From germanys die welt. Welcome to you all. Lets begin with britains exit from the European Union. Last summer, by a margin of 52 to a8, people here voted to leave. Theresa may wanted to stay in the eu, but now she has the task of negotiating notjust brexit, as its become known, but also a trade deal with europe. Since 1973, britains laws have absorbed growing quantities of regulations devised between the 28 member countries, on which a court in luxembourg has the final say. Those who want to stay argue this pooling of sovereignty has made it easier to trade and has created new protections in areas like employment or consumer rights. Supporters of brexit say its simply a case of taking back control. Michael gove, you were a supporter of brexit, a big advocate during last years campaign. On wednesday, the tone was sadness on all sides. By friday it had become steely. Michael gove, should we be preparing for a long and bloody war between the two sides before the deal is reached . I think we should be preparing for a professional and hard edged negotiation which at the end of it will result in a Strong Partnership between both sides. It is absolutely the case that while donald tusk expressed his sadness that britain was leaving, he is also clear that he wants at the end of this process, all european negotiators want at the end of this process, a Free Trade Deal between britain and europe and the preservation of Security Cooperation and other links which are in all our interests. I suspect that when historians come to look back on britains membership of the European Union, they will see those ao odd years as an anomaly in britains history, and they will conclude that people like Hugh Gaitskell and Charles De Gaulle were right, that we were destined to be friendly but separate. Is that right, Stefanie Bolzen . I came across a sentence by winston churchill, who said if we ever had to choose between europe and the open sea, we will always choose the open sea. So we are now out there on the open sea, and we have seen by the answer of the president of european council, but immediately the tone here in britain has changed, and one is talking about provocation by the eu 27, going down the path of war, and letsjust say it is a sensitive situation we are in, and i think everybody who is a stakeholder is to be treating us with a lot of responsible for. How much, stephanie baker, do you think we are at brinkmanship . We had those from britain saying we must do the two things together, we must have our divorce negotiations but also our Trade Agreement running side by side, and brussels says, Angela Merkel says, divorce first and then we talk trade. I think this shows you how complex these negotiations will be. They cant even agree on process, let alone the issues at hand. There was some hope, and some people expressing hope that theresa mays letter to donald tusk this week might have led to some kind of Associate Membership that was voiced in various quarters, but remembershe did reiterate her stance that she does not want the uk in the Single Market or the Customs Union because she wants to be able to negotiate Free Trade Agreements with other countries. But this is the issue that worries businesses the most. If you look at what businesses are doing and how they are reacting to this, they are re evaluating business in the uk and implementing their contingency plans, and you already see the big players in the city of london, lloyds of london, goldman sachs, Opening Offices on the continent, shifting jobs, and you will see a slow burn. Now you see theresa may finally recognising, she finally mentioned it in her letter to donald tusk, that Financial Services are important to the uk economy, and donald tusk pushed back, saying we will not give any special deals for specific sectors. So she has overpromised the british people on what is possible, and i think it will be hard for her to deliver. And difficult for her party, as well, michael gove, because she was a remainer, and she has to convince them that she is now committed to brexit, there will be people in the party who say, we cannot compromise on this, people will be trying to do the negotiation almost on her behalf. The Prime Minister will face pressures from people who feel strongly on either side of the debate, but she is in a stronger position domestically than any other leader in western strongly on either side of the debate, but she is in a stronger position domestically than any other leader in western europe, she is 19 points ahead of her principal opposition and doesnt face an election. So of course there are domestic waters to navigate, but actually, theresa goes into these negotiations with a united and solid Conservative Party behind her, a labour party incapable of providing opposition, and with a country, including those who voted remain, pretty solidly convinced that we now have to proceed with our departure. Pretty solidly convinced that we now more than that, she also has the good will of a variety of International Partners outside the European Union as well. So of course in these negotiations there will be give and take, but i think its important not to underestimate the strength of the position the Prime Minister is in. How prepared are they to negotiate with the other 27 . Angela merkel has been adamant on separating the process first. First we talk about the divorce, and that is mainly the status of eu citizens in the uk and on the continent, but it is also about the money. Somebody in berlin said to me this week, its a question of trust. The british Prime Minister will have to give something very substantial in the beginning, and i wonder when you say she is strong domestically, but she will get a lot of grief about that. This did for yourformer boss, david cameron, because he got his renegotiation, and