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Up all night the tragic story of the people whose lives. Trailer. Where did their individual. Who did they trust themselves to and why did they call it was. Just before midnight the bodies of 50 Chinese people were discovered in the back of. It among them to survivors who told a tale of paying a Chinese smuggler. A piece to be smuggled to the u.k. From China. Police have just begun the process of trying to identify those 39 bodies found in a refrigerated lorry trailer in Essex it arrived in Purfleet on the Thames from Belgium and the earlier as a Wednesday ambulance staff the sky over the bodies one of whose is a teenager just over an hour later at war certainly didn't just show Park in grays in Essex 25 year old man from Northern Ireland has been arrested on suspicion of murder our special correspondent at Thomas sent the support from Gray's the lorry and only 39 people still inside the container have been removed from this part of Gray's now and as it moved along this road here police officers bowed their heads in silence we've seen senior detectives visibly upset so what they've witnessed here today but now their focus is on getting answers who with those people on board and who put them inside that container Well a lorry tray trailer as we said it come from Saber in Belgium from where our Europe Correspondent Damian Grammaticus filed this report what we've heard is from the prosecutors here in Belgium the federal prosecutors have opened their own inquiry now they are in contact with the u.k. With police in the u.k. And they are beginning their inquiries what they say is that they do believe the truck Oh that trailer came through here what they do not know is where it originated where those people might have got on board whether that was in Belgium and how long it spent it spent in Belgium all things that they want to try to identify. Amalie Kenway is a senior advisor for the charity focus on labor exploitation aims art and trafficking for labor exploitation she told me what she thought when she 1st heard about all these deaths obviously I have the same reaction as everyone which is this is completely horrific but then because it's because my job makes me fairly familiar with this kind of incident one of the things that really struck me was everyone is obviously very shocked by this incident today but unfortunately this is one of many incidents it's just kind of more obvious because there's lots of victims in one place and that means grace in Essex but actually if we think about it migrants are dying all the time trying to reach safety just this year alone in 2019 over a 1000 migrants have drowned in the Mediterranean so the 1st thing is kind of I reckon I said unfortunately this is part of past and it's not an anomaly. And also now as you say we don't know that much about what's actually happened the assumption is that these people migrants that they are undocumented and went out to be in the u.k. Of course we have not seen how that come from assuming that the strays I mean it's most likely that they're coming from a country where there is a reason why they need to leave so critical instability or kind of danger to themselves to poverty whatever that might be and that they have paid people to move them to a country where they thought that they would be safe and they felt really taken a very long and very frightening group unfortunately most had obviously yes I do huge risk than you maybe maybe the past helps us understand this can you think of a parallel case maybe some other tie and I you know in the distant recesses of my memory I seem to remember a lot. Cases of numbers of people being fired and dead in the back of a refrigerated Laurie Yeah that was the case in 2000. I think it was 50 to 60 people actually died. In that case so it's not the 1st time it's happened and there have been one off cases as well in the last 2 years so one migrant being found I don't see this has struck everyone because it's such a high number an interesting me something people might also be familiar with is the stories we had a lot about 3 or 4 years ago the quiet few stories of young men migrants in Cali trying to jump on the back of lorries and all that to get out of the camp and reach safety and you know that's that's a very similar circumstance actually. In reality of course you know if you and I wanted to go to another country we can take safe transport you know. And these people come and so they will find you at the route they can whether that is a very dangerous boat whether that being a doctor in the back of a lorry as we've seen today and it is desperate circumstances that push them into the situation the political language here is interesting and as politicians the prime minister for example saying that traders and human beings should be hunted Dayana brought to justice. Identifying the pappa traitors of if you like us as criminals is there any. Is any other way to look at it. Well that is there is a really interesting question. We don't know much about what happened when one of the things that could have happened is a for example these people were saying I was going we would think of them as refugees and some people would think of anyone who'd helped them escape being bombed and so on. The saving that pass and so there is potentially a totally different narrative but realistically it's quite likely that that is. Profiting from moving these people in this risky way so. There is a path to try my psyche or again and yes they do need to be brought to court to justice but the problem with thinking about it only and not way is that it completely the struck from why these people had to move in such a risky way in the same place so when we have really hard border is done even that and many refugees escaping war the u.k. Takes less than one percent of the wild refugees when we have these kind of borders that make it almost impossible for people to get in they are forced into taking routes like this and people would take advantage of that are the people who are making money from it so what we kind of doing what we are doing is constructing a market vulnerable people who can be taken advantage of by criminals so yeah the criminals need to face justice but we really need to look at why we are hunting them the opportunity to exploit people. And the. Can we who's senior advisor for the charity focus on labor exploitation. The ambassadors of $27.00 European Union member countries excluding Britain will meet again on Friday to decide on the government's supplication from extension to the U.K.'s membership mainly to decide how long that extension