant it is when she understands that and understand she has to go and him she said I score I scorn your leadership and she agrees to go in the mission you're with him which is certain death for her but at the same time she won't marry him but she won't marry him and I think that's a great moment you know really great moment when you think when this book came out that's quite a thing for a woman with not much prospect but this is pretty appalled Terry says I can't travel abroad with a woman I'm not married to I say. Actually I was I'm good you know I'm going to have you body until you know awful awful who hasn't been out with someone like that it's very unkind to as it rolls I meant her name there the local you know how illicit the light is better but it's really really rather sweet and he's in love with him he yeah she's very beautiful and she adores him and I don't know why she adores her continually Doraville about him that she does doesn't and he seems to deny any feelings that he may have for her model here. We've been talking about Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte which is a Penguin Classic and before that we were talking about what was lost by Catherine and Flynn published by Profile Books Penelope Fitzgerald's the beginning of spring published by for the state and for a wealth of other books suggestions from guests as various a Sarah Perry and Mila mc say Bernadino Everest Oh just for a good read online and if you've read a book we talk about it a lot what you think of it by joining our book club on Instagram you can follow us at all one word a good read b.b.c. For now though a big thank you to my guests maybe's cheek and Gail Hanumant and to you to the same time next week thanks for listening. A good reach was presented by Harry produced in Bristol by Sally having. 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This drill and the suicide of a well known television presenter sparks shock in Britain with thousands paying tribute to her on social media that's all coming up on the newsroom Hello this is the b.b.c. News if you know MacDonald there's been a drop in the number of new cases of Corona virus in China for the 3rd consecutive day official said more than 2000 people were confirmed infected on Saturday the vast majority were in who be Province over 1600 have now died from covert 90 mm The Japanese health ministers are known 70 more cases of the disease on board a cruise liner docked off the port of Yokohama more than 350 people are now known to be infected 2 thirds have yet to be tested our correspondent in Tokyo Rupert Wingfield he's has more details the Diamond Princess is now by far the biggest coronavirus hotspot outside China the ship is in its 11th day of quarantine health experts say if the quarantine were effective the number of new cases of the virus should now be starting to decline but that is not happening today the Japanese government confirmed another 70 infections from those on board the ship follow 67 new cases yesterday. The Venezuelan government says Huge numbers of soldiers and civilians have begun a 2 d. Military drill to prepare for what it describes as the threat of invasion by u.s. Led forces the opposition leader why do dismiss the maneuvers as a propaganda exercise Here's our America's editor Leonardo Russia Venezuela's Defense Minister Vladimir Reno has said that over 2000000 members of a militia force created by the late August charges were among those deployed in several parts of the country President Nicolas Maduro alleges that terrorist groups backed by the United States have been training in secret camps in Brazil and Colombia the opposition says Mr model is simply trying to create a diversion from the real problems created by his government including poverty violence high inflation in widespread human rights violations police in Paris of arrested a Russian performance artist Republican ski who is behind the release of a sex video the brought down an hour of President Emanuel McCrum prosecutor said he was being questioned about a separate incident Grant ferret has this report the video ended bones remain Quivers election campaign to become the mayor of Paris its publication on social media has been widely condemned across the political spectrum in France Mr Polanski said he posted it online to expose what he called Mr Quivers hypocrisy the Russian has previously made headlines for a number of dramatic artistic exploits notably setting fire to the front door of Russia's secret police the f.s.b. In Moscow his efforts to highlight a lack of freedom of speech in Russia include sewing his lips together rolling naked in barbed wire and nailing his scrotum to the cobblestones of Red Square. That report from ground ferret world news from the b.b.c. . A number of rockets have hit in the area near the u.s. Embassy in the Iraqi capital Baghdad sirens were heard across the heavily fortified Green Zone where the embassy is located a military base of the u.s. Led coalition is nearby It's not clear whether the attack caused any damage or casualties Israel says its air force has carried out reads targeting the ism as movement Hamas in the Gaza Strip it's not yet known if anyone's been killed or injured the airstrikes followed rocket fire on Saturday into Israel from the Palestinian territory the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who's facing another general election in just over 2 weeks recently warned of a crushing response if the rocket fire by Palestinians continued. Early voting has begun in the u.s. State of Nevada as the Democrats continue their campaign to choose a candidate to stand against Donald Trump in November the week long process in the State finishes next Saturday is seen as an important test for Joe Biden who lost heavily in Iowa and New Hampshire his team argues Nevada with its more diverse population could help to improve Mr Biden's fortunes the suicide of a well known television presenters cause shock in Britain Caroline Flack who stood popular reality programs including love violent she was found dead at her home on Saturday the presenter who is 40 had been facing trial next month on charges of assaulting her boyfriend Our correspondent David Sillett who has been looking into the tribute online there are hundreds and hundreds of comments one from her management team expressing both sadness but also I think a degree of anger here and immensely talented young woman who was at the top of her game loved by television viewers she had been under huge pressure because of an ongoing case that was being pursued when it was known how vulnerable Caroline was b.b.c. News. Hello and welcome to the newsroom from the b.b.c. World Service with me tonight jail we start in China where officials say the number of new cases of Corona virus has fallen for the 3rd day in a row but that still means more than $140.00 need deaths bring the total killed by the virus to more than $1600.00 while China is insisting it's on the path to bringing the outbreak under control even going so far as disinfecting and quarantine banknotes health experts say there's no room for complacency more than 2 dozen countries have confirmed cases the World Health Organization says governments need to do more to protect their citizens get barley reports China has thrown the weight of its collective communist might against the coronavirus emergency hospitals both in days thousands of medical workers in the military deployed to aid the infected entire cities in quarantine officials claim the outbreak is generally under control despite criticism of their handling of the virus also known as covert 19 on Saturday they announced a sharp fall in the number of new cases but speaking in Munich the World Health Organization Director General Ted you said had them good reactors said the show still has many concerns we are concerned by the continued increase in the number of cases in China we are concerned by reports from China yesterday about the number of workers who have been infected or with cancer by their lack of urgency in finding the response from the international community a joint w.h.o. Chinese team is on the ground in Hue Bay the province where the outbreak began to gather more information on the virus China has sent to all punished hundreds of government and health workers it accuses of shortcomings in the handling of the crisis the country's foreign minister when he has defended the response being real which is the history of civilization. It is one of struggle against disease viruses respect no borders in the spirit of openness and transparency we promptly notified the world about the outbreak and shared the genetic sequence of the virus we have been working closely with the debate show increasingly the focus is on the rest of the world the World Health Organization is cooling for more money to help countries not ready or capable of coping with a possible epidemic so far 26 countries have recorded cases Margaret Harris is a spokesperson for the w.h.o. We know of about 30 to 40 countries that have got very frightened health systems that we are working intensively with to build the systems but we do lack of funds and we do lack the resort's us to get those countries ready it's just over 6 weeks since the outbreak was 1st identified in China since then it spread around the world and affected tens of thousands of lives the message from health experts is there's still a long way to go before they can be confident of getting complete control of the corona virus following on from the w h O's concerns the Microsoft founder and global health pioneer Bill Gates has warned the virus could devastate Africa if it establishes a hold there Meanwhile Japan has reported a sharp rise in the number of infections on board a cruise ship docked in Yokohama walk out he joins me now live in studio and Gareth a significant number of new cases in that Chris ship what we know yes this is the Diamond Princess it's been docked off York Harbor at the port there now for the last 11 days there's 3700 people on board all of that 1200 have so far been tested for Corona virus and now we know that 355 people on board have tested positive those who have tested positive then taken on to the mail undertaking to health facilities this cruise ship alone is now the largest single outbreak of Corona virus outside of China it's possibly the most densely populated outbreak as well as. Such a high number in such a small space people there in St Coren seem confined to their cabins if they don't have a balcony they can have very limited access to the deck as well to get out and get a bit of fresh air but we're now hearing is the United States is sending charter aircraft to remove its nationals who have post tested negative for the corona virus in the u.s. Embassy in Tokyo has written a letter and I just read some of it here it says based on the high number of coded 19 the other name for Corona virus identified on board the Department of Health and Human Services has made an assessment that passengers and crew members on board were high risk of exposure the letter then goes on to say these charter flights are your only option to fly into the United States before the 4th of March at the earliest and those people who are taken to the u.s. Will then be put into coronating for another 14 days as well and it's not just the United States we know that Canada is also sending an aircraft so its Hong Kong Australia is sending an expert to go and get a greater understanding of the situation on board the Diamond Princess and there's been a bit of criticism of Japan because it's so strict and so strange about this but Japan is very keen to keep as few cases on the mainland as possible hence people being kept on the ship and what about cases of coronavirus elsewhere in the world we saw in France the 1st recorded death of coronavirus outside of China that was a Chinese national who had arrived in France meanwhile in Egypt the 1st confirmed case in Africa now the authorities in Egypt are saying that it's a foreigner They've not given a nationality but as we were hearing earlier from the World Health Organization there particularly worried about 30 to 40 countries that they are trying to get funding for and to work with that maybe don't have the capacity to deal with the potential of an epidemic and I think it's fair to say that if this is now being seen in Africa that will heighten those concerns because those countries there that don't have the financial might the you know the medical might to places like Japan . And of the United Kingdom or the United States so the emergence of create a virus in there for care will of course cause greater concern Garrett thank you very much for that in a show of strength Venezuela's military is holding 2 days of exercises with civilian militia President Nicolas Maduro has accused the United States of backing terrorist groups and planning an invasion of an Israel or speaking on state television the defense minister Vladimir Padrino said the militia had a vital role to play in the country's defense so much they don't mean you are at your community selling you know he said look there are more than 2300000 militia men and women who have joined this drill incorporation of the militia as a special component of our national armed force gives it substantial added importance for all defense purposes of Venezuela but the opposition leader has dismissed the military drills as a propaganda exercise are America's editor or not a Russia told me more about them for the 1st time the Venezuelan government is having joint operation a joint drill with the army in this militia that was created by the late August Chavis they are civilians who've been trained to defend their country from an invasion or to basically be at the disposal of the government if something happens so more than $2000000.00 took part in several parts of the country in a way this is President Maduro sending a message to the United States say don't try anything here I have the support not only all you have the army but of armed civilians who are willing to fight for for the Bolivarian Revolution and How credible are missed amid duros claims of a possible Bay of Pigs style u.s. Military invasion Well the possibility of an invasion like the United States tried in Cuba in the 1960 is slim at the moment we have an election here in the United States it's. To be out of the question but the rhetoric has been quite vociferous quite strong from both sides among the refers to trump as the head of the Empire and Trump calls him a dural a dictator in the we have the problem also the United States increasing the sanctions against Venezuela so we have the possibility off aggression somehow and in the past Donald Trump didn't rule out the possibility of military action to get rid of because my daughter are not a Russia in the United States all eyes are Nevada as early voting has begun in the race to pick the Democratic candidate to take on Donald Trump in November as presidential election and is a key contest for Joe Biden he's playing catch up after a poor showing in New Hampshire and Iowa at a rally in Las Vegas he reminded the crowd of his vice presidential credential zx I was really proud to be Brock's vice president President Obama is right. There we're proud. That the day we passed Obama Care Thank you it was a stalwart a strong work achievement now Donald Trump and I might add some Democrats want to get rid of it won't bother my dead body they're going to get rid of it. Mr Boyd's main rival is likely to be the senator Bernie Saunders currently the front runner in the Democratic Party race so just how important is the Nevada contest for Mr Biden is the question on put to our portion and that they kiss havea chunk it's definitely a very important race for him because his performances in Iowa and New Hampshire would be in a disappointing and in some ways sound like embarrassing considering he's a poll the vice president said particleboard name recognition than the other candidate but he had a theme I've been playing down the defeat in Iowa and New Hampshire and what they tell you is that in developed it is a state that's much more and it looks a lot more like in the rest of the u.s. And so they would say that this is a state where he's hoping to put in the best to performance and I'm right now so post I'm just he's a distant 2nd behind the sand and hope to suggest that Mr Senator the plans 4 percent so he's on 16 percent coming in 2nd which isn't as bad as what happened in Iowa and New Hampshire but suggests he still faces a very strong challenge convention. And there are concerns out there in Nevada off to the the voting chaos we saw in Iowa because the technical problems there and the organizers in Nevada hoping the no can see a repeat of that kind of chaos yes in fact that's one of the biggest questions people have you know about their ballot because yeah it was out so badly delayed that in the posse Chiefs had to resign and Donald Trump quoted a yes but I'm initially to state the end of the with citing the same thing at but after the problems in Iowa emerged now they say Well the latest we've heard is that precinct will be using Google phone to tell you the results but they will have paper copies as the best but then I've also talked to experts who say they don't expect to see the same pulp in the so I will read it simply because there has been a lot of the early those who take and say things that we think a majority of people will take us into the caucuses rather than caucus night which gives them more time to tell me everything up hand is shown tributes have poured in for the British television presenter Caroline Flack who has died at the age of 40 she. As found dead at her flat in London on Saturday having taken her own life Caroline Flack was best known for hosting the hugely successful dating reality show Love Island but she stood down in December after she was alleged to have assaulted her boyfriend she denied the offense and had been due to stand trial next month her management team have criticised British prosecutors for pressing ahead with the case entertainment correspondent David Slater reports. Love Island x. Factor I'm a celebrity can we please all gather around the fire Caroline Flack was a presenter on some of the biggest programs in British television to save one island from each couple she was until a few weeks ago the face of the glamorous escapist fun of Love Island but everything I don't ruffled after she was arrested and charged with assault her boyfriend in court in December it was clear she was deeply distressed she was found dead as a flat a lawyer said she had taken her own life friends and colleagues have spoken of their shock and heartbreak Love Island as a show that thrives on its impact on social media thousands were expressing their grief and sympathy but in recent weeks in the wake of a court appearance the attention from the press and online has been intense and Stayman journalist Caroline Frost social media is a very powerful tool for these percenters because they can effortlessly and immediately communicate with so many different fans and really bring their own personality to the fore the problem is is that on the bad days that scrutiny and attention doesn't go away it stays with them for these increasingly public figures isn't that means of escape from there. Is a bit of a surprise element Frank's t.v. Career went back to early 20 years from tear my own children's b.b.c. To winning Strictly Come Dancing and 2014. The night she won there was a late but she spoke afterwards of a struggle with depression then came the assault charge. She was accused of hitting her boyfriend while he slept he stood by her but they weren't allowed to communicate before her forthcoming trial and Caroline Flack was advised to stay off social media but she did post this on Instagram she thanked those who had been kind to her and added this kind of scrutiny and speculation is a lot to take on for one person another post read simply in a world where you can be anything because I'm David Letterman porting You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service the time is now coming up to $520.00 g.m.t. . And they relieve the b.b.c. World service to begin our day here on b.b.c. Radio 4 Good morning this is Diana speed welcoming you to the network the time is 20 past 5 on Sunday the 16th of February and in a moment Sarah Keith Lucas will bring you a shipping forecast with a full and more general forecast of what the weather is up to across the country during news briefing 1st a look ahead to this afternoon and a new Radio 4 series starring Glenda Jackson. Isn't easy. She's fingers around your heart. Tell me about dramas inspired by the works of Emile Zola you know in life slings one thing after that I guess been made with an all star cast led by Glenda Jackson never seen me cry before more to the point neither had I fault lines money sex and blood on b.b.c. Radio 4 she was worth 10 of you I am glad about that I really am begins this afternoon at 3 o'clock. Now over to Sara thanks Diana good morning and now the shipping forecast issued by the Met Office on behalf of the maritime and Coastguard Agency and I 5 o 5 on Sunday the 16th of February 2020 there are warnings of gales in all areas except Trafalgar the general synopsis of midnight low 100 miles south of Iceland $9.00 to $3.00 expected Pharaoh's 945 by midnight tonight and the area forecasts for the next 24 hours biking north etc south at 0 forty's southerly or south westerly 7 to severe gale 9 decreasing 6 at times rain then showers good occasionally poor Cromarty 4th time in dog or fish or German bite Humber. Southwest 6 to Gale 8 increasing severe gown 9 at times rain then showers could occasionally pour. Thames dovo white Portland Plymouth Northwest Biscay westerly or southwesterly 7 to severe down 9 occasionally storm Tenet 1st rain then schoolie showers moderate occasionally poor . Southeast Biscay southerly becoming cyclonic 5 to 7 occasionally Gale 8 in north becoming variable 2 to 4 then south westerly 5 to 7 later occasional rain good occasionally moderate. South Fitzroy south westerly 6 to Gale 8 occasionally severe gal 9 at 1st in North varying westerly 5 to 7 rain then showers good occasionally moderate North Fitzroy Seoul Lundy Fastnet. Westley or southwesterly 7 to severe gale 9 increasing storm 10 at times except in Lundie rain then school the showers Well occasionally poor. Irish Sea Southwest 7 to severe gale 9 decreasing 6 at times rain then school the showers good occasionally poor Shannon Rockall Mallon Southwest veering West Gale a 2 storm 10 occasionally 7 later school the showers wintery at times wandered occasionally poor Hebrides Bailey Southwest becoming cyclonic 7 to severe gale 9 increasing storm 10 at times schoolie wintry showers moderate occasionally poor. Fair Isle Southwest becoming cyclonic latest 7 to severe gal 9 perhaps storm 10 later schoolie showers moderate occasionally poor ferries southerly becoming cyclonic 6 to Gale age decreasing 5 at times perhaps of a go 9 later in South squally wintry showers good occasionally poor southeast Iceland cyclonic 5 to 7 increasing Gale 8 at times becoming variable 2 to 4 then cyclonic 3 to 5 later schoolie wintry showers good occasionally poor. And the weather reports from coastal stations for a Ford. Tyree automatic Southwest 7 recent rain 6 miles 964 now rising Stornoway Southwest 5 recent rain more than 38 miles 959 now rising Loic South by West 612 miles 966 Falling Slowly Lukas southwest by West 6 recent rain 19 miles 969 now rising. Bridlington Southwest 4981 falling more slowly Jessie south southwest 6 recent rain 4 miles 1001 falling channel light vessel automatic southwest by South 81000 meters 995 falling silly automatic west by south 6 slight drizzle one mile 992 rising slowly for mention southwest by West 6 recent rain 6 miles 982 now falling Wells way west southwest 6 recent rain 7 miles 976 Falling Slowly man in head southwest 79 miles 969 now falling and here is the weather forecast for the Ensure waters of Great Britain and Northern Ireland voted for the following 24 hours issued by the Met Office at a 5. General situation a very deep area of low pressure to the northwest of the United Kingdom will continue to bring its strong south westerly winds Jaring Sunday and into Monday with gales expected in all parts and storm force winds affecting northern and southern areas at times Cape Wrath to Rattray head including Orkney southwesterly varying Westley later 7 to severe gale 9 perhaps storm 10 at later in North schoolie showers did occasionally pour rasher a head to bear upon Tweed Southwest 7 to severe gale 9 occasionally 6 at 1st rain then showers moderate or good occasionally port 1st but upon Tweed to Whitby Southwest 6 to Galle to casually 5 at 1st then increasing severe go 9 times rain then showers well to talk good occasionally port 1st. With b. To Gibraltar point south west 6 to Gale 8 occasionally 5 at 1st then increasing severe gale 9 at times later rain then showers what it all did occasionally port 1st Gibraltar point to North Foreland south westerly 70 s of a gallon 9 decreasing 4 to 6 for a time at 1st rain then showers but are told good occasionally port 1st will fall into cell c. Bill Westley or southwesterly 7 to severe gale 9 occasionally storm 10 at 1st then decreasing 5 or 6 for a time rain then showers or to a good occasion report 1st Selsey bill to Lyme Regis west or south west 70 s. Of a gale 9 occasionally storm 10 at 1st then decreasing 5 or 6 for a time rain then showers schoolie later or 3 whole good occasionally port 1st Lyme Regis Lands End including the hours of silly west of Southwest 7 to survey again 90 creasing 5 or 6 for a time at 1st rain then school early showers moderate or good occasionally poor at 1st Land's End use in David's head including the Bristol Channel west coast Southwest 7 to severe gale 9 decreasing 6 at times rain then schoolie showers water to a good occasionally port 1st seen David's head to great on heading to ding St George's Channel Southwest 6 to Gale 8 increasing survey down 9 times rain then school he showers one or 2 a good occasionally port 1st great on head to the mall of Galloway south west 6 to Gail 8 increasing survey girl 9 times rain then school he showers well ditto good occasionally port 1st I live man Southwest 7 to survey gal 9 mainly fair moderate or good. Look full to conning for luck Southwest 7 to severe gale 90 creasing 6 at times schoolie showers good occasionally poor. Lot of Galloway to Mull of Kintyre including the 1st of Clyde in North Channel southwesterly $72.00 Civic Al 9 decreasing 6 at times schoolie showers good occasionally poor man of Kintyre to add an American point Southwest varing West later 70 civic and 9 increasing storm tenets times schoolie showers moderate occasionally pour. Are American points to Cape Wrath Southwest alleviating Westley later 70 s of a gallon 9 increasing storm 10 at times schoolie showers 100 occasionally pour Shetland Isles South 6 to Gale 8 bearing Southwest 7 to civic hour 9 schoolies showers good occasionally poor and that completes the shipping bulletin I'll be back with a general weather forecast in a few minutes thank you this is b.b.c. Radio 4 it's half past 5 on Sunday the 16th of February Good morning this is news briefing with Diana speed. Families have been evacuated from their homes as a storm Dennis causes rivers to flood in the Scottish Borders Caroline flex management have criticized the Crown Prosecution Service following the television presenter suicide just days before she was due to stand trial for assault the number of new coronavirus cases in China has dropped for the 3rd consecutive day and in sport Liverpool established a 25 point lead at the top of the Premier League with a heart for victory against Norwich. A number of homes have been evacuated in the Scottish Borders as Storm Dennis continues to bring heavy rain and strong winds across the u.k. Rivers in the horrific area are causing flooding while 2 people have been rescued from a car which was swept off a road in Newcastle and after a river burst its banks. More than 200 flood warnings are in place across Britain with 3 severe warnings in Scotland meaning there is a danger to life Crabtree who's a flood warden in top Morden in West Yorkshire says people there are prepared all of Hawk-Eye after last weekend we were hammered we were caught a little bit on the hop we knew it was going to be I remember don't think anybody realise just how body was we got more places would have been we had on previous occasions new places that don't normally flood so we've been telling everybody it's on its way make sure you're prepared for it Caroline flex management company have criticised the Crown Prosecution Service for pursuing a trial against her even though she was vulnerable the Love Island presenter was found dead at her home yesterday having taken her own life she was due to stand trial next month accused of assaulting her boyfriend which she denied the c.p.s. Said it couldn't comment on the specifics of the case the celebrity Agent Jones and Shanna to represents Love Island contestants says the media has to bear some responsibility for what's happened these people might be famous but they're still vulnerable individuals I remember looking at the press before Christmas about the whole case against our law and it was horrendous about press use galaxy was getting more negative press the terrorist. Officials in China's Hu Bay province which is at the center of the corona virus outbreak have announced another drop in new cases just over 2000 new infections were confirmed yesterday the 3rd day in a row that the number has fallen the outbreak has now killed 1665 people. A British couple quarantined on a cruise liner off the Japanese proved to be a harm or have accused the u.k. Government of ignoring their pleas for help the United States and Canada airlift their citizens off the Diamond Princess which is reported 355 cases of the coronavirus the biggest cluster outside China in a video post on Facebook David Abel and his wife Sally said they had little hope of a similar rescue I'm now given up on anybody in the u.k. Quite frankly and realize that all us Brits are just going to have to do our own thing now is that he talking to us yeah no message from the u.k. Foreign Office. They just don't give a damn Seanie American and Afghan officials say the 1st phase of a plan to end the 18 year conflict in Afghanistan could begin the soonest tomorrow the Taliban is due to start a weeklong reduction in violence and if that goes well is expected to sign a longer term deal later this month. Rockets have hit and there it near the u.s. Embassy in Baghdad sirens were heard across the heavily fortified Green Zone in the Iraqi capital there's been no confirmation of any damage or casualties. Police in Paris have arrested the Russian performance artist pure trip of Linsky who released a sex video that brought down President mackerels candidate in x. Months Merrill election prosecutors said he was being questioned about a separate incident involving an alleged fight at a flat in the city 6 weeks ago. Now back with a more general forecast for you this time his circus Lucas thanks Diana well Storm Dennis will continue to cause disruption today we've currently got about 250 flood warnings in place across the u.k. Including 3 severe flood warnings for southern Scotland and South Wales too and Amber warnings from the Met Office still in force for more heavy rain particular cross old England Wales south west England and southeast England many areas saying about 50 to 80 millimeters of rain in parts of South Wales we've already had over 100 millimeters that could be about 120 millimeters in places today so some very heavy rain around today and some strong winds too now was that the country north to south so all of southern England Wales the Midlands and eastern England a very wet starts the day we've got some heavy rain and some strong gusty winds in store today wind gusts about $45.00 to $55.00 mph strong in that around expose case so could see some trees down some power cuts and certainly flooding with that persistent rain which will just slowly clear off towards the southeast during the season and then a return to clearer spells and heavy showers. The Northern England Scotland and Northern Ireland early persistent rain for northern England clears south quite quickly and then it's a day of sunny spouse and heavy showers with hail thunder and some snow over the mountains of Scotland very strong winds particular by this evening we could see gusts up to about 75 miles per hour it is a reason the mild day with temperatures between about 7 to 12 degrees for most of us today but tomorrow another very windy day with sunshine heavy showers and they will be wintry and the hills of Scotland thank you Sarah Turner for a look at the front pages of this morning's newspapers and pictures of Caroline Flack and coverage of her death feature on most the Sunday Mirror describes it as a valentine tragedy saying she had spent Friday on her own and unable to respond to a supportive social media message from her partner Louis Burton the television presenter was banned from contacting her boyfriend ahead of her trial for allegedly assaulting him charges he had urged prosecutors to drop the Mail on Sunday describes her as a troubled romantic who never did find true love while the Sun on Sunday runs an article written by her friend Clemmie moody which says she was brilliant witty fun and just wanted someone to take care of her the Sunday Times says Downing Street has vowed to scrap the television license fee and make views pay a subscription for b.b.c. Services it is the national broadcaster could also be compelled to sell off most of its local and national radio stations and reduce the number of television channels it runs and number 10 sources quoted as saying The pm is firmly of the view that there needs to be serious reform and he is really strident on this. It's lead Sunday Telegraph says it understands that anyone suffering flu like symptoms could be ordered by health officials to self isolated home for a fortnight if the number of coronavirus cases in the u.k. Hits the hundreds he says millions of Britons with coughs and colds could end up in quarantine as part of attempts to contain the outbreak. The paper also reports the Boris Johnson has abandoned plans to impose a mansion tax on owners of expensive homes