everybody said, that is not very impressive, he had to give away too much. There is a willingness to give the Prime Minister the benefit of the doubt. The point about divorce first and trade second is those elements of the divorce that have been mentioned by Michel Barnier are all areas that we want to see progress on as well. He said that he wants to make sure that the position of eu citizens in the uk and uk citizens in the eu is settled, we want that as quickly as possible. He also said we dont want a hard border between Northern Ireland and the republic, we want to ensure that. And its also clear that, while the nature of what britain might pay in the future, the sum is not going to be resolved rapidly, and it is also clear from other european Prime Ministers that they dont want the sum resolved necessarily rapidly to be able to move on to other talks, they just want an acknowledgement of the fact that britain will play its part in making sure that the European Union budget which wont be revisited until 2021 will be resolved satisfactorily. How do you think they will be looking at this in moscow, Alexander Nekrassov . This is the European Union that britain was part of for nearly half a century, and it seems to be fractured. I appear on Russian Television to explain to the russian people what is going on here and what is going on with europe generally. The feeling is that there is a project fear continuing in britain, for example the remainers have not been told how much it will cost by the brexiters if they pull out. And how will it cost britain . Nobody talks about that. Secondly, i think the remainers and the brexiters are being allowed a voice and having more time, whereas the brexiters seem to be apologising all that time, apologising to leave. I am glad that we voted to leave, but i also recognise that, having voted to leave, we have to respect the rights and priorities of the eu 27, so i want us to be in a position where we at the end of this process remain friends and partners. So i think it is very important for those of us who argued that we should leave the European Union to respect the right of the eu 27 to respect their own priorities and implement their victory in their way. You mentioned finances, alexander. There are big elections coming up, and one outcome in france could be if Marine Le Pen were to win. The euro would be in trouble. I think her chances are very slim. She would have never gone to moscow with the visit a few weeks before the elections, because that is basically suicidal. That does mean she has no chance. But coming back to the europe thing, the important thing to understand is that everybody has concentrated on britain, britain is entering troubled waters, nobody knows whats going to happen. Europe is entering the same waters. Nobody knows in europe what to do. My personal opinion is that europe is more terrified than britain, because of what might happen when this country leaves them. I think they are absolutely terrified. In my personal opinion, britain should have slammed the door in europes face and said, we are leaving, if you dont give us what we want, we just walk away, europe will sink. Can i just interrupt . I am german and going a lot to germany and other european countries, and i do not find anybody who was terrified because the uk is leaving, because the uk leaving europe is doomed. Not europe, the eu. Even the eu. Germany has never had such low unemployment since 1991. It is in a very good place. Germany was profiting from the eu, the only country that was. Poland is going well, austria. I think its time for everyone to say that the project benefited germany most of all. Lets be fair. Lets be honest about it. Why are we always pussyfooting around this . This is not about pussyfooting. Germany is terrified, merkel is terrified of britain leaving, because it can start a chain reaction. So why did we see so much unity after the 23rd ofjune 2016 . There is no unity. No . If there was unity, they would already be in a position, they have had nine months after the referendum, they could have worked out. There is no position, no unity, they dont know what to do. And i suppose the thing, michael gove, is the situation, because of the elections in the summer in france and the autumn in germany, serious negotiations without knowing who is in charge in france and germany cant really start until after that, can they . Certain things can be resolved. It is the case that concern among some french politicians and german politicians about what they might term populism would mean that they would not want to be seen to be Giving Britain too much forfear of encouraging those populist movements. However, i sense that both in france and in germany, the surge of Marine Le Pen or the Alternative Fur Deutschland has been capped, and whatever the long term future, in the medium term there is confidence that Emmanuel Macron will be french president and Angela Merkel will remain as chancellor. And there was a lot of confidence last summer that Hillary Clinton would be president of the United States yes, but i think the leaders of the eu feel more comfortable in their skins and more prepared to deal with britain in a businesslike way rather than having to look over their shoulder at insurgents in their own back yard. Stephanie baker, we are back again one way or another to the question of the money. There has to be a dealfrom the eu 27 Point Of View that doesnt make being outside the European Union more attractive than being in it, and whether it or not you are right, alexander, about other countries looking for an exit, there is always that fear that once one country has left, it was supposed to never happen and it is happening. But in terms of agreeing the money, there have to be compromises. Has anybody done any proper analysis