should be a source telling the news agency that all the ambassadors agreed on the need to offer Britain an extension they just haven't quite made up their minds on whether to make it all the way to the end of January the prime minister of course previously saying that there should be no further delay to BRICs it here is b.b.c. Europe editor catch our breaths at fatigue the e.u. Leaders say they really want to try and avoid coming back here to Brussels for another emergency breakfast at Summit So we're expecting their decision probably in writing rather than in person and again from conversations I'm I'm having here it seems although this could still change and France isn't quite on board that the e.u. Is really thinking of granting that 3 month directed extension mentions in the prime minister's extension letter except here in Brussels that stopped a flex tension because the u.k. Would not be back on to the e.u. For the full 3 months if the new breaks a deal the rest of 5 beforehand it could leave at any time before so if it's really source of as clear as this already why aren't we hearing from e.u. Leaders yet why are they keeping Westminster in suspense well for 3 main reasons 1st of all because the presidents of the European Council hasn't yet spoken to every single one of the $27.00 e.u. Leaders and don't forget each one of them has a potential veto on the extension Secondly while Boris Johnson and his government may be in a political hurry to hear from the e.u. The e.u. Is not under a similar hurry and that's also because of reason number 3 they want to send a message to the u.k. Not to take rolling by. Accept extensions for granted the e.u. Would love to attach a condition to an extension saying will only give this to you if you really try and set about ratifying the new negotiated deal please u.k. But of course legally and practically that could prove rather difficult well as Carter said there France in particular has concerns about an extension the length of any extension Mary club poor is a French m.p. Who sits on the country's national assembly Foreign Affairs Committee she told b.b.c. But she thinks keeping extension short would focus everyone's minds a longer extension would provide new ideas so more time you have when you are a member of Parliament I know how many self a member thorium and the more you want to put your mark on the takes the more you want to give a new ideas just come out here on this line here on this one so I think that no everybody is tight and we have to put our energy is something else and if there is a shot extension it would be so better for everybody we have to focus minds in something else and now the people have to spend their time to go free I would say to go quickly for the text and to check with it's compliant with the spirit of feet and then there will be some lows on the British side to apply you to 2 to transpose it into your lows but more of them all time you give again the more ideas you can you can suggest. Merry clap Paul p. Well Paul Knight's friend I know it was mooted a writes from Paris in the Daily Telegraph and I asked on Elizabeth how people in France are feeling about the bricks at the way I mean people in the street at this stage I think have given up on the idea that they wanted to stand anything scaring old. Women and McCall from the still it was very hard line and some of it was calculation and I think some of it was basically a sort of feeling of annoyance because. His aides and people around him kept on saying look the British have never played the game that never been true Europeans they wanted. Exemptions they wanted the replay 8 good riddance and that was their early on and I must say I was always fascinated by this that was even before Mom was elected I remember the man who was in charge of a whole class which is the sort of study that covers what would be the equivalent of the city of London and he said we shall feast on the caucus of the city of London meaning you know the banks will come back which was both a bit mostly very ambitious because. The city of London has goal many assets not all of which are going to be completely destroyed by projects that. Many of which I'm sure you'd say are not in Paris that's the thing isn't it there's a lot of financial infrastructure in London that isn't in Paris and those and those and when some of the people who gave that sort of reactions they would not be astute all the time the mental industry in Brussels much happened to meet at the time and they said we really will regret the Brits because when you look at financial regulation you have the Germans who want to favor the industry you've got the French Well top down government regulation. Technocratic and then you had the British law free trade and opening the markets and dairy. And the mix was good the mix was good because each was bringing sort of different tastes and all 3 what you gather to achieve something that was more or less safe and more or less daring but at least had all the components and getting you know it's not good for the rest of Europe to to not to have the Brits because it will it will get into something that it will be even more pure and thunderous than this all so some people do say that the departure of Britain is not good for the rest of Europe even for the way it's just managed let We're not even talking about. The damage to trade and and the damage to many things and international relations but just out you know when all eyes were on Parliament you know and we're watching the when and then the last yesterday the Senate was talking about this to the French Senate weren't they and they've they've been getting this pretty hard line from some French government ministers Yes and it's something that has not and they've got they've been getting it from McAllen trance you know everything that helped we had kings and we remember this and the attitude is look 1st of all. It's I mean it's a personal feeling but I get to talking with people there's a feeling that there was so much incompetence in the French are competent by not the competent but they also very arrogant about competence and they thought it's been 3 years it was not you know you they were supposed to get to something the government had trolls immigrant at home most perfectly well because you said it the French negotiator who negotiated for all of Europe the 27 on this there would be delegations from from parliament yes into his office after 2 and a half years and in his office they would oral So the idea that please do get your act together is is to some extent a little understandable Well look let's suppose for a minute there is actually