following a major backlash from Conservative M.P.'s and grassroots members he says the prime minister is understood to have cooled on the idea of concluding the measure in the upcoming budget after discussing it with Sajid Javid before he resigned as chancellor. The Mail on Sunday leads with reaction to the candid pod cast interview by the Duchess of Cambridge sharing her anxieties and doubts about parenting The paper says it was an unprecedented insight inter-personal life and one of the most intimate ever given by a senior will look at the morning papers now sports and a pool have edged closer to claiming their 1st Premier League title with more on that and the rest of this morning sport headlines is pulsars Liverpool moved a massive 25 points clear of the top of the table with a one mil win of a bottom club at Carrow Road yesterday that 25th win from 26 matches in the Premier League this season that monitor you can plop isn't getting carried away despite his team's mom athlete it's incredible 25 games mentality of the years of this group but we sit here and I if you would have asked me about ever during my career but $76.00 points out of whatever match. I would defeat I probably would have said thought I'm in the bus already on the way home drinking celebrating whatever it doesn't feed at all like this in the days of the Premier League match Burnley beat Southampton c one at St Mary's in today's games Arsenal host Newcastle before Tottenham travelled to Aston Villa a win for Spurs would see the move within a point of 4th place Chelsea West Bromwich Albion state's top of the Championship after that 22 draw with 5th place Notts in forest while promotion hopefuls Leeds United got back to winning ways with a one nil victory over Bristol City American born Swedish pole vaulter. Broke his own world record clearing 6 metres 18 at the indoor grown Prix in class yesterday the 20 year old has his sights set on even bigger things there's a lot of things left for me to achieve I'm no one Olympics and I want to watch I mean chips and there's a lot of meets that I'm never one that I want to win and you know I want to be the best I want to have the summer and then I don't know from there yet you have accomplished some more things than I have so I keep trying. To keep them. Because I'm really having a blast at their job and right now and you know I think good things will happen elsewhere the wins for Britain's To me 1500 and lure him you're in the 1000 meters the controversial Australian rugby player Israel Folau made his debut for Catalans Dragons yesterday scoring after just 6 minutes of his 1st rugby league appearance in a decade as the French side because with a 3618 impact in your in his The B.B.C.'s rugby league correspondent thank you it's all eyes are on Israel Folau and pull all the off field control for sea he showed a flash of undoubted on the field at letters over the leaping catch to score after only 6 minutes his role there after was limited but his teammates led by fullback Sam talking to scored a hat trick did a terrific job Castleford scored 3 eyecatching tries themselves what they were always 2nd best to a drug inside the looks very good and I'll be expecting more from follow on the field and England's cricketers take on South Africa in the 3rd and final t 20 international that century and later with the series tied 11 and look ahead now to some of the items in the diary for later in the day the contenders for the Labor leadership and deputy leadership will take part in a hustings in London hosted by the co-operative party sickest Rebecca long Bailey and this and then to remain in the running to replace Jeremy Coogan. Hungary's prime minister Viktor Orban will give his annual State of the Nation speech the Nationals leader is expected to lay out steps to boost the economy and comment on the E.U.'s migration policies and finally a look back at some of the stories that are making news on this state in earlier years the angel of the North was unveiled in Gateshead in 1998 the 70 foot tall steel sculpture of a man with wings took 70 is to design and build the sculptor Antony Gormley spoke to reporters at the end veiling I'm absolutely thrilled it's fantastic to see the cars slowing down on the a while as they get to grips with this new visual scene in front of them I become very something of what it means to be alive at the end of track just century I hope that it conveys a feeling of an immense potential and an almost danger the last major battle of the 1st English Civil War The Battle of Tarrant and took place on this date in 16462 Commons burial chamber was unsealed by the British archaeologist Howard Carter in 1903 Fidel Castro was sworn in as Cuba's youngest ever leader in 1959 after President who was driven into exile the previous month in 1965 the 2nd beaching report was published which led to the closure of a quarter Britain's railway system and look the loss of nearly $70000.00 jobs. The Shia Islamist militant group Hezbollah was founded in 1985 and in 2005 the Kyoto Protocol game into force 7 years after it was 1st agreed requiring countries to cut greenhouse gas emissions for the world's largest polluter the United States did not sign the treaty. And so not all of us for you on this date include the founder of Cadillac Henry m.l. And in 843 the former leader of North Korea Kim Jong Il in 1941 the author in banks in 1954 The Rapper and actor Ice-T. In 1958 The 7 time Grand Slam winning tennis player John McEnroe in mind 159 the actor Christopher Eccleston in 1964 the Australian Olympic gold medal winning sprinter Cathy Freeman in 1973 the Italian motorcycle racer Valentino Rossi in 1979 and the former England international footballer Rickie Lambert in 1982 happy birthday to them and that completes this morning's news briefing. Well time now for bells on Sunday which this week comes from St John's Church in Sid Cup in the county of Kent the tower contains appeal of 6 bells the 4 lightest were cast by Thomas Ms The 2nd in 1843 the 5th and tenor were cast by John Warner and sons in 1001 or 6 bells were retuned by Mears and Steyn bang in 150 the tenor weighs 8 and 3 quarter 100 weight and is tuned to the key of a. Part of a full repeal of single Oxford of mind of. I so Britain has a new chancellor out goes Star Trek Sam Sam did Javid teleported out of office after refusing a number 10 downgrade and demand to sack is advisors and then comes another side Star Wars obsessive She says neck down flat all you care about taking over in these circumstances. Like to be appointed not to get on with thanks very much good writing is a. Puppet regimes soon and has always wanted to be a Jedidiah Knight you know mess with them I am a huge Star Wars fan and I've gone to midnight showings of the movies I read had all I read all the books I have lots of stuff home toys lightsabers Lego impressive on top of his brief to do as he demonstrated on the B.B.C.'s political thinking with Nick Robinson podcast a few weeks ago quiz that in episode one which politician loses a vote of no confidence Oh senator a lawyer the chancellor of Laurel correct which planet becomes the subject of a trade war between the Senate and the Trade Federation Abu which intergalactic you named as can't do cruise ship movement want to leave. Which are which are all big big like the guy with Republicans that yes yeah correct and now he's chancellor in charge of Britain's post breaks it a commie gone May the Force be with him. Rishi soon ark was born in Southampton in May 980 the eldest of 3 children to Indian parents his grandparents emigrating to Britain from East Africa in the 1960 s. George Packer political editor of The Financial Times as followed his career and takes up the story his father was a a family doctor his mother was a pharmacist and he regards himself as British Indian That's what he puts on the census he talks about his religious and cultural heritage being Indian and he's open about being a Hindu but you know he's from that generation a thinks of 2nd generation of Indian immigrants who worked extremely hard studied extremely hard and made a massive success of their life as a boy Rishi helped out with the family business from time to time my mum's a pharmacist there in chief at some point when I was a teenager you know she she bought her own pharmacy but there was also then a small business owner and I did you know I did all the accounts and the books and did the bookkeeping and the accounts for so from quite early age I kind of got the import You know I could see right when the national and contributions go up all this tax goes up because I was doing the books innovate he returned every week. He got a top class education went to Winchester College on a Britain's most prestigious boarding schools school motto manners make a man sadly they were. Make of this program so no school friends no teachers with fond memories of their former head boy but we do have George a 15 year old boy from a North Yorkshire comprehensive who recently interviewed his m.p. Rishi So you know about his school days for a podcast he was making a few Well if you go George what did he say oh it was it was a really nice go to be you've had a bit of a career you know you've interviewed the man is now chancellor of the u.k. Yeah and the video I did to that is that you got work quite soon news overnight and I bet. You asked about school in what what did it tell. Whether any scrapes adventures are going into well the one time he wanted to watch the Euros and I don't think it was actually a lot so he had like a little old t.v. And he snuck up on to like so root servers as college he was watching it with his friend England scored a goal and started celebrating and celebrate and turned around the head teachers actually stood behind him Strom Torres. Didn't seem to affect him though if he did well at school in the art of got to go to school. Thanks to their. After Winchester College Richie soon act went to Oxford to study p.p. Philosophy politics and economics he joined the university's investment club started trading stocks and shares did well in the studies too says Katie Bowles deputy political editor at the Spectator he achieved a fest I think what's interesting about his academic background is next stands out as some He's very intellectual academic after a few years in investment banking he did a business masters degree at California Stanford University a smart decision not just for the qualification he met his future wife muti there too soon ex-wife well connected explains Asho ray of the Times of India his father in law is not an animal he is the co-founder of this technology company based in Bangalore Clyde in for service and then billionaires I think at least a couple of millions more of these very famous in Bangalore guess if you don't ask anybody to name a businessman in Bangalore and show their name what the 1st year the pair married in Bangalore in 2009 it was big news says Asher a it wasn't a big size down what they are but it has made this really Dan and they in my did everybody their friends from all over the world their staff their family. Relatives there you maybe before going into politics really soon Arquette a successful career in finance there is not one to blow his own trumpet says George Parker he has a about me web page where he glosses over some of the myths of his business career including the fact he works for Goldman Sachs the famous vampire squid of global capitalism and also the fact he worked for hedge fund these are 2 things which most politicians would rather leave off their off their cd so he likes to present himself as someone who worked with startups helping struggling new companies rather than 20 much in the fact that he had a well remunerated career with companies like Goldman Sachs you can have no doubt at all that you knock would be by far the richest member of the British Cabinet he became an m.p. In 2015 selected as the conservative candidate for the safe seat of Richmond in North Yorkshire former Tory leader William Hague's old seat at the time not everyone was convinced that he was the right man for the job Rickles Chris Lloyd features writer with the Northern Echo he rather came out of nowhere and to the blue so at 1st he was greeted with suspicion perhaps a little bit of cynicism because he clearly is not from Yorkshire he is from outside. In and he does indeed look different in a constituency that is 101 percent white is from Southampton that's practically as far south as you can get it is another world from your career both in terms of geography and of course in terms of football as well he supports Southampton f.c. I think he is a big Saints fan yes yes and that probably doesn't go down too well and that part of North Yorkshire which looks to Leeds as its football team you know I'm a Leeds fans I know exactly what to say and. It is up most to try to win them over mind here was the new bloke who was all over the place he was going to all the right places he was wearing is new green Wellington boots and standing beside mock ups. With pictures of dry stone walls in the background and he went into the cattle markets and he spoke with great knowledge about the intricacies of milk pricing and that sort of thing and that did make a difference the Maharajah of the Yorkshire Dales journalist Ben Judah Dobbs Tonight can earn the article he wrote for Us Magazine Politico Juda spending time following the want to be m.p. On the campaign trail one of the more remote corners of the constituency there was a lot of confusion about what hedge fund actually was one gent got confused about really soon x. Profession and that he wouldn't. Come along and help him attention instead of a hedge fund manager in the end he won with a 19000 majority ones in the Commons Richmond's new m.p. Didn't hang about says Kati balls soon after entering parliament he became a member of their environment feeder or the fast committee now again you might think this is not particularly impressive things he is clearly relevant but I do think you have to remember that often when M.P.'s have small the majorities they will Gates these great efforts if you have one of the safest seats you don't need to have as I think he someone has always bought the team so he's worked hard for this even though he probably didn't really have to soon at compressing the committee's chairman the conservative m.p. Neil parish I remember how he impressed me Eyebright ably was and I remember going back and saying to my wife we've got a very bright guy come onto the committee goldrush ysu not I reckon he's going to go quite far he says Sue not was always prepared to fight his corner we were talking as of all things of splitting sheep carcasses and he got quite excited about that one day he felt the processes were not giving a fair price to the farmers they were holding up the processing and he for really strong. On the committee and so like that I thought the side of him then where he could really dig in and was fight in the corner for his farmers he stuck to his guns to a year later in the run up to the e.u. Referendum when he defied his leader David Cameron and back believe campaign nor neckers Chris Lloyd again he went straight out there and held a series of town hall meetings a couple of which I chaired and he was very manly pro breaks it and he answered with great knowledge he had really done is research I was surprised given the lukewarm attitude of the Cameron government that he was a very ambitious chap who was really nailing is colors to the bricks that most long before those joining come lately like Michael Gove or Boris Johnson were in that particular camp after David Cameron resigned and to reason may became prime minister she appointed him a junior housing and communities minister he voted her breaks it deal the each time it went before parliament and when she stood down he was nearly backer of Boris Johnson for Pm a significant moment says spectator deputy political editor Katie balls within Boris Johnson's team met recently seen act is seen as crucial actually in retrospect there was a point in the leadership campaign when not that many M.P.'s had come out and back Boris Johnson and from the center of the party and I think since then there is a special level of loyalty towards lity. He is seen as someone who is on the wavelength of Boris Johnson when Johnson got the keys to number 10 rewarded soon act by making him Chief Secretary to the Treasury when we came into office Labor had left this country on the brink of bankruptcy but because of the actions we took the economy is now stronger soon at filling in for Johnson and t.v. Debates during December the general election campaign an odd choice as the f t's political editor George Parker. I think people when watching some of those election debates someone who on earth us they are pretty soon I was barely known outside Westminster standing in for the prime minister but he's articulate he's good on television he can be a bit stilted he can sound sometimes like he's reading off a party scripts it didn't seem to harm him in fact quite the opposite on Thursday when Sajid Javid quit as chancellor it was Rashidi soon act that Boris Johnson turned to replace him meteoric doesn't really cover his career he's gone from being a Local Government Minister to running the treasury in the space of little more than 18 months it's absolutely incredible and it's notable that in Cabinet meetings Boris Johnson often go to receive sooner for economic advice and people often said that he was Boris Johnson's favorite minister so he's extremely competent he's extremely sharp he can muster a spreadsheet I suppose if you looking for weaknesses what needs to be able to do is communicate sums of the human side of the public to really go to where many people think he is going which is a bench number 10 Downing Street I've had many people in the government I've had M.P.'s I've had some government aides that just really seen act as a future prime minister in the short term soon Ark has his work cut out is meant to deliver a budget in little more than 3 weeks' time there's also the question of his mettle his independence historically chancellors stand up to prime ministers keep them in check but with Boris Johnson and his chief advisor Dominic Cummings now trying to bring numbers 10 and 11 Downing Street even closer together people wonder whether Richie soon has the experience the bottle to confront or challenge his political patron is George Packer again reducing that needs to quickly establish himself as an independent figure running an independent treasury and if it looks like the Treasury is just working at the whim of the prime minister or indeed his chief advisor Dominic Cummings that's a difficult position for a c c Not to be and so he needs to assert himself very quickly I think. 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Storm Dennis has brought strong winds and heavy rain overnight with 4 severe flood warnings now in place in the Scottish Borders and South Wales the us is sending aircraft to Japan to pick up American citizens stranded on a cruise ship hit by the corona virus outbreak.

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Police dealt with a complaint about allegedly transfer pick tweets was too heavy handed and could have a chilling effect on freedom of speech there's been a sharp rise in the number of cases of mumps in England most of them young adults who didn't have the m.m.r. Vaccination a woman has been told that her Islamic wedding ceremony is not recognised in law and that she is therefore not entitled to a divorce settlement from a strange part of Manchester City football club have been banned from European competition for the next 2 seasons after being found to have committed serious breaches of u.a.e. For financial fair play regulations the reigning Premier League champions have also been fined 20 $5000000.00 pounds the club said they were disappointed and would appeal against the outcome of what it called a prejudicial process sports correspondent Joe Wilson reports the financial fair play rules are designed to level football's funding playing field to ensure that success is not simply bought with the prize is always going to the richest owners sponsorship is a legitimate source of income and Manchester City have benefited greatly from the sponsorship of Eddie had airlines the company is owned by the Abu Dhabi ruling family which also owns Manchester City you waver decided that most of that sponsorship money was in effect direct funding from the owners and thus its financial rules have been broken Bunning Manchester City from European club football is the biggest blow imaginable to their status and ambitions the club sole motivation is to become the best in Europe by Jess's city have questioned the independence of the investigation and say they will appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport at the earliest opportunity. Dr Daniel Plumlee a football finance expert from Sheffield Hallam University says Manchester City will have carefully prepared their defense and will be ready to challenge the ban no doubt in my mind they will have been ready in themselves for this worst case scenario the statement is bullish That's absolutely right they're going to fight this they don't think they have broken the regulations to this extent you know there's been calls for you a for to to really enforce the regulations home and I think some people will be saying this is what you a should have been doing from the start with financial fair play and and it will be interesting now to see how this pans out speaking on 5 Live The former Manchester City midfielder Michael Brown said he believed the club would continue to be successful despite the threat of penalties will the recruitment be a little bit harder yes it will with any club any ole miss can take this on and I think it's Manchester City we've seen what type of ability they have people still want to sign the munches to city they'll know that the club will come back jumpers they will will be bought a club at the top of the Premier League is a huge attraction. The shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry appears to fail to win enough support to go through to the final round of the Labor leadership contest pounded that out until midnight to secure the backing of 33 party constituencies but barring last minute nominations the indications are that she's fallen just short of the threshold is our political correspondent Jessica Parker Emily film became very close spot in the end it appears it wasn't to be the front bench I had pitched herself as someone who could take on Boris Johnson having shadowed him when he was foreign secretary but inability to perform in the chamber didn't translate to grassroots support amongst members or trades unions she previously said that she was being squeezed by bigger campaigns was conceding that her own efforts got off to a late start bar any unexpected nominations emerging at the very last minute those efforts tonight ended 3 have made it through to the final stage of the contest Rebecca Baillie kissed Omma and Lisa Nnamdi had already secured their place on the ballot 5 contenders will slug it out for the job of deputy leader voting by party members and supporters is due to a been in just over a week's time with the results set to be announced at a special conference on April the 4th. A High Court judge has ruled that Humberside Police sang to disproportionately when they went to a man's workplace over a series of trans phobic social media post offices told Harry Miller whose 54 that was his tweets about transgender people were not a crime they were a hate incident they will say warned him about making further posts in the same vein in court Mr Justice Julian knows said that the effect of the police turning up at a place of work because of a person's political opinions was chilling and must not be underestimated his our legal correspondent Clive Coleman Harry Miller believes that biologically a man can't become a woman in January 29th teen a transgender woman complained about his social media comments sometimes he used graphic language one referring to parents of trans children chopping off their bullocks Humberside Police went to his place of work he was questioned told he could be prosecuted if he continued a known crime hate incident was recorded that could later be revealed if a potential employer working with young rebel groups carried out a detailed background check Mr Miller argued the police guidance breach free speech and required no evidence of hate nor a specific victim Mr Justice Judean olds ruled that the guidance was lawful but the way it was applied by homicide police the disproportionately interfered with Mr Miller's right to free speech referring to the secret police forces of totalitarian regimes he said in this country we've never had a Checa a good stop 0 or Starsky we've never lived in an Orwellian society he added outside court Harry Miller was triumphant we stand here today between the twin dragons of liberty and law. A new police stand behind a chocolate fireguard called the College of policing guidelines it will not shield you you will get. The police guidance was developed after the murder of the black teenager Stephen Lawrence in a racist attack in 1993 Its aim is to deal with hate incidents before they escalate into hate crimes each year more than 25000 hate incidents a logged by u.k. Police while many feel the judge has robustly defended free speech others will fear his words are a green light for those wanting to direct hurtful and offensive comments at minority groups Helen Belcher is from the organization trans media watch I think Chance people being worried that. It could become open season on us because the court didn't really define what the threshold for acceptable speech was and I think it would just reinforce an opinion that the courts don't really understand trans lives are not there to protect chance people Harry Miller is appealing the ruling that the police guidance is lawful to the u.k. Supreme Court the investigation of non-crime hate incidents faces another legal challenge. Following the ruling the college of policing said that while it didn't always get things right the main focus of its guidelines for dealing with hate crime was always to protect people from harm home editor Mark Easton considers the political and social context in which this judgment has been delivered and the implications for the police trans gender politics is proving a progressive mine field cutting across the liberal consensus dividing the feminist movement angering lesbian and gay activists and sparking furious debates within left of center politics Labor leadership candidates Rebecca long Bailey and Lisa Nandy of cold for those with trans phobic views to be expelled from the party as a kiss dhamma and Emily Thornberry have not done so yet by law employers are legally bound not to discriminate on the grounds of gender reassignment but some have faced a backlash from women employees who females reassigned as females will access their Safe Spaces government proposals to allow people to self identify the gender of their choice have been kicked into the long grass small wonder that the police a feeling their way and how to approach this hostile environment particularly online policing social media has become a huge part of forces workload in the last year in England and Wales there were 206000 offenses of malicious communication a violent crime that seen a 19 percent increase in just 12 months texts messages on whatsapp posts on Twitter and Facebook these are now potential crime scenes requiring police investigation While some argue this can be interference in matters which should not be criminal private documents or simply free speech the psychological impact of online comments can be deeply harmful and even life changing some of it is certainly against the law the issue of trans phobia is a new and highly disputed area that Chief Constables and the courts are going to have to navigate with great care. Boris Johnson's new cabinet has held its 1st meeting since those days reshuffle which was overshadowed by the shock resignation of the chancellor Sajid Javid as he gathered his ministers together Mr Johnson congratulated those who'd survived the changes and those who'd been promoted while them to deliver on what he called the people's priorities at the Prime Minister's side was Mr Javid success so richly soon he's been elevated to one of the most powerful positions in government after just 5 years as an m.p. Our political correspondent there nothing has been following developments Ok Well good morning everybody good morning everybody it's great to see you all here and congratulations to all to you warm achieving your or indeed retaining the great offices of state that you that you own that is no mean feat and it's no mean feat said the prime minister to have a seat at the Cabinet table Boris Johnson rewarded loyalty in yesterday's reshuffle and now with a tight grip on his top team was able to elicit this response when he asked them to recall key manifesto commitments at the start of the meeting we're going to tackle waiting lists in our n.h.s. And how many hospitals are we going to bill you also how many more police officers are we recruiting was that's right how many nurses Wallace we recruited $50000.00 Exactly one year more buses. Would have. Downing Street said the cabinet agreed to implement a points based immigration system that wouldn't discriminate between countries and which would come into operation on January the 1st next year by stunts and told his ministers the government had to get on with the agenda of uniting and levelling up how to pay for all the promises will be top on the list of priorities for the new chancellor or she soon as he reminded his colleagues that they must each find savings of 5 percent in their departments number 10 has now extended its reach into the Treasury with a new combined team of advisors the change that prompted Sajid Javid to resign it will be at the next budget that the impact of this new dynamic on economic policy becomes apparent but today Downing Street couldn't confirm that the new chancellor has big day in the spotlight would definitely be going ahead as planned on the 11th of March saying only that preparations are continuing apace. Health officials have contacted more than 200 people who took part in a conference in London after it emerged one of their fellow attendees was later diagnosed with Corona virus the person who's not been identified was at the u.k. Bus summit last week 2 M.P.'s who were also at the conference said they were well but canceling public engagements as a precaution health correspondent Fergus wash has the latest Public Health England has advised those who attended the u.k. Bus summit that no action is needed if they feel well but if they develop symptoms such as a fever or cough they should stay indoors avoid contact with others and call n.h.s. 111 but 2 Labor M.P.'s who attended have cancelled all public engagements as a precaution until the 20th of February in contrast with the buses minister Lady Vere who spoke at the event who is following the official advice to date nearly 3000 people in the u.k. Have been tested for the new coronavirus with only 9 being positive Jennifer Rone a cell biologist at University College London says it's important people here aren't scared about Corona virus it is human nature to fear contagion and it is a sensible thing that and been coded into our d.n.a. But at the same time at the mo We only have these 9 confirmed cases they're being very well contained and I don't think people need to panic we don't panic about another virus flu but for a small minority it can be deadly last winter more than 3000 people mostly over 65 were admitted to intensive care in the u.k. As a result of flu and in England alone deaths from flu complications average $17000.00 per year. The largest single outbreak of the corona virus outside China is on the cruise ship currently being held in quarantine in the Japanese port of Yokohama so far $218.00 cases of coded 19 as the disease it causes is called have been confirmed on board the giant Diamond Princess Japan's government has allowed a small number of passengers to leave the ship but there's growing disquiet at the way it's managing the outbreak how Thanks bird say a ship is completely inappropriate to quarantine so many people with what appears to be a highly contagious virus on board from Yokohama Wingfield Hayes reports for the 3700 people stuck on board the Diamond Princess there was some good news today no new infections have been found on the ship in the last 24 hours the Japanese government is also finally letting some of the most frail passengers get off this afternoon 11 people all over the age of 80 were driven away in a bus to continue their quarantine elsewhere more elderly passengers may follow but for everyone else the waiting continues in their cabin fillin gay quarter from Florida are in good spirits but they told me they are extremely frustrated that the Japanese government is taking so long to test everybody we absolutely should have been tested cast results back. Tast immediately and were clear should have done all that's what they. Were in the stack of Russia. China. Doesn't that. Aspect the Us public health experts agree they say the cramped conditions on board the huge ship could be allowing the virus to continue spreading but Tokyo is about to host the Summer Olympic Games and Japan is determined the virus will not be allowed to get loose on shore that may already be too late last night Japan recorded its 1st death from the code 900 virus and 9 new infections including a Tokyo taxi driver all with no connection either to the Diamond Princess or to travelers from China. Health officials are urging people to have the m.m.r. Vaccine after cases of mumps in England reached their highest level for a decade more than 5000 people developed the viral lesson in 20194 times the number of the year before the rise in cases is mainly being seen in outbreaks in universities and colleges and Public Health England has put the increase down to people not receiving the vaccine as children when it was incorrectly linked to autism Health Correspondent Catherine Burns reports for David o. What the 1st sign of mumps was a lump on his neck it soon spread his face became so swollen he was unrecognizable it's affected his