as to how much britain should be paying to leave . There was a report of an estimated 25 30 billion as a figure. That is a bargaining position. It is, which is why theresa may might be prepared to pay more for future access, but this has never been done before, so we dont know, what is the trade off . I will give you eu pensions if you give me the wine cellar . There are so many variables that need to be worked out, which is why she wants, sensibly, to do it simultaneously. Obviously from the eu 27s Point Of View, uk wants to leave, thats fine, all they care about is the terms of departure. They dont need to give a future Free Trade Agreement with the uk. That is a secondary issue. And speaking to your point, i think brexit is all consuming in this country, and i dont think it is in the other european capitals. It is lower down in the pecking order, and they think it has in some sense, given the fallout from the referendum, encouraged a degree of unity and taken the wind out of the sails of some of these populist movements on the continent. And recently, you see every weekend in germany thousands and thousands of people going on the street and protesting in favour of europe, so i still cant see why you think every german will think the eu is doomed. I think to be fair germany, because of the way in which the euro was constructed, has had an advantage, and i think the unhappiness within the European Union, and again i recognise it is for eu countries to resolve their own fate, is in the south greece, portugal, italy, spain where the pain of the single currency has been felt. And we have this to talk about for months and months lets move east. Corruption is not a word you hear used much in british politics. Even the European Unions critics are more inclined to accuse its bureaucrats of waste and of not supervising properly how the money is spent rather than of ripping off member countries and lining their own pockets. In russia, though, last weekend alexei navalny, the most prominent of a relatively small number of politicians to publicly oppose President Putin, produced a report accusing dmitry medvedev, Prime Minister turned president turned Prime Minister again, of corruption. He urged people to take to the streets to protest. For muscovites, that resulted in more than 1,000 arrests. The week ended with mr navalny serving the start of a 15 day prison sentence. Those who go outside the law must be punished, growled mr putin, from the arctic. Alexander, there are going to be more protests, inevitably. That is the nature of the beast, once protests have started, they always continue. What will be the russian response . Were already seeing handcuffs on mr navalny. Do they keep ratcheting up that reaction . Corruption is a problem in russia. Nobody will deny this. But russia is one of the few countries in the world, maybe china as well, where big politicians or cabinet ministers, actually, bankers, governors of vast regions are arrested and put injailfor corruption. Give me another example of any country in the Western World where such things happen . I do not know about such things. There is a war on corruption, but unfortunately, this Corruption Problem has a western angle to it. You probably read about the russian Money Laundering in london and other places in the west. U nfortu nately, western ba nks are open to such money. Unfortunately, the problem is that some of these officials, quite a few of them in russia, all these sort of criminals, they move that money to the west. Until the west helps russia and the banks stop accepting billions and billions of dollars coming from russia, to fight Corruption In Russia is very difficult. It is the same with china, by the way. Lots of chinese money is coming into Western Banks. Nobody asks the question, nobody says anything. As regard to the protests themselves, i must say, they were not massive. Im not trying to demean them. A thousand plus people on the streets of moscow . By russian standards, that was not Something Like we had in 2012. That was not massive. As for mr navalny, he makes Marine Le Pen look like a schoolgirl with some of his statements. Russia is only for russians, no immigrants, that sort of stuff. You have to be careful. As to my question, more of a crackdown if these protests continue . I do not really see large protests continuing. Navalny does not have the support in the country. Still, putin has vast support, 80 plus. Another thing which people here do not understand is that the more the west puts pressure on putin, the more popular he is in russia. All these sanctions, the constant reminders that russia is going to invade or attack, or interfere, like we have In Washington, russia is now deciding who the president of the us is going to be, this plays into his hands. Of course Western Banks are enabling russian corruption, there is no doubt. Of course putin is popular and will likely win re election next year, but to say that the only reason that russian corruption is continuing, that the russian authorities would crack down if it were not for the Western Banks, that is ridiculous. The corruption goes to the heart of the russian government. The protests are interesting. They are different from the last protests in 2012, partly because they spread Beyond Moscow and St Petersburg to nearly 100 russian cities, but most importantly because of the number of young people that came out to protest. Teenagers and University Students who do not get their news from russian state television. They get their news from the internet, so they are watching not only navalnys youtube channel, they are watching videos of Russian Troops in eastern ukraine. How does the russian government deal with, what does it do to stop these protests from spreading . Already we have seen the russian Prosecutor General blog