a negotiated breaks that the owner does take place before Christmas. And then let's just park that if it happens and if it happens in the fullness of time because it's only really the beginning of the whole process how is France going to be affected economically other bits of France that are going to suffer more than other bits they're all bits of France that are going to suffer because. Britain is one of our closest trading partners Britain has got the highest trade deficit with rolls of all trading partners with France so really I mean it's we're not we're not happy about the whole thing you could areas of France that were counted hand with the British and of course you think of Britain in Normandy because there will be a massive problem with fishing and fishing rights when Britain the the e.u. But British fisherman fish fish that the British do not eat and I'm sure there's a Gilbert and Sullivan line in. There the fish come out but they don't they're on the dinner table import fish that you like eating and they say you sent us the fish but you finish and those are entirely. Packets retreated etc in factories in towns and Brittany that do nothing else so the idea that you know you can have a ghost because for a bit because the capacity is there but the fish can't cross and fish is a very good example because it doesn't last very long you know you can have a car as a Frigidaire when you think right Ok well wait for 2 years 2 months it's really annoying 3 months but they will be the same state at the end of it fish you know it doesn't take long to to spoil so that's really something that worries everyone well tell us a little bit about the sense of of you know other countries and in Europe I think they're all going to the French Quarter here very hard line stance here will surely sort of how do the French feel knowing that there is going to be some. Resistance to their recession. That's a real problem because. When he can paint 2 and a half years ago for the presidency and he had this really amazing picture if you had as many loon gold European flags in his rowdies as you had French flags he's really the French French 1st French politician who complain on Europe as being a great and positive thing and you know he got elected and that was a great deal of goodwill waiting for him. And what's amazing is that he has to some extent trampled the expectations fast but not only of Germany Chancellor Merkel is wily is a very. Good she knows perfectly well that the German industry the car industry etc would suffer from a hard line from a whole new deal and therefore she's always said what's important is getting to something that's manageable for everyone she has no ego who is a very un French way of looking at things she is a consensus person and she had to reach a consensus in her own country because the opposition has you know you asked the opposition what they think about and you work on this together she you asked different London who got different interest the different regions in Germany who all have different economic effect all of this is a long process of discussion and getting to to a point and in front of the boat you know the chief says and that's the president the president say what he wants and you put up or shut up and there was a feeling that Emanuel McColl thought Ok I've told under the Merkel she didn't say no and therefore it's all done and that is not what is happening in toll the other thing is that you've got other European countries that have their own beef with Europe but they feel like the French that you can best fight the problems within Europe and not from the outside where you have no influence at all. I'm Lizabeth. And if you are I'm blushing night I ran to buy it a I don't know 10 minutes to 5 last night you might have had the side of your humble present anything a good deal of humble pie when it came to the Washington Nationals who scored a convincing victory over there Pierce Nasser's in the 1st game of baseball World Series Well let us find out what's going on tonight in game 2 of the World Series as for fresh I'm rejoined Seth Bennett's Loceff. Good evening. In the massage like says like a football tribe more than a baseball. Fan So you want the people and the atmosphere has been relaxed now and the Spice Girls was fabulous and we Washington Nationals I should say and I'm rooting very hard Austrade so much will rule he was the 1st back south young then and I mean to smash the ball down the last 3 on the line and then on top of that Anthony Rendon was able to double in both minutes with a hot it will on off the wall and it just means that the stadium that was posing that had Simone Biles out the gold medalists the superstar gymnasts and he said Mason was rushing through the 1st chapter this place was absolutely rocking and then all was sort of the 1st 3 basses gets on base to run school and Houston is starting to the right to be a very very long nights and on top of that and then she remembered the line that did my she get himself out of that 1st thing that they then so do a shred of consider why and he struck out so we're now only 2nd Bassa for was anybody was. I. Think. It's a it's a very very noisy field but you know how they are so if they you can if you can control these fabs and just tell them to pipe tight a bit while you're telling us a most exciting news that we have absolutely brilliant but they're. There we have a double a. Yes out survey to 2nd base so he's marshaling that the minutes of figure is mostly in the dice pass right now and hoping that he's going to be able to get Rahm a school and caucus deficit I get to sit on the white and you feel like I said if he needs something right now this is a best of 7 series The last thing I want to write I use trying to steal and he was thrown outs and so I did have a road or a 2nd and now they have nobody on base with probably by so happening Rob is also having Well why didn't you make this claim to I say art of stealing a base which is what he was trying to do when he was thrown out. Crikey wrote I'm 6 face in about 18 stone another guy could ever steal a base not a whole lot to still be a party here all that but essentially Steve I'm still in the base is when when you're on base you're looking to to nick your way around the base paths and what you're watching is for the pitcher to to drool back in the wind up and you'll betting that you can reach the next base before like a wind throw it reaches the catcher and then the Tkachuk and throw it to the 3rd base in this case it is one of the shorter throws that the catches tonight and it was a rea

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