breathing and he says the pain was excruciating just when he thought he was getting better he developed a complication swollen testicles I just felt like I had this summer to kick me in the polls and that sort of like pain in Upton and on my right side it just swelled up like of a car. It was a really painful mumps cases in England are at the highest level for a decade they've also risen in Wales and Scotland but dropped in Northern Ireland most people get better without treatments but it can sometimes lead to serious complications including meningitis deafness and rarely male infertility it's largely preventable with the m.m.r. Vaccine babies have the 1st dose just after they turn one it gives between 61 and 91 percent protection a 2nd job before they start school boost that level to about 95 percent but in 1998 Dr Andrew Wakefield wrongly linked to the vaccine with autism his claims have been totally discredited but now outbreaks in universities are thought to be the result of some students missing out on immunization joining the Wakefield contriver say Dr Vanessa labor of Public Health England is urging people to make. They're fully protected if you're not sure of how to doze a vaccine call your g.p. And get caught up it's free on the n.h.s. There is no upper age limits and everyone can get their Tuto says currently 86 percent of children in England have had both doses that is well below the 95 percent target the chief herd immunity which stops illnesses spreading for. Experts are warning that heavy rain and strong winds forecast for this weekend could cause greater damage than that inflicted by storm Keera last week Storm Dennis is expected to batter large areas of the u.k. And cause flooding in some places already solving from last weekend's downpours and melting snow our correspondent Danny Savidge has been to a village in West Yorkshire where people are bracing themselves for the worst. In my them in the steep sided deep valley of Calderdale they're still clearing up from Storm Kira last weekend it's filthy work engineers are also shoring up the partially built new flood defenses here John bags of ballast are being used to plug gaps and make flood walls higher there's huge concern that storm Dennis will overwhelm this village again Graham Woodward has lived here for more than 30 years it's terrifying because you see the effect this happens to 3rd 3rd time in 8 years it could be the 4th time. This impasse in the communities massive business her dresses this in prison all these places where really the billing for months is going to happen again and again a skit full of ruined furniture and food stands outside the blue teapot cafe the owner Lisa Thwaites is busy getting ready for potentially the 2nd flood in a week people are really frightened tapes are saying about all the stuff donated but actual a official again was well so they kind of all speaking to each other and saying how we can help and get things out of the village across the north big rivers like the issues in New York are already very high if that is the starting point before a rainstorm with an warning attached that it's realistic to expect problems Adrian Gill is from the Environment Agency Unfortunately if we see some repeat totals we saw last weekend in some of our more sensitive catchments we could see further flooding but it's very uncertain moment and we'll continue to monitor that situation flooding power cuts and travel disruption a predicted in the worst affected areas this weekend the authorities fear it may be worse than last week because the ground is already saturated. The Court of Appeal has ruled that in a strange Muslim couple who'd gone through an Islamic wedding ceremony and had 4 children cannot legally divorce because their marriage was not recognized in law and then only a ruling accepted that their religious ceremony had created a similar expectation to that of the British marriage contract but senior judges said on holding that decision would greatly diminish the value of the system of registration of marriages our correspondent John tantrums has been following the case Nazarene act argued that for 18 years she and Muhammad Shahbaz can work to all intents and purposes married there was a religious ceremony called a nikka in 1908 and they referred to each other as husband and wife they had intended to formalize their relationship with a civil ceremony so it would be recognized under English law but never did Mr act argued the faith marriage was valid in law and therefore when it broke down could be declared null and void that would have entitled her to a financial settlement which could have been hard for her partner's assets possibly more in 2018 the High Court decided in her favor but today appeal judges overturned that ruling and said there was never any legally recognized marriage the case could set a precedent for many Muslim couples living as husband or wife after only an Islamic wedding a survey 3 years ago suggested that 2 thirds of married Muslim women haven't followed up the religious ceremony with a civil marriage lawyer say the decision could mean thousands of women left without legal protection if their relationship breaks down there are no rights as a common law spouse so their only option could be to turn to a Shari'a Council to get an Islamic divorce. The Scottish conservatives have elected Jackson Carlo as their leader he'd been the interim leader since Ruth Davidson resigned last August Mr Karnaugh easily beat the only other candidate Michele Ballantine he says he wants to reshape the party ahead of next year's Scottish parliamentary elections with the aim of defeating the s.n.p. And ending their calls for a 2nd independence referendum are Scotland correspondent James Shore reports Mr Carmel was always the favorite to win this leadership race Michelle Ballantine is a relative newcomer to politics and said that she'd entered the contest only to ensure that there was a proper debate it was a convincing when Jackson Carlo took more than 3 quarters of the 6 and a half hours in votes cast and he said he was delighted with the result looking at recent elections on the Scottish Conservative Party in the u.k. Conservative Party that margin that have achieved stands very well by comparison it gives me the authority know it's a really reshaped the party reshape the team and take the fight to the s.n.p. We need to offer the people of Scotland an alternative government in 2021 and I'm determined that we will but he will have to work hard to match the record of his predecessor Ruth Davidson who was credited with reviving Tory fortunes in Scotland central to the job will be preparing for the Scottish Parliament election next year when Mr Carro will oppose the s. And P's continuing push for independence if the s.n.p. When they will characterize it as a strength and mandate for a 2nd referendum back in the 1990 s. Mr Carlos sold cars and now he will have to convince voters to buy his vision of Scotland staying part of the United Kingdom. The u.s. Justice Department has dropped its investigation into the former deputy director of the f.b.i. Andrew MacKay He was accused of lying to an internal inquiry about his contacts with journalists allegations he consistently denied Mr McCabe had also angered President Trump because of his role in the f.b.i. His inquiry into Russian links with the Trump election campaign on the currency markets Sterling is down 110th of a cent against the euro at one euro and 20 point $0.02 making a euro worth $83.00 pence against the dollar the pound is down 3 tenths of a cent to $1.30 in the city the $100.00 share index ended the day 43 points lower at 7409 and on more Street the Dow Jones closed down 25 points at 29398. Tesco has been found to have unlawfully reduced competition by preventing rivals from opening stores near its stores the competition in markets or farty said the supermarket chain applied pressure on its landlords not to rent nearby sites to competitors the regulator said it couldn't find Tesco under current rules the retailer said only a very small number of its land agreements included restrictive clauses and has agreed to avoid them in future. Smoke from wildfires may have a long term health effect according to research carried out in the u.s. On juvenile monkeys there are also indications that the animals passed the defect on to their offspring the findings were revealed at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Seattle from where our science correspondent Punjab gauche reports the analysis is based on a study of rhesus monkeys kept at the University of California's outdoor National Primate Center in 2008 the 4000 or so animals located there were exposed to smoke from a wildfire 200 miles away researchers took blood samples and tested their lung function over the next 12 years they discovered that the juvenile monkeys had stiffened lungs and we Crimmins systems unlike those who weren't exposed to smoke not only did these symptoms persist for the duration of the study but were passed down to the next generation and transferred to the offspring of female monkeys The findings have prompted an investigation into the impact of wildfires on the health of children in the area by looking through their medical records results particularly pertinent given the recent spate of wildfires in Australia California and Brazil such Foz are likely to become more common as a result of dry conditions in many parts of the world predicted by climate change. The current dominance of messaging apps appears to have reduced the majority of remounted correspondents to a series of heart shaped m o t's but a new exhibition at the National Archives in Q The 1st of its kind for the home of state documents is offering physics has a chance to glimpse more sophisticated expressions of love dating back across 500 years that is on display include a treasonous missive to a queen and the poetry of a Prime Minister arts correspondent David Sellitto has been reading more. I only wish that I was going away with you just you and I to eat and sleep and make love together amongst the often dry and dusty accounts of dull meetings and official correspondence there are here in the National Archives pockets of passion was. A weapon the reason this letter has been filed is far from romantic It's a letter between 2 men at a time when homosexuality was illegal the letter that we actually have was found in a raid in 1934 on the Caravan Club Vicki Glick of ski broad of the National Archives several He was in the club was arrested by police but he had this love letter on him t. His darling north and that's why we have it today because it's ended up in police files typed up as criminal evidence others are buried in collections of official papers the Labor prime minister Ramsey McDonald had a long and passionate correspondence with the poet Lady Margaret sackful tell me all about you your body your soul your heart do you want to kiss me do you want to come into the jungle these letters were only discovered long after their deaths. And another set of letters was found tucked in the service records of a soldier William Crawford they were from his sweetheart Betty you won't half octal of me when you come over again well we'll have to make up for lost time writes the living get this Hattie these words part of a file that recorded his death soon after this letter was written. The. Time now for a look at the 1st editions of the morning papers weather bomb blasts Britain is that line on the front of the Daily Express which looks ahead to the arrival of Storm Dennis the I we can down to suppose it's a flash flood menace with heavy downpours and 80 mile an hour winds while the Daily Mail warns of possible mayhem in parts of Yorkshire where the ground is already saturated according to The Daily Telegraph Boris Johnson is considering ripping up the fiscal rules set out by his former chancellor Sajid Javid to boost the economy the paper says Number 10 has signalled the spending rules in the Conservatives election manifesto could be loosened to fund a range of tax cuts the Guardian reports on the success of the pilot scheme set up by Darren police to reduce reoffending rates criminals arrested on suspicion of assault and burglary and avoid prosecution providing they sign up to a rehabilitation program for its use such as substance abuse headlines again the reigning Premier League champions Manchester City have been banned from European competition for the next 2 seasons after being found by u.a.e. For to have committed serious breaches of its financial fair play regulations it appears Emily Thornberry has failed to secure enough support to go through to the final round of the Labor leadership contest the High Court has ruled that Humberside Police unlawfully interfered with the right to freedom of expression after they questioned a man about his allegedly trance phobic tweet. B.b.c. Nice. And tonight's news read it was looked at no time for the weather now I'm looking ahead to the weekend here's a MacMiller morning there good morning and Storm Dennis is the main feature of the weekend of weather before we get to more about what we can expect from that's a quick look back at what Friday had to offer London was the warm spot 12.7 degrees Celsius or the day started in locked last column at minus 9 point one Braemar had 19 millimeters of rain in the 24 hours up to 6 pm and the east morning in Kent was the Sunnies place in the same period was 6.3 hours of blue sky so Storm Dennis a rapidly deepening area of low pressure named by the Met Office to raise awareness for impacts will be sending its wind and rain across the British Isles during the weekend in terms of wind it will be windy everywhere will see some gales severe gales in one gust of 50 to 60 miles per hour southern and western coast seeing some gusts around 70 miles per hour and even by the end of Sunday whilst across southern parts of the u.k. The wind may well be easing in Scotland will still see some gusts possibly nearing 70 miles an hour so there will be disruption because of the wind but it's not just wind it's rain too heavy even Terentia will flooding rain in places Met Office ambers for warnings for rain covering parts of southern England Wales northern England and southern Scotland Well it's running combined with snow melt so flooding is likely in some of these areas some spots may receive more than a month's worth of rain and so yes it is going to be a problem again for some places so those are the hints of the warnings find out more online because there are plenty of Met Office warnings out there large waves hitting some of the coastlines as well and those are the weather will experience well Saturday rain spreading east across all parts stunning heavy and persistent through northern and western England and Wales clearing the showers in Northern Ireland overnight and into Sunday for Scotland Northern Ireland it will be showers but really blustery showers health under winter and hills in Scotland it turns colder for a little while further spells. Heavy tarantula running with school winds going through Saturday night into Sunday clearing the southeast on Sunday evening behind it will brighten up for some places but there will be further shows the weekend starts mild it ends colder next week it will take a while to get calm the forecast but to be generous. Thanks very much indeed now our book of the week Dr Adam rather Fred reads the final extract from his new book How to argue with a racist today here examines the controversial subject of intelligence. Here are some facts there's between 1.2 and 1.4 kilograms of meaty tissue inside your skull which means that you have a large brain brains are part of our bodies and our bodies evolved under the authority of natural selection we know very well that some of the physical form of human beings has adapted to suit the different environments that our ancestors spent time in pigmentation diets resistance to disease these are all things that have crafted our bodies so that we would survive given that brains are part of our bodies could it not also be true that the very real different cognitive abilities that different humans display are also a result of molding by living in specific areas with specific ancestries the inheritance of intelligence is probably the most controversial topic in the whole of science and when it's combined with a study of population differences of evolution and race there we have the prospect of a perfect storm. Controversy is often stoked by racist comments by public figures none more so than when they have the veneer of scientific credibility James Watson co-discoverer of the double helix structure of d.n.a. And champion of the Human Genome Project repeatedly made racist comments for many years both in public and private in 2007 he said he was inherently gloomy about the prospects of Africa on the grounds that all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours whereas all the testing says not really on one of the 3 occasions I met him he told me that I was going to be Ok in genetics as quote Indians are hard working though unimaginative my view was and is that we should be capable of recognizing and celebrating great scientific achievements while similar Taney Asli condemning bigotry even when they occur in the same individual James Watson was a brilliant scientist and a racist in 2018 he doubled down and said quote There's a difference on the average between blacks and whites on i.q. Tests I would say the difference is it's genetic. Was he writes these are treacherous waters cognitive abilities are not evenly distributed among people however it's assessed some people are more intelligent than others the most frequently cited and best known assessment is of course i.q. The intelligence quotient which includes tests of reasoning knowledge mental processing speed and spatial awareness common arguments against i.q. Include the notion that the tests are culturally biased or that they lack appreciation of practical intelligence or creativity another argument dispels i.q. Merely as a score which measures how good someone is at i.q. Tests well 100 meter sprint only tests how quickly you can run a 100 meters these criticisms are all true to a certain degree but they aren't secret revelations psychologists are acutely aware of these limitations and modern tests are designed accordingly though not perfectly i.q. Tests are culturally biased but that doesn't mean the data generated is invalid the value of i.q. For science is undeniable because it has been studied so much it is worth studying too as i.q. Correlates with other life outcomes people who score well in i.q. Tests tend on average to live longer get better grades in school are more successful at work and have a higher income. When it comes to some of the metrics of cognitive differences between the so-called races the figures are stark the number of science Nobel Prizes won by Jewish people is currently 144 the number one by black people is 0 as in sports performance at the extreme ends of achievement is not necessarily reflective of the population from where the winners came but the most up to date studies suggest that some countries in sub-Saharan Africa a likely to score lower on average than u.k. I.q. Standards though it should be stated that these results are not universally accepted there is little evidence however to suggest that the foundation of these differences is genetic instead environmental factors including health nutrition and education are a much better fit for explaining observed discrepancies let's set aside the crippling difficulties in describing populations as races black is not a term that usefully describes the genomic or geographic variation seen in black people Jewishness is a different type of ethnic and cultural grouping and has an unusual history due to millennia of persecution multiple diasporas and forced migrations around Europe and beyond. Around a 3rd of Jews are Ashkenazi which is the group most likely to be associated with success in 2 actual pursuits and it makes up the largest proportion of American Jews there are around $11000000.00 Ashkenazi Jews alive today but their history is far from clear Ashkenazi emerged in Central Europe in the Middle Ages migrations from the Middle East and into central Europe seem to play a significant role in the development of Ashkenazi as a distinct cultural group within Judaism especially movement into southern Germany Italy and France these centers of Jewish populations would form the basis for the majority of the 6000000 Jews systematically murdered during the Holocaust following that genocide Ashkenazis migrated to many countries including the USA and Israel where they make up around heart of the Jewish population part of this unusual history includes practices and restrictions placed on Jews by those in power that focused large parts of their professional culture on business and commerce that combined with a presumed relatively high degree of marriage within their community forms the basis of attempts to explain the observed intellectual success of Ashkenazi Jews the general argument suggests that there's been selection for genes associated with cognitive ability and that those genes have been enraged as a result of this unusual history and that this genetic selection accounts for their relative success as a result it is argued there is a genetic predisposition not only for great success at the extremes of intellectual ability as shown by the disproportionately high numbers of Nobel laureates chess masters leading violinists and mathematicians but also more generally according to many studies Jews score significantly higher in i.q. Tests. Many ideas have been made that attempt to biology eyes these successes some have suggested that the increased incidence of certain diseases in Jewish populations such as Tay-Sachs or gauchos disease are the price of increased intellectual ability carrying a single gene for one of these diseases might confer some increased cognitive function without suffering any medical problems so the idea goes indeed we know this happens in other diseases such as sickle cell anemia However a far better and simpler explanation is that these diseases are a result of small populations and marriages within families others have suggested that Jewish history has fermented intellectual and commercial success but this argument is riven with anti semitic tropes that are not historically accurate money lending is a common stereotype not least because of Shakespeare's Shylock in fact money lending was a trade that was extremely limited in time and space within Jewish culture in Europe and by the end of the 15th century it had largely vanished from Jewish populations the evidence for selection of genes for intellect in Jews is weak at best is it not scientifically simpler to suggest that a culture that cherishes scholarship is more likely to produce scholars the immense intellectual value placed on the traditions of yes she thought Talmudic scholarship began in the Middle Ages and continues to this day classical music is dominated by white people and Jews are disproportionately successful within this fear too many of the greatest violinists have been Ashkenazi the Mannion is Jack Pohlmann Yasha Heifetz Isaac Stern yet jazz has been historically dominated by black musicians is there something about jazz that is so inherently different from orchestral music that it must be explained by biological difference. No and sensible people don't make this argument but there is a common myth that black people have innate musical abilities natural rhythms so the stereotype goes this popular assertion of innate talent meaning that it's in coded in d.n.a. Falls at the slightest hurdle jazz like hip hop is a musical genre that emerged at least in part as a revolutionary subculture in defiance of the prevailing white American musical styles of the day both became enormously popular and went through transitions into mainstream culture though both were initially feared and prosecuted as dangerous by the authorities at their inception it would be incredibly easy to show a profoundly strong correlation between leading hip hop artists and pigmentation jeans hip hop remains overwhelmingly dominated by black artists though Eminem is quite good we could show a strong correlation between hip hop success and being African-American are we to believe that somehow the genetically encoded attitude to musical talent extends only to styles that black people excel at rather than the musical styles in which they're absent such as classical No because the associations between musical aptitude and ethnicity are genetically unlinked and the population differences in musical styles can only be a cultural phenomenon all human behavior is a heady mix of genes and culture of biology and history not enough is known about genetics or cognitive abilities to make definitive statements about evolutionary selection for genes that enhance the most sophisticated and elegant expressions of humankind. Wave after wave of grim anti semitism is becoming more common in public desecration of Jewish graves and Swastika graffiti have been reported in 2019 all around Europe including in the u.k. An evolutionary basis to Jewish intellectual success only serves to fuel the systematic and historical identification of Jews as separate as different and powerful and this can and has been used as a route to differentiating a people as an enemy genetic variation in people does not tally with the folk descriptions of race populations countries and continents do vary enormously in average i.q. Scores but a genetic explanation struggles to account for these differences intelligence is heritable but we have a poor understanding of the genetics that underlies cognitive performance these are not liberal sensibilities they are merely what the data says when scientific scrutiny is applied I've been accused many times of misrepresenting real science because of political correctness or because I'm mixed race I believe I'm honest and the my motivations are in the service of science but nobody's perfect it is also important to recognize that while the data should be neutral in principle it almost never is as long as humans design and perform experiments science is subject to being caught it with prejudice explicit or unconscious science should be pure and straightforward but people are not. Race is real because we perceive it racism is real because we enacted neither race nor racism has a foundation in science it is our duty to contest the warping of scientific research especially if it's being used to justify prejudice if you are a racist then you're asking for a fight but science is my ally not yours and your fight is not just with me but with reality. How to argue with a racist was written and read by Adam rather it was abridged by waters and the author and produced by the waters company for b.b.c. Radio 4. This is speed received radio form now here's the shipping forecast issued by the Met Office on behalf of the matter time and Coast Guard agency double 015 on Saturday the 15th of February. There are warnings of Gale's in all areas except Trafalgar. The general synopsis said wanted to double 0 low 650 miles west of Seoul 958 expected 130 miles west of Bailey 920 by wanted to double on Saturday. They are forecast for the next 24 hours Viking northward Sierra south westerly 6 to Gale 8 to backing south easterly 5 or 6 then increasing Sevenoaks severe gale 9 later rain or showers moderate or good occasionally paw South Sea or forties Cromarty 4th time dog or fish or southerly or south westerly 45 increasing 6 to Gale 8 Ok JLI severe gale 9 later rain or shine moderate all good Ok surely pour German bite Humber Thames door white south or southwest 5 or 6 increasing 7 to severe gale 9 rain at times moderate all good occasionally pour. Portland to Plymouth Northwest Biscay southerly or south westerly 4 to 6 increasing 7 to severe gale 9 rain at times good becoming moderate or poor all. Southeast Biscay Trafalgar variable 3 or less in Southeast Trafalgar otherwise a southwesterly 5 or 6 occasionally 7 later mainly fat moderate or Gawd Fitzroy so all southerly or south westerly 7 to severe gale 9 perhaps storm 10 later rain at times moderate or good occasionally pour later Lundy fascinator Irish Sea south or southwest 4 to 6 increasing 7 to severe gale 9 perhaps storm 10 later occasional rain Good becoming moderate or pour. Shannen roll call malam south of building Southwest latest 7 to severe gale 9 occasionally storm Tenet 1st rain then Squali wintry showers moderate all pour occasionally good in southeast. Hebrides Bailey Fair Isle Pharaoh's south westerly 6 to Gale 80 backing south easterly gale 8 to storm 10 for the time increasing violence storm 11 for the time in the West barely rained in tundra wintry Shahr as moderate or pour occasionally God in Southeast fat I will. Se Iceland south westerly 6 to go to backing easterly or south easterly gale 8 to storm 10 then veering southerly 6 to Gale 8 later rain or wintry showers moderate or pour. Now the weather reports from coastal stations for 23 double 0 Toby automatic Southwest 5 haze 3 miles 1000 Falling Slowly storm away southwest by South 57 miles 996 rising more slowly. Loic west southwest 8 showers 3 miles 994 rising with automatic South by West 39 miles NY NY 9 rising more slowly. Southwest to 12 miles a 1003 rising slowly. Lookers Southwest 313 miles a 1005 rising slowly boomer southeast by South and 19 miles a 1008 rising more slowly Bridlington Southwest 3010 now rising said the conference point automatic Southwest 5016 Falling Slowly. Jersey South by West 5 mist 5 miles a 1018 Falling Slowly channel light vessel automatic south west by south 75 miles a 1016 Falling Slowly. Silly automatic south southwest fall mist 3 miles a 1012 falling Milford Haven southwest by south 32 miles 1011 Falling Slowly. Pour south 3 missed 3 miles of 1011 Falling Slowly Valley South by West fall haze 2 miles a 1009 Falling Slowly. Valley South by West for haze 2 miles a 1009 Falling Slowly Liverpool cross b. Southwest 45 miles a 1010 Falling Slowly. Well ensure South by West fall mist for miles a 1004 falling Ronald's way west southwest to 7 miles a 1008 Falling Slowly Malin Head south fall 6 miles a 1001 falling back or hellish automatic south southwest fall 7 miles a $1005.00 falling slowly and finally here is the weather forecast for the Ensure waters of Great Britain and Northern Ireland valid for the next 4824 hours the general situation the British Isles will be affected by a strengthening south to southwesterly airflow during the next couple of days with the gales developing in all parts and storm force winds affecting some western areas. Cape Wrath to Rattray ahead including Orkney south westerly backing southerly or south easterly for a time 6 to get 8 increasing severe gale 9 for the time in North squally showers but rain for the time good occasionally pour. Rattray head to Benteke upon Tweed south or southwest for 5 increasing 6 to Gale 8 showers then rain later good occasionally moderate later better componentry 2 with the south or southwest 45 increasing 6 to Gale 8 showers then rain later good occasionally moderate later would be to Gibraltar point south thought Southwest for 5 increasing 6 to Gale 8 radar showers good location Lee pour Gibraltar point to North Foreland southerly or south westerly 4 to 6 increasing 7 to severe gale 9 later rain at times good occasionally pour. North fall into Sun Sea Bell southerly or south westerly 5 to 7 increasing 8 or severe gale 9 later rain at times moderate or good occasionally pour. Selsey build to Lyme Regis south or southwest 5 or 6 increasing 7 to severe Gill 9 rain at times moderate or good occasionally pour later. Langridge is to Land's End including the Isles of Scilly south or southwest $4.00 to $6.00 increasing 7 to severe gale 9 rain at times moderate or good occasionally pour on. Land's End to send Davids head including the Bristol Channel south or southwest 4 to 6 increasing 7 to severe gale 9 perhaps storm 10 later rain at times moderate or good occasionally pour. Send David had to read all my head including some George's Channel south or southwest 46 increasing 7 to severe gale 9 increasing storm 10 for the time rain at times moderate or good occasionally pour. Great or head to the Galloway south 4 to 6 increasing 7 to severe gale 9 then veering Southwest later rain or showers moderate all good occasionally pour later I love my south or southwest 5 or 6 increasing 7 to severe gale 9 fair than occasional rain moderate or good occasionally pour. Logfile to Carlingford long salt 4 to 6 increasing 7 to severe gale 9 rain or shine hours moderate all good occasionally paw. Gallery to Mull of Kintyre including the Firth of Clyde in North Channel southerly $45.00 increasing 6 to Gale 8 increasing severe gale 9 for a time rain or showers moderate or good occasionally pour later Mull of Kintyre to our demotion point southerly veering south westerly for a time 4 or 5 increasing 6 to Gale 8 Kasia least severe gale 9 in North radar squally showers moderate or good occasionally Paul odd to Mark in point to Cape Wrath Southwest 6 to Gale 8 to backing South 7 to severe girl 9 for the time rain then squally showers moderate all good occasionally pour and finally shuttling dials Southwest 6 to Gale 8 to backing south or south east 7 to severe gale 9 for the time showers rain for the time moderate all good occasionally Paul. And that completes the shipping bullet him. And that is the situation of the sea area is what about the general weather will tomorrow Storm Dennis will approach from the west of the u.k. Giving much of the country spells of heavy rain it'll be very windy for most of us with strong to gale force winds as you've just heard with severe gales possible in the some western areas on Sunday England and Wales will have heavy rain but the North will be brighter with some wintry showers or later this will remain very windy Monday we'll see a mixture of sunny spiles and some blustery showers so whatever you are in the u.k. Do keep safe and to keep warm but that is all from b.b.c. Radio 4 for tonight to my name is vigilance thank you so much for your company have a peaceful night. It's 1 o'clock g.m.t. Hello I'm right holds and then and this is business matters on the b.b.c. World Service in America the working day is winding down but in Asia it's the start of another one coming up on the per.