internet pages of some of the protesters, calling for new protests tomorrow. Hes going to have a hard time reining in this new, young Opposition Movement that has breathed new life into what has previously been a moribund, demoralised opposition. Michael gove, youre back from washington. There was a time when america would have been very publicly saying it was on the side of the protesters on the streets. Presumably not at the moment, with the administration of President Trump, given the difficulties hes facing over the relationship between some in his Campaign Team and the russians . Yes, it is striking. The former National Security adviser, mike flynn, and the former campaign manager, they are in the downsides of congress and others because of allegations of corruption and collusion, but separate from that, or so it appears, the president and Rex Tillerson are looking for a reset. Every previous president has sought a reset with mr putin. President obama wanted one, president bush wanted one. The previous president said he thought he was a good man. I think there will be a disillusionment. Fundamentally, it is very difficult to see how any american president worth their salt can forge an understanding with putin when there are Strategic Interests are not aligned, and also when putins incursions into the ukraine and his attitude towards his neighbours is not that of the country which is respecting the National Sovereignty of other states. Europe has renewed its sanctions against russia, but there is the relationship now, or is it frozen until President Putin finally leaves office, whenever that is, Stefanie Bolzen . There is a feeling of being powerless against what is going on in russia, and we have seen protests in the past, the killing of boris nemtsov, we have seen one person go to jail. He is now living in london. There is a feeling that there is not much that we can do. In looking at what is going on In Washington, theyre probably relieved that for the time being donald trump cannot really move on russia, he cannot commit anything. He has said in the past that he would lift sanctions. But whatever he might now do towards russia will be seen in the context of what is going on. It must be very frustrating for some of those people in moscow who were celebrating when President Trump was elected, this is a man we can do business with, not like dreadful Hillary Clinton, we have seen her off, but now his hands are tied . What we are witnessing In Washington is not an attack on washington, its an attack on trump. People have missed this point. The us congress is trying, along with intelligence agencies, to unseat the us president. That is remarkable. In moscow, in the kremlin, they are quite bemused by what is going on. Putin is approaching another election next year in march. He is basically not doing anything, because the west is doing everything for him. The Election Campaign is run from london, paris, berlin and washington. There must be marginalfears among some, the word whispered, impeachment, maybe it is being said a little bit louder In Washington than it might have been a few months ago. Donald trump does not look as secure as he did. It is unlikely that he will be impeached with the republican controlled congress. This week, michael flynn, the former National Security adviser, his offer to testify before the house and Senate Intelligence committees in exchange for immunity from prosecution. That indicates that perhaps he had something really explosive to drop, or is he is worried that he has already violated so many rules, he wants to get something in exchange . We dont know that so far. The Senate Intelligence committee seems to have pushed back on his offer for unity, and is not ready to entertain it. It could take months for that to pan out. Thats something to look forward to. Thank you all very much for being with us on dateline this week. Thats it for dateline london for this week. Were back next week at the same time. You can, of course, comment on the programme on twitter at bbcdateline. Thank you for watching. Goodbye. It is very nice out there today. Pretty much sunny across most of the uk. A couple of showers around eastern parts of the country, not like yesterday. We have Thunder And Lightning in places. Today, a few spots of rain for the eastern areas, but there will be sunny spells as well. Overall, a fine day. This is what it looks like at around three oclock in the afternoon, so if you are heading off to the south coast, clear skies with light winds. It should feel pleasantly warm. Temperatures arent spectacularly high, we are talking 12, 13. A little bit warmer inland. Wherever you are today and you are in the sun, it will feel pleasant. Just to the very far north west of us the weather is starting to turn. The weather is starting to turn. The Weather Front will upset the weather across Western Parts of the uk tomorrow, but not as far as this evening and tonight is concerned. Clear whether water turn for across some of these eastern and southern areas, but the majority of the country will have a clear night. The High Pressure that is with asked now slips away a little bit towards germany the and we in turn see a low pressure moving in with this Weather Front that will bring wet weather towards Northern Ireland, Western Parts of scotland and then eventually in the afternoon to some of these other Western Parts of the uk. Eastern areas spain dry throughout the day and central britain as well. The Weather Front is moving so slowly. It will bring a few spots of rain towards western areas. Could be quite what in Northern Ireland. Tuesday, Early Morning the Weather Front will push through. There could be spots of rain throughout the day, but High Pressure is the story of the week ahead. 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