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A number of other high profile ministers have left in Boris Johnson's 1st reshuffle since the general election they include the business secretary Andrea Letson Northern Ireland secretary Julian Smith the environment secretary to reserve Villiers the housing minister estimate and the Attorney General Geoffrey Cox. A man has appeared in court in London Derry charged with the murder of the journalist they were McKee who was shot during rice in the city last April 52 year old Paul Mark entire was remanded in custody the government has announced that n.h.s. England is to hold an independent inquiry into the maternity services and east Kent hospitals University n.h.s. Foundation Trust 26 cases that the trust currently under investigation. China has revealed a large spike in number of people infected with a new coronavirus partly due to a new system of diagnosis 242 deaths were recorded yesterday along with almost 15000 new cases the number of women and girls unlawfully killed in England and Wales has risen to its highest level for 14 years Official figures show there were $241.00 female victims of murder manslaughter and infanticide in the year to last March b.b.c. News and now the shipping forecast issued by the Met Office on behalf of the maritime and Coast Guard agency to double 130 on Thursday the 13th of February there are warnings of gales in all areas except north and Syrah south of Syria Fisher and Trafalgar the general synopsis of. Low islands 903 expected Poland 100-8506 double 0 tomorrow low Fair Isle 994 losing its identity the area forecast for the next 24 hours biking cyclonic 5 to 7 becoming South 6 to go 8 later wintry showers mainly good north and south and Syrah cyclonic becoming suddenly later 4 to 6 wintry showers mainly good. Forties Cromarty 4th time dog or cyclonic Maine all these to the 5 or 6 becoming variable 4 then suddenly 6 to get A's later showers good fish or east 5 or 6 becoming variable 4 then south 5 or 6 later occasional rain good occasionally moderate German bites Humber cyclonic becoming Southwest later 5 to 7 occasionally get 8 at 1st rain then showers good occasionally poor Thames Dover white Southwest veering West 68 occasionally severe gale 9 at 1st showers mainly good Portland Plymouth Biscay West 7 to severe gale 9 decreasing 4 or 5 backing Southwest 5 to 7 later showers good Southwest 1st through a westerly backing not southwest of the 5 or 6 showers good North Fitzroy Seoul Lundy Fastnet westerly backing south westerly later 6 to get 8 occasionally severe again 9 at 1st showers rain later moderate or good I received cyclonic 5 to 7 backing South 6 to Gale 8 Slater showers rain later good occasionally moderate Shannon Northwest banking south or south west 7 to severe go 9 showers then rain good occasionally poor rock all mile in ne 5 to 7 veering southeast then veering Southwest later 7 to severe gale 9 occasionally storm 10 in Iraq will rain or showers good becoming moderate or poor 5 Hebrides Bayley fair all pharoahs cyclonic 5 to 7 becoming south or southeast 7 to severe gale 9 occasionally storm 10 later in Bailey in Pharaoh's wintry showers rain later mainly good becoming moderate or poor later in southeast Iceland Eastley 5 or 6 increasing 8 to storm 10 occasionally violent storm 11 later in West wintry showers rain or sleet later good becoming poor or very poor later in that completes the shipping bulleting. Now on radio for the young princesses Elizabeth and Margaret prepare to spend the 2nd world war on a mysterious estate in Ireland under the identities of Ellen and Mary in the secret guests unimagined historical adventure written by b. W. Black and read by Hugh sack. Mary stood up from the log said that Billy would be forced to look at her but he gave her only the briefest glance at that moment his sister reappeared with the horse Prince now under control she walked him across the paddock. It's time to change the denim Mary No it's not the little girl had next just how her sister of voided looking at Denton probably she was in love with him too it would be just like her fastening on to things that other people wanted and not caring how they felt when she took them away for herself Pike squinted up at Ellen when she sat astride Prince I was just remarking to the little one here Miss wash a grand fine horse woman you are thank you said Ellen she dismounted come a long walk to be held up and Mrs O'Hanlon will be cross Mary scowled but allowed herself to be led away Prince walking behind them with his head lowered Strafford came pounding up the meadow and into the paddock Did you see the girl he demanded we did indeed said Pike the tour of them are gone are for their dinner Strafford matter it's something between trench teeth he turned to Denton we haven't met I'm Stratford with an r. . They shook hands but Strafford was angry with himself and with the girl for losing control of the horse he was angry to with these yoke cause the older one making no attempt to curb his amusement at all that had happened while the younger one glared at nothing as if he found everything offensive it didn't seem a real scream and for the 1st half 2nd of waking c.d.f. Thought she had dreamed it but it hadn't been inside her had it come from somewhere close cutting through the darkness a child scream she shrugged her self in her dressing gown as she ran along the corridor to the girl's room Mary was sitting up in bed wiping her eyes with both her hands Celia sat down on the side of the bed and took her in her arms Hush now hotshots who right did you have a bad dream the child resisted her embrace she was annoyed with herself for screaming like that she felt her food. Frightened you said Celia there was someone in the wood and the sky was on fire it was just a dream dear and it's gone now Mary put herself free of serious arms it wasn't a dream and he still there who in his he knew would a man with the bird's face beak and glittering eyes Ellen in the other bed was lying on her side with her cheek resting on her joined hands she hates it here she said So do I It's a horrid place it won't be long said Celia just until the bombing stops she put out a hand to Mary but the child drew back go back to sleep dear it will be morning soon and everything will look different when daylight. The child lay down again turned her back and would say no more Celia tiptoed away from the beds as she was passing the window she looked out into the darkness and stopped as she claimed something moving down on the lawn she put her for a close to the glass and peered out into the night the charts right have there really been someone or something out there she went back to her own room and closed the door she took the Browning from the door eased it out Fitz hoster and put it in her pocket she stepped into the corridor and crept downstairs the back door was bolted to the key hadn't been turned in the lock she withdrew the boat slowly and carefully and stepped out into the night taking the big and key with her and turning back to lock the door with it she felt her way along by the war and came to a narrow arched gate way she drew back the bolt of the gate and stepped out under the arch and on to the lawn the moon was somewhere behind her so that the wall at a back through a sharp wedge of darkness on to the lawn where she was standing a figure stored quite still under a tree at the edge of the ward she took the Browning out of her pocket and eased off the safety catch now or you she caught you there by the tree step forward I warn you I'm armed the man took 2 steps forward into the faint Quiksilver glow of moonlight and stopped put up your hands she never expected to hear such a thing actually spoken in real life and certainly not by herself Miss Nash said the man. It was Strafford the peculiar Irishman who didn't sound Irish Thomas she felt a sorry food good thing it was night time or he would have seen her blushing for shame she put on the safety catch and ease the gun back into the pocket of her trance as she walked clear of the protective shadow out on to the lawn What are you doing here she called and might ask the same of you said Strafford he seemed not at all put out indeed she suspected he was smiling she stood peering at him trying to identify his expression Why do you out here I thought tired a cry of some kind you probably did it was a scream the little one Mary Had a nightmare she dreamed there was a man in the woods and that the sky was on fire did you see an intruder not assert. She said the man had a bird's head Well I certainly didn't see any one like that didn't see the sky on fire either Strafford had been sound asleep when the child's cry roused him he'd started up from his narrow bed shivering in the chill damp air he dressed himself in a pull over and a pair of trousers which he drew on over his pajamas put on his trench coat and took up his hat and still half in a daze made his way out into the night the air outdoors was soft and mild almost balmy the sky was clear and the moon hung low above the wood he went around by the side of the house and stepped on to the lawn walking across to the edge of the wood before turning back toward the jetting West Wing he moved back into the shadow of the trees. Then the woman had called out a challenge he'd recognize serious voice he was impressed by her Coons now when she remarked on the cold and suggested they go inside he agreed even though he didn't find it cold to tour he wondered if he might be succumbing to a touch of fever I could do it a cup of tea said Celia she led the way across the cobbles and they entered by the back door they felt along the walls for switches but there was no electricity down here below stairs Strafford managed to locate an oil lamp and lit it the bulbous glass shade springing into blossom. Put a match to half a dozen candles in a holder on the table the range had died down many hours ago there was a gas stove Strafford said one of the banners going and put on a kettle while C.D.'s laid out mugs spoons a sugar bowl and a milk jug the milk turned out to be sour but it didn't matter they would drink their tea black they sat one at each side of a corner of the enormous pine table. It's like a midnight feast at school said Celia only without the sausage rolls and the buns did you have them midnight feasts when you were a boy I went to a Quaker school said Strafford we didn't go in much for Jonathan cations of that nature who dare sounds grim not really quite a decent place all in all. A lucky my brother has both had a terrible time here thought Strafford was an opportunity to learn something about her origins and her background yet he hesitated did he want to know her at any level other than the professional. She had struck him from the start as not the kind of person he would find particularly interesting she appeared to be of that perfectly pleasant bland for riot a of well bred young Englishwoman to be met occasionally on this side of the Irish Sea usually at Hunt bowls during Dublin whole show week she took off her hat and her jacket she had a boyish look slim hipped and long legged that he hadn't registered but who yes she was attractive in many ways he had to admit. But what would happen if he were to fall for her. She would break his heart there was no doubt of that she was just the kind of girl to do it decisive and brisk he could picture the moment. Pull yourself together after sake stop the end of the world you meet someone else Celia had set an elbow on the table and propped her chin on her hand I wonder why it is the Irish hate. Us he said in some surprise the British I mean. He had an early morning feeling of lightheadedness and there was a faint burning sensation just under the skin as if his flesh were inflamed his eyes to ruthless oppression you know about all of a are devil incarnate the young woman sighed it was not that she didn't care about all the wrongs her country men had done to Ireland but what about the equally horrible things that were happening now across the Irish Sea where every night hundreds of men women and children were being slaughtered by German bones Strafford side too I'm sorry I shouldn't have mentioned. Do you hate us she said you're more like us than you like them as far as I can see Strafford was amused. But you don't know me really that's true she said in fact I've just realized I don't even know your 1st name. He told her. She said yes that's how most people react it's just that I've never known a cinch before neither of I it's spelled as to by the way saint and John Dong was strengthening making the candle light turn pale. Something that they hadn't realized was open had closed between them and they were both aware of it shutting and made autumn Night's Dream thought Strafford with a quick stab of sadness he rose carried his mug to the sink rinsed it under the tap and set it upside down on the worn draining board I don't know what they were thinking of he said your people in London to send those 2 girls here of all the places. He lifted a hand and dropped it again in a gesture of futility. Anyway they're here now and it's up to us to keep them safe. The secret guess was written by b. W. Black and read by sorry cookies sack it was abridged by never Taylor and produced by Michael Shannon the b.b.c. Northern Ireland. Now on Radio 4 it's time to unionize with Winifred Robinson Hello welcome to Radio 4 s consumer program today the banking change the could save people from being conned by criminals the organized crime gangs behind a big rise in flight hipping we hear one farmers story these are commercial coming . They're all 'd fake number plates work on think they're all people are seeing what they're getting away with quite a lot of jumping on the bandwagon trying to get back to work after the death of someone you've cared for I don't have a lot of confidence to go out my world to shonky shrunk with her and now have a cage door without paying I don't really want to go out we'll test a new online course designed to help and can you enjoy the tree pleasures of gardening even grow your own fruit and vege if you're living in a flat How do you manage to do that if you've done it email us please even yours a b.b.c. Dot co dot u.k. 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A big change is coming soon to try to stop one of the most common kinds of banking fraud the fraud where criminals ring you and con you into transferring money from your bank accounts into their from the end of March the big banks are introducing a new check that will match account names with account numbers that might have helped the Times journalist decorate can head avoid being scammed she had a call that was displayed on her mobile as from her bank a man who knew a lot about her said he was from the bank's fraud team and he Kondracke or into transferring all her money into what he said was a new safe account in her name he then talked me through he told me the silk had a cat and that enters a new recipient of our land banking and I transfer the money and has a cat and he said that he couldn't possibly of course give Miss Kitty details to access those accounts over the phone because that would compromise my security they would be computer generated now to save them within 5 minutes buy him out and then he was still on hold and then the line went dead and then the didn't come through so I phoned fame bank and this of of terribly sorry but you have not been talking to us all afternoon well at the moment there aren't any checks the name on the bank account you're paying into matches the name that you put in on the transfer page one of our listeners was brought in tested that after her daughter was scammed I decided I'd have a go at this myself and I paid for members of our family a pound each and each time they thought coding account number I made up silly names and that I paid one to Donald Duck one to the man in the moon one to the Queen I want to Mickey Mouse and they went through and they're showing up on my online banking statement as being paid to the man in the moon donald duck etc And quite frankly I couldn't believe it but we can hear more now on how this new system of matching names with account numbers will work Chris Holmes Lee is in charge of regulating bank payments he's managing director of the payment systems regulator. The way it will work is that when you're setting up a new payment say on your internet banking website when you type in those details the chaos number and also the name behind the scenes the name and they accountable then be compared and then one of 3 things will happen they'll be an exact match you typed in exactly the right name in which case the payment will go through if there's a close match it's not quite what you put in so maybe you typed in Mr and it was a doctor then the bank will then decide whether to either send that claim through or to advise you and tell you that there's a slight difference in the in the name that you put in and the one on the account the other possibility is that the name is completely different in which case you'd expect to be told that and you might actually be directed to the phone your bank talk to your bank to discuss what to do next given that that there might be an indicator that there's attempted fraud how would that happen would they send you a text or would it flush upon the screen when you're doing it so this is one of the things that the banks have been working through to make sure this works for all the different ways that you make payments so on the internet banking is probably the sort of most straightforward want to kind of think about in terms of introducing a new screen which will tell you the account number relates to this name and do you want to proceed with this payment if you're talking to your bank on the phone or in the branch that obviously do a similar thing but do it through talking to you because sometimes when they check things no pings through your phone does know you might be working on line but it will come on your mobile phone yes that typically happens when they're trying to send you a secure code or something to authorize a payment and and some banks as part of their security protections may choose to add in additional layers of security but the key sort of requirement that we placed on banks was to make sure that that checking takes place and that if there isn't that match that they then go back to the customer to check about happy to proceed I know that the biggest 6 banking groups have signed up to this new way of working with the smaller banks haven't done that yet when criminals just use those smaller banks when they're asking people to send the money into new accounts the steps that we've taken at the payment systems. Regulator is to use our powers against the 6 banks that covers around 90 percent of payments but there isn't anything stopping other banks adopting this technology and indeed a number of them that I've been talking to are bringing in this name tricking service as well and the clear ambition here is that all banks all move to introduce this one jacking service because he's a real valuable tool in the in the fight against this fraud we've talked about fraud so far but there's another group of people that this change should also help the people who make a mistake you know they just key in a wrong number and they send their money to the wrong account and then they can't get it back that happened to Christina Chu Mehta She's a student who got in touch with a 6 years when I 1st started my degree I obviously as a student was a bit short on cash so my father decided to transfer 200 pounds into my bank account to help me through a month of his online banking he put one digit wrong on the transfer and the money got lost neither bank were willing to solve the situation they kept sending us to my bank then back to his bank again if they couldn't find the money after about a year of trying to get the money back we decided to give up after a bank manager told us that he couldn't resolve either and at least it wasn't more than 200 pounds so he closed his account I know he did after that that's Christina Chichester one of our listeners Chris Helmsley that shouldn't be able to happen in future then either should it from the end of March well indeed and this name checking service is one of the things it would also help that fight against fraud but also it's just a useful service for people so I you know I've done this the thing as well where you're typing in these details and you want to make sure you get it right but people make mistakes and this name checking service will help to reduce these mystery payments which in themselves actually can really have quite a significant impact on people as your listeners just talked about will it help you outside of the u.k. Will it help you if conmen phone you up and ask you to put all your money into a new account that they say they've opened for you that's a safe account. But that account has to be abroad the process for making international payments is quite different to the standard way that you'd set up a bank payment within the u.k. But if you are making international Caymans you do need to take extra care this name checking service isn't in place and frankly if someone put you under pressure to try and make an international payment you really need to slow down take some time to think about whether this is legitimate and if in doubt find your bank and ask for their help and advice that's Chris Helmsley the managing director of the payment systems regulation in case you're wondering no one quite knows the scale of that kind of bank fraud but $84000.00 cases each year reported to action fraud that's the service that collects information for potential use by the police. Cruise lines are having to make drastic changes to Asian holidays because of coronavirus people who book cruises taking in destinations in the Far East mainly China can't go there now and they're finding the travel companies are refusing them full refunds now that's a clear breach of the package holiday regulations but at the moment a lot of companies seem to be doing it offering different destinations or dates but not all of the money back here's someone in that situation Susan Dent has got from books and book to cruise around China with a globe I was due to go in April they put together a package that included Beijing and Shanghai with hotels and some tours and it was about 6 day cruise ending up in Hong Kong aying January because of the coronavirus I got a message that the cruise would now be going from Japan 1st of all they said it's to do with the cruise company and when I said but I booked the cruise are and the holiday off you it's a package it was well that's fine but we're very very busy there's this kind of that we can do about that now we're dealing with people who are going next week and I thought well while stoned to stand that why is that my problem having done some research and taken some advice I believe that this cruise comes under the terms of the package travel regulations 2018 which says quite clearly that if this is a significant change to my booking I don't have to accept any alternative I don't have to even discuss that I can purely reject the contract and within 14 days igloo must give me a full refund they're not allowed to take anything off the value which is nearly 5 and a half 1000 pounds that Susan didn't task and since we spoke to Susan this morning the company igloo have quarter and a half off to turn our full refund was Simon cold has been looking into some of these cases he's the travel editor of The Independent Simon Susan Wright isn't she she's booked a package holiday can't go ahead as. Planned she is entitled to a full refund Yes she's quite right Fortunately the law is clear if you book a cruise holiday for a u.k. Agent or indeed the British sales operation of a cruise line and there's a significant change in the trip then you're entitled to cancel can get all your money back within 2 weeks and that doesn't matter what the cause is it might be political or mechanical 'd or as in this case medical if it's significantly altered you get a full refund of course that begs the question what counts as a significant change and it's something of a grey area legally particularly for cruises but I think it would be pretty difficult for a travel firm to argue that ending up in an unexpected country is insignificant and as soon as a change is known that travel for some of the trip should offer you a full refund it can offer an alternative for instance a Caribbean cruise but it's ultimately the customer's choice what about an alternative date will that do certainly not know I mean you book a particular trip on a particular date and if it can't go ahead as planned then the company has to refund the money and it's a really tough time for many travel agents which specialize in cruising but unfortunately for them the law is absolutely clear how that of these holiday companies and travel agents justifying what they're doing because they're telling customers who want to cancel many of them that they can't have all the money bad well Susan was mistakenly sent an email that one she'd lose money actually cancelled because to quote the email there's not be no change made that was clearly wrong and in my experience the glue is a reputable professional company which is understandably prefer prioritizing people who are traveling imminently focusing on them rather than people booked in a month or 2 and igloo stressed in a statement to me where changes are significant we will be offering a full refund in accordance with our obligations much more worrying is the number of customers of other travel firms who've told me that they typically been phone. Rather than e-mail to there's nothing in writing and warn that they have no choice but to accept the cruise company's changes now deflecting responsibility is complete misrepresentation because typically a cruise for a sign itself complete flexibility to say anything like well you're not going to Bali will take you to Bogner Regis instead and there's nothing you can do about it is that in the T.'s and C's that they can show us that they basically allowed to give themselves the right to do anything they want but luckily those terms and conditions are trumped by the package travel regulations a significant change gives you the right to a full refund so what should you do then email them put it in writing that you're exercising your rights under the regulations Yes 1st of all be patient because there's quite a lot of rolling cancellations right now for example I can book a cruise next month on Queen Elizabeth sailing from Singapore to Hong Kong Shanghai and Tokyo and unless it changes the I tin roof she probably will quite soon nobody can claim a refund if you know that a cruise has been significantly change and your being York refused your money back mention the package travel regulations and ask a travel phone to put the refusal in writing plenty of people I've spoken to who I've advised to do just that have magically been promised refunds Simon Calder thank you very much thank you you're listening to you and yours radio has consumer programs 29 minutes to one and you know yesterday we were talking about the demand for rare houseplants and how pictures on Instagram can suddenly make a particular plant really desirable houseplants are very popular now and it's partly because younger people can't afford houses with gardens they're often renting or sharing small apartments and flats the 2 young people making careers from their passion for gardening going to talks about it today here they both feel that what starts with beautiful images on Instagram can be much much richer than that as an experience he were towards is about to publish his 2nd book on gardening at the age of 21 it's called grow food for free his 1st book was a bestseller and Alice Vincent. And he's also just pushing his 2nd book about gardening is publishing a book called root rewilding a life it's a memoir and a planned history and the blurb says it's about how bringing a little bit of the outside in can help us find our feet in a world the dispensing far too fast. List what do you mean that bringing the outside in can stop the world spinning too fast Well I think people of mine and Hugh's generation we've been raised very much to expect instant gratification so we can swipe right for a date or we can order an able within minutes we can get delivery to our door in half an hour and it was all getting pretty intense you know where they are expected to answer your email straight away or expect to clamber up the career ladder and have a life that looks really good on social media and you can't rush things when you grow plants and garden that's the real beauty of it and so when I started to begin gardening and grounding myself in nature more widely I started to unlock an aspect of life that surrounds us every day that I hadn't become aware of before and I found it so calming here you've been teaching people to garden via you chips and she was only 12 what got you into gardening so I go into gardening because my parents brought me up with that they felt that it was so important to have that connection I managed to learn so many really important things and as Alice said with instant gratification that it's so key because with Godly you learn key qualities like patience and oh my You Tube channel Hugh Richard's not here at it's I didn't know you had to yeah but you know it's all this process with him yeah. So yeah I just really try and reconnect people with plants because I think there's been a bit of a disconnection and people are getting curious and especially young people they're getting that there are asking themselves questions and they're going on the Internet to find those answers and whether it's mental health or growing a bit of food plants really gives you that well you must see that because your book is about teaching people how to grow food full free. How do you do that you know how deep a for the plants the containers to come past Yeah it's a very good question basically I find that there are lots of different excuses why people don't grow fruit and one of the main ones is that it's really expensive setting up a garden and I can see this so I thought I take things to the extreme and look at how to do it without needing any money and the actual the secret it's not really a secret but it's about looking at your local community and what resources there are because it's abundant with opportunity if you know where to look in the right places and I've also found when I was experimenting doing this last year that the power of bartering and just working with other people I'm working out deals is so fun but you get so much from it and and there are things in your kitchen cupboard right now back at home which you can plant in a bit of soil and start gardening in my. Things like when you cupboard for example ginger or chickpeas droid piece of the best Actually I got an amazing crop and I served 20 droid peas and I managed to save 700 seeds for the following year so I'm going to have a forest so if anyone wants to come along and enjoy some peas they're very welcome to the not so recent of dollars let's talk about space then because you write about gardening and what a discovery it is and how wonderful it is for you spiritually how calm and you find it like meditation but where do you find the space if you're just living in a flat Well I've always been fortunate and fortunate is the operative word here that the flats I've lived in have had balconies and it was in fact the balcony that encourage me start growing things and I would grow them in like it's funny that he's talking about things me thought I'd grow them in like food tins and stuff I'd scavenged straight I don't have much money either in the city more widely a lot of my gardening inspiration and satisfaction comes from the green spaces that we are blessed with in London 47 percent of the city is green it makes it one of the greenest cities in the world we have got so many parks we've also got so many community gardens and one of the big things for me over the year that I was writing the book was getting volved with my local community garden and that was that allowed me to use things like giant forks and wheel berries and plant in ponds which just wasn't available to me and as you say in your book that yours is a generation that had to be taught about gardening unlike any other because your parents don't garden Hughes pets don't garden Hughes parents do garden isn't it like that for every generation you know that you're young you've got to carve out your career you've got to do fun stuff don't people almost always come to gardening a bit later on in life you know in your late twenty's early thirty's so lots of people have said this and there's definitely the argument he settled on you get your house you get your garden need discovered plants are I think what I'd say in response to that is that we are so squeezed in terms of the spaces. We have we our generation in cities very much suffers from property poverty and that a lot of our Like a significant portion of our take home wage goes on things like rent and so yes more than other generations also my parents did garden but there's before than you know grieve the war efforts and I feel that as a kid growing up in the ninety's people were paving over lawns decking was all the rage there was more focus on things like water features nowhere and greenhouses it just wasn't something we were brought up with when I asked the audience at the start if they had been able to grow projects in a flat and Miriam says I'm in the community allotment to knowledge she just emailed this in so the flood well as can join in and grow vegetables and share their produce here Richard I know that you do have a garden and if you don't have a garden what should you do well there's actually so many people out there especially in suburban areas who have gardens but they don't have time to look after themselves or be caught look after themselves through yeah that is what I was staying in a b. And b. Inquiries and a couple of months ago the host said I was telling her what I did and she said Oh do you want to look after my garden and it was it was a massive gun it's probably the size of 2 allotments to the ear piece yeah of course the thing is there's a lot of people who do have space but don't have time to look after it and it's about finding those people usually in the in the older age and find something that works for you both so if you have that promise yes I will give you some of some of the harvest of absolute love that you do just for the labor of have to stay with us thank you so so much both thank you that was Hugh Richards and Alice Vincent. Fly tipping on an industrial scale is replacing drug dealing is a big source of income for organized criminal gangs that's according to the environment agency people at the agency were commenting this morning on research from the b.b.c. That shows that large scale fly tipping criminals dumping. Law related to time has more than doubled in 6 years and it's costing councils millions to clear it all up fake waste companies are renting industrial units and then just leaving tonnes of rubbish there it's also a big problem for farmers with criminals dumping waste on their land he is Edward Ford he's a farmer any suspects talking about his encounter with criminal gangs we've come so close on numerous occasions week or small scale flights before this is been going on with us for years now and we actually have them call it quite early on we don't call it we shut them off they round their way the blockade we put in you know these are commercial guys they're coming. And they're all fake number plates who are kind of thing no people are seeing what they're getting away with quite a lot of jumping on the bandwagon so there's certainly a few gangs operating in this area doing it but what this what this is doing is obviously they're not paying the tax to tip it at me for free on our land effectively therefore they're saving a lot of money that Molly we believe is going into gun crime that's added food when I've been talking to man whose company specializes in clearing up illegally dumped waste is also advised the government Alistair Hilditch Brown is from Broad environmental and I asked him about the scale of this the scale of waste crime across the runs into many billions of pounds a year and the scale of it is nationwide Iran's from Scotland all the way down to Kornel and everything in between the material that's being dumped is typically material that can't be recycled that we typically get a landfill so as the farmer in Essex is quite rightly said people that are avoiding landfill tax are making it a cheap option to dump the material illegally which is costing landlords and landowners millions and millions of pounds a year because they are left responsible for it so unjust but that farmer would himself have to pay for a company like used to come in and get rid of this stuff no one would help him with those cars. No that's right the Ultimately the way the legislation is changed is that the landowner is ultimately responsible for the clearance of any waste which is being left on their site how do they go about doing this I mentioned that they sometimes you know will hire all find an industrial unit and just leave a load of stuff in there but I mean how are they getting the vans and the machinery you would need to do is very simple the barrier to entry into into the waste industry is very very low so criminal activity is rife across the industry people are saying this is a quick way to make money lending a lorry full of waste and disposing of that in the cheapest possible way there are legislation in place to to look at the correct way to dispose of your waste but it is very expensive so people are looking at cheaper ways in order to to dispose of waste material so you think that legitimate companies are hiring in these criminals knowing really that what they're being asked to pay means that this can't possibly be lawful not always the case I think the old saying is if it's too good to be true it probably is so if the cost to dispose of of waste is clearly listed within various different government websites and how much it cost to dispose of a ton of waste if somebody is coming to a business with all the right documentation but your 3040 percent cheaper than the traditional market rate I would carry it further to diligence to make sure that it is going to the right place and following the cittie of care properly do you really think this is replacing drug dealing as a serious income stream for career criminals I think that as I said the barrier to entry into the waste market is very very low therefore it has attracted a lot of criminal activity it's a very very easy to generate large volumes of cash as we've seen through some of the the science that we've cleared ourselves up and down the country are one of the largest in Warrington which was 60. 1000 tonnes worth of belled waste which cost the landowner nearly $10000000.00 pounds what sort of stuff are you seeing dumped and have you had to handle yourselves we sort through all the material on site regardless of what it is it could be biomass which she said chipped wood it could be disposable nappies could be plastics paper cardboard basically everything that a waste transfer station should be sending the fur on wood recycling recovery or into the landfill is ultimately bailed up and either shipped abroad or looking at a cheaper alternative and dumped in warehouses using us where it's coming from waste disposal sites waste comes for We've seen sites all across the where where waste has been stored taken on a legitimate basis if somebody has the right permits to take the material and then ultimately running out of cash or just taking the money and and and running away we saw that with Bradley Hill a big way so we cleared which is all over the b.b.c. News that's Allister Hilditch Brown from Broad environmental. At the start of the program we're talking about a new system coming in March where the big banks will check that account names and account numbers match when customers are transferring money between u.k. Bank accounts the idea is to help combat fraud and help people get an account number wrong and end up sending their money to the wrong person but the extra check will happen in the u.k. Only it won't help when mistakes are made sending money abroad that happened to people Skelton she transferred 7000 euros by mistake to an estate agent in New York or that she Tope that the banks and the estate agent would put that right but it didn't work out that way she told me what happened so this is 2 years ago I had to send 7000 euros I was dealing with my uncles the state and I had sent it to pay some taxes and I went on to my Lloyds bank account and went to put the details in and up popped a bank account I had this what I thought was the same name but it was actually an estate it was an estate agent and a holiday letting firm that I'd rented a villa imports plan from 5 years before so I clicked on that sent the money it said in Marbury a port which I presume is Portugal had the same bank name sent the money I realised a few days later I'd sent it to this lady spoke to her she said yes she got the money and she was very sorry she was going to send it back to me this conversation went on for a few weeks and then I soon realised that actually she wasn't going to send me the money back she obviously realised she might be able to get away with it and keep the money how did you feel when you realised that she was going to keep your money your 7000 euros It was terrifying it was really terrifying because you know I'm a teacher and has a lot of money to me and and I you know I think I'd heard about in the u.k. How if the money goes into the wrong place that's it but luckily my dad who's so keen on law issues got sort of straight on to go. Google and found a company at n n Spain who speak in your ears and they just were amazing and gave and really reassured us that even though the Spanish So legal system is very convoluted and is very long and drawn out that they would when we've just found out that that we got the money back which is brilliant news you came to us back in 2018 when this happened and you've come back to us to tell us that it all worked out for you what happened about your court costs so at the moment just waiting the court took place on the 12th of January and she was found guilty of misappropriation of funds and 4 month suspended prison sentence and the next stage is to go to the enforcement court where they will decide how much we will be 0 for costs on top of the money that she already owes us do you know that your money still go to reclaim yet we have evidence of the receipts of the exact 7006 pounds that she took in the 1st place that she paid back into the courts she paid in for installments I think the last instalment she paid him was the day before her court case as she obviously realised there was nothing else she could do apart from paying us when you went to your own bank in the u.k. Where they are able to be of any help to you so the 1st thing they did was they made it very clear that they would try and help but that there was a strong possibility I think their words were that they wouldn't be able to do anything. Because it would be my mistake in the 1st place they couldn't guarantee that the money would come back to me but that they would help they sort of did but I'll be honest you know it was it was a sort of token they phoned her bank but at the end of the day they needed her permission to say yes will transfer the money back and without power there was nothing they could do and as soon as they raise. Lies that she was going to do that they just washed their hands of it and said this We're not doing anything else it's not really rotten thing to happen to anybody but I'm guessing that a lot of people would have given up you know it's such a daunting thing why didn't you just give up and let it get away with it I think it was out of principle really I was so angry that somebody could be so unfair and so dishonest that I just thought I've got to do it and I was almost prepared to say well you know I'm going to spend up to 7000 pounds just even if I don't get a penny back if it costs me that much just to get it back because I wouldn't I would never even consider if if somebody accidently gave me money of keeping the thought is just so dishonest What would you say you've learned from it I am so much more careful where the money is Riddick we're transferring money now I would never do a direct bank transfer I use Pay Pal or anything that protects me or if I really do have to do a bank transfer I will always send a pound make sure that pound is there and it's safe and it's in the right place and then I'll send the rest I'd never ever send 7000 euros abroad again that was one of our listeners paper Skelton. Unpaid Kara's who end up looking after relatives for many years can really struggle to get back into the work place from to day care is trying to do that can get a free online training program it's been funded by the Department of Health and Social Care and developed by the charity care is u.k. And it's live now on their website we'll be talking to Kara's u.k. About how it works just a minute but 1st let's hear from one of our listeners who knows what it's like to try to pick up the threads after caring for someone for years Tina up some got in touch with us in spring 2018 after her mamma died and she told us how she felt then I mean turmoil My how everything is just. Freefall now because I don't know what direction to take and I don't have the confidence now that I had before I had masses of confidence when dealing with people on her behalf because it was for her but now after 2 and a half years of being housebound I don't have a lot of confidence to go out my world to shonky shrunk with her and now the cage door with open I don't really want to go out all I can see as a 59 year old woman with no job no pension no training nothing what do I do for the next 7 years until I'm allowed to retire how can I retrain for something if I've got no income to pay for training I just have no direction. When I look for jobs if lots of carries jobs I don't want to do that anymore That was Tina absent speaking to us in 28 team we decided to ask Tina to test this new online training program for people in her situation she's in our Ipswich studio a modern star is from the charity care is u.k. She's joining us from London Madame cop briefly describe for us if you will this online training program how it's meant to work it's designed to help really build carers confidence and so Tina story was remarkable that's the experience of so many carers who although they do develop really unique skills in their caring role don't feel that way they feel as if their own skills have been stripped away from them and the kind of isolation loss of confidence that Tina describes is really common so learning for living is designed to boost confidence and to help carers recognise and validate the skills that they've gained through their care and well and to think about where they can take them and what they can do next as I was a series of questions is it that you answer online Yeah it's an interactive program each module there are 5 modules in the program is introduced by a carer who talks about the topic for that particular piece of learning and it then takes you through a series of questions a series of exercises. Moments of reflection things to think about and tests that with small quizzes but it's very gently leading you from understanding what learning in communicating is all about to Ok let's now apply this to you and let's think about you in your situation Tina you've been wanting to get back into the workplace place now for nearly 2 years have you had any success. Oh sorry to know I'm not hearing you just play with us a 2nd just try again hello that's better so I know you could hear me have you had any success No unfortunately I haven't What have you tried obviously for lots of jobs online used to their own places to go any movies ago you could go knock on a door and you can't do that and you will mostly be implying 3 jobs online and I've tweaked my c.v. a And tried to make it more relevant to each position I'm applying for one of the things that I'm struggling with is actually getting an interview whether that's down to my c.v. Or whether it's because of my age and the employees see this caring gap as a gap as opposed to something I did where I was learning more and it was a job we sent you this online course it only went live today on the carries you say what u.k. Web site but you had a preview of it what did you did it's what did you think. First of all to be fair I couldn't complete it I did it on an Android tablet and it was a big get it shake your tablet you think it might well and so I only actually got as far as halfway through module 5 so I can only base it on the bits that I did. Did you enjoy it. Enjoy it. You know especially always how I hated it on a bit of a fidget saw struggle to sit still for time I found it to me it paid to be more current carriers x. Carers and people like myself weren't really introduced into quite like in the I think it's module 4 and then the beginning of module 5 you're introduced to a couple more carers who are looking. To the planning for change module but none of the examples were really relevant to our employed x. Carers team and you think it would have been more useful to you when we 1st spoke to you in the spring of 2018 when you really were without a doubt Ok. Modern style than from Kara's you can what would you say to what Tina said you know she did it she didn't particularly enjoy it didn't it may feel rather than to her Tina's experience over the past couple of years obviously been really difficult and I would I would imagine that reconnecting for Tina is going to be a slightly more complex process involving a group maybe of people who can support help and help her share her experience what you think you know she's wondering is it her c.v. What would you say would she do well one of the whole points with learning for a living is is helping a carer to understand that instead of that caring space on the c.v. That space can be filled with I cared for my mother for 5 years and these are the skills that I gained in this period and being able to categorise categorize those skills in a way that would make sense to an employer and I think that that it's the confidence to be able to do that to see the care in period not as a deficit on the c.v. But as a positive and to target slant that tool's the employer and towards the job description Tina you were really devastated by the loss of your mum that is perfectly natural work aside Has much changed since we last spoke. I would say things have improved slowly I took your advice and I joined a support group which was amazing and makes such a difference I don't even remember saying that to you yet you think oh I'm glad it really did make a difference I've coped a lot better with the grief since thing is that because you realize that what was happening to you was a natural process it wasn't just you it's partly that and it's partly that when you go to support group everybody has a different viewpoint on things and we have a subject and a discussion around it and you get some very valuable insights because you get trapped in a mindset and someone else comes along and says Well actually I don't see it like that so every every group meeting I took something away to think about and it's made a lot of difference and it got you out of the cage I mean I was think listening back to those interviews with you that really should be a writer or a poet I'm going with fresh yourself so a so wonderful you know that you say your world shrank along with your mothers and then when the cage door was open you found you didn't want to get to go out that is so moving but it got you out it did I've gone back to the dimension cafe I've done some more volunteering shifts there so that's good. I still haven't got a job but I keep myself busy one of the things I have had. Which is going to sound or to know I'm going to have to rupture so it's very very quickly because I've had my hair cut you wouldn't believe. Sometimes a little bit is really important and you know up some Thanks so much for coming on a model and Star thank you both That's it for today thank you for listening. You and yours was protected by Winifred Robinson and it was produced by Tara Holmes coming up Sarah Montague brings us the world one But 1st no doubt urging us to batten down the hatches ahead of the weekend is staff and they are at the Weather Center How's it looking Steph thanks John indeed is going to be looking very stormy as we head on into the weekend another named storm on its way but in the short term is talking quite as wild with the overnight low pressure continue to clear away eastward today taking the heavy showers with it so conditions slowly improving over the next few hours along with the strong winds and gales to be affecting the south west of England the Channel tonight brief ridge of high pressure builds into being a cold night frost and fog and then tomorrow starts fine before wet and windy weather sweeps across the country as the day wears on this afternoon for England and Wales most of the heavy showers will clear away from southeast in the next hour or so and the rain will unhealed Sleeps which should also we eat away from northeast England too and that leaves many places drive variable clouds and sunny spells by the odd shower the strong winds also easing down across southern Britain and we'll see temperatures range from $8.00 to $10.00 degrees Scotland in Northern Ireland will see the sleet and snow across southern eastern Scotland clearing away in the next few hours and then many places will be dry although rather cloudy but the best the brightest will be across northern and west now some parts of Northern Ireland but it will be chilly temperatures $47.00 degrees tonight like I mention is going to be quite cold light winds clear spells leading to a Touch of Frost and patchy fog ice will also be a hazard in areas that saw rain or showers through the day tomorrow starts colder mainly dry bright with some sunshine before wet and windy weather right across the west and spreads across the country through the day but not reaching eastern England until after dark then into the weekend conditions deteriorate even more so expect the arrival of Storm Dennis this is forecast to bring widespread Gale severe in places also spells a very heavy rain particular in the high ground of southern and western Britain through got a numerous snow for why the warnings in force for Storm Dennis had online to check out all the latest details back to you John. Thanks to stop the house there at the Weather Center on f.m. On longwave on digital radio and b.b.c. Sounds this is Radio 4. Hello and welcome to the world at one with me Sarah Montague mom thought it was a big deal when she watched the 1st Asians move into Coronation Street while now she's watched the 1st Asians move into Downing Street. Sajid Javid only moved in 8 months ago but now he's moving out he has quit as chancellor shocking Westminster and apparently derailing Boris Johnson's cabinet reshuffle will speak to an m.p. Close to Mr Javid and discuss what it means for the new government or so this lunchtime the 1st people quarantined on arrival from the epicenter of the covert 1000 virus in China are being released.

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A senior Communist Party official has been sacked in the Chinese province at the center of the corona virus outbreak where a sharp rise in deaths from the disease has been reported who Baze Health Commission said 242 people had died in a single day more than double the previous highest daily total It also reported nearly $15000.00 extra cases of infection after including those diagnosed using a new clinical method yesterday the World Health Organization said there were signs the outbreak was stabilizing in China but officials there have been accused of underreporting cases our correspondent Nick Baek reports from Hong Kong Chinese state media said the party chief Zeon Childline was being replaced by a senior official from Shanghai who's close to President Xi Jinping his deputy was also relieved of his duties there was no explanation for the moves for the past week officials have reported a consistent fall in the number of new cases of Corona virus but these latest figures from who by showed that many more people of caught the virus than previously announced and that many more a dying of it Chinese state television said the doubling overnight in the number of daily deaths could be explained for the 1st time patients who hadn't officially tested positive were part of the tally this means your thought he's a now including the diagnoses of doctors who suspect the virus is present China has been accused of suppressing the full extent of the outbreak in the past these latest figures will raise fresh questions about the true mortality rate of this virus more than 40 new cases of Corona virus have been detected on board a cruise ship docked in Japan the Diamond Princess has been in quarantine since last week Japanese officials plan to start moving some elderly passengers off the ship as our Tokyo correspondent recruit Winfield Hayes reports. The Japanese government appears to be partially backing down in the face of growing criticism for its decision to quarantine thousands of passengers on board. Giant cruise ship tied up on the dock side here and your camera starting later today some passengers will be allowed off but only if they are over 80 years old and have underlying health conditions or are staying in a cabin with no outside windows how many will be taken off the ship and where they will be moved to is not yet clear 218 passengers and crew have now been diagnosed with the new coded 900 virus 44 new cases today alone the Japanese government says it will increase the number of people being tested for the virus each day but it has rejected the advice of public health experts who say Japan should have moved to screen all 3700 passengers and crew as soon as the ship docked here last week the organizers of the Hong Kong Rugby Sevens tournament changed for early April say they will make an announcement later today local media expect the contest to be postponed until October here officials are trying to trace everyone who might have come into contact with the latest patient diagnosed with Corona virus the 9th confirmed case in Britain the woman who's being treated in hospital caught the infection in China before taking a flight to Heathrow in the past few days. The prime minister is embarking on his 1st major government reshuffle since the general election some women ministers are thought to be among those facing the sack but number 10 said the prime minister would promote a new generation of female M.P.'s The most important Cabinet jobs Chancellor foreign secretary and home secretary are unlikely to change as our Political Correspondent Chris Mason reports from Downing Street a parade of power patronage and personalities in the coming hours this reshuffle will shape the look the feel the sound of Boris Johnson's now majority government talk bordering on hype within Westminster anyway has been swirling about the shake up ever since election results day but the indications are it will be much less dramatic than some of the early could dictions the international development secretary Alex Sharma is likely to be promoted as is all of a doubt and he could replace lady Morgan as culture secretary Dunning she say they'll still be as many women in the cabinet as there are now and they'll be a drive to promote a generation of female talent at all levels of government and Marie Trevelyan's who Ella brother moaned and Gillian pleaded have in line for promotion labor is calling on the prime minister to clarify who paid for his holiday on the Caribbean island of mystique over the new year according to the register of M.P.'s interest the cost of the accommodation valued at $15000.00 pounds was covered by the businessman and Conservative Party donor and David Ross but a spokesman for Mr Ross has told the Daily Mail that he didn't pay for the stay although he had helped to arrange it Downing Street said all transparency requirements had been followed. It's emerged that the city watchdog is investigating the chief executive of Barclays Jess Daly and his links with disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein Mr Staley had previously told the bank's board he had business connections with that Steen who was convicted of sex offenses and died in prison in New York last summer more details from our business correspondent Dominic O'Connell It's hardly surprising that Joe's they really had business links to Jeffrey Epstein Mr Staley ran the private wealth division of j.p. Morgan one of America's biggest banks for several years he looked after the private investment of wealthy Americans exactly the kind of business in which Mr Epstein was a big player this morning Barclay said in an announcement to the stock exchange the Misses daily had volunteered information about their relationship to the Barclays board but that the Financial Conduct Authority and the Prudential Regulation Authority the 2 largest financial watchdogs were now looking at exactly what he said the banks of the investigation was into Mr Staley's characterize ation of his relationship with Mr Epstein and the subsequent description of that relationship to the Financial Conduct Authority Mrs Daly has been in hot water with regulators before over his pursuit of a whistleblower at the bank Barclays said he retained the full support of the board the owner of British Gas center care says the introduction of an energy bill price cap had a significant impact on its operating profits last year they fell by 30 percent to $901000000.00 pounds compared with almost 1400000000 the year before the company says it was also hit by lower natural gas prices. The government is to remove public funding for more than $5000.00 vocational qualifications because it says they are of low value the move is part of an attempt to simplify the options open to 16 to 19 year olds in England before the introduction of new t. Level or technical based qualifications next autumn has an education editor Bronwyn Jeffries this will reduce by half the number of qualifications on offer for 16 tonight. It's some courses due to lose their funding have fallen out of use others attract small numbers they include some b. Tax City and Guilds and the queues and diplomas ministers want to shift gradually to 3 main options for 16 year olds to choose from apprenticeships a levels and the new t. Levels each t. Level will be equivalent to 3 a levels and will include work based learning the 1st students will enroll on 3 new t. Levels this autumn with fewer than 2000 places available Tom Buick from the Federation of awarding bodies said care needed to be taken with pruning away qualifications before the new system is fully established a man is due to appear before magistrates in London Derry later this morning charged with the murder of Aaron McKie the 29 year old journalist was shot dead by the dissident Republican group the new Ira while observing rioting in the Creggan area of Derry last year. Parliament your thirties have been told that an extra $18600000.00 pounds is needed to repair the Elizabeth Tower which houses Big Ben it's not the 1st time the estimated cost of refurbishing the famous Westminster landmark has risen significantly as James Kelly reports Commons officials say the full extent of the wear and tear to the Elizabeth Tower has only become clear since scaffolding went up around the neo gothic structure in 2017 when the renovation team carried out the 1st ever intrusive surveys on the home of Big Ben they found us best OS in the belfry broken glass in the clock dials the extensive use of toxic lead paint and defects in previous work they also discovered bomb damage dating back to the blitz is now believed the revamp will cost nearly 80000000 pounds that's up from the 61000000 pound estimate calculated shortly after the work began the original projections suggested the project would cost between $29.45 pounds the commission responsible for maintaining the Palace of Westminster said the request for yet more funding was extremely disappointing. New study suggests that common estimates for global food waste are too low researches in the Netherlands say every person in the world is wasting on average about $500.00 calories of food a day more than twice the level previously thought scientists are calling for behavioral changes such as encouraging shoppers to switch from hoarding to buying just enough. Thank you the time is 10 past 8 the sales to be little doubt that cases of the coronavirus coated 19 in Britain are going to increase in the coming days and weeks a woman in London is now a confirmed case the 1st in the capital she had recently flown in from China on the program yesterday we heard a range of views from scientists about what's might need to happen now and what our best hope might be to limit the spread Professor Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London told us this time yesterday that we were in the early stages of a global pandemic he thought as many as 60 percent of people in the u.k. Could become infected most of them suffering only mild symptoms though if the death rate is one percent then that plainly is a terrible toll in a moment after the interview since the coronavirus emerged with the chief medical officer for England but 1st I'd been speaking to Professor John Ashton who's a former president of the faculty of Public Health and the Northwest Regional Director of Public Health care in the SARS outbreak about how the u.k. Has handled cope with 19 so far I've no reason at all to believe that was not be doing the right things technically this country's got some of the best viral exists you know people clinicians it's a referral but a concern all along here has been about communications and it's good that you're now going to be putting up the Chief Medical Officer hopefully regularly the people leave to have a trusted regular recognised face for this particularly if it goes beyond the phase of being contained as it is at the low level and becomes much more widespread should the government be more involved as the prime minister be getting ready. Briefing's we don't know whether he is or not but I mean should all that be happening behind the scenes the prime minister should be convening regular Cobra meetings and working very closely with the chief medical officer to reassure the public but also to make sure that they're on top of this you have to anticipate day to day what's happening next and there's no sense of that at the moment although I suspect it will be going on behind the scenes and it the problem is it gives the impression that we're being treated in a paternalistic way not dissimilar to what's been going on in China the risk there is that you create panic and undue concern by seeming to be rushing around when actually the wisest scientific course is to wait and see what happens. It is why I used to wait and see what happens but you have to plan for the thinkable to make sure that it doesn't because if this broadens out because quite a general infection the public critical in the management of it the public have to be included as full partners you cannot keep the public in the dark because you cannot hospitalized yourself out of this it really spreads the public are going to be central to any response so if you keep it in the dark ruler will thrive and he called you sure. It was Professor John Ashton and Professor Chris witty is the chief medical officer for England it is here in the studio morning to good morning tell us about what you're doing so I think the key thing is to understand that this depends on what happens in China broadly this goes one of 2 ways the 1st way is that China gets on top of the epidemic and I know the numbers moved today but we come back to that and that there is spill all the spillover cases around the world but those are contained and we'll have more cases as you rightly say in the u.k. That's highly likely when they even get a little bit of onward transmission in the u.k. And then we'll be able to pick up with those and then the epidemic goes away that is possible and the 2 things that may do that are the extraordinary efforts of the Chinese government and possibly a change in the seasons are those I think are worth thinking about the alternative is this is not possible to contain in China and this tends to then starts to spread probably initially quite slowly around the world and at that point in less the seasons come to our rescue then it is going to come to a situation where we have it in Europe and in the u.k. Indie horse and the possibility of the season's coming to our rescue I think we shouldn't rely on that in any way and for that reason what we've got is a basic got for at this point in time and I agree with many of the points has just been made we've basically got a strategy that depends on 4 tactical aims the 1st one is to contain go through each of these is the. The 2nd of these is to delay the 3rd of these is to do the son's in the research and the 4th is to mitigate so that we can actually breach the n.s.a. One containment we've got this case in London someone who had been in China for instance are we are you in touch with everyone who was on the plane that that person came back from China on his is not what's happening so what what happens with any case and this this is this will be no different and I'm of you know going to individual knows but in general is you take a detailed history and story from the people and you work backwards through everybody they might come in contact with Sometimes that involves things like looking at planes if that's relevant also who they've met So little know him on a plane which we assume they did then everyone on the plane will be contacted not necessarily so that one of the things about the corona virus we know from other other coronaviruses is the amount of spread around a person is relatively limited in a geographical sense so you wouldn't necessarily have to do that as you say it's just we're just we would be the seats in the person perhaps the males and that sort of thing it wouldn't necessarily be everyone on the plane yes it will depend entirely on what the particular situation is but what you're trying to do is make sure the people who actually have a significant risk of getting infected do have the are isolated early and contact an isolated early usually by self isolation and that other people in a sense or not know do not have their life interfered with completely irrationally because they are not a risk yes and then going on to the other thing that Professor Ashton was talking about is the sort of visibility of you and of the government being involved and concerned and he was particularly brought up the question of whether your briefing the prime minister what can you tell us about how involved the government is talking to bars Johnson every day what's going on behind the scenes so I have I have briefed the prime minister as have other people and there have been Cobra meetings as person who was saying. Most of them official level because it's. Well but we're the stuff we have to do at this stage and I think to go back to my 4 points about containment which we're doing the moment and delay delay is the next stage of what we need to do and that we need to a lot of planning for that because if we can put if we are going to get an outbreak here in the u.k. And this is an if not a when but if we do pushing it back in time into the summer period away from the winter pressures on the n.h.s. Give bias a bit more time to understand the virus better possibly having some seasonal advantage is a big advantage so contained then delay this clearly a lot of research we're having to do at the moment people talk about vaccines it'll be a long while in my before we have a vaccine that is ready actually to deploy but we need to get on with that antivirals antivirals what we're going to be able to do on those is look at existing drugs for example existing HIV drugs and the Chinese are already starting to do this and test where they are existing drugs work against this virus Some may some may not that's just been a big w.h.o. Meeting yesterday and the day before the went through those and they will be having a plan to test those in the u.s. Is up potentially a stronger lead than the vaccine which as you say is going to be some way off well at this stage in time the biggest thing we have to do is around the isolation and delay and trying to work out the patterns of that value but certainly trying to find drugs that will of help the most affected people I think one thing that has come across clearly and I think is worth reiterating is that a large proportion probably the great majority of people having relatively mild disease so drugs a likely only to be useful for a minority who have more severe disease even if we find them should we be changing our behavior at this stage as a nation and this goes back I suppose to poor us rations point about you briefing the prime minister and the prime minister being involved and much more in terms of local government warnings or should we just be carrying on our business well I think all the things that are going to make it more difficult to transmit this virus are good sensible things to do for transmitting every other virus remember in the u.k. You. Roughly $8000.00 people a year on an average year die of flu the things that stop flu also stop this virus the there is no current circulation of this for hours in the u.k. As far as we can tell there is clearly so circulation of flu so people should be covering their eyes when they sneeze disposing of her. But you're saying they should be doing those things and there's no change of behavior not that your yes when one of my one of my colleagues came on your program yesterday and suggested that people start kissing I thought in the week or Valentine's Day rather brave statement those sorts of things I think you know what we should be doing is taking sensible precautions we normally take particularly in the winter season right what about Professor Ferguson who came on the program also yesterday and said in his view when is mathematically model day where in the early stages of a global pandemic and if he is right then he thought 60 percent of the u.k. Could become affected now as you say most of the great majority of them 99 percent of them suffering only mild symptoms and recovering but one percent of them not are you ready for that so this is where the 4th strand of what we're doing which is the mitigation comes in because the thing with this this epidemic were to happen is we obviously don't know how big the peak would be and absolutely critically we don't know what proportion of people have this disease or that symptoms we don't yet have a test to tell how many people are infected and just have nothing at all and until we do that we really are only have a best estimate our best estimate of the top end of the range for the number of people dying is around 2 percent in my view it could be a bit could considerably less than that but we should plan for the worst now what he correctly professor is correctly doing and he's one of the several mathematical models we're working with is say well what's the reason the worst case and how is it going to distribute over time and then we have to go away and work out how the n.h.s. Is best configured to cope with all the various scenarios that come out potentially involving hundreds of thousands of people who die. Well I think it's I think it's a mistake to put numbers in which are entirely speculative Basically I'm but they will be like people do when they listen to Professor Ferguson and they look at and he says 60 percent and then he says one percent seem to be dying and they they they put it together are you saying wrong so what we will do is as the numbers because at the moment the actual numbers we're seeing out of China as a variable that is really difficult to put a fix or could be the one percent or could even be a lot less than that so what I think once you know once we get to the point the other series fix it it looks as if there is a. An epidemic rolling our way which is possible I would be delighted to come back to this program and talk through a real numbers rather than a new sense entirely understood a final point about China you said you want to get back to and this is important because the been various changes in the figures coming out of China I mean this was the broad question is the extent to which you think what we hear from China is now believable I think that it is very clear that the Chinese health service has found it really quite difficult to deal with this upswing of this infection and I think a lot of what we're seeing is not people deliberately misleading but simply that the reality is taking a long time to catch up with the facts and the 2 coming together so I mean I think it's not so much we disbelieve it but I think we have to have huge confidence vote of uncertainty around the numbers we're seeing not because we think that people are misleading us deliberately but they don't I think have the correct figures at this point in time Professor Chris witty chief medical officer for England thank you very much for coming in today right thank you for inviting me 20 minutes past 8 over the next 24 hours the prime minister will be giving some ministers the knowledge and others the elbow as he does his 1st major cabinet reshuffle since the election so will it be tweaks or a complete overhaul and what will we learn from the process Laura can spokes our political editor and is outside Downing Street I've been keeping an eye on the front door. Or haven't really seen any people coming out with smiles bounding out smiles or slinking out with. Grimaces but this stops now does it. It's starting very soon and following a pattern of a certain kind of Westminster diplomacy ministers I understand we fired in the privacy of the Prime Minister's wood paneled glory of offices in the heart of Commons those who are likely to go the current business secretary under lead some the Northern Ireland secretary Julian Smith is also in the firing line the housing minister estimate they is also expected to be on the way out now I stress none of this is confirmed until it actually happens because reshuffles very very often don't turn out quite as Downing Street expects the whole thing is like a pack of dominoes but there's expected to be on their way up through a bit later on will be trotting grinning up Downing Street and Mary Trevellyan who's been a defense minister who's on her way up to the cabinet we expect Alex Sharma the Secretary of State for International Development has also been at it for a promotion I stress though this is a bit like Grand National Day you know the Westminster village is like the crowded Aintree full of bets and gossip and expectation and often what seems to be even the most solid tips to end up going a ride but this one more broadly the anything like the total clear out when Boris Johnson arrived in number 10 you know they started with an empty white board then as I understand it and filled it with the team that they wanted to build only after they finalize that they realised that actually that meant more than 15 ministers were losing their jobs what can we learn from the direction of travel what you know work what signals will it give us. Well the makeup of the cabinet really matters especially when you have a prime minister with an enormous majority because the number 10 machine has been sort of pulling in power and the cabinet is only is one of the only possible breaks on the prime minister now to be able to focus today on how many women end up at the top table because some of them are expected to be out there time want to stress the promotion of women at the lower levels of government in the hope of a better gender specific top table next time around but it will look very carefully at the makeup of the whole team when it's all done who are the ministers who might be strong enough to stand up to Boris Johnson who are those who are individual imaginative thinkers or who are just going to be there is sort of loyal ballast for the prime minister but Boris Johnson has so far given the impression at least he wants Secretary of States to be able to just get on with their jobs and not be a micromanager So these are positions of real influence and Rio imports but it's also really interesting to note the Government has backed away from this being a huge dramatic reset and a huge rewiring of the machinery of government which suggests you know a lot of the appetite for reform that was Johnson seemed to show at the beginning of his time in office may quite not be as for a shift as he'd thought you talk about the candidates who would be able to stand up to the sort of independent thinking one of those Michael Gove fits that description is quite a lot of interest and where he ends up this being talked about running the climate summit later this year running it just to taking the lead in Briggs negotiations where do you see him ending up. Well I see him as being an absolutely vital part of this government team there's no question that he's an extremely influential member of the government and you're right he is someone who every time any job or new role or extra responsibility is mentioned in Westminster people sort of whisper Well of course that will end up with Gove he sort of sucking in everything potentially even the constitutional review his name has been mentioned in connection with that I'm not sure however today foresee any form or adaptation of his role of course he's sort of well he's in a great position at the moment anyway is the sort of pulling the strings These are the chief executive with Boris is the Boris Johnson as the chairman Lord people put it that work for some people would make that characterization certainly and there's no question you know tucked away in the Cabinet Office seems like this quite obscure but no doubt that is an extremely important position in the government it is likely that he may be doing the parliamentary end of the BRICs that trade negotiations although David Frost the prime minister's top e.u. Official will be doing the actual haggling across the table with Michel Barnier Ok but it will be interesting even though we don't expect big bang changes to Whitehall really there may well be some rather interesting tweaks under the surface that do make a difference in terms of direction of travel Ok we'll watch this space Laura thanks very much indeed 26 minutes past 8 it is a month since lot of hootin announced that he wanted to rewrite the Russian constitution and later today is going to be inviting senior politicians and public figures to his country's state to move the process forward critics of the Russian president claim that the constitution reform had only one aim ready to allow Mr Putin to remain in power in some shape or form after 2024 when his presidential term ends so how would Russians feel about how Moscow correspondent Steve Rosenberg has been travelling to Russia's industrial heartland to find out. A 1000 miles from Moscow. To him for the. The come with me into the world of a brush and pensioner on his there was a cow sort of that is raising 4 of her grandchildren by herself in her tiny flat. Just. To stay fit and positive every day funny dances to pop music on her mobile phone she shows me. The body is twisting and turning to the beat on t.v. She tells me she likes Sudoku watching boxing on t.v. And sometimes she says she goes out to give lectures. What about when I ask 6 sex well was she replies. I'm lost for words but the news ya never read and there is one thing she loves talking about more than anything else. President Clinton the outs of the law all of the why you don't want hear he's my favorite subject that I'm a Putin is she beams he can sing do politics every think he's boosted our country and he wears a lovely shirts I want him to be president forever but he could kill as well as think that the will really get and funny she should say that the a. Serious issue he is adamant Hooten is trying to rewrite the constitution to make Russia stronger he says but his critics claim it so that he can rule forever if not as president than in some other role. In funny as hometown Magnitogorsk in rustbelt Russia there's a mixed response to the idea of Putin forever. cursed 2 still at a tram stop Nicholai tells me let Putin stay on Stalin rules as he wanted but Luke Miller disagrees with those who bought her the wages of falling health care is getting worse she says and Putin's The problem he's got to go but if he doesn't want to there's nothing we can do about it. Here at the local Ice Hockey Stadium the crowd is excited about the game. But not about what's happening to the Constitution to be undermined by anything. A steelworker cool picture tells me people's priority is to feed their families to survive they don't have time to think about politics. Was. But some Russians do need the media yes they don't think yeah yeah let's leave out in another part of the us you Catarina book protesters are accusing their president of a constitutional cuckoo and you know but they never get me in the tally it tells me that the authorities are using the Constitution like toilet paper bag label my year to wipe their bottoms which have got stuck to the throne 2. There are the only $200.00 protesters here activist Tatiana is philosophical. I'd like my protest to count she says. The Today programme continues on f.m. But here on Radio 4 longwave on digital radio and on b.b.c. Sounds it's time for yesterday in Parliament with me Sean Curran Good morning from Westminster coming up between now and 9 up close and personal Jeremy Corbyn brings up the Prime Minister's past as he criticizes the deportation of foreign offenders plans for a new law to stop the automatic release of terrorist offenders a rush through the Commons and Boris Johnson is accused of ignoring the plight of the Syrian people Downing Street has spent the last few days brushing aside criticism of the decision to deport convicted offenders to Jamaica in the face of legal challenges and opposition anger the Labor leader Jeremy Corbyn return to the issue yesterday does the prime minister think that someone who came to this country at the age of 5 and was in and was the victim of county lines grooming and compelled to carry drugs released 5 years ago and never really offended deserves to be 45 minister this is because I think the whole country I would agree that while I cannot comment on individual cases it is entirely right that foreign national offenders should be deported from this country to enter in accordance with the law Mr Corbyn said ministers had learnt nothing from the wind rush scandal and accuse the government of misleading people into thinking that only people convicted of murder rape and other very serious offenses were being deported and then the Labor leader launched a rare personal attack on the prime minister if there was a case of a young boy white boy. With a blonde who later dabbled in class a drugs and conspired with a friend to beat up a journalist what he did pull out that. Boy or is it all Mr Speaker is it one rule for young black boys from the Caribbean and another for white boys from the United States Boris Johnson muttered something as Jeremy Corbyn asked his question when he got to his feet the prime minister hit back at the Labor leader I think quite frankly that the right honorable Gentleman demeaned himself and by the way as you noted were the same the trees the reputation the smirch is the reputation of the wind rush generation who came to this country to work in our public services to teach our children in this country to make life better for the people of this country he has no right to conflate them with those already. Given the angry nature of those exchanges it was something of a surprise when a few minutes later Boris Johnson said he agreed with Jeremy Corbin after the Labor leader criticised the U.K.'s extradition arrangements with the United States Mr Corbyn had raised the u.s. Government's refusal to extradite the woman charged with causing the death of 19 year old Harry done by dangerous driving in North Hampton China last August this is only the latest case of our country's one sided extradition treaty with the USA This is not sided treaty means the us can request extradition in circumstances that Britain cannot while the us continues to deny justice to Harry done will the prime minister commit to day to seek an equal and balanced extradition relationship with the United States Prime Minister Mr Speaker I to be frank I think the honorable gentleman has a point in his characterization of our exclusion arrangements with United States and I do think that there is a there are elements of that relationship that are unbalanced I search and bags I certainly think that it is worth looking at but here it is. Totally different from the case of Harry down and and sick of that and we continue to seek the extradition of answer could ask to face justice in this country but the prime minister obviously find it easier to agree with some opponents than others later in the exchanges the s. And P's Kirsten Oswald asked about changes to the tax free allowance claimed by members of the Lords which would use a come into effect in April the new dealy elements for the anaemic to an unaccountable piers being stuffed into the House of Lords by the prime minister is set to rise to $323.00 players the monthly allowance for a single person over 25 on Universal Credit is $317.00 poesy the $24.00 of us is that the levelling up the prime minister keeps talking about. A wide stream of I don't he agree with these people actually I thought I do but I do if I do if I do find I do find that it is it is all but those militant chosen to do that but it is a decision for their s.n.p. M.P.'s weren't happy at that reference to these people one of the parties M.P.'s Richard Thompson was quick to challenge Boris Johnson over nother issue and 2018 lib often you can the wife of like to be a pittance a former deputy finance minister paid $20000.00 pounds for lunch with a very conservative leader riff Davidson who we believe should be a normal kid the prime minister remind the host once more why his government is yet to publish the Intelligence and Security Committee ship or intelligence Russian interference in your case politics. As as I think as I think he knows very well the report will be published as soon as the intelligence theory committee is reconvened and I think as I told the House several times before those of a conspiratorial cast of mind will be disappointed by its findings the prime. Minister emergency legislation designed to end the release of people convicted of terrorism offenses halfway through their sentence has been backed by M.P.'s the measures which will apply in England Scotland and Wales were 5 strikes through the Commons as Mandy Baker reports the bill was join up after Sudesh a man stabbed 2 people on a street in Stratham in south London earlier this month he'd been freed from prison 10 days before under the automatic early release scheme having served half his sentence for terror offenses the legislation is being passed in a rush because on February the 28th another convicted terrorist is due to be released after serving half his sentence for encouraging terrorism the justice secretary Robert Buckland began by explaining the reasons for the new arrangements to standardize the earliest point at which they may be considered for release at 2 thirds of the sentence imposed and secondly to require that the parole board assess whether they're safe to release between that moment and the end of their sentence this will apply to all terrorist and terrorist related offenses where the maximum penalty is above 2 years including those offenses for which suggestion was sentenced M.P.'s from all sides indorse the measures but that didn't mean they didn't have questions the former prime minister to resign made was one of the 1st to her feet she was concerned about rehabilitation does marginal friend agree that actually we will never deal with this issue of terrorism until we deal with the ideology that drives it and we really reassure me that the government is made taking extra efforts to find new paths to ensure that we can turn people away from the extremism and the terrorism that takes other people's lives and yeah Robert Buckland did try to reassure her there is a constant if you like a self questioning amongst those responsible for these particular programs to make sure that they are properly calibrated that they understand the. Killer drivers that mean that people are compelled to commit these acts the conservative Tobias Elwood who's chair of the Defense Committee echoed that point we have to ask ourselves why these people are indoctrinated in the 1st place where he agree with me that we need to do more to remove that harmful online content which is you so much to attract people to the stop place they go to the justice secretary said the threat was continually evolving this government will be as fleet of foot as possible in responding to those changes and he'll be glad to note that when it comes to online content we are working at pace in order to remove inappropriate and hateful content a conservative former attorney general Jeremy Wright pay tribute to the work of prison in Mom's Can you reassure us that given the extra time in custody that many of these prisoners will now see these sorts of effective and in many cases very brave interventions by prison the moms will be given the extra time available to take further effect the justice secretary said it was precisely that type of specialist intervention that the government would be encouraging but labor same amount wanted how this was going to be paid for the resources available to police and probation is also a critical part of this change legislation won't be enough is he also committed to making sure that the resources required through the justice system will be in place to make any change effective on the court Robert Buckland said whatever resources were needed would be provided Labor supported the bill but the shadow security minister Nick Thomas Simmons felt the government should have seen this problem coming I do think the House today is entitle to ask the question as to why we have ended up requiring this law to be made by remote and see legislation automatically release is hardly new it's been part of our system for many years and could have already been dealt with by. Government The took a more strategic approach his fellow Labor m.p. Effect Cooper who chairs the Home Affairs Committee said the warnings were there she quoted what Neil pursue the u.k. Head of counterterrorism had told her committee in October 28th the points that some of that radicalizes are getting short sentences coming out and being able to continue is a problem as not having sufficient resources in place to use desisted or disengagement programs for the s.n.p. Kenny MacAskill said his party understood the urgency and wouldn't oppose the bill but he said there were risks Ben always conscious of the analogy of was in the jar if you shake them all about and then you let them out then you're going to get stung but the chair of the Justice Committee the conservative support Neil didn't think ministers would get stung the very real reality of blood being shed on the streets of this culture in itself it seems to me is a compelling reason and the fact that people have been releasing them very so swiftly and very frequently seized articles and news into catastrophic effect it seems to me to make this legislation both necessary and in the proportion that as well the bill passed all its stages in the Commons now it will go to the Lords for the approval of Pearce Mandy Baker You're listening to yesterday in Parliament on b.b.c. Radio 4 long grave with me shorn Karen now more than 600000 people of thought to have fled their homes in northern Syria since December the un says it's the biggest displacement of people since the Syrian crisis began 9 years ago the leader of the s.n.p. At Westminster in Blackford accuse the British government of washing its hands of the Syrian people and northern city of displaced women and their children are literally freezing to death. There are reports of babies dying due to the. Extreme conditions and 45000 people remain stranded with nowhere to go but the speaker of the city and war is considered to have caused the biggest weave of displacement since the 2nd World War. Can the prime minister tell the hosts what responsibility his government has taken for this humanitarian crisis in the. World Mr Speaker I think that the whole house will know what what I think I've said several times in this house that the u.k. Leads the world in supporting the crisis and supporting the humanitarian relief efforts in Syria 3200000000 pounds this country has committed to that calls in Blackford complained that Boris Johnson hadn't answered his question he said when Mr Johnson was Foreign Secretary in 2017 he enacted a policy of accepting President Assad's rule over the country a man who has gassed his own civilians the humanitarian situation has reached crisis point and there are no concerns of war is the message the prime minister wants to send out from this house the day that this u.k. Government is washing its hands of the Syrian people I'm not here scared Ted but Assad's regime to continue and that taking these atrocities Boris Johnson defended the government's record I really think that the right honorable gentleman need to consult his memory better because he will find that this country and this government has persistently called for the end of the Asaad regime and indeed has has led the world has led the world in denouncing the cruelty of the Ass Out regime towards towards his own people that has been continuously the policy of the British government the prime minister the incoming governor of the Bank of England says the u.k. And the e.u. Must find a way to settle disagreements over the workings of the finance industry without descending into what he called a metaphorical punch up and drew Bailey was talking to a lot committee Alysia McCarthy reports it's estimated that financial services contributed 132000000000 pounds to the u.k. Economy in 2000. 18 with more than a 1000000 jobs in the sector leaving the e.u. Means a change to how those businesses can operate until Breck's it they were able to work freely across the European Union but now that depend on a system known as equivalents allowing access in certain areas if laws and supervisory frameworks are deemed equivalent to be use at the moment the rules are the same but a conservative lady Kuti wondered where do you envisage the relationship it between the u.k. Financial services at ending up and perhaps more importantly where would you like it to be answering lady cuties question was Andrew Bailey currently head of the Financial Conduct of 30 and soon to take over from Mark Carney as governor of the Bank of England regulator Corp placed you know that the referendum has reminder strongly deliberately on both sides going out we have very strong relations with our council count us and we've been very few things Marshall those are not eroded Secondly I think you have to have mechanisms to say Ok the answer day we each take our decision but the process by which we reach the you know the assessment is not going to be done you know on on on a separate planet that would need to be coordination and an understanding of what the other was doing and that was important because they've been mix ups in the past you would want to have a mechanism to say Ok let's sit down and talk about what we're doing it because we don't think we're doing that we think we're doing sensible things you know if that ended up in a sort of you know a much more compunction about rates on a fret to a drawer equivalence I mean that process just would not work properly. But Lady cutie wondered what would happen if the u.k. Wanted to make changes to its financial services are you confident that if we do diverging areas say like building societies which are pretty you need a or annuity pensions or there's various areas where there would be very good reasons for us to have domestic Dyke divergence and we may on some things which actually cross over in a sort of international types of areas of business for for good sound reasons are you saying that you think the mechanisms of that then to have that dialogue so that we don't lose the equivalence Andrew Bailey said Piers needed to look at the circumstances where the u.k. And the e.u. Might want to move apart clearly both of us are going to have to review our rulebooks we do because the woman is wrong and also you know let's be honest about London rethink perfectly 1st time in a very bizarre world with and Andrew Bailey said there were some e.u. Rules such as those relating to pension annuities that didn't work well for the u.k. And some financial businesses such as building societies that didn't do international trade and labor payload decide looked at the future relationship the other way around what are the risks of really very close alignment this time Sam Woods from the Bank of England we don't think that we can have confidence about our mandate of meant any financial stability if we have no say of the rules given the size of the financial sector we haven't given the fact that it's very different from what there is in most of the rest of the Andrew Bailey said the rule book that existed today had been developed with a lot of input from the u.k. And that had been pretty successful over the years now of course we're going to move into a world where that's not going to be the case so it can to factually what the what the future will look like in the absence of the others is obviously hard judge but it's clearly a risk if we were to be locked in to question that it's likely a conservative and former Treasury minutes that lady Neville Rolf wondered if the u.k. Could take a different rate. Where the opportunity to communicate a diversion from future erode the Bank of England Sam Woods had an example we are very keen on the idea of a simpler model we could have a simpler regime for small firms absurdly small bags. I believe Michael is we've that would be a good thing both from a safety and soundness and from competition and from a competitiveness perspective we'd like to work such thing up it's very difficult to get such thing agreed in the e.u. $2813.00 because one person's big is of course the small and things of that kind but he thought it could be done by the u.k. And wouldn't be affected by the equivalence rules that he added wryly whether that proved to be true or not remains to be seen Alysia McAfee there's been renewed pressure on the government to do more to help leasehold flat out who's who's buildings have Grenfell style clattering freeholders are supposed to replace the cladding but very little of the work has been done in the meantime according to the labor m.p. Hilary Benn the nice man and expense for the leaseholders continues just imagine for a moment you've saved up all your money your bought your 1st flat it's the home of your dreams you move in the future beckons and then one day a letter drops on the map and it's from your managing agent and it tells you your home is actually in a building that's now been judged a fires because of unsafe cladding and that as a lease shop you must immediately that they start paying for waking watch otherwise or all of you are going to have to move out of your homes in one case in lead currently that waking what is costing each flat over $670.00 pounds a month plus the 80. On top of their mortgage and their service the housing minister estimates vary congratulated Hilary Benn and other M.P.'s for raising their constituents issues cases concerns and dire lemmas we all know that this is causing much stress anguish to residents and how do we support everybody in that but I think people can also appreciate that issue was evolving as as time goes on and and we also understand it is of no fault to the person who is a lease holder who bought their home and now things have happened and I think we all understand that really anybody could be one of those lease holders and it is happening to so many Hilary Benn is looking to the budget next month when he hopes the government will announce what it's going to do to make sure lease holders don't have to pay now Piers have criticised the processes behind the bricks and other referendums the calls for changes to be made ahead of any Auburn national polls Rachel Byrne reports it's not yet a month since the u.k. Left the European Union and the impact of the e.u. Referendum is still felt keenly by the Labor peer Lord Soli not least with discussion of another Scottish independence referendum on the possibility of an on and vote the horrors of the way of politics and economics with divided in the country or gripped it is bad precisely because it was a narrow division and it would be even worse if the same happen did Scotland or particularly in Northern Ireland Nord slowly has said in the past that referendums are a bad idea at the best of times and that referendums on complex issues are an even worse idea he said there should at least be a requirement on minimum voter turnout and a higher level of approval in order to make major change the e.u. Ref. Brenda resulted in a 52 to 48 percent vote in favor of leaving the e.u. For the government Lord Howe explained why he didn't believe the Lord so these suggestions would work this country has no history of applying thresholds to the making of laws for example or the electing of our representatives and both of those things require a simple majority to start applying special thresholds peripheral thems would I think require a special justification and a clear justification Labour's Lord Grey court reflected on the last 3 u.k. Referendums on the voting system Scottish independence and Bracks it one of the bizarre characteristics is that within before the ink was dry on the results of those referenda. The losers were campaigning for a 2nd referendum to reverse the 1st one therefore shouldn't one characteristic of a referendum to diffuse should be that there should be a minimum interval between the same question being asked in order to Tyler a liberal Democrat was concerned about the funding of the referendum I know it's just the government except that the worst failures with the 2016 referendum actually were concerned with transparency and funding we still do not know who paid for how much and for what and whether some significant sums were illegally foreign sources and with that he moved on to a report into alleged Russian interference in u.k. Democracy from Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee the long awaited i s c report on Russian inference may be very relevant here when when the prime minister authorize its publication. The White House said the government had no evidence to show that there was any successful interference in the 26000 referendum However we take any allegations of interference in our processes the democratic process is extremely serious. My understanding is that the report that the noble Lord refers to has been released by the prime minister Lady O'Neill an independent or crossbench peer said there was limited evidence of foreign influence over the e.u. Referendum or on President Trump selection but today there is much more evidence about this information campaigning and many reports including by the Oxford Internet Institute which I believe give us great cause for worry about the future of democracy note a new be another liberal Democrats noted that the minister had set the I ask the Russia report had been released by Boris Johnson when would it be published a lot of the call from this house was for the prime minister to release the report cleared a report for publication it is not the function of the government to publish it is the function of the Intelligence and Security Committee the Intelligence and Security Committee is get to reconvene following the general election Rachel Byrne Well the big day has finally arrived soon we'll know who's up who's down who's in who's out who's been shaken all about its parts Johnson's 1st big cabinet reshuffle ministers have known it was coming since the election and there's been some not so subtle lobbying by members of the government who've read speculation that they're heading for the exit and that means the small accession of questions to the attorney general will be even more interesting than usual will Geoffrey Cox still be in his post in half an hour here to help us think about today's events is Daniel Cramer from the B.B.C.'s political research unit so Donald is laid to speculation Geoffrey Cox was basically saying yesterday he will be a really good idea if there are some lawyers in the government who he could be talking about we do not know what we think is going to happen over the course of today well there are a few mixed messages from what he was saying yesterday to the Institute for government he kind of suggested he'd love to keep the job he said. If he was given the opportunity to continue he would quite embrace it eagerly but also respect to the Prime Minister's decision if he did and there's also talk of him moving to a different role so if he was sacked it wouldn't really necessarily been seen as a sacking because there's a potential commission that the government wants to start into how to reform the judiciary but it will be interesting to see how many M.P.'s will probe him on whether he still expects to be in the job and what do we think might happen today I mean there's a lot of speculation that a lot of women ministers could be leaving and that could change the makeup of the cabinet so the government's been on this is that there's been talk that the proportion of women in Kapanen might decrease but that could be offset some say that isn't being offset by an increase in the number of women in senior ministerial roles there may be an increase in the level of minister of state which is the one below cabinet minister but it is already quite low in the cabinet so out of the 31 politicians who attend cabinet only 8 of them are women so if we go down it won't seem great in terms of proportion that could mean even more men sitting around the Cabinet table give us an idea about their profile their background people who are sitting there now so in terms of educational background that often been criticism that sitting around the Cabinet table have been lots of Oxbridge private school and independent white men there is interesting at the moment in Boris Johnson's current cabinet 61 percent of the 31 who attend cabinet went to private school but only 42 percent of them went to Oxbridge and currently there are 6 members of the Cabinet who are b. And b. So I'm sure the numbers will go up and down journalists such as may well go through all the numbers and try and pick. News lines from it now all of this is going to distract those of us who are going to be watching what's going on in the Houses of Parliament it's the last day before parliament takes a half term break often quite a quiet day in the chamber possibly while the prime minister is deciding to do is reshuffle Len But is there anything we should be looking out for today so there will be attorney general questions and they'll also be that the part of a Digital Culture Media and Sport before that so that's the final departmental questions the Lords have much more on their plate today and they could be around until the evening lots of different things but includes a debate from the crossbench Lord Hope who's leading a debate on the threats posed by pets and diseases to native trees in the u.k. And then another one on safety of smart motorways So it's a lot of things to wrap up before have to actually thank you very much Daniel lots for us to look forward to you've been listening to yesterday in Parliament with me Sean Carroll the editor was Rachel Byrne It doesn't matter who's in or out we'll still be here same time same place tomorrow until then from us good morning. News at 9 o'clock Turner has sex 2 of the most senior Communist Party officials in who they province amid accusations that the extent of the coronavirus epidemic has been suppressed the pair were fired after the authorities revealed a big increase in the scale of the outbreak partly caused by the use of a broader definition to diagnose cases England's chief medical.

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Democratic candidates are hot on his heels but it was another bad night for Joe Biden will be live in New Hampshire also on the newsroom for u.s. Prosecutors quit after President Trump criticizes a sentence given to a former ally but be able to do it if I wanted to have the absolute right to do it I stay out of things to a degree that people wouldn't believe but I didn't speak to him I thought the recommendation was ridiculous and later. Sound that won't be heard again now if the removal workers dropped a $200000.00 piano 1st to our top stories Hello I'm Tom what's with the b.b.c. News the veteran left wing Senator Bernie Sanders has won the New Hampshire primary the latest stage in the contest to choose a Democratic Party candidate for the White House he told his supporters his victory was the beginning of the end for Donald Trump and we're going to unite together and defeat the most dangerous president in the modern history of this country. And the reason I believe we are going to win is that we have in unprecedented grass roots movement from coast to coast close behind Senator Sanders came the more centrist contenders the former mayor of peace buthe jag and Senator Amy Klobuchar shop Mr Botha judge said he was the candidates to unite the electorate my competitors and I share the same fundamental goals bringing balance to our economy guaranteeing health care to every a mere combat in a climate crisis and a rising tide of gun violence but we do differ in what we believe it will take to make that happen in this election season we have been told by some that you must either be for revolution or you are for the status quo but where does that leave the rest of us. Most Americans don't see where they fit in their polarized vision the technology entrepreneur Andrew Yang has dropped out of the race for the Democratic nomination all for us Justice Department prosecutors working on the case of Roger Stone the convicted former advisor to President Trump have asked to be released from further involvement their decision comes immediately after the department indicated it would override their recommendation to sentence Mr Stone to a lengthy prison term James read reports Roger Stone was once one of Donald Trump's closest political advisors last year he was convicted on 7 charges including lying to Congress and witness tampering in a case that threatened the president on Monday prosecutors requested he be given between 7 and 9 years in prison Mr Trump criticized that recommendation as horrible and very unfair and within hours it had been withdrawn by the Justice Department Democrats have called for an investigation into whether the White House intervened saying that would be an abuse of power Mr Trump denies interfering but says he could if he wanted to and Japan says it has confirmed corona virus infections in another $39.00 passengers and crew on board a cruise ship being quarantined in the port of Yokohama along with a health worker who has also fallen ill This brings the total number of cases aboard the Diamond Princess to 1754 people are in a serious condition the ship now represents the biggest single outbreak of the virus outside mainland China Japan is refusing to allow the $3700.00 passengers and crew to leave this is the world news from the b.b.c. China's National Health Commission has reported another $97.00 deaths from the Corona virus bringing the total to more than $1100.00 almost all were in the central province of who Bay where the epidemic began. An unidentified attacker has shot dead a political worker for the victorious me Party in the Indian capital Delhi The attack came hours after the crushing defeat of India's governing b j p party whose leaders were accused of running a divisive and communal campaign for the regional election that you volunteer had just accompanied a winning candidate to offer prayers at a temple federal prosecutors in Brazil have asked the court to suspend the appointment by President Abbas an arrow of a former evangelical missionary as head of the department in charge of protecting Indigenous communities the prosecutors said there was a conflict of interest in the appointment because he's an evangelical pastor who previously worked as an American missionary Candace Pietro ports recount the Lopez Dia's worked for a decade up to 2007 for the controversial New Tribes Mission now known as ethanol 360 the group aims to convert isolated groups to Christianity by translating the Bible into their language as head of Brazil's indigenous agency Mr Diaz now has detailed information on over 100 isolated tribes in the Amazon including monitoring and location studies the prosecutor said the appointment raise the risk of genocide and ethnic side among the tribes Venezuela's opposition leader why doe has returned to the country after a 3 week foreign towards a rally support for his campaign to oust President Nicolas Maduro there were chaotic scenes at Caracas International Airport as scuffles broke out between his supporters and those of Mr Madeira open for he left in a car he had left Venezuela in defiance of a travel ban imposed by the government b.b.c. News. Thanks very much listening to the newsroom from the b.b.c. World Service with all of a Conway 4 years ago Bernie Sanders easily beat Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire primary but she eventually went on to win the Democratic presidential nomination this time around the left wing senator who represents the neighboring state of Vermont came top in New Hampshire by a much narrower margin he got 26 percent of the vote just ahead of Pete Budaj edge with Senator Amy Klobuchar surging into 3rd place a few minutes ago by any sourness spoke to his supporters this victory here is the beginning of the end for Donald Trump was I what I can tell you with absolute certainty and I know I speak for every one of the Democratic candidates is that no matter who wins and we certainly hope it's going to be us we're going to unite together was and defeat the most dangerous president in the modern history of this country was the people to judge the former mayor of South Bend Indiana belt on his strong performance in Iowa coming to within 2 percentage points of causing an upset in New Hampshire he finished 2nd and he argued he was the kind of centrist candidate who could beat Donald Trump in this election season we have been told by some the you must either be for revolution or you are for the status quo but where does that leave the rest of us. Most Americans don't see where they fit in their polarized vision and we can't defeat the most divisive president in modern American history by tearing down anybody who doesn't agree with us 100 percent of the time. The senator Amy Klobuchar who surprised many with a strong performance in the most recent t.v. Debate among the Democrats was the other big winner in the primary coming 1st with just under 20 percent I believe now that we cannot win big by trying to out divide the divider in chief we know that we win by bringing people with us in stead of shouting them out Donald Trump's worst nightmare is that the people in the middle the people who have had enough of the name calling and the mudslinging have someone to vote for in November. I mean 3 version of the 3rd all of the 3 big winners but former Vice President Joe Biden and Senator Elizabeth Warren both performed badly each gaining less than 10 percent of the vote when our correspondent Chris Buckley spent the day and night in New Hampshire Chris what does this result mean for the Democratic nomination race. You can't help but divide the groups into winners and losers and there's no dog the Bernie Sanders people to judge an Amy close goodnights the real questions I suppose emerge for Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden who have been beaten into 4th and 5th place in a quite substantial why if you take a look at Joe Biden for example the former u.s. Vice president he clearly has name recognition he clearly has political experience but he knew a bad result was coming here in New Hampshire and has already indeed left the state to go to South Carolina where a vote is going to take place in a couple of weeks time which will be the next of the series of votes to try to choose a count that as. You know I don't think we're any clear it's annoying as to who will challenge Donald Trump but I think it also shows that there. Is a deep divide in the Democratic Party between the liberal progressive candidates and those who are more moderate and that is going to be the question going forward just who can stand the campaign risk long enough and who will draw part fast so far the the 2 states which have chosen candidate so Iowa and now New Hampshire tend to be fairly white states next Nevada and South Carolina what should we look for in those contests. Yet very very different and actually Dot is what Joe Biden is hoping will make the big difference for him the former us vice president tends to poll a little bit better with a diverse field so basically there are more Latino and black voters and not could make a real difference to his vote go in for was and it could also mean difficulties for some of the other candidates who have done well up to this point and of course one of the arguments is going to be that the Democratic candidates has to reflect those who are going to vote for the party and you know black voters are incredibly important and it is also very important to have a woman on the ticket some would argue as well as at least in the vice president position if not in the president position and certainly if you listen to Liz about Warren tonight she was talking about the fact that. The done well and that you should not really bet against a woman it gives you this idea that there are groups that are going to be pushing for their candidates in this and it's going to remain a very very difficult fight but you know I have to say all of our at the stage we don't have somebody who is really really leading the field it was a 3 way fight in this particular primary and you do get the impression that there are still 5 people in the city and of course Michael Bloomberg waiting in the wings Chris Buckley in New Hampshire many thanks so all to play for among the Democrats but the Republican primary in New Hampshire was won by guess who Donald Trump with 86 percent of the vote which he said was the best ever for an incumbent president but even though he has no real opposition inside his. Own party he has managed to get himself in trouble with his tweeting after he criticized a possible prison term for one of his former allies prosecutors recommended that Roger Stone be jailed for 7 to 9 years but just hours after Donald Trump called this a miscarriage of justice the u.s. Justice Department suggested a shorter term prompting it critics of Mr Trump to say he was interfering in newsrooms Daniel man is following developments for us remind us who is Roger Stone why he's controversial Well by his own admission he's a dirty tricks and he goes way back to the days of Richard Nixon he's a huge Amar of the for Miss Us president who was forced from office even has a tattoo his face on his back he also worked on campaigns with President Reagan and he was political advisor to Donald Trump a decades eventually persuading him to run for office in 2016 now 3 years later he got caught up in Robert Miller's investigation into claims of Russian meddling and last November he was convicted of lying to Congress his House Intelligence Committee which is investigating those allegations he was also convicted of obstruction and witness tampering He's due to be sentenced next week and on Monday prosecutors at the Department of Justice recommended a prison sentence of between 7 and 9 years sparking a late night intervention in President Trump on Twitter who said this would be very unfair and a miscarriage of justice and after he said that what did the Department of Justice do when on Tuesday it overrode its own prosecutors new papers were filed in court which said the department would make a formal recommendation instead it suggested a more appropriate sentence of 3 to 4 years in line with obstruction cases the Department of Justice even said the original recommendation was excessive and unwarranted for prosecutors who convicted stone withdrew from the case and one of them when even as far as resigning as a federal prosecutor now critics of President Trump immediately cues him of interference but he denies asking the Justice Department to get stone sentence cut in half. I'd be able to do it if I wanted to have the absolute right to do it I stay out of things to a degree that people wouldn't believe but I didn't speak to him I thought the recommendation was ridiculous and shouldn't happen and we'll see what what goes on there but it was horrible aberration these are the ideas there were the same Muller people that put everybody through hell I think it's a disgrace so I didn't like the sentence but he didn't do anything to get it changed what's been the reaction from the Democrat where they've been very clear this for them is an abuse of power by the president if he intervened to reverse the original sentence and they've called for an investigation Adam Schiff was one of the 1st to give his opinion he chairs the House Intelligence Committee which stone lied to or Mr Schiff of course Nourse the impeachment inquiry which failed to get Mr Trump removed from office he also accused the Attorney General William Barr who's in charge of the Department of Justice of a ruling career prosecutors present terms urging now for the Justice Department a senior official there called the timing of the president's tweet an inconvenient coincidence and so the department had not been in touch with the White House about Roger Stone sentencing Daniel Mann thank you Japan says a further 39 passengers have tested positive for the corona virus on a cruise ship currently quarantined in the port of Yokohama Rupert Winfield Hays reports from Tokyo this is yet another big jump in the number of passengers on board the Diamond Princess who have fallen ill from the Corona virus the ship now represents the biggest single outbreak of the virus outside mainland China with $175.00 confirmed cases including one Japanese health worker who went on board to help out all of those confirmed to have the virus are being taken off the ship and treated in hospital 4 of those previously hospitalized are now reported to be in a serious condition Meanwhile on board the Diamond Princess around 2600 passengers and over 1000 crew. Crew remain in quarantine Japan is refusing to let them off or to carry out a mass screening the Japanese health ministry says it does not have the resources or testing kits to screen everyone they have now been a number of calls from public health officials around the world to move the passengers from the cramped quarters of the ship to a more appropriate quarantine location so far the Japanese government remains unmoved revote Wingfield hang in Syria forces loyal to Bashar Assad appear to be heading towards victory in their battle to retake the last province controlled by Turkish backed rebels you know hundreds of thousands of civilians trapped in the region fleeing for their lives this report from our Middle East correspondent Quentin some of. The rules of rebel held illiberal are jammed by an exodus. The greatest in 9 years of Syria's war almost 700000 people on the move fleeing the advance of Bashar al Assad's regime. In the village of jewels of the for trial we firmly is packing up. For trial we deserted from the Syrian army after the revolution began Now here's your choice but to head north and I'm in the Amman. Delegate with fleeing from a village towards the Turkish border because we fear for our women and children we are heading towards the unknown and we do not know what lies ahead in this 7 year old son who seen struggles with the family carpet. He doesn't want to leave the hole not moral. When leaving a house because of my army the army executes those who stay here nearby his 9 year old brother Mohammed is helping to load the truck he says he wants to become a fighter he calls the regime forces infidels and they are on the line. The soldiers of the army well small threads if they find. They will leave a monthly to any area. In the tone of. The hailed the warplanes coming but their homes of protection in the aftermath amid the ambulances in the debris lead lives the green blanket was able to. Incite a charge course there's little but I can't recognize it if it's my father or my brother I don't know the lift and carry this is our fate as the Syrian people. To the south Turkish backed rebels scored a small victory to hit a regime helicopter as it made its way back to base it burst into flames but still manages to fly then all control is lost and it crushes an olive grove where they cook them there at the site a man dressed in combat gear explains a Turkish the helicopter behind me belongs to the regime it was dropping barrel bombs on Muslims and isn't civilians women and children. But Turkish backed forces and the extremist groups. Are mostly losing these days the regime today achieved a law will hope for goal retaking the m 5 road a critical route between Damascus and Aleppo. As the regime advances they'll have no choice but to head north to the sprawling camps on the Turkish border corralled and forgotten joining close to a 1000000 people who dared to challenge Bashar al Assad a Middle East correspondent Quentin some veil on the battle for Italy province in Syria this is the news room from the b.b.c. World Service and that's where we leave the World Service and video a very warm welcome to b.b.c. Radio 4 Hello I'm stepsons It's coming up to 20 past 5 on Wednesday the 12th of February in a moment the shipping forecast and all have news briefing room at the papers at 530 . pm wraps it is she fingers around your heart. Tell me about dramas inspired by the works of Emile Zola you know in life slings one thing after that I guess been man made with an all star cast led by Glenda Jackson been never seen me cry before more to the point neither had I fault lines money sex and blood on b.b.c. Radio 4 she was worth 10 of you. 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Radio 4 low Here's Helen Willetts that thank you very much yes good morning it's time for the shipping forecast issued by the Met Office on behalf of the maritime and Co to coast guard agency at 0505 today Wednesday the 12th of separate 2020 there are warnings of gales in forty's Cromarty forth tiny dog or fish or German bite Humber Thames Dover white Portland Plymouth Biscay Fitzroy so Lundy fast Net Irish Sea Shannon Rockwall Mullen Hebrides Bailey and feral the general synopsis at midnight new lows expected Bailey 913 pharaohs 994 and rock all 981 by midnight tonight the area forecast for the next 24 hours and Viking North has 0 South a 0 Northwest leave 5 to 7 becoming variable for less showers good forties Cromarty 4th time in Dhaka west 6 to Gale 8 occasionally severe gale 9 accepting Cromartie backing Southwest 2 to 4 then southeast 4 to 6 in time in Dhaka schoolish hours good occasionally poor Fisher German byt West 7 to severe gale 9 backing Southwest 3 to 5 schools showers good occasionally poor Humber Thames West 7 to severe gale 9 backing south 4 to 6 increasing 7 Ok late in Thames rain later good occasionally poor later Dover white Portland Plymouth West 5 to 7 backing south 4 to 6 increasing 7 to survey Gale 9 showers good Northwest Biscay westerly 45 backing south westerly 6 to Gale 8 showers good. Southeast Biscay south a choice variable for less becoming southwesterly $4.00 to $6.00 showers good North Fitzroy So Southwest leaf or 5 increasing 7 to severe gale 9 occasionally storm 10 in so school the showers good occasionally poor Lundy Fastnet West 5 to 7 backing Southwest for all 5 increasing 7 to Sebago 9 re North schoolish hours good occasionally poor Irish Sea West becoming cyclonic 6 to Gale 8 rain all schools showers good occasionally poor Shannon Rockall West 5 to 7 occasionally Gale 8 in rec walk will becoming cyclonic 7 to severe gale 9 occasionally storm 10 in Shannon rain or school the shower as good occasionally poor Mallon Hebrides Bailey west 6 to Gale 8 occasionally severe gale mind except in Maryland becoming cyclonic 45 increasing 6 to Gale 8 later except in Hebrides wintry showers get occasionally pull fair out Pharaoh's southeast Iceland Northwest 4 to 6 becoming cyclonic 5 to 7 occasionally Gale 8 in Fair Isle winter showers good occasionally poor. And now the weather reports from coastal stations for over on today 12 of every Tyree automatic west northwest 7 recent rain 6 miles 999 rising storm way west by North 6 slight rain 2 miles 991 rising Loic Northwest 3 recent rain 22 miles 984 rising Lucas West by last 619 miles 994 rising Bridlington west by south 51002 rising slowly Sandusky like vessel automatic West 711 miles 1011 rising slowly Jesse west by south 56 miles 1018 Falling Slowly channel light vessel to Mattick west by south 711 miles 1018 Falling Slowly solution Mattick west northwest 5 recent rain 8 miles 1019 rising slowly but Anthea West by North by 12 miles 1015 Falling Slowly Runnels way west by south 716 miles 1006 writing most lonely and man in head west by north 78 miles 1003 now forming. And here is the weather forecast for the Ensure waters of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and it's followed valid for the following 24 hours it was issued by the Met Office at 5 w. On today Wednesday the 12th of February general situation the cold unsettled westerly flow will ease will slowly ease into Wednesday before a low moves east across the United Kingdom bringing rain school showers and gales a ridge is expected later on Thursday with Settle conditions for a time before further rain and gales are expected on Friday so for Cape to wrap to head including opening westerly 5 to 7 occasionally Gale 8 at 1st becoming cyclonic for a time net Orkney backing Southwest 3 to 5 later schoolie wintry showers good occasionally poor wretch she had to bear upon Tweed Wesley 6 to Gail 8 backing southwesterly 3 of 4 then east Leo southeasterly 3 to 5 Winter showers becoming fair later good occasionally poor barrack punt tweet to Whitby Wesley 6 to Gale 8 backing southwest to the 3 or 4 then southeast 3506 later when she shouts at 1st rain later good occasionally poor will be to Gibraltar point west 6 or 7 backing self-will Southwest 4 or 5 and Southeast 5 to 7 later went to 1st rain later good occasionally pull to both points North Foreland westerly 6 to Gale 8 backing Southwest Lee for a 5 and southerly 5 to 7 rain or schoolish hours later good occasionally poor later no fallen to Selsey Bill Westley 5 to 7 backing Southwest the 45 and 76 to Gale 8 later schoolish hours rain for a time good occasionally poor so he built a line rageous West 5 to 7 backing southwest for a 5 increasing 6 to get a late occasionally severe gale 9 later schoolie showers rain for a time good occasionally poor. 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West 6 or 7 backing south for a 5 then southeast 6 to get a late later wintry showers rain later good occasionally poor the 4 to Carlingford lock west 6 or 7 backing southwest through 4 then southeast becoming cyclonic later 5 to 7 went to showers rain later good occasionally pull of Galloway to medical tiring clearing Firth of Clyde in North Channel westerly 6 or 7 backing south westerly 3 or 4 then easterly or northeasterly 5 to 7 later when she showers rain later good occasionally pull out of can type of number one point west 6 to Gail 8 fucking south west 2 to 4 the any storm north east 5 to 7 later showers when trip 1st model poor becoming good later. Point to Cape Raf Northwest 7 to survey again 9 backing west 3 to 5 very north and northwest later thunder wintry showers moderate or poor becoming mainly good later finally Shetland Isles Northwest 4 to 6 becoming variable through less the Northeast 4 or 5 later winter showers good occasionally poor 7. Things This is b.b.c. Radio 4 is coming out of us drive on Wednesday the 12th of February Good morning this is news briefing with. The u.s. Senator Bernie Sanders has won the latest stage in the contest to choose the Democratic Party candidate for November's presidential election another health worker has been confirmed as one of the u.k. Cases of the coronavirus in business a court will begin hearing an appeal by Google's parent company against a fine of more than 2000000000 euros And in sports lead to not going far as both slipped up in the Championship promotion race Bernie Saunders has won the Democratic Party primary in the state of New Hampshire the 2nd stage in the contest to determine who will challenge Donald Trump for the White House later this year the veteran left wing senator confirmed his front runner status by finishing ahead of Pete but in Jay and Senator Amy Klobuchar the former Vice President Joe Biden was 5th Mr Saunders told his supporters his radical agenda was gaining momentum our campaign is large just about beating trump it is about transforming this country. It is about having the courage to take on Wall Street Theater sure it's companies the drug companies the fossil fuel industry the military industrial complex. It's emerged there's another health care worker is among the 8 people have tested positive for the new corona virus in the u.k. The unnamed person is a member of staff who works at the accident and emergency department of where the hospital in West Sussex the Department of Health says all services at the hospital are operating normally a local doctor from Brighton is one of the other 7 confirmed u.k. Cases. The media regulator Ofcom is set to become Britain's 1st Internet watchdog with the power to punish tech companies which expose users to harmful or illegal material the move includes plans to impose a statutory duty of care on firms which publish user generated content such as Facebook and Youtube the culture secretary lady Morgan says she's confident that major international tech giants will agree to abide by British law there are many platforms I did he would not have wanted regulation I think that's changing I think they understand now that actually regulation is coming it's a complicated area that we want to get right and we are trying to change behaviors here but also making sure our most vulnerable people when they see hateful harmful content online they are protected the Equality and Human Rights Commission has warned the government it could face legal action over its repeated failure to move thousands of people with learning disabilities and autism have to secure hospitals in England the commission says the Department of Health has breached human rights legislation by consistently missing targets to place vulnerable people in more appropriate homes in the community the development says it is determined to continue reducing the number of people in mental health hospitals. NATO defense ministers will meet in Brussels today where they're expected to agree an expansion of its training mission in Iraq the move could see some international troops which from the u.s. Led coalition to a NATO badged mission following calls from President Trump for the Lions to do more in the Middle East. The U.K.'s National Statistics said that next year's census may be the last one to be carried out the cost of the compulsory survey which has taken place for almost 200 years has doubled since 2011 so in Diamond said he was hopeful that other sources could be used such as the Ordinance Survey council tax records and g.p. Lists to replicate the findings of the census in a less costly way. A painting by David Hockney is sold at auction for more than 23000000 pounds the splash was created by the British artist in 1966 as part of a series of 3 Melanie Gallus from the newspaper says the splash is very recognizable it's not quite the Mona Lisa or the I got some flowers whatever one says but you know it's David Hockney and he's a bit of a national treasure but it's also painted at a time of his life when you can see the exuberance in a young gay man who is left Bradford in London and seen that the color The liked the more liberal society of California the news this morning and with the weather again he's Helen said thank you we've had snow falling and drifting his feet gone through cheese dash into Wednesday and strong winds therefore we do have a real hazard of ice after about this morning even where we haven't had too many shells if the surface is a damp it could well be a tad slippery but we've got a slight change today bump of high pressure is moving in it'll be an aid to slightly easing this brisk wind we've had and bring fewer showers that is not a dry day settling for example across Wales and the whole of southern England will probably have a little bit more cloud feeding a few more she. Now is through on that westerly breeze today but this is a it isn't improving picture for most parts here we'll see some good spells sometimes especially through the morning after that chilly start. For the Midlands for eastern England and for the North East of England with the probably the best of the sunshine here in the fewest fewest of the showers but even so the still a breeze morning that could bring the odd wintry showers for a particular around the Manchester region coming down through the Cheshire gap and across the penance but yes hopefully easing as the afternoon ways aren't highs today probably about 7 more likely around 4 or 5 for most of us Northern Ireland Northwest ignorable can see the continuation of the snow showers over moderately high hills so only 150 meters which covers quite a few of the higher roads here but the recent sunshine of course between those showers and fewer of them than yesterday highs about 3 or 4 degrees Celsius and a very similar story actually for Scotland where we do have a real rush of showers particularly the north and they off relatively low level so just expect that to continue to pile up and blow around in the wind despite the winds easing it's going to take most of the day I think cross the North of Scotland at least a fairly effect So a chilly 2 degrees at best and certainly some ice to watch out for us to say this morning as an added hazard that snow to that thanks Helen take a look at the papers both here and abroad a number of American titles assess the decision by the u.s. Justice Department to override the recommendations of its own prosecutors by seeking a shorter prison sentence for the president President Trump's former advisor Roger Stone The Wall Street Journal says officials proposed a more lenient sentence to President Trump criticize the original request that stone spend more than 7 years behind bars USA Today says the backtracking was met with a swift backlash as for lawyers who prepared the sentencing recommendation abruptly quit the prosecution team according to The New York Times one prosecutor resigned all together the Washington Post says the developments are raise questions about politicization of the Justice Department with former officials characterizing the abrupt shift on the case as an egregious example of the president manipulating federal law enforcement to serve his political interests. Back home the Guardian says Boris Johnson has staked his political reputation on delivering in his words a new anatomy of British transport after deciding to give the go ahead to h.s. To and from his massive new spending on infrastructure the Express agrees suggesting the move is the prime minister's biggest gamble yet the Financial Times warns that a fresh approach to managing h s 2 is Agent Lee needed but argues the long term benefits of the project are worth the risk according to The Times Boris Johnson was furious last night after judges stopped 25 serious and dangerous offenders from being deported to Jamaica Downing Street is said to fear they could win bail and be back on the streets of Britain within 48 hours. A speech by the b.b.c. Chairman is previewed by the Daily Telegraph which says to David Clemente will warn that Britain will be weakened if the t.v. License fee is reformed the paper thinks the remarks are likely to antagonize the government as it considers plans to turn the broadcaster into a subscription service. And the mail highlights a warning by the new chief medical officer that the n.h.s. Risks being overwhelmed by a surge in the number of patients aged over 65 and with the headline don't turn me into a scapegoat the mirror says the British business been identified as a so-called super spreader of the new coronavirus face a backlash over his innocent role in the break. What a business that appealed by Google against a multi-billion European Union and the competitive fine gets underway today with the details is Andrew Wood thanks the European Commission said 2 years ago that Google unfairly favored its own services when people used the search engine to compare prices of items that it said broke rules to promote fair competition and to protect consumers so it fined Google the equivalent of 2000000000 pounds today's legal appeal against the penalty is that the general quarter of Luxembourg on the one side will be Google and a lot be in company and on the other will be the European Commission backed by Germany and 8 other members of the European Union Google has 2 more appeals against other European decisions accusing it of acting on competitively. From May the 1st energy customers will automatically receive 30 pounds if there are mistakes or delays when they switch gas or electricity suppliers the regulator off James says this will protect customers and give them more confidence to change suppliers markets now 1st currencies the pound buys $1.00 and $1.00 euro $18.08 that means one euro is worth $84.00 pence shares and on Wall Street last night the Dow Jones Industrial Average was just about unchanged at 29276 back home for 100 share index in London yesterday close to point 7 percent higher at 7479 shares in Asia generally higher Tom Stevenson at Fidelity world investment says investors are increasingly optimistic that China will announce policies to blunt the economic effects of the c.e.o. Of the coded 19 coronavirus outbreak we are definitely beginning to see an economic impact that's the interesting conundrum facing investors at the moment is the growing importance of China in the global economy if you go back to the SARS virus in 2003 there were something like 20000000 Chinese who traveled outside the country last year it was 130000000. And in Hong Kong the Hang Seng index is currently one percent higher at $27851.00. Things are true or not sporting with the latest on the race for promotion to the Premier League is Joe passons Leeds United strictly run as Championship promotion contenders continues after a one all draw with Brant for her 4th lead stay 2nd but Fullam could go above them if they win at Millwall deceiving Nottingham Forest Trail Brantford on goal difference after a one nil home defeat to Charlton West Bromwich Albion who are 3 points clear at the top player reading the c evening in the Scottish Premiership Aberdeen move up to 3rd of the $31.00 win at how will turn the world heavyweight boxing champion Deonte Wilder believes Tyson Fury is scared and will be having sleepless nights before their rematch for Wilder's w.b.c. Belt in Las Vegas later this month their bout in December 28th seen ended in a controversial draw and informant a one the Ferrari manager Metabo Not so says Sebastian Vettel remain the team's 1st choice for the future despite reports that the current world champion Lewis Hamilton could join the Italian stable next season. Well finally let's take a look at some of the stories that are making news on this date in the past in 1554 Lady Jane Grey was beheaded in the Tower of London after being convicted of high treason the teenager was proclaimed Queen of England after the death of her cousin Ed with the 6th but was deposed just 9 days later by supporters of Edward Sister Mary the 1st. In 1967 police raided the Sussex home of the Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards looking for illegal drugs Richards in the band singer Mick Jagger were later jailed for drug offenses before their sentences were quashed on appeal. To 10 year old boys abducted and murdered a 2 year old toddler in Merseyside in 1903 James Bulger went missing during a shopping trip with his mother in Bootle his body was found 2 days later in 1904 fever broke into the National Gallery in Oslo and stole the scream the most famous painting by the Norwegian artist Edward monk the us President Bill Clinton was acquitted by the Senate in his impeachment trial in 1999 he'd been accused of perjury and obstruction of justice and that runs of this morning's news briefing here on b.b.c. Radio 4 time now have a prayer for the day presented by the Reverend Cheryl Maybin good morning in the eighty's there were mugs and tourist kitsch printed with the words all the world's queer say the enemy and even these about queer. These things I pondered as a child what does it mean to judge others as odd Why is my normal the measure of their strangeness queerer only meant stranger on usual them at least it did my world yet it felt almost that even the other person in our club of they and me turned out to be different a bit strange. Before the war crimes trial of Eichman he was assessed as being more normal than the average person and yet this man had been capable of participating uncritically and wholeheartedly in organizing the deaths of thousands and thousands of Jews and other so-called undesirables as part of the Nazi final solution like man wanted to be a success to belong and these terms normality as clearly overrated if it doesn't give us the strength of character to subvert evil to treat an enemy with compassion and humanity then normality may become a self-righteous self justifying mask for great hatred if I do not want to be a bit queer I might like adults I can simply obey orders leave unjust laws unchallenged and condemn thousands to death or unnecessary suffering but in order to truly love our own people we must recognize how other people's welfare depends on our compassion integrity and courage God whose face is reflected in every human being make us eccentric and our commitment to love every person every nationality every idiosyncrasy make us as odd and as compassionate as Jesus Amen. That was perfectly day with the Reverend chair or maybe this is because ready for the farming today with Underhill Good morning wildlife groups pledge to continue their efforts to reduce the impact of the h.s. To on the environment despite it getting the go ahead we'll have more Latin little later 1st though all this week we're looking at how awful it is stored in preserved before it reaches the supermarket shelves a major commercial problem in the potato industry is post harvests prompting sprouting potatoes a frustrating for consumers but also costly for the industry the herbicide used by producers to suppress sprouting is called Pro from or c.i. P c which has been used since the one $960.00 s. But it's now being bound by the e.u. As of this year the European Commission is concerned it could be a risk to consumers at Cranfield University researchers are working on alternative ways to prolong potato dormancy Emily Hughes went to meet Dr Marie Carmen Alomar to find out about the work in progress. Here at crime good university research is analyzing thousands of potatoes each week they're looking at ways to increase their storage life and to prevent them from spouting. And now the world's smallest utilized this pressure person was a can come called c a p c It binds to not only potatoes but to everything so we buy into pellets walls of the storage room and that can cause cross contamination if you're use in the room to store the crops afterwards the problem now is that the ca p.c. Has been formally banned so they potatoes that are now being the straw are the last ones that have been c.r.t.c. Treated from the neck see so no more potatoes would be able to be treated with the accuracy when we consider diet 89 percent of u.k. Potatoes have been ca p.c. Treated that's a big problem big challenge that now the industry the potato industry needs to address. And from your research so far want to be the most viable alternatives so they are tentative like c o 2 essential oils at the end at the end is one of the research lines that we've been working on could we have a look at these books and explain to me exactly what's going on in the different books in stores so if I open this book for you so this is what a seal storage box in this case we have boxes with only air or boxes with a theological mentation and ethylene is one of the things you are trying as a replacement for the i.p.c.c. Secondly we do know about this protein our research now is trying to see and understand the mechanisms behind that effect on potato to so that we can optimize the technology for the benefit of potato industry. That report by Emily Hughes according to the thumb safety foundation 84 percent of farmers who are under the age of 40 believe mental health is the biggest hidden problem they face this week the foundation is running its annual mind your head campaign. Horning on the farming community to look after their mental health Charlotte Smith spoke to Dr Peter a can at the Oxford Farming Conference last month is the clinical lead for suicide prevention in n.h.s. England South-West working to help promote rural communities the main change in thinking when it comes to suicide prevention is that because it is a rare event and it's widely distributed across a large population of people the whole community really needs to understand how to identify a vulnerable person how to ask the right questions know how to make an intervention and bring that person to help so I'm interested to meet people across the sector who could perhaps identify leaders in the in the community who could take on this challenge and we've had some considerable success around the coast for example with life put personnel and fisherman working through those communities of interest to find the right leaders to identify people who are vulnerable and maybe train up some of those people who are routinely visiting farms who have a reason to be there yes and I'm learning that perhaps that's the tanker driver or the bank man or whoever it is that makes it makes a visit out to the farm to make sure that they're equipped with the skills to recognise vulnerability and know how to make an intervention that's quite a small thing isn't it from a non expert person is that enough while it's the most important part of the opportunity so what we've learned is that it doesn't take terribly much to turn 8 or 10 people back in the direction of safety often it can be as simple as a sign or a conversation something quite quite social and quite normal for people so really that's what we're attempting to do across the 1000000 people who live in Devon is find a way to make sure a bit like with cardiac arrest or stroke management people would know what to do if they met a vulnerable person how much is this about rural isolation. Well rely solution will be a contributing factor because isolation loneliness and hopelessness are 3 very important factors improvement to health and make people vulnerable so what we're interested in is to have a think about how bringing people with mental health problems out to farms using social prescription might also benefit the community on the farm partly because it'll increase the number of social relationships that they can have but I'm quite excited at the prospect that that will bring mental health expertise out with it from the towns and cities so this will be a 2 way thing because till now we've really seen that as a one way thing at farmers opening up their farm opening up areas of the countryside to people who need that mental space but actually you're saying it could be more important than that for the farmer Yes And the reason I say that is it's become quite apparent when working with other new communities of interest that the experience of caring and the experience of being involved can be very positive thing for people so our thesis is that if we can encourage farmers and farm workers to take an interest in people vulnerability coming out to make use of the green space that then turn will take some personal strength and gain from the interaction and I think that will be the beginning of something. Dr Peter it can talking to Charlotte Smith refugees a Saturday campaign in Jordan have joined up with a team of scientists from Sheffield to grow fresh food in old mattress foam the foam works as a substrate the food is grown using hydroponics this solves 2 problems at once recycling the old mattresses which are piling up in the camp and creating a way to grow fresh food where the soil is too poor for crops b.b.c. News science correspondent Victoria Gill has been to the camp to meet the refugees many of whom are former Syrian farmers and find out how the system is working. This is where else died the 1st time we care and it was all about how can we deal with all this stuff what can we turn it into. Professor Tony Ryan from the University of Sheffield is here in Saturday on a sustainability mission and the contents of one warehouse gave him an idea that sparked something of a green revolution in the camp a mountain of foam mattresses problems who attempt 1000 of them one of us there are while Ok and I had to clamber up to get one back on but I was so excited because I knew what we could do with them I just started a Ph d. Student working on how to grow things in earlier with and so I sent the most text message we're going to be able to grow stuff all over we'll be able to turn these beds into greeting beds and everyone can have their own dad. That's where he was supposed to be a temporary place a camp officially opened in 2012 the people fleeing Syria and the violence of civil war but it's evolved into a city of more than 80000 people and the un refugee agency now has to think about the longer term here giving people the chance to grow their own food is a key part of that most families have these small prefabricated houses and a very very limited space and a limited plot so the ability to cultivate any kind of land and have your own garden just seems impossible here. 80 per cent of the people here and I get that your background my own from the un refugee agency says that being able to grow food is helping people recapture a piece of their lost livelihood so that's why it is very salty no end up for. Those thousands of foam mattresses according to Tony with a solution chunks of foam could be used instead of soil and hydroponic gardens so you can use 20 percent of the water that you take to grow something in the ground because the water's. Not running away it's being kept where it is needed. This one of the systems that's on display essentially to show what can be done with these hydroponics but it's amazing because everything here is recycled so the whole water circulation system is made up of all drainpipe in every plant so this is just really looks green chili plants in every single plant is growing in an old coffee cup that's just got to have a Mattress Firm holding it in place and then the water and it also thank you so much thank you for inviting us into your home it's so green Muhammadiyah foos is just one of more than a 1000 people here who's now created his own hydroponic garden out of recycled plastic tubs and mattress from a garden where he now teaches his son and daughter how to grow vegetables. What's being done here in a desert camp with such a limited resources could have much wider implications for urban environments in the future we could all end up living like this you know as climate change plays out knows what's going to happen. For my other this is about the people who lost the only homes they knew and trying to build a future here in Saturday that report from Victoria Gill in Jordan h s 2 is going ahead of the announcements being welcomed by many businesses along the route but the Wildlife Trusts say the rail lines will destroy and divide huge swathes of irreplaceable natural habitats according to the organization 100 may woodlands or risk and 21 nature reserves could also be affected Nicky Williams The Wildlife Trusts director of campaigns and policy if they came to change their campaign now h s 2 has got the green light what we're looking for is for them to redesign their approach when it comes to wildlife and wild spaces considering how the engineering has to come up with some of the solutions more green bridges more connections and most importantly making some really serious changes to their design for example you . Shouldn't be putting temporary works into irreplaceable habitats like meadows or ancient woodland but we know that that's happening there are some big changes they need to make and the sad thing about their announcement there was not one acknowledgement from Boris Johnson about that devastating impact that the current will have people know that the climate crisis is linked with how we look after and take care of our wildest spaces and so it's really important that now high speed to limited its game and starts to genuinely look at how it's not going to be so destructive in its construction. But climate change also means we need to have greener transport options as well do you recognize that 100 percent we recognize that the Wildlife Trust have said from the very beginning we want to see high speed to as the exemplar green infrastructure solution and you do not achieve solving the climate crisis by creating an ecological crisis and that is what they will do it's unacceptable to create areas local areas of extinction which is what could happen if they carry on as they are destroying irreplaceable happy tat disconnecting spaces that wildlife moves around in you know this is where our fresh air comes from this is where some of our happiest and most important places are for people's health and wellbeing this isn't just about worrying about fluffy animals this is a whole connection that comes back to was as people within our own communities 66000 people signed your letter to the government what can individuals do now to prevent their local wildlife sites from being affected so we're saying to people that keep an eye out on what is happening because a lot of the works as they start to take place will be happening around spring time they're happening now we are having reports that there are trees coming down where there's nesting birds etc So you have a wildlife crime officer local to you we need to make sure that the right licenses are in place so if things are starting to happen during important nesting season it's such a for a wildlife then we need to get that report to treat people like Natural England as well. Williams there from the Wildlife Trust that's all from us this morning I'm on a hill the producer in Bristol is Chris Fenton got ready for treats of the day premiums and encounters them during duck. You don't normally expect to find a flamboyantly ornate duck with flashes of orange blue green and white peppers what lying around on your lawn now do you. For the last 15 years a pair of Mandarin ducks have visited my garden usually in April and May They feed under the table and roost on one of the palms one year they pretended to be an hour and nested in the Alps that was slung from a large Sycamore much to my surprise when I went to check the box out the female and a bevy of ducklings which bounced around the tree and bottled across the lawn with the pack looking for food. How I always think it odd to see a duck perched in a tree but it happens regularly at my garden. The ducks fly overhead at dusk and dawn often daily in spring they have a distinctive cold while flying so you always know where they are about. The males have the most magnificent plumage with long orange feathers on the side their face and orange sails on their back. Mandarin ducks hail originally from the Far East. A feral population established in the last century in Great Britain now number some 7000 individuals in winter peak district where I live is one of their strongholds in the region but I've also seen them on the river Wolf in the Yorkshire Dales. And tomorrow I will hear all about the common pigeon. Long Wave on digital radio and on b.b.c. Sons this is b.b.c. Radio 4. It's 6 o'clock on Wednesday the 12th of February Good morning this is today with Justin Webb and Martha Conny the headlines this morning the Public Health says one of the 8 people diagnosed with Corona virus in the u.k. Works at a hospital Accident and Emergency Department left wing Senator Bernie Sanders has won the latest Democratic Party primaries staking his claim to challenge Donald Trump for the White House also in today's program by the pope might be about to change the rules on celibacy in the priesthood and feeding the trolls David Baddiel on why he engages with online abuse b.b.c. News read this morning by stepson's a health care worker at a hospital in West Sussex is one of the 8 confirmed cases of Corona virus in the